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Saints 7 @ Panthers 30 : Immediate Reaction

This game was awful and miserable I am completely uninspired so this will be pretty short.

  • This was definitely the worst loss of the season. Unlile the Saints other losses, this game was a blowout.
  • The Saints just came out flat. Not sure whether its being on the road or what but they definitely don't seem to have the same intensity they do at home.
  • Bobby McCray finally came out of his shell today and notched 6 tackles after only 3 for the entire season.
  • Mehlhaff was perfect on the day.
  • Turnovers were the key in this game. The turning point of this game was Shockey's fumble. It was all downhill from there. The Saints have started a new turnover streak.
  • Drew Brees did  not look like this normal self today. Dropped balls and missed routes by his receivers didn't help either.
  • The offensive line was sub-par in their pass blocking today. Drew was forced to scramble and make quite a few throws under duress. This was also a large factor in the below average passing game. Julius Peppers had a very good all around game.
  • On the other side of the ball the defense didn't do a great job getting pressure on Delhomme.
  • Colston was obviously not really ready to go. I believe he had two drops, at least one of which would normally have been a catch.
  • Both Shockey and Colston may have affected the rhythm of the offense. Normally Drew indifferently spreads the ball around to whoever is open but it seemed like he was forcing some passes to a not 100% tandem of Shockey and Colston.
  • Maybe it was better run blocking but Reggie was actually getting nice chunks of yards on the ground. It's only fitting that during the same game Reggie seems to finally be getting it in the running game he injures his knee.
  • Everyone will be talking about the 3rd and one play that went to Reggie Bush on the pitch. Perhaps Payton was going with Bush because he was in a good rhythm at the time but really that is a Deuce situation.
  • I will spare you the "football is a game of inches" diatribe in regards to the two 4th down conversions. 
  • The running game in general was actually very efficient. Bush, McAllister and Stecker had rush averages of 6.1, 5.2 and 5.0 ypc respectively. Unfortunately, they only ran the ball a total of 20 times. Stewart and Williams of the Panthers carried it a total of 35 times.
  • Tight ends Shockey and Billy Miller got some significant yardage but Devery Henderson was the only receiver to gain more than 10 yards. 
  • Jonathan Vilma yet again finds himself at the top of the list for tackles. He also had a nice pass deflection at the line.
  • Unlike weeks past the Saints had trouble stopping the run and allowed 143 yards of rushing offense.
  • Probably the most frustrating thing about being a Saints fan year is the incredible inconsistency. Day in and day out. Week in and week out. Year in and year out.

I will leave the rest of the complaining up to you guys. There was a lot of bad out there out on the field today so I expect a lot of yelling and screaming. Don't bottle it up. Let it out.

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What do you blame this loss on?
Turnovers
11 votes
Play calling/coaching
16 votes
Bad defense
0 votes
Lack of effort/focus/concentration
8 votes
Poor offensive line play
4 votes
All of the above
35 votes

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I don’t see an option for all of the above.

by Steve the fan on Oct 19, 2008 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

3 plays that steamed me

Timeout #1 by NO at 07:07.
3-1- (7:07) 25-R.Bush right end to NO 48 for -2 yards (58-T.Davis).

What? Everyone in the room said in unison “Boy that was a bad play to call”. Not kidding.

1-10-NO 18 (10:05) 28-J.Stewart right tackle for 18 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Why was there no one and I mean no one on the left side of the secondary? Coach Gibbs, you wanna take this one?

4-1-CAR 37 (2:24) 26-D.McAllister up the middle to CAR 37 for no gain (58-T.Davis). Play Challenged by NO and Upheld. (Timeout #2 at 02:14.)
Head ref: “No, no. We ALWAYS use the chain gang on the home team’s side for close plays.” BS. Why do they need 2 chain gangs?

 Bonus Burn:
4-2-CAR 3 (11:31) 27-A.Stecker up the middle to CAR 2 for 1 yard (90-J.Peppers). 4th and 2, you give it to Stecker up the middle? Really? Why not a double reverse for God’s sake? A fake punt? Bad. Very bad.

by stujo4 on Oct 19, 2008 5:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just an awful game by an underachieving group

I agree- that 3rd and one and give to reggie? I just don’t know why Deuce is overlooked so often, The play that really killed me was after halftime- the first series and we are at 3rd and 2 and we don’t give it to Deuce for the first down. I mean, it was obvious that Carolina’s priority was to not let us beat them in the air. They had good pressue on Brees and good coverage down field. Where they were vulnerable was if we called the right running play.
During the game I saw a stat on the tv- something like Payton is 0-15 when trailing after 3 quarters, Not very encouraging. Seemed like Carolina had much better game plan. Do you think they liked the matchup of Jadon David with Mushein Muhammed?

Two more issues- also- is there a defense in the nfl that is more vanilla than ours? Can’t we try being a little innovative sometime? Carolina had 2 off linemen out and we still had no pressure on the QB

by Philinwood on Oct 19, 2008 6:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

343 Yards???

I don’t think I have ever seen before where a team gains 343 yards and scores only 7 points. It’s almost impossible- it’s like going up and down the entiire field 3 and 1/2 times and only getting one score? I am scratching my head……………

by Philinwood on Oct 19, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad, Bad, Bad.

Why can’t we be the team that gets 14 points off of the other teams turnovers? I’m so fu*king sick of this sh*t. Until we get a defense that has some fu*king attitude, we aren’t gonna win sh*t.

You hit the nail on the head. I’m so damn sick if this inconsisancy. We don’t have a good team, because good teams are consistent. For the first time in 2 years, I’m starting to think that 2006 was a fluke. We are in the same spot after 7 games that we were last year. It is not looking good.

If that doesn’t make you sick, Fox showed a graphic of the next 5 weeks for the Saints and Panthers, respectively. Given the teams they play, they could be 9-2 by the time we get back to the dome. Us meanwhile…

by Hollywoo! on Oct 19, 2008 6:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WHO DAT.....

My rant

Brees looked somewhat out of sync
Colston had a couple of drops and didn’t look focused on football at all
Shockey made some great catches
           I don’t really blame him for the fumble that much, I give credit to Peppers for the play, but it was still a dumb play call
Can’t take away anything from Deuce or Reggie
Our D missed quite a few tackles when in position
I know some people have said that Gibbs hasn’t ever had playmakers on D, and that’s why it looked that way. This year, he has no excuse in my opinion. We probably will never have a D personnel group made of 11 probowlers; in fact, I don’t think anyone does, they just highlight their strengths and hide their weaknesses. (At least the good D-coordinators do)

Jason David should never be on the field, unless it’s to pick up the kicking tee. Usama has 13 times the talent, and 2 times the size as Jason David. Usama had the best training camp of all the Dbacks, but he is relegated to special teams?

I hate to speak of the draft next year, but we need a FS or WLB, 1st pick big time. I’m not giving up on the season, but I’m just saying.

The refs are overlooking a lot of calls for us this year and I think it has to do with S Payton’s comments after the Denver game.

WHO DAT

by pukenbowl on Oct 19, 2008 6:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, what is the deal with Usama Young?

How come he never gets a chance? Even when we were creaming Oakland, I can’t figure it out. we don’t have anyone who can cover Steve Smith for some reason- I think they are afraid of him.

by Philinwood on Oct 19, 2008 6:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's what's really depressing

OK, I’m as optimistic as they come, but let’s face it folks – barring some sort of miraculous (and I mean an actual miracle not just “boy that was lucky,”) – the season is over. At present there are 11 – ELEVEN – teams ahead of us in the conference with 9 games to play. If we ignore the fact that we’re 2.5 games behind the F%&*ING Falcons, we would realistically have to go 7-2 down the stretch to make the playoffs. Anybody betting on that?

OK, now to the depressing part. Assuming that we don’t make some sort of Lazarus-like run to get in the postseason dance, we’ve just wasted another year of Drew Brees. He is a superbowl QB of the type we’ve waited a generation to get and we’ve wasted the last 2 years of his greatness.

As for what to do next:

  1. fire gibbs – enough of this guy already. A little personal background. When I started at Texas, our football program was in the crapper. To give you an idea, we lost to Baylor, in Austin, 50-7 my freshman year. Yeah – that bad. That pitiful excuse of a football team beat Gibbs’ OU team (he was the head coach for some unknown reason) 4 straight years. My freshman year, we were 35-point underdogs and won. The guy was a zero. So years later, when we named him DC my first reaction was “Oh God No.” I thought he did a decent enough job his first year, but I’m done with him.
  2. Payton – well, he’s ours for a couple of years at least, and I don’t necessarily think he’s the problem, but he’s not helping. The number one thing he needs to do is fire gibbs and bring in someone with an bad attitude as DC. Maybe bump Ogeron up? Ron Rivera? My sister-in-law would be an improvement. Time for him to show the same ruthlessness with his coaches as he does with he faceless players he cuts every week.
  3. draft needs – S and LB are up there, but how about OL. My god, there must be a reason we can’t get a yard when we need it.
  4. OL Coach – I don’t know who it is, but he must suck. Can him too.

by SaintBevo on Oct 19, 2008 11:20 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

biggest issue
wasted another year of Drew Brees

After seeing Brady’s and Carson Palmer’s troubles this year, we should not take Brees for granted.

by stujo4 on Oct 20, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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