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Good or Bad, DeAngelo Hall is Not Panacea

To Hall or not to Hall? That is the question.

Doesn't get more cliche than that. It seems we find ourselves in a situation that is becoming pretty familiar to Saints fans this year: Debating whether the Saints should go after a free agent who may or may not fill a position of need.

What's that? Oh really? You want my opinion on the matter? Well then its certainly convenient that I have the front page of this blog to share my thoughts and opinions.

I say pass.

Apparently Pat Yasinskas at ESPN thinks differently. He feels the Saints should go for it. And his reasoning behind it is basically, well "Why the hell not?"

But New Orleans makes sense on a lot of levels. The Saints already have shown a willingness to go for broke this season (i.e. trading for Jeremy Shockey, bringing in Jonathan Vilma). They're 4-4 and the expectations were for a lot more. The secondary hasn't been very good.

Undoubtedly Pat is not alone and some of you out there feel that way too. Sure if the price is cheap then maybe its worth the risk but it probably won't be cheap because a few other teams are way more interested. Sure there is the possiblity that he could be a stud. But chances are it just wouldn't have that happy ending. Remember this is the Saints were talking about here.

Can we take a look at a couple of things first? Greeeeaaat (said in the style of Bill Lumbergh). Check out what the San Francisco Gate Chronicle had to say about the situation.

Hall admittedly struggled to adapt to the Raiders' style of man-coverage defense, enough so that Raiders owner Al Davis decided he'd seen enough.

Coupled with Asomugha, Hall was supposed to give the Raiders the best cornerback tandem in the NFL. Instead, Hall got hurt early with hand and ankle injuries and didn't look comfortable in press coverage after spending years in a Cover 2 defense in Atlanta.

So let's get this straight: Hall is used to Cover 2, a zone scheme. The Raiders play man-to-man so Hall struggled. The Saints play a lot of man-to-man and should try to acquire Hall. Something doesn't seem right here.

Haven't we been here before. Isn't any of this ringing a bell to you guys? Remember back in April of 2007. Lets all hop into the Wayback Machine. This is from the New Orleans Saints official website. It's an interview with Jason David right after the Saints picked him up.

NOS.com: There was recently an article that stated that cornerbacks in Cover Two schemes aren't asked to do all of the things that a cornerback is asked to do in a defense that relies on man-to-man coverage. How do you feel about that characterization?

JD: "I am excited and football is football. When you line up, it is about playing. That is overblown, in my estimation. We played a variety of different coverages, whether it was cover two, man, or zone, and I can play them all. The Saints knew that I played a variety of different roles and they did their homework. They didn't just say, 'He's a cover two guy.' They know what I can do and I am confident in my abilities."

Ummmm...yeeeaaaah (more Lumbergh). We all know how well that has turned out for us.

Plus, DeAngelo Hall's not even that good.

"Everybody pumps him up like he's Deion Sanders," Lions receiver Roy Williams said. "But he's not Deion Sanders. He's DeAngelo Hall. He's not the shutdown type of corner that everybody expects him to be."

-Roy Williams

Acquiring DeAngelo Hall halfway through the season would not be the answer to turning this season around even if he did play well. It would be like putting a Band-Aid on a shotgun wound. Of course the Saints have a need at cornerback but thats not all they need. History would also show that the Saints haven't been so fortunate in their multiple attempts to upgrade at cornerback lately. They brought in Jason David and it didn't work. Randall Gay hasn't really made much of a difference this year. Aaron Glenn hasn't been impressive either. At what point do we start to question who is really to blame? Just this week Payton admitted his faults with regards to the kicking game and he now realizes he should have just stuck with Carney. Has he learned from his mistakes? Perhaps he should just stick with what he's already got in the backfield and focus on making them better football players.

I don't think trying to snatch up every possible player who sounds good as soon as they become available is the way really good teams are created. That doesn't seem to work very well. See: Cowboys. It's risky. You know whats not risky? Producing talent from within your own organization. Getting the most out of all of your players. Drafting well. Creating the all-important yet often overlooked factor of chemistry. Those are some of the keys for a great team. Things happen - injuries, learning curves, bad chemistry, and just bad luck - that cripple weak teams created haphazardly. Teams built on solid foundations with proven systems can not only play consistently good football but endure those hardships that every teams faces throughout a season. The Saints are lacking that type of foundation.

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I think you mean "See: Raiders"

We’d be repeating the exact same mistake as the worst-run team in pro football. We don’t need new personnel—yet. What we need is a new defensive coordinator with a system that makes sense.

Isn’t it strange how proven defensive backs come to New Orleans and turn into mutts? The only one who has bucked that trend is Mike McKenzie—who is far better than everyone gives him credit. Statistically, he’s one of the best.

by MtnExile on Nov 7, 2008 6:39 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like Gay Too!

I think Randall Gay has shown good signs. If he can stay healthy I think he can break the curse as well. I don’t think we need Hall. I’m with you, we need a D-Coordinator. I have always liked MM. Last year I thinks his numbers were so good though because opponents were throwing to JD’s side 98% of the time. I think we need to sign some free agent run blockers!!!

by dmcgoey on Nov 7, 2008 7:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why sign more blockers?

Why not simply commit wholeheartedly to having a running game, and coach our present players to block better? This constant roster shuffling is little more than an attempt to cover up the coaching failures that have plagued the Saints for the past two seasons. It is becoming more and more apparent that all Payton cares about is the passing game, and that his and Loomis’ idea of correcting the Saints’ other problems is to plug in a new component and see if it will work.

by MtnExile on Nov 7, 2008 7:48 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you

But I’d still make a play for Hall v. keeping JD.

by xen-cuts on Nov 7, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just think

It’s a good gamble, albeit Hall does need someone to coach him up and deflate the ego a bit and he would be a challenge to Gibbs but I just believe that dude has some more probowl years in him and I’d love for them to be with us.

by BigTMill on Nov 7, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You may be right...in the long run

In the short run, I doubt Hall would do any better in our present system than he’s done in Oakland. It’s the system that needs to be fixed.

If we were to switch to a primarily zone defense (please God, let it be a zone blitz defense like Pittsburgh’s), Hall—and David too, for that matter—would probably do fine. In that case, he would be a good pickup. But if the new scheme included a lot of man-to-man coverage, why should we expect Hall to be any better at it in black and gold than in black and silver?

I still think our best pickup would be Marvin Lewis as defensive coordinator. I’m not holding my breath…but I am crossing my fingers.

by MtnExile on Nov 7, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From a Falcon's perspective...

I think he should be on EVERY team in the NFC South.

He’s not just “not good” he’s flat “bad.” I know, I know, you say “But, iRonin, what’s with all this big money and those Sportscenter highlights?” And that’s when I give my typical Deangelo Hall rant based on years of a.) observing his play and b.) hating every second of it.

1.) He tackles like a sissy. In an attempt to play for “Deangelo Hall’s Stat Sheet” instead of the team, he tries for a strip on the ball carrier instead of a wrapup tackle, invariably leading to 2-5 extra yards every time. It’s ridiculous. He does it all the time.
2.) He covers like a chump. In an attempt to play for “Deangelo Hall’s Stat Sheet” instead of the team, he intentionally allows the WR to get separation (how else is he going to get picks if the WR is so well covered that QB won’t throw to him? Sheesh), and he rarely watches his WR or zone, but rather watches the QB hoping to jump a route. It nets him a lot of picks and a lot of TDs given up.
3.) His attitude is awful. You look at the ’cancer’s’ of the NFL, and names come to mind, but they’re more often than not simply ‘lockerroom cancers.’ Hall is less of a ‘lockerroom cancer’ than an on-field cancer. He has plenty of personal fouls this year, and I’m sure some people still remember him single-handedly giving Carolina a march down the field last year. As a bonus though, he can also be a lockerroom cancer in the right situation.

There’s a huge myth that Deangelo Hall is a talented CB. He’s not. He’s blazing fast, and a strong desire to get picks. If that’s what you want in a CB, he’s your man. If you want a CB that prevents touchdowns and completions and extra yards, Deangelo Hall is not for you.

That said, after watching Matt Ryan being nothing more special than the next QB to punk Deangelo Hall, I’d love for the Saints to pick him up so we can do it again. He really is BAD. Not ‘decent’ not ‘elite’ but bad. Not good. But don’t take my word for it ;-)

We’ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true.

by iRonin on Nov 7, 2008 11:31 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

He signed a one year deal with the redskins…so it is no longer a topic for discussion (in coming to the Saints at least)…should be interesting to see how he does…i think he is over rated personally…

by Grumps on Nov 7, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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