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Saints 24 @ Bears 27: The Morning After

I looked out my window last night after the game and everything appeared normal. The soft blanket of snow that beautifully covered uptown New Orleans yesterday morning had melted. As quickly as it had arrived, it was gone. As much joy and excitement it brought to all of us here in the Big Easy, it was just a depressing reminder of what we don't get to enjoy down here.

Just like the Saints. 

It's a rare occurence when snow falls in New Orleans and the rest of southern Louisiana. So much so that many of us thought perhaps this could mean good things for our Saints.  The Saints never win in Chicago and it never snows in New Orleans. Maybe we've got something here. But it wasn't a sign of good or bad things to come. Rather, it was symbolic. A metaphor in the form of a weather pattern. Much like that rare flurry on the bayou, the Saints can sometimes show that flash of brilliance and greatness. But just as a light snowfall turns into rain and melts quickly on the ground never to be seen again for years, so too does any semblance of quality and consistent football from our beloved Saints. 

The rest of my notes:

 

  • Drew is now off the pace to break Dan Marino's record. Salt in an open wound. Speaking of Drew, he hasn't been his usual self as of late. 
  • I think we just have to call the whole referee situation last night as a wash. We got some good calls and we got some bad calls. It all evens out in the end. But the officiating was poor.
  • Tons of dropped balls. I was worried it was going to be a problem and it was. We should have all expected this.
  • I'm sure we'll have lots of "Fire Gary Gibbs" rhetoric this week. Deserved?
  • Same problems in the secondary. Devin Hester did a pretty good job making them look like...well...the Saints secondary. Are we going back to hating Jason David again? Maybe Roman Harper should be the focus of our spite. They're both too easy. 
  • There is nothing I can say about Pierre that I haven't said already one hundred times over. 
  • 3rd and short and 4th and short plays continue to haunt the Saints. Is it bad running, bad blocking or bad play calling? 
  • Not sure what happened with Reggie. He returned a punt even in the midst of not being used in the offense. 
  • Colston missed a catch, maybe two, but came up big on a couple of third downs and of course the touchdown. 
  • Special teams sucked. They gave up 192 yards in kick returns including the opening touchdown. 
  • Penalties were obviously also a problem. Another 97 yards. 
  • Does anyone else find it ironic that the Saints got no pressure all game and never touched Orton until the final play with two seconds remaining when the sack probably wound up costing them the win?
  • The linebackers played great. All three of them were the top three leading tacklers on the night. Vilma's fumble recovery and Fujita's pick were both crucial. Vilma almost had a pick of his own as well. 
  • Usama Young made a nice play at the goaline on a Saints punt to pin the Bears on their own 1-yard line.
  • I want to like Shockey. I really, really do. He's been pretty valuable the last few weeks. And I want to see him finally get into the end zone. But he has got to help himself. Dropping easy catches with plenty of room to run make it so hard for me to get on board the Shockey train. 

I will leave the rest of the commiserating, finger-pointing and name-calling to you guys. Go nuts. 

 

Poll
Who was the Saints player of the game?
Pierre Thomas
51 votes
Jonathan Vilma
8 votes
Marques Colston
2 votes
Scott Fujita
5 votes
Josh Bullocks
0 votes

66 votes | Poll has closed

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The Saints are closer than they have ever been before......

Let’s face it, there’s this mental thing like the Red Sox had for so many years and the Chicago Cubs still have about winning and the playoffs, etc. What I mean is with the Saints, it’s not that they can’t beat the Bears or Carolina, it’s an inferiority complex. Years and years of losing wil do that. The locker rooms and hallways and meeting rooms and workout rooms- well they don’t exactly exude this atmosphere that one would experience in Lambeau field where Vince Lombardi’s presence can still be felt. Or in San Francisco where, even when they are bad, they can reflect back on Joe Montana and the days of mutiple championships. There’s a reverence there for the accomplishments of the past. Or Giants Stadium and the tradition and history of success and many,many playoff victories. Saints fans are still trying to forget Ditka, Haslett, the bullshit “home” game in NY, Bags on Heads, Ricky Williams debacle, etc etc, but have very little true success to draw from for inspiration and confidence. When games are on the line like last night’s was, it always seems the Saints opponents “know” they can win more than the Saints “know” they can win.

It will change and this core of players can be the group that makes it happen. It’s a harder task then most teams have, NFL or otherwise. I think Drew, Vilma, Fujita, Harper, Colston, Moore, PT, Deuce (hopefully) Reggie, Miller,
Hartley, Pakulak, Ellis, Clancy, Porter, etc are the kind of guys that can make it happen. I truly believe, with some minor tweaks and better coaching, the Saints have the talent o go all the way…unfortunately just not this year.

And, truly, there needs to be better coaching. Haslett was .500, Payton’s around there. That’s not by coincidence. Hopefully Payton has learned some things and next year will do a better job. I think this year his grade would be a C or a D and you don’t win playoff games that way. You also don’t go to the playoffs with the most vanilla, unconfusing defense schemes in the league. Literally no qb’s would have any trouble figuringout what we are doing on any given play.

by Philinwood on Dec 12, 2008 6:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

This team has a pretty good core. Except Payton isn’t doing a good job—his offensive focus is often obviously wrong. Also, Deuce has got to be replaced with another powerful runner who can fall forward for yards and has break ability. We can’t carry somebody who isn’t playing. Same goes for Stecker.

I don’t know what to do about Shockey. He is OBVIOUSLY better than whoever else we have, yet he’s managed to have some drops. He and Colston are really frustrating with all their recent drop problems.

by xen-cuts on Dec 12, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you on everything but Harper

All the safeties need to be replaced. We’ve been good against the run. That is the front 7. The corners have improved. The back 2 have been atrocious. Sorry to keep beating that horse.

I have now said what I wanted to say about the situation, and I do feel much better. Weird, but true. They put us out of our misery last night, instead of dragging it on for another 3 weeks. For that I’m grateful.

Now I can go back to being a good husband and dad :)

All I want for Christmas are two new Safeties...

by Hollywoo! on Dec 12, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I cried

when they sacked him with 2 seconds left to play.

MT
Reward: Have you seen my Defensive Line? If so please contact the front office.

by MT_always on Dec 12, 2008 8:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

that

was the fastest timeout i’ve ever seen called. i believe theclock stopped before the ref’s whistle sounded.

by in the 9th on Dec 12, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

trade

Jeremy Shockey, and Reggie Bush.
Fire: Sean Payton.
Get some defense for those two prima donnas. You play in the toughest div. in football, take that from an NFC East guy. Defense first. Payton doesn’t get it.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 12, 2008 9:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Stupid

What if Shockey and Bush were both in ATL? That would TOTALLY SUCK!!! Where do all former Saints go? ATL or Tampa, sometimes Carolina.

Both of these players are fantastic. They are gamebreakers.

Payton doesn’t get it, but these two are essential to the team.

by xen-cuts on Dec 12, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely disagree…

Just use them to the best of their abilities…Shockey did have a drop last night, but was delegated often to more of a blocking role, especially helping out on the left side…other than last night, Shockey has been performing fairly well in my books…

As for Bush…back to a receiver role…little screen passes…twin set backs…he is money…

"We couldn't do diddly poo"

by Grumps on Dec 12, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

okay

stay in love with them then. But when uber-talent doesn’t translate into wins (Terrell Owens, Alex Rodriguez) sometimes you have to let go of the fantasy league mentality. The Giants got better by subtraction with Shockey, the Saints would as well.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 12, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my take. I posted this on the Post Game open thread, but I want more people to talk about this...

This is 2 years in a row the damn Bears have thrown the ball down the field in hopes of getting a PI, and it was granted and they win the game. Their two big plays were 50 yard PI’s. On the first one David was called for it. BUT AT LEAST HE WAS IN THE FUCKING VICINITY! CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE WAS THE FUCKING SAFETY??? He wasn’t even in the picture. And the last PI…on the fucking safety. Think about it people. Our wrath has been focused on the wrong positions. Sure, cornerback has had it’s issues, but its the worthless safeties on this team that have killed this season. The play for me that epitomises the play of the safeties was last week against ATL. Turner was stopped for minimal gain, when Bullocks flies in and blows the two Saints off the runner, spining him free!! I had to rewind it because I couldn’t believe my eyes. It like he was playing for the other team. It was Pathetic.

They killed it last year too. Safety needs to be the number one priority in the offseason. I feel so strongly about that, that I wouldn’t mind if Gibbs comes backif we upgrade that position!! Thats right. You read it correctly. We’re pretty damn good against the run. Its that pass that has killed us, and I can give you a list a mile long of plays that killed us that had poor safety play involved. I think that if we can get a playmaking safety in either the draft or free angency (both hopefully) that our defense will be in the top half in the league. I truly believe that.

Here’s what needs to happen:

Sign Dunta Robinson. Have you guys seen him play? That dude hits like a firecracker. He’s all of 5’11", 190, buts lays the wood down. Being from Houston, I get to see him, and I love him. Fearless. He will be a FA, and hopefully is sick of loosing.

Either go after that Giants safety, if he’s available, athen draft one of the 3 bad ass safeties that will go in the first round. Taylor Mays? Make a Trojan our first pick 3 out of 4 years.

Bottom Line: GET NEW SAFETIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I want for Christmas are two new Safeties...

by Hollywoo! on Dec 12, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

MT challenged me on this last night...

MT, your argument centered around the play of David. You’ll get no argument from me here…he is a TERRIBLE corner. But, Tracy Porter showed a lot of promise. I think Randall Gay was a great pickup. McKenzie was a great corner, and hopefully will still be good next year.

However, there IS ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IN THE SAFETY POSITION can make plays. Bullocks INT last night? Did he jump a route? Did he read the QB? No. He was given a gift. Lucky. David’s last two INT’s: He DID read the route, read the QB, and MADE A PLAY. Again, I’m not defending David, He’s bad. My point is the cornerback situation has improved this year, unlike the Safety position.

All I want for Christmas are two new Safeties...

by Hollywoo! on Dec 12, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I've brought up this before

Are the safeties playing badly—or are they doing exactly what they’ve been instructed to do?

We need better players, that’s obvious; but there’s no way we can tell what we have—and several of our players (Jason David, for instance) have played at a high level elsewhere—until we install a new defensive coordinator and a system that works. The first order of business has to be to fire Gary Gibbs.

WHO DAT!

by MtnExile on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I give you 1 Saftey
If you give me 1 CB.

I think Harper can play. See M-E’s posts on our DC for all the info. We share that view.

Porter is our #1 CB next year. MM … love him but hes getting on. I think the only reason he looks so good is noone has to fear our other side so why throw at him combined with the fact he can cover so its a nobrainer that you dont go there unless you have to.

Replace Bullocks, I still dont think the problem is all the Safeties but I cant tell. Again see M-E’s posts on our DC.

MT
Reward: Have you seen my Defensive Line? If so please contact the front office.

by MT_always on Dec 12, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Payton = crazy

Payton is once again complaining about the kicking game. WTF?! How about your 4th down call—was it any different than against ATL? And once again the saints can’t cover a BAD receiver down the field…the guy didn’t even have to catch the ball.

In the draft: safety, cornerback, defensive end. I don’t know how our tackles are doing so well but we have really stuffed the run this year. At least that’s how it seems—I don’t think we’re ranked in the top 5 on defense against the run.

I’m worried about the receiving game. Colston has looked pretty bad. Meachem faded fast but always looked good when he played. Something has to be done about that group.

And at running back we need another bruiser….somebody bigger than PT.

by xen-cuts on Dec 12, 2008 9:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Welp

I’m not going to repeat what everyone else has said about the safety’s.
I’m not going to repeat what everyone else has said about that piece of shit GIBBS.
Is it possible for our Safety’s to be this crappy or is it Gibbs’ scheme? I don’t know, but something has to be done.
I saw Meachem, Colston, Devery, and Shockey drop easy passes.
I saw Drew Brees make bad decisions and bad throws.
All of this and we were still in the Game.
I think Payton is a good coach.
That’s it.

WHO DAT

by pukenbowl on Dec 12, 2008 9:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good coach?

Or good offensive planner?

There’s no doubt that his offense is off the charts when everything is clicking. But he’s a head coach. He’s responsible for the overall picture, not just the offense. The defense is a shambles, the special teams needs to be improved (granted: he did a fantastic job finding us the right kicker and punter)—and more than anything else, the character of the team needs to change. We need to get tough, mean, and determined. Payton doesn’t do any of those—he concentrates on tricky, clever, and, apparently, lackadaisical. The culture of the team has to change; and it has to change at the top first. If Payton can’t do that, he needs to go—for all his offensive genius. This year there will be 12 teams with lower-ranked offenses in the playoffs, and one of them will win the Super Bowl. I’d be more than willing to trade razzle-dazzle for a Vince Lombardi Trophy.

WHO DAT!

by MtnExile on Dec 12, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what he is

an offensive coordinator, who needs to work for a real head coach. How many times does it have to be said that defense wins championships, and offense sells tickets, before the mad scientist Payton understands that? The Bears went to the superbowl in ‘06 with a garbage QB who no longer starts, the Ravens went with hardly an offense to talk about, The Giants won last year because they were able to win on the line and bust Brady in the mouth.
But here’s the scary part, by the time they wake up and get it and fix the Defense this offense wont be together and won’t be able to put any points on the board.

by BigTMill on Dec 12, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Future Problems

I really gave up on this season back in week 3. After blowing our 2nd straight game and with our injured player list approaching near 50% of our starters, it just seemed like this would be a season to try some new things, play some players that don’t get many reps, and build a foundation for next year with what we could learn.

Instead it seems like we really haven’t learned much or used these opportunities to grow at all.

Then on top of it all, we have the 3 quasi-suspended players. Of which only 1 is even being used, yet they’re all fighting the suspension which brings to mind another bad thought.

Now that they’ve pushed back the suspensions, should they get upheld (which is probably very likely to happen) we’ve now tainted 1/4 of next season with these suspensions since it’s unlikely this gets resolved before week 16 at this rate.

Seems like the smarter move would have been just to deal with the suspensions now, and aim to be at full strength next year.

I don’t know, just seems like the more things change, the more they stay the same.

by Juncti on Dec 12, 2008 9:57 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Shit rolls down hill

This ain’t now or never has been rocket science or brain surgery. Until Benson brings in a real Football guy at the GM level someone who can real in any rogue coach and help motivate underachieving members of a coaching staff. Our history holds true today as it did in the 60’s and 70’s. Which is to bring in one or two really good players and take what you can get with the rest and hope for the best. It’s like hey we are in a party town, the dome is right down the street from the french quarter, liquor is flowing, so win or lose, laissez le bon temps rouler, and these fans will fill the dome, continue to scream who dat and dance to the sounds of Louis Armstrong. And as pissed off as I am now, hell I know and all my boys know (who are Cowboy, Dolphin, Panther and Stealer fans) I’ll be right there again next year.
Geaux Saints. Geaux find a damn team and a coach to take us to a superbowl. Hello!!!

by BigTMill on Dec 12, 2008 11:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Granted, most of the problem lies with the Saints

…but someone needs to organize a full-city voodoo curse on Soldier Field. I’m tired of seeing our season die in Chicago year after year. I know some others are too.

My god! They've killed Stujo! Those bastards!

by MtnExile on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Especially

When the damn Bears ain’t that damn good!! They are who we thought they were!!!!!

by BigTMill on Dec 12, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but...

Reggie’s probably gonna get traded man. PT’s showing him up (although Reggie didn’t get the ball despite him actually not doing too bad with carries) and this situation reminds me a lot of the Marshall Faulk situation. Gibbs? The fool is a ripe idiot from a tree of idiots. Pick him off and throw him away!!! Payton? Someone said it before, he’s a quarterback coach but as far as head coaching goes he’s an idiot. He went for a pitch out on 4 and inches. Had it worked I’d still say he’s an idiot. Brees is the man, just under a lot of pressure. The receivers are fine. Shockey is solid and if he gets traded we’ll regret it just as much if we traded Bush. I’m hurt man…even when we went up by 3 I felt like we were going to give it up. I don’t much but I agree with Phill, we have an inferiority complex. That’s all I have to say.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Dec 12, 2008 4:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

outght to be a moratorium on posting after a loss

Bunch of babies. So the season is over. Big deal. Just like the prior 41 seasons.

I watched the game again tonight on tape. The Bears offense sucked without Forte, they should never have scored even 10 points. Their defense played with a LOT of spirit and they shook Drew up pretty well in the first half. When they shut down that 4th and inches pitch play, they ALL got up and RAN off the field celebrating. And still the Saints offense came | | that close to beating their ass. The defense couldn’t make a play to shut the Bears down on the last drive in regulation. Saints beat themselves.

The Giants win that game. Patriots too. We just need to get better and get some confidence. And a secondary. And a few other things.

by stujo4 on Dec 12, 2008 10:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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