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Hey I am MasterRWayne and I help write for www.stampedeblue.com which is the blog here for the Indianapolis Colts.

I really liked the article posted yesterday discussing that the Saints really didn't have any true defensive philosophy or identity. This, I feel, is really hurting your team. The Colts run cover 2 and cover 3. That is what we are and that is what we practice. Its not a very advanced scheme, but it works great because we know exactly the types of players we need to draft for it.  If you wanted to can read my article about the advantages of Cover 2 here...

 

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/6/18/554149/cover-2-is-the-best

 

Basically almost all of your defensive problems come from a lack of scheme and this is exemplified in Jason David. When Jason David played for the Colts he was very very good! Yeah you may think I am crazy, but trust me the guy won games for us. In fact, I remember one game four years ago where it was a high scoring game between the Colts and the Packers with the Packers driving for a game winning touchdown. Farve threw a 15 yard pass to Javon Walker and Jason David (who was a rookie) stripped the ball and recovered the fumble thus ending the game.

This just shows that Jason David can be a very good player when he is in the right system such as Cover 2. The system you guys run just has him confused out there. He doesn't know his assignments and after playing Cover 2 for so long the guy just can't play the system the Saints run.

If you want my advice you guys need to have a system and a philosophy on defense because that can make ALL the difference. Eight years ago the Colts had one of the worst defenses in league history and then Tony Dungy came and we switched to Cover 2. We made an effort to draft faster, smaller guys that fit into our system. Currently we drafted a guy named Marcus Howard at the bottom of the 5th round and he has FOUR sacks his pre-season and is amazing. The reason we got him in the 5th was because he was "small" and other teams wouldn't touch him. Its the same reason we got Bob Sanders (last years DPOY) in the 2nd round because he was "small" at 5'8.

Bottom line is you guys need a defensive system that compliments your quick strike offense and Cover 2 can do that. By scoring fast and effectively with your offense it forces teams to throw the ball in order to catch up which in turn plays into the strength of the Cover 2's speed rushers and zone coverages.

Anyways I wish you guys the best of luck. In my 3 Man keeper league this year I thought about keeping Reggie Bush, but decided instead on Larry Fitzgerald. I am just not sure if Reggie has it, but feel free to challenge me on that or on my knowledge of NFL defenses.

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MasterRW, thank you for the insight

I’m going to go read your link right now.
I’m convinced it’s the D coordinator. Gibbs has got to go. What’s wrong with a Ditka/Ryan type of rivalry in New Orleans?
And by the way, Bob Sanders is in the top3 of the biggest badasses in the NFL. That guy is fast and can hit like hell.
Thanks!

by stujo4 on Aug 18, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What we should do.

Hire MasterRWayne as our new Defensive Coordinator. Seems like he knows a lot more than Gibbs.

by jjwest11 on Aug 18, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If only I had Payton's and Gibb's email addresses...

…I’d forward your suggestions and analysis to them. “Confusion” was most definitely the appropriate word the other night not only for Jason David but for the whole Saints defense. Your analysis makes sense. I’ve heard it said that the scheme of the Gibbs system is to put his players in a position to make plays, which is great if you have a constant rotation of 11 guys with supreme talent and capability. I think we have plenty of talented players on that side of the ball, but some alterations to the system itself seems to be most needed for them to excel at their positions.

Go Saints!!!!

by satchmo26 on Aug 18, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?!?!

God this guy is great! Why are we throwing all of our money into a D line that is nowhere to be seen?

by baghead on Aug 18, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

If your system is all about The Scheme then its really not much of a system if you ask me.

I prefer the Cover 2 because it is simple, direct and makes use of all 11 guys have very clearly defined responsibilities. With the Colts nobody and I mean NOBODY throws deep on us because our pass rush is strong and our safeties are playing in the cover 2 shell. In fact, with cover 2 you don’t even need “great” corners because all they do is play in a shallow zone and then the safeties handle any receivers that go deep.

The system you guys run is really just a broke ass 4-3 defense that is trying to be a 3-4 one. It relies on blitzing LB and safeties down in the box. Consequently, your corners are left all alone and that is why Jason David and the others are getting burned. Believe I know this stuff because the 1998-2001 Colts ran the EXACT same defense that you guys are running! We got burned every single game and it got so bad that Jim Mora yelled his now famous “PLAYOFFS!” line. Bill Polian, President of Football Operations for the Colts, has even directly said, “that defensive scheme leaves you too open to the big play.”

Obviously Cover 2 would work for you guys, but a 4-3 blitz defense that the Giants and Eagles use, might also work for you. Really though you guys play indoors and you should make use of your speedy playing surface. That was another decision factor in the Colts switching to Cover 2 because we play on a speedy surface as well.

by MasterRWayne on Aug 18, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ouch

We are exposed.

by stujo4 on Aug 18, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bargain Bins

The other thing that the Colts have is that find players on the “scrap heap.” Just look at our starting defensive unit this year (which is virtually the same as it was last year when we were a top 5 unit).

DE. Dwight Freeney-1st round

DT. Ed Johnson- Undrafted

DT. Keyunta Dawson- 7th round

DE. Robert Mathis- 6th round

LB. Freddie Keiaho- 3rd round

MLB- Gary Brackett- Undrafted

LB- Tyjuan Hagler- 5th round

CB- Marlin Jackson- 1st round

CB. Kelvin Hayden- 2nd round

FS. Bob Sanders- 2nd round

SS. Antoine Bethea 6th round (pro bowler last year)

I am not posting this out to brag about my team, but rather to show you guys that you don’t need top 10 draft picks to build a really strong defensive unit. You will also notice that there is not ONE single free agent on the Colts defense. They were all drafted by the team and two very good players (Brackett and Ed Johnson) were not even drafted at all.

by MasterRWayne on Aug 18, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are we smoking something or is it Prisco??

Check out his rankings.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10938040

Keep in mind he wrote this after Saturday’s game.

by TonyChachere on Aug 19, 2008 12:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Any predictions at this point are useless...

…including any that I may have made (check out my predictions for the Texans game….Waaaay off!). It’s just guesswork . When I watch these guys on ESPN or NFL Network look into the camera with a straight and serious face telling us that this and that is going to happen and these players will be great, I just break up laughing. It’s amusing to me. Remember last season that no one gave the Giants any respect or said they could win it all until the very last minutes of the last quarter of the Super Bowl. All we heard all year is how the Patriots will dominate the league, Belichick is a genious, Tom Brady must be the second coming of Christ, etc., etc. I would probably lose interest in the NFL if it ever became as predictable as some sportswriters try to make it. These guys have to make a living somehow and these predictions are apparently a large part of what they get paid for.

Go Saints!!!!

by satchmo26 on Aug 19, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this post...

says it all. The Saints defense looks confused most of the time. The confusion keeps the talent from showing through. It looks like every single person on defense is hamstrung by indecision when the ball is snapped.

by xen-cuts on Aug 19, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2006

2006 was a weird year for the Colts defense. We had A LOT of injuries and made some personal errors when we went way too small on defense. However, by the time the playoffs came we changed two starters, got guys back who had been hurt and started mixing in more Cover 3 defense alongside our normal Cover 2 variety. The result was going from dead last against the run in the regular season to the best rushing defense in football to go along with our excellent pass rush and pass defense.

Also, remember Jason David was one of our starting CB’s during our Super Bowl win and was a big reason why we were always good against the pass.

by MasterRWayne on Aug 20, 2008 12:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe....

The goal of every player is to win the big one. Get the ring. Put your name on the “I DID it” list.
Maybe, JD has no drive left? Did it / Done it?

MT

by MT_always on Aug 20, 2008 7:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

JD had a reputation of being a very hard worker when he was in Indianapolis. When he came into the league he just wasn’t strong enough to be the CB spot in the Cover 2, but he worked at in and by his third year the guy was bigger, stronger and a much better CB.

Personally, I think JD’s confidence has been shattered. When he played for the Colts he had “swagger” and made some big plays for us.

by MasterRWayne on Aug 20, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

confidence?

I know from personal experience that a shattered confidence can really hurt performace.
It is also extemly hard to rebuild that. If he has lost faith in his own ability and that is why he cannot do the job here, then his career is proabably over. If it is simply that he cannot learn the role expected of him, we could trade him to a team that he plays the cover 2 and recieve something of value.

As to your points about our lack of a scheme are very valid, I first want to say thank you for such a constructive post on our boards. I agree that we seem to lack a focus, but I am not sure the Cover 2 is what we need. I am not sure any of the ‘named’ schemes are what we need, but I will agree that we need something.

Personally, I was hoping to see a return of something akin to the Dome Patrol. I dont recall our secondary back then as being anything heads and shoulders above anyone else, but those 4 made the defense what it was.

MT

by MT_always on Aug 20, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The current Saints' front four

seem disinterested. They mostly just stand around when the ball is snapped. If there is movement upfield, no one bothers to contain the qb from stepping up in the pocket or running for 20 yards. Considering the talent that is on the line, the Saints shouldn’t even have to blitz. They should just be able to maintain pass coverage for 4-5 seconds until the inevitable sack happens.

It seems like a total lack of effort to me.

by xen-cuts on Aug 21, 2008 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason David claims its not the scheme...

at least he’s not pointing fingers

http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/saints/27117489.html

"David doesn’t buy into the school of thought that says he was a more effective player in
Indianapolis’ scheme because he was able to play a lot of zone, or "Cover 2," defense and that he’s ill-suited for the increased amount of man-to-man coverage that New Orleans employs.

"It’s funny when people bring that up because when you look at the Indianapolis defense, if you really study football, that playoff run that we had when we won the Super Bowl, we didn’t run much Cover 2," David said. "We ran a lot of three deep and a lot of blitzing and a lot of man coverages."

by nepomo on Aug 20, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not

covering anyone either and he DEFINITELY pointed fingers and asked for safety help (after the fact) during the game. He knows what to say but it would be great if he also knew how to play football.

by xen-cuts on Aug 21, 2008 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is JD talking about that Jacksonville game in Dec 06?

When the Jags ran up 40 some points on them? I was driving to Dallas to see the Saints destroy Bill Parcells’ coaching career and listened to that game. This was also before Badass Bob Sanders came back from injury. Things changed a lot then.

by stujo4 on Aug 20, 2008 5:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Few things...

JD is right when he says the Colts ran a lot of “three deep” in their playoff run. That is because when the Colts play run oriented offenses they play Cover 3 and put Bob Sanders in the books. That was how we were able to stone Larry Johnson, Jamal Lewis and Thomas Jones throughout the playoffs. However, we did run a lot of cover 2 during the playoffs and during the regular season.

by MasterRWayne on Aug 21, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to wonder about the scheme myself

I know it’s still too early in the season to draw conclusions, but so far our defensive additions have not changed the results or the look of our defense. Last year, when we made few personnel changes, it was hard to say if it was scheme or the lack of players that was giving us problems. I’m worried that this year, the scheme will be exposed as the culprit. We have athletes, but they’re no good for us if they can’t get near the receivers. At this point, I’d be happy with a pass interference call if a Saints DB was close enough to commit the infraction.
On Jason David in particular, a whole offseason to correct mistakes seems to have been wasted. His bad habit of losing the receiver while peeking in the backfield reared its ugly head again against the Texans, which didn’t go unnoticed by the Superdome boo birds. Unfortunately, he wasn’t the only one leaving recievers wide open.

by Buddy's Ghost on Aug 23, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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