Saints Stock Market Report
With the first round of roster cuts coming up next week, each practice and game becomes ever more important to many of the players who aren't a lock to make the team. What follows is my analysis of the bubble players whose chances of making the 2008 New Orleans Saints roster or "stock" may have changed following this week's game against the Houston Texans.

Jason David You knew he'd be on this list and you knew he'd be right at the top. We're all aware of what happened this week and I don't think you need me or a financial analyst to tell you that as far as "stock" goes, this game against Houston was Black Tuesday for Jason David. Don't tell me it's just pre-season either. Every guy out there should be playing to the best of their ability and working their butt off trying to make this team. Jason David of all people! So either JD really is still a little behind the learning curve or he was just dogging it. Pick your poison. The reports that JD has been dropped down the depth chart in favor of Tracy Porter should say it all. I am going to refrain from harsh words and anger however, and I am going to give David one more game. Thats it. One more game. If he continues to look completely lost and confused out on the field against what should be the Bengals second or third team, then it's war with JD, Coach Payton, Mickey Loomis and the entire Saints organization because it's just not fair. I'm not talking about fairness to me, you or other fans, I'm talking about fairness to the other players on this team. The Saints are legitimate contenders this season and every player should be allowed the courtesy of taking comfort in knowing that they are putting the best available product out there on the field. I refuse to believe the performance of Jason David this week against Houston is the best this team can muster up. Otherwise, the Saints players may need to go all Lord of the Flies on Jason David. It frustrates me to watch a drive extended after David gives up 14 yards on 3rd and 8, so I can't imagine how his defensive teammates feel when they have to stay out there on the field even longer after working so hard just to get themselves in that 3rd and 8 position.

Aaron Glenn Glenn made one of the nicer plays of the game by the secondary in the last match-up by jumping a route and knocking away the ball. He also wasn't directly to blame for giving up big passing plays. While Glenn might not be the young shutdown corner we would all love to have, he might just be the reliable, consistent veteran that is just good enough.

Devery Henderson Certainly nothing special from Devery this week. Only two catches for a paltry 14 yards. At this point, I think Devery needs to do something extra special to make sure the coaches remember why they like him. Uh, and oh yeah, he dropped a sure catch. That is the exact opposite of what he needs to be doing.

Lance Moore Velcro like hands. Check. Special teams contribution. Check. Gritty, hard working attitude. Check. If he can solidify himself as a big play guy by creating separation, using his speed and making catches like the long one he had against the Texans, Devery Henderson might find himself looking for a new team.

Andy Alleman, Jermon Bushrod This drop is only based on the fact that they were the culprit's on quite a few penalties. Four of them to be exact between the two players, three of those false starts. It doesn't mean certain dismissal but when it's time for roster cuts and its neck and neck between you and the other guy, stupid penalties may make a difference.

Orien Harris This kid has been consistently delivering so far in the pre-season. Add the fact that fellow DT's Hollis Thomas and Brian Young are both dealing with their own individual injury problems and the fact that the team apparently decided to take a pass on "Booger" MacFarland, and he might have a good shot at making this team.

Kendrick Clancy He also looked pretty solid the other night and shares the same fortune as Orien Harris with regards to the loss/limiting of other defensive tackles on this team.

Josh Savage He and McCray were looking pretty good in the second half together, getting some pretty good pressure and showing a lot of motor. I think he's definitely solidified a spot as the fourth end for this team.
Skyler Green We saw very little from Skyler in the past game. In fact, I think the only time we did see him was on a single kick return which he brought back for 26 yards, so I don't know what the heck is going on here. Does it mean coach has seen enough of him for the time being and wants to check out other players? I certainly don't know of any injury problem.

Taylor Mehlhaff A much better performance this year from the most jacked up kicker I have ever seen. He didn't have any field goal attempts but nailed his five kickoffs to the 5, 3, 2, 3 and 5 yard lines. Couldn't quite get it into the endzone but let's hope Payton had him intentionally hold back and keep the kicks in play so that he could get a better look at special teams.

Waylon Prather The new guy boomed a kick sixty yards that was downed on the 3 yard line. Nothing is wrong with Weatherford and I don't think Prather is going to knock him out of a spot but this is about his stock and if I am being fair I think it did go up.
As always, opinions/comments/questions/angry tirades are always welcome!
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Bodlin trade!
We should trade a couple of our useless receivers for Boldin: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3543594&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
by xen-cuts on Aug 20, 2008 7:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
David, too...
and throw in Jason David on top of that. He would cover equally as well from the Cardinals organization.
by xen-cuts on Aug 20, 2008 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im all over that idea
I wouldnt be opposed to them throwing in Patten. The guys is great.. but if it would get the deal done. The guy isnt getting any younger. Can you imagine boldin, colston, shockey, meachum? We would be set with a ridiculous group for years.
by nepomo on Aug 20, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see it
Payton couldn’t get along with Joe Horn…I don’t think he’d want to take on some other team’s problem child.
Yeah, he DID lobby for the Shockey trade, but that’s because he already had a relationship with Shockey, and trusts him.
Forget Boldin…just please don’t cut Arrington. Colston, Meachum, Arrington, Shockey: that’s your All-Pro receiver corps of the future.
by MtnExile on Aug 20, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
…McKenzie was before Payton.
I’m not saying that Boldin wouldn’t be a good addition—just that I don’t think Payton will pull the trigger; and besides, with the three we already have, I’ve got no long-term worries.
by MtnExile on Aug 20, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more...
You show greater patience then me. The last game was my ‘one more’ in regard to our favorite CB.
Xen-cuts – Which useless recievers would you think the Cards would be intrested in? Henderson? I dont think they will bite on that.
MT
by MT_always on Aug 20, 2008 7:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My man Jermon
…is going nowhere. No way the Saints can do that to me. A couple of years ago, I had both him and Usama Young on my draft chart, and dang if the Saints didn’t take them both.
Besides, he really is a good lineman.
by MtnExile on Aug 20, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now,
The Arizona Cardinals may be the only team ranked below the Saints all-time (check out Cold Hard Football Facts, those Manning-hating bastards), but they’re actually improving. If Leinart pans out, they have something to build the team around. My point being that they have some leverage in trades, and won’t take the table scraps of better teams out of desperation.
Meaning that we can’t just dump off our shit players on Arizona in return for one of their all-stars just because he’s agitating. Chad Ocho Cinco himself, poster child for obnoxious trade demands, was coaxed into staying in Cincy. If a consummate narcissist can be convinced to stay on a team going down the shitter, Boldin can be convinced to stay on a team with possible playoff chances (only in a conference as shitty as the NFC West, I know).
This means that even if Arizona would trade away one of their best players, they’d be asking for a hefty fee. Do you really think the managerial staff there would see an aging, mediocre Jason David, a perennially underachieving Devery Henderson, and our other weak receivers and think, “Man, look at the hidden potential! Drew Brees can’t make these guys realize their true promise, but Kurt Warner and Matt Leinart sure can!” No; the Cardinals are going to want draft picks.
I’m already concerned about the Saints trading away their future Ricky Williams-style. The Saints are a young team, especially on the offense. With the very notable exception of Deuce McAllister, the window of opportunity is not so small for this team that we need to get desperate. Great teams are built through great drafts (e.g. the Colts), and the Saints can’t afford to forget that. So I say we ditch the Boldin idea. I don’t think he’ll be going anywhere anyway, but if he does move…well, hail to the Redskins.
Puck the Fats.
by Walter FTW on Aug 20, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Should the Saints stand pat at wide recever?
Should the Saints stand pat at wide recever?
Posted by David Gladow, NOLA.com August 20, 2008 1:11PM
Categories: NFL, Saints
AP Photo / David Kohl, FileChris Henry is back in Cincinnati, but where will some other receivers end up?
The New Orleans Saints, long rumored as a possible landing spot for controversial local product Chris Henry, dodged that bullet yesterday courtesy of this weekend’s opponent, the Cincinnati Bengals, who insanely brought the troubled wide receiver back into their fold despite cutting him four months earlier.
I sum this situation up with one word: Whew.
But with Anquan Boldin trying to claw his way out of Arizona, it reminded me that there are good options out there should the Saints want to pursue them. The question is if another wideout makes good sense for New Orleans.
Boldin, a freak of athletic talent, makes sense from the “always try to get better” philosophy of player acquisition. There aren’t many players out there better than Boldin, and there’s no doubt he’d add another powerful weapon to a Saints offense already bursting at the seams with them.
But let’s be realistic. Boldin may be a touch pricey (okay, will be extremely pricey) for a team that has a ton invested in its offense already. Boldin in New Orleans? It’s fun to think about, but it doesn’t look like a great fit.
As for other receivers, well, that murkies the waters some. For instance, is it too hard to envision a scenario in which Joe Horn makes his return to New Orleans to add some sure hands and veteran poise to a unit that sometimes lacks in those areas? Well, the “poise” part may be stretching it a bit, but the point is made … can a veteran help this team?
I say no, and here’s why:
1.) Too much invested in Robert Meachem. I know he hasn’t done it when it counts yet, but this athletic playmaker is a guy the Saints absolutely have to get a look at on gamedays. The presence of another veteran, which could stabilize the position would also likely stunt Meachem’s growth. I’d personally rather take my lumps with Meachem and see what happens … I don’t think we’ll be disappointed.
2.) WR is deeeeeeep. Let’s take promising (and injured) youngster Adrian Arrington out of the equation for the moment. The rest of this unit is pretty well locked into place. Marques Colston and David Patten have been phenomenal this preseason and are entrenched as starters. Meachem is explosive and worthy of playing time as a No. 3. Add in the special teams contributions of Lance Moore and Terrance Copper (Did you guys see that hit Copper had that kept the muffed punt ball free against Houston? It was beautiful.), and then you begin to wonder where a new addition might fit in. Sure, you need a No. 6 in this scenario, but that’s where Arrington and resident speedster Devery Henderson can potentially fit in. Adding a vet to this mix just doesn’t make sense.
3.) Dreary defense. Money and draft picks don’t grow on trees, and if the team is going to spend these valuable commodities anywhere, it should be on the side of the ball that continually gets its collective head flushed in the toilet. Many fans can’t let visions of Lito Shepherd get out of their heads (I’m pretty “meh” on the guy, but whatever) … would these fans take well to a big-name addition on the other side of the ball? More importantly, would it help the team? I’ve got to say no. If the Saints are going to throw some cash around, it would be in their best interest to do so on defense … not offense.
But maybe I’m all wet about this issue. Would fans welcome back Joe Horn? Or would Anquan Boldin prove to be a wonderful new addition? Let us know what you think.
http://blog.nola.com/gladow/2008/08/should_the_saints_stand_pat_at.html
by xen-cuts on Aug 20, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boldin in New Orleans? It’s fun to think about, but it doesn’t look like a great fit.
The guy catches the ball and can run after the catch. We have a ton of useless receivers who the coaches are scared to play and opposing defenses don’t care about.
A combo of Boldin, Shockey, Colston, Meachem would be ridiculously good.
Arrington + Henderson would be decent trade bait, too.
by xen-cuts on Aug 20, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wont happen
Arrington needs to stay and noone will pay for henderson. Arizona will not move him for just players. They will want a player back and a high (#1) draft pick.
The post you linked says it better then I could. We dont need another reciever. We need help on the Defense. Everyone knows the only way to beat us now is to score a crapload of points on us cause they KNOW we are going to do the same to them.
MT
by MT_always on Aug 20, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
80%
I just looked at the poll on that link.
80% say forget it.. stand pat on WR.
12 % say trade for him.
MT
by MT_always on Aug 20, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that poll is not helpful
The defense just needs cornerbacks and without any of those being available the next upgrade is at coordinator. Gibbs must be replaced asap.
Keeping a bunch of 4th string receivers is not as good as upgrading with Boldin. And no, I don’t think that having a mediocre special teams group is a reason to keep these guys around.
by xen-cuts on Aug 20, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
draft picks
But if we need to give up a draft pick to get him? We could use that maybe to trade / draft a CB.
Just for a second pretend we DID get him.
Whos your #1 WR?
Colston or Boldin?
That makes 3 – 5 pretty easy Patten, Meachem, Arrington.
Oh wait.. we will have to give up at least one of those 4 I would imagine.
MT
by MT_always on Aug 20, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no draft picks!
I am definitely not saying we should give a draft pick for Boldin.
Patten and Arrington are expendable in a trade. The Saints will never give up Patton (the same way they are stuck on Gibbs), but I don’t really value him and I definitely wouldn’t keep him over Boldin. We have invested too much in Meachem at this point and we need to keep him. But Arrington is a project still and he really isn’t big enough yet—I think he needs to bulk up a lot. So giving up an aging vet + a project for a proven GREAT receiver is a good deal if you ask me. I would have tried the same trade for Chad Johnson, but Cincy isn’t stupid enough to give him up for so little. Zona has a tradition of stupid.
I don’t care who they make #1 and I’m sure that Boldin won’t care either. But we need two wide-outs who can make a TD on any play. Right now we have one dependable one.
Boldin just wants to win and to feel valued by his team. He isn’t a trouble maker. He’s a great receiver who is getting the shaft on a crappy team because everyone seems to fawn over Larry Fitzgerald.
by xen-cuts on Aug 20, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see your point.
OK i can see your point.
I disagree, I think Patten is dependable, but for how many more years.
I dont think they would get rid of him for just players though. Maybe a #2 with a player. Or two picks. I dont think throwing WR at them would change that. Patten doesnt have huge value, even Saints fans dont think much of him it seems. Henderson has next to no value, since teams think he will be cut and free. Arrington is the only thing that they would maybe want there, and if he is injured are they going to bite?
Dont get me wrong. If at lunch today I see “Boldin signs with Saints” and it didnt cost us the moon, I will be happy. I just dont see it happening.
MT
by MT_always on Aug 21, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
patton
yeah, patton is a good receiver. He can still come up with the big play and has the best hands on the team next to Colston. But I assume that Zona would want some stability in their receiving corps if they gave up Boldin. So I figure the upside of Hendersen and the dependability of Patton could entice them to make a trade… I wonder how the financials would work out on that?
by xen-cuts on Aug 22, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just a little offended that you linked ‘Black Tuesday’ to the wikipedia article like we wouldn’t get it or something. Where’s the faith in the Who Dat Nation?
by Theengine on Aug 21, 2008 3:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs






















