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Saints @ Broncos: Immediate Reaction

This was painful. We knew this would be a shootout. We knew we might lose. We were all expecting heartbreak. But when we get so close to pulling out a great victory, only to fall short in the waning seconds, you can't help but feel angry and frustrated. Undoubtedly, much of the talk this week will be focused on Martin Gramatica's missed field goals but there was a lot more to this loss than just his foot. Below is my immediate response to this heartbreaker at Mile High. 

 


Final - 9.21.2008 1 2 3 4 Total
New Orleans Saints 3 16 7 6 32
Denver Broncos 14 10 10 0 34

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  • Drew Brees was just lights out. 39/48 for 421 yards and the weekly leader. It sucks because his amazing play often gets overlooked when the Saints wind up losing. He just isn't human. Without him this team would be dead in the water. 
  • Reggie Bush had another great game. No he didn't rush for over 100 yards, but he had 148 all purpose yards. The talk about him being a bust is just ludicrous. I want him on my team. 
  • Shockey had 8 catches for 75 yards. The chemisty between him and Brees is starting to heat up. Good news. 
  • Robert Meachem had another great game. 2 catches for 86 yards and the team high.
  • Lance Moore had a solid game, albeit a quiet one. He was the unsung hero of this game with 7 catches for 78 yards.
  • Both team's defenses looked porous. This was the high scoring shootout everyone expected. Everyone missed plays they could have made.
  • Randall Gay left the game with a re-injury, meaning Jason David saw some playing time. Jason David didn't get beat outright like last year but his pass interference call was ruinous. The secondary on the whole just looked bad. Though they held the dangerous Eddie Royal to only 19 yards, Brandon Marshall had a Galloway-esque performance with 155 yards on 6 catches.
  • Tackling is still piss poor. I thought that would be fixed by week three but it's still a significant problem. This team needs to get back to the basics. 
  • The run defense let up some decent sized plays but it wasn't the deciding factor. Selvin Young and Andre Hall only tallied 90 yards total between the two of them.
  • The defense got no pressure. Grant looked pretty good with the clutch safety in the end zone but no one on the line notched a sack. Will Smith seemed to be a non-factor. Where is all that money going!?
  • It seemed like the Saints offense took more shots downfield than it has been so far this season. 
  • Devery Henderson held onto the ball! 
  • The drive the Saints put together at the end of the third quarter and going into the fourth quarter was very solid. They moved the ball well on a lot of short plays and kept gaining first downs. 
  • Pierre Thomas may have gotten 2 touchdowns and helped out your fantasy team, but he didn't come through for the Saints when they needed him. Yet another key 3rd and short, like last week, that he failed to convert at the end of the game. To be fair, it didn't look like he had anywhere to go. Still, Thomas had 15 yards on 6 carries with a long of 10 yards. That means he carried the other 5 times for only 5 yards. We really miss Deuce, though I think Pierre needs more touches to get into a rhythm and to become a factor.
  • We may need to start questioning Payton's play calling. Questionable calls are  starting to become a common occurence. 
  • And finally...Gramatica picked the wrong game to start missing field goals for the Saints. I don't blame him entirely for the Saints losing the game but if I could put it another way...he didn't help us.

This is the official "vent" thread. Let it all out right here. It's okay, we know how you feel.

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Here is the roll call for today's open thread. Thanks to everyone for hanging out!

Name# of Posts
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Saintsational 60
tlsk1066 54
Steve the fan 32
dell00 25
asaint 7
MT_always 5
#23fan 3
jochexum 3
jack_ 2
Broncoman 1
nosaints8700 1
styg50 1

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How could you not?
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No way.
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Painful is right

You don’t know painful until all you have is the NFL.com feed…so you sit and sit and sit waiting for the update, for minutes as you bounce up and down in your chair, until finally you see the dry message “1-M.Gramatica 43 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right” and you feel all the bile in your body empty into your bloodstream at once.

Saintsational, you mention Payton’s play calling, but what about his game management? If the Saints had kicked the field goal at the end of the first half, instead of taking a chance on the TD, they wouldn’t have had to go for two later in the game. An extra point—a gimme—would have tied the game, and the failure at the end would simply have meant overtime, rather than defeat.

That said, what really lost this game for the Saints is: a garbage defense, and a garbage running game. I’m not sure what the problem is with the running game (although I do wonder why Deuce didn’t play), but that there IS a problem is indisputable. And why, knowing there’s a problem, do you rely on said running game to gain you a score on 4th down? Or the critical yard on 3rd?

But whatever the problem may be with the running game, I’m pretty sure now that the problem with the defense isn’t the personnel—it’s the scheme. We add players who are meant to be upgrades, and the defense looks the same as it did last year. To paraphrase Chris Rock: “There’s defensive coordinators, and there’s Gary Gibbs. And Gibbs has got to go.”

by MtnExile on Sep 21, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

running game

that there IS a problem is indisputable. And why, knowing there’s a problem, do you rely on said running game to gain you a score on 4th down? Or the critical yard on 3rd?

This is a great point. I’m not really sure why we can’t get a rushing yard when we need to, but by now we should realize it and plan accordingly. I’m generally a defender of Payton, but I did have an issue with the play calling at the goal line at the end of the second quarter. On 3rd and goal at the one (after having just been stuffed when trying to run it in on the play before) when opted to do a QB sneak. I think that if we were going to go for it on 4th (which I think Payton had already decided) you should do a play action pass there.

All that being said, Grammitica has got to make the 43 yd FG. Despite all of the issues, injuries, questionable calls, bad D, we were still in position to win. You’ve got to execute.

by SaintBevo on Sep 21, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again, I blame Payton

He has to answer to why Deuce did not get into the game! When they failed on that 3rd and 1 to keep the drive alive at the end, it was like I was in the Twilight Zone. I don’t really blame Grammatica. I just want to know why not get Deuce 10-12 carries in this game? I just sense bull-headed stubbornness from Payton here. Defenses simply don’t respect the Thomas/Bush combination in the same way they would a McAllister/Bush combination. I hope the New Orleans sports media gives him absolute hell this week until he explains this.

Go Saints!!!!

by satchmo26 on Sep 21, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a Pierre Thomas supporter, I concur

I like Thomas; I like Deuce a lot more. I think he has greater skill, greater will, and much greater experience. He would have gotten that yard, and the Saints could have provided Gramatica with a chip shot.

And I agree with the comment about stubbornness. That’s the way he comes across to me, too.

by MtnExile on Sep 21, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great game!

For being short handed, you guys put up a helluva fight. I have always enjoyed watching the Saints and have a feeling the Broncos were fortunate to play them when we did….

Good luck the rest of the season….

-TSG

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by John Bena on Sep 21, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Same Play

PT’s failed 3rd and 1 was the same play they ran in the Washington game, why

I was like damn PT is on the field, this is the play that didnt work last time, why

Then it came, why

by LatechSaint on Sep 21, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Peyton blew it

I have been a big Peyton fan but he lost the last 2 games by himself. 2 words Deuce and Meachem. Why no Deuece and Hardly any Meachem??

by Philinwood on Sep 21, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this one really pisses me off!

This game was lost long before Gramatica missed the field goal. 1st an goal from the 4 yard line, and we can’t run it in!!!? We can’t get 1 damn yard on third down!!!? PUT DEUCE IN THE GAME!!!!! I’m so f*cking pissed off. It’s the offensive line’s fault. Our backs NEVER have any daylight.

by Hollywoo! on Sep 21, 2008 10:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YEAH

What he said!

by asaint on Sep 21, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

Im so mad right now. Why even dress deuce out if you’re not going to use him on those two (1 yard line) plays and the last 3rd and 1 before the missed field goal!? As far as Im concerned, Payton lost this game for us. Gramatica didn’t save the day, but we shouldnt have even been in that position. We dont need to be relying on Gramatica to kick game winners from 43 yards. The guy is pretty good but he’s not Morten Anderson. I think we are going to loose 50% of the time in those situations. If we can get a first down on either of those two situations (1 yard line and last 3rd and 1) Gramatica either doesnt have to kick or is probably kicking somewhere around a 30 yard field goal. Its just a waste.

Hats off to Brees. That guy is incredible.

Bush is looking better and better. Considering the blocking he’s getting, no complaints here. Without Colston, he became the go-to guy and they we’re targeting him big time.

Not having colston hurt this game. If he’s there, I think we consider some play action pass to him on those goal line plays, but we dont have a big experienced reciever to put out on an island when he’s out.

Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal are a handful. Our secondary didnt look great, but those guys are pretty awesome too. They’ve beat up every other defense they’ve played.

by nepomo on Sep 22, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 3rd and 1

PT got hit 3yds BEHIND the line of scrimmage. Yeah, I still want Duece in there, but the O-line is the problem, at least on that instance. They also couldn’t get any push at the goal line. AND WHAT THE HELL were we doing there in the first place?!?! And if Duece gets 2 carries in the other game……I can think of TWO carries in particular that I’d have loved to see him in today.

Lots of people and decisions to blame for that one…….HOWEVER, a lot of different people made what we feel are mistakes and we were STILL in the game until the end

by asaint on Sep 21, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

run game wasn't that bad, just horrible when it really needed to count...

Reggie avg’d 4.0ypc but the carries were sporadic and Payton proved that he’s pass happy…maybe he’s establishing the pass to run—lol. Anyway, Reggie’ s fumble cost the team a td that taken away would’ve been a win (hypothetically). But he more than made up for it. The play calling is what gave up this game. The field goal? Hurt but, the guy has to miss sometime. Anyway, SF is next, should be Reggie’s 1st 100 game, although I’m a lil conflicted on that game…but that’s another story. Great game and shows that with a better play call here or there Saints are in line for a winning season…

by TAYDIGGA on Sep 21, 2008 11:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

field goal? Hurt but, the guy has to miss sometime.

I don’t need him to be perfect, but I do need him to make a 43 yd FGs to take the lead in the last 2-minutes. I can deal with the one at the end of the half, but you’ve got to make the game winner!!!

by SaintBevo on Sep 22, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won’t get into the how and why, but as predicted, your team gave ours all it could handle… I have had enough adrenalin and nail-biting to last me the season. Give us some cream-puffs already!
Nothing really makes a loss like that feel any better, but I really like a lot of things about the Saints… both Brees and Bush are animals. Like us, you need some defensive bodies, and perhaps something more upstairs.
Great game guys, best of luck the rest of the way. Should you make it to the play-offs, please kick the Cowboys in the teeth for me!

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Sep 21, 2008 11:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks man. you guys are quickly becoming one of the best teams in the nfl. great game. Im becoming a Cutler fan too. The guy just got pounded on by lsu in college and just kept going.

by nepomo on Sep 22, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Painful Loss Same Old Story

Yesterday was a very painful loss, the team showed a lot of heart battling back. We are a better team that Denver but it did not show up in the score. Payton called a great game except for goaline. What happened to having PT and Reggie in at the same time, a fake to one and then over the top to Shockey. Look at how many times last year the Patriots were at the goal line and ran a fake only to throw to a tight end, receiver, hell even an offensive lineman and linebacker caught a touchdown for them last year. He has to be more innovative down there because we cannot pickup that 1 yard.

That being said, we need to look at the future, shootouts are not going to get us into the playoffs no matter how fun they are to watch. The Saints have to play better on defense. We have to be able to win games 20-13 or 17-10; we will not get into the playoffs or win the NFC South playing this way on defense. We paid so much in extensions for our two defensive ends; however they go no pressure on the quarterback. If you secondary is going to get slashed like that, why don’t we blitz, the only time we got pressure was when Roman was let loose to get to Cutler.

This league is about defense, it is the reason that Carolina and Tampa Bay are 2-1. We are now last in the NFC South and San Francisco is not a pushover. Next week’s key is gong to be how the defense stops Gore.

by SpindianSaints on Sep 22, 2008 7:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Duece

Now.. i want thing perfectly clear.. i am a PT fanboy. I like what this kid can do but hes NOT DUECE!!!!!

Now.. i want thing perfectly clear.. i am a PT fanboy. I like what this kid can do but hes NOT DUECE!!!!!Put our stud in. He has shown he can get the 1 yarders time after time. PT is a runner. Bush is a runner. Duece is a Brick wall falling on you if you get in his way.

Now.. i want thing perfectly clear.. i am a PT fanboy. I like what this kid can do but hes NOT DUECE!!!!!Put our stud in. He has shown he can get the 1 yarders time after time. PT is a runner. Bush is a runner. Duece is a Brick wall falling on you if you get in his way.and someone tell me what the F*** JD was doing in the game???

MT

by MT_always on Sep 22, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Time for a tantrum

I didn’t see the post-game presser, but I am of the opinion that Payton needs to go ape-s%&! to get their attention. Rushing for 150 yards is talent, execution, etc. Not getting 1 f-ing yard with the game on the line is attitude and desire on the o-line. Find a way to get it done!

by SaintBevo on Sep 22, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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