NY Giants @ New Orleans Saints: Front Four Matchups are the Key
Make no mistake about it, the game on Sunday is the toughest test the Saints will experience at this point in the young season (Giants vs Saints coverage). Throwing out the two undefeated records for a second, this is the most complete team the Saints have faced by a significant margin. The Giants represent both the best offense and the best defense the Saints have seen, hands down. The most important matchup of Sunday's game, in my opinion, is the Saints' ability to get pressure with their front four and the Saints' ability to block the Giants' front four.
Saints front four:
With Eli Manning's ability, the Saints would be taking a big risk if they blitzed as much as they have early in the season. While they've had success doing so in their first four games, the first four quarterbacks they've faced lack the experience, quick decision making skills and accuracy of an Eli Manning. While Charles Grant and Will Smith have looked healthy and inspired of late, getting to the quarterback without the luxury of blitz help will be of utmost importance for them. I anticipate Gregg Williams asking his four man front to create more pressure this week on their own. If you look at game tape against Matt Stafford and Kevin Kolb especially, there were plays where the Saints blitzed and left their coverage on an island against receivers, potentially exposing themselves to huge pass gains. Luckily on most of those plays the accuracy of the passes thrown were way off, largely due to the amount of pressure the defense was bringing. Granted, that was a comfortable risk to take given the opposition. The difference is Eli Manning will make those throws more consistently, and can make the Saints pay for taking such risks. The duty lies on Smith, Grant, Bobby McCray, Sedrick Ellis, Anthony Hargrove and company to show they can get in Eli's face. The Giants have given up just three sacks in five games coming into New Orleans, while the Saints have generated ten sacks in four games (eight by the front four).
Saints blocking the Giant's front four:
The Giants have generated fourteen sacks in just five games, eleven of which were made by a member of their front four. Their ability to create pressure without blitzing is flat out scary, led by the devastating bookend combination of Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora. Take a look at how quarterbacks have done against them so far this season:
Jason Campbell: 19-26, 211yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 fumbles - sacked 3 times
Tony Romo: 13-29, 127yds, 1 TD, 3 INTs, - sacked 0 times
Byron Leftwich: 7-16, 22yds, O TDs, 1 INT - sacked 0 times
Matt Cassel: 15-32, 127yds, 2 TDs, 0 INT, 3 fumbles - sacked 5 times
JaMarcus Russell: 8-13, 100 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 3 fumbles - sacked 6 times
Those performances aren't just bad, they're flat out embarassing. As evidence by Romo and Leftwich's numbers, even when these quarterbacks are getting the ball out quick enough, they're still performing terribly. Granted none of these guys are Drew Brees, but it is worth noting how badly they've all played. The Saints' offensive line has given up four sacks in four games, but this game they'll have a replacement left tackle going up against the NFL's finest. Whether that's Jermon Bushrod or Zach Strief, they better be ready to play the game of their life and Brees better be ready to get the ball out in a hurry.
The matchups in these areas are about as tough as it gets. When the Saints are on defense, the home crowd's influence will need to be the x factor that can help them. When the Saints are on offense, I believe the key ingredients to success are threefold: the performance of the Saints at left tackle, Reggie Bush and Jeremy Shockey. Bush and Shockey will both offer Brees the most dangerous short passing checkdown options. When Brees wants to get rid of the ball in a hurry, these two players will be available and targeted often. Expect both of these guys to get many opportunities as Brees won't always have the time to attack the perimeter. We'll see if they can deliver when called upon. Sidenote: Bush and Shockey are killer fantasy plays this week, ESPECIALLY in leagues where you get points for receptions.
So it all boils down to getting pressure with our front four, and limiting their front four's pressure. Sounds simple but much easier said than done. So what are your thoughts? Do you guys think Smith and Grant have turned a corner and can have big games this weekend when the Saints need them the most? Do you think Strief/Bushrod/Stinchcomb can realistically slow down Tuck/Umenyiora?
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The best passing game against a defense like this...
…is a good rushing game.
The Giants have been taken to school against the run, they’re ranked 15th, and against the “rouges gallery” of some pretty iffy “football teams” like Washington (25th in rushing), Tampa (26th in rushing), KC (24th in rushing), and Oakland (28th in rushing). When they played a team that can actually run the ball – Dallas, #3 rushing offense, right behind us! – they got hammered for 251 yards.
If Bell/Thomas/Bush have success against them, if the o-line can give them holes to run through, it will put the front four on their heels, and then the passing game will be more effective, if they need it.
The only reason they won the game against Dallas was because of Romo being completely ineffective (13 – 29, 3 INT, 0 TD) in the passing game. Drew Brees is NOT Tony Romo. If he gets any time at all he will be effective, heck, he’ll probably slice and dice the vaunted Giants passing D if the running game puts pressure on the Giants D.
Understand, I’m not saying it WILL work, just that if it does, if we start seeing the Saints racking up 5 yards per carry in the 2nd quarter, count on them starting to go after the passing game, and being effective doing so.
It is so nice to see this balance in the offense!
On defense, the best weapon to contain the Giants is the Saints offense getting up early again, and forcing them to play catchup. There is no question that the defense in NOLA has improved by 1000%, the players are more effective, the schemes are actually WORKING. However, you also must keep in mind that the offense has given them the “hill” to work from, and it’s always easier to defend the high ground (having more points).
My thoughts here are this: If the Saints can open a quick lead, get up by a touchdown early, the offense will be able to concentrate on the running attack and wear down the Giants D. On the other side, getting the early lead will allow the defense to defend the “high ground”, and wait for the Giants to make a mistake that they can take advantage of. IF this happens, this is the Saints game to win.
If it doesn’t, we will find out just how good they are. Eventually it will occur, they will need to erase an opponent’s lead, and we will see what the Saints are made of.
Either way, I’m picking the boys in black & gold in this one. If it’s scenario #1 (Saints get the early lead), Saints 31, Giants 17; if it’s scenario #2 Saints 24, Giants 21
Irony: An atheist Saints fan.
by GSO Saints Fan on Oct 16, 2009 6:41 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Whoops!
Just caught an error: Romo had ONE TD pass against the Giants, not none.
Irony: An atheist Saints fan.
by GSO Saints Fan on Oct 16, 2009 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked your writeup
not much to add so I rec’d you.
by xen-cuts on Oct 16, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more
The only things I would add is that I don’t think the turnovers will come from picks this week. Maybe we can get Eli for one INT (maybe). I do however think we can get a few fumbles.
And let’s not forget about special teams. THAT may be the deciding factor.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 16, 2009 11:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What jumps out at me here is this:
those 5 QBs are not in the Top tier of the NFL. Most analysts would put Brees, P. Manning, Brady , Favre and maybe E Manning in the top tier. Possibly Mc Nabb, although he mostly seems to be considered in that Second tier with E Manning , Rivers, C. Palmer,Flacco, Roethlesberger, Ryan and maybe some others (Cutler??) (DelHomme on non- meltdown days) (Romo used to be there but probably not now.) . Those five QBs are really from the next tier down (3rd tier) which includes a whole bunch of guys and is really quite different than that top tier. They are mostly inexperienced and inconsistent, unimpressive QBs who have good days occasionally and can be rattled a lot easier than the top tier guys who show much more consistency and seem to read defenses much better. Any one of those five QBs could be a non starter later this season or next season.
"Indecision may or may not be my biggest problem" - Jimmy Buffett
by Philinwood on Oct 16, 2009 7:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I put Hasselbeck in that second tier. I’d take him ahead of Eli and Delhomme any day. Providing he’s healthy, obviously. Rodgers and Warner belong there, too. Rivers is above all of those guys. Approaching elite, if not already there, imo. Flacco’s coming on, as is Orton, but I still have those guys down in the Favre/Schaub/Pennington (sometimes Delhomme/Bulger) range. Favre still plays up to tier 2 standards quite often, though. He and Warner remind me of Chandler and Gannon a few years back. They make you want to take bets on whose Energizer battery is going to run out first.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 16, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Brees versus other qb's
but trying to rank the league’s qb’s is rough! Mostly I dislike Jamarcus, whoever is in KC, Tampa, Campell, Warner, anyone on the Rams, and whoever is in SF. After that everyone is pretty good.
by xen-cuts on Oct 16, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mostly agree, except
Favre is a Hall of Famer who has won a Super Bowl on a now- undefeated team. So, IMO right now, that puts him in Tier one. I guess Warner would be there in Tier 2, I honestly don’t know what to think about Schaub. Seem’s the NFL doesn’t really take him seriously right now, I guess time will tell. But Pennington ‘s career might be over. He’s Tier 0 right now. It would be a tough choice taking Hasselbeck over Eli, Manning has won a SB and Hasselbeck always seems to be on a team that is not a true contender- maybe not his fault, but still…Warner got to SB on a team that “wasn’t considered a true contender…” Delhomme is running on empty IMO, but has lots of money….Rogers looks immensely talented- true Tier 1, but can he survive??
"Indecision may or may not be my biggest problem" - Jimmy Buffett
by Philinwood on Oct 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hasselbeck is injury prone.
Now way you can take him over Eli who has the third most consecutive starts in the NFL behind Favre and Peyton.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 17, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO way*
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 17, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I should also say that
anyone of those 2nd tier guys could be in the 1st tier- it is quite subjective and could change week to week, but those 3rd tier guys just aren’t in the top few of the NFL.
"Indecision may or may not be my biggest problem" - Jimmy Buffett
by Philinwood on Oct 16, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SORRY ARCHIE
I know you will be there to pull for your son and I do not blame you I would do the same thing with my son But sorry Archie Saints 31 Giants 14 Sean Payton has Giants number 2006 30 to 7 Saints only thing that has change is Game in New Orleans and Giants have a long trip back home….
by bigbaddon on Oct 16, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you India thank you terror thank you punc tu a tion mark....
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 16, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
careful
thats big bad don youre talking to didnt you know
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 16, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF . . .
is wrong with our education system? It’s pretty damn sad when people taking English as a second language have a better grasp of it than most Americans. I’m with you, though, reading some of the comments on here can be downright painful.
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 17, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The front four
Actually, I don’t think our DEs will be the most important part of our front four. With Eli’s plantar injury able to be aggrevated at any time, I think a strong push up the middle is more important. Make him escape out the back of the pocket. Or at least take a few more steps back. We know he has never really been a scrambler although he does adjust well sliding the pocket. The more we make him move his feet, the better off we’ll be.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 16, 2009 11:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree with GSO Saints Fan
Last year, I would say this game would be a loss. I would have very little hope that the Saints would be able to pull this one out. Reasons being that we had no ground game, and our D was terrible. I am more than hopeful though this year that the Saints will get it done. Our ground game seems to have improved completely. We have not one, not two, but three hard running backs in Thomas, Bell, and Hamilton. Bush is a strong back in his own way as well and I feel will be a big weapon to use if he is used properly. So, 4 very good backs to use in this game although I can’t see Payton having the four active for this game. But as I said, Thomas, Bell, and Bush alone will keep our ground game effective to say the least. With an aggressive front four of the Giants D, who obviously do a good job of pressuring the QB and getting to them; having a good rushing attack will certainly affect their play. May even cause them to pull back a bit forcing them to play the run which will take pressure of Drew. And if they bring up linebackers to assist in the run or help add pressure, Drew should be able to exploit this tactic which will create big opportunities for Shockey, Colston inside, and Moore inside, as well as for Bush in the screen and short yardage throws. And I think this will open the downfield play to the extent that the Saints will see more man coverage on our speedy receivers such as Henderson and Meacham. Smith and Grant seem to have found new life and I think they will be hungry in this one. Hargrove is a beast and we all know he will not quit. The rest of our D has seemed to improve well beyond our expectations so I think they will do their part to stop the Giants offense. I can honestly say that I am very hopeful in this one and feel that we have the tools and ability to win this game.
by narco301 on Oct 16, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
GSO did a good job of adding
onto what you already said. The Giants, they’ll find their way to the QB once or twice at the very least. What I’ve noticed, is that when the Giant’s DEs get to the QB, they cause fumbles. I don’t know if you guys notice it or not but Brees does not have the best ball security in the world unless he gets to see the hit coming. I think another key to add on to the front four is that when they get to Brees, Brees holding onto the ball. That’s something that he really really needs to work on. As good as he is, I don’t like his ball security, especially when he gets lots of time.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Oct 16, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say yes
I say teams can’t get to us when its just 4 man rush our lines uasally hold those other teams must blitz to take out our front five.We one this last time we faced this same line although we had LT granted but we beat them.and best there 15 against the run where #2 that how we beat them last time deuce and bush thats their weakness then and now and we will expoit them with one of our backs and shockey will do the rest
by darshiva420 on Oct 16, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
another reason
is look at sean p.record against the north teams.only the lucky ass redskins give payton trouble.he has those coaches # and GW has the offences # they know how these teams works and how to beat them and bad.
by darshiva420 on Oct 16, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm really digging the breakdown by the opposing team's fanpage cheif...
when does that happen? Dave you do a good job of asking them questions!
by xen-cuts on Oct 16, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
two times the giants may render brees
punch drunk and with out bail. i think he’d be safer all alone.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Oct 16, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Dude, what is with you and the Stone Temple Pilots fixation?
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 17, 2009 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just figured the lead singer for a stine temple pirates cover band
might appreciate it some STP references in the comments section of his blog posts.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Oct 17, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if "stine temple pilots" is the name of the cover band, I'm liking it, lol...
by xen-cuts on Oct 17, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually that was a typo
the band is called ‘stone temple pirates’.
totally LOL tho, right???
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
by kendynamo on Oct 17, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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