The Beat-Down, Part 5
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 5:06 PM CDT
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This morning, I decided To hell with it...I'm going to SEE this game. So I bit the bullet and went to a local sports bar, prepared to sit through three hours of cigarette smoke and obnoxious drunks in order to get my Saints fix. In the end, it was more like spending the afternoon at the Prytania, watching a double bill of The Professional and Clueless.
What can I say? Other than, "Never bet against Drew Brees after two sub-par weeks." If there's a definition of "superhuman" in the dictionary, the first entry would say "See under: Drew Brees." The second would say: "See under: Marques Colston." And the third would say: See under: "oh, f#%$ it, just look up 'New Orleans Saints.'"
In all seriousness—and at the risk of committing the same cockiness I called a Giants fan out for—this may be one of the best teams I've ever seen. So far, they look 49ers good. They look Patriots good. Their offense is unstoppable, and their defense plays like hungry wolves. The game should never have been this close, but for a bullshit call on Vilma and a garbage-time touchdown. The only thing that kept New York in the game during the first half was the kick return prowess of Domenik Hixon. Other than that, to quote Antonio Pierce after the Giants' game against Oakland: "it was like a scrimmage." That's how much the Saints dominated. (And for the Giants fans who may be reading this, please understand: I am as amazed by it all as you must be. Just in a much happier way.)
Check this out: Pierre Thomas had a 4.8 rushing average. Colston caught 8 passes for 166 yards. (Who was covering him? Anybody? Anybody? Beuller?) And Drew Brees...I predicted he'd have a passer rating above 90, say somewhere around 95.9. Instead, that's how much higher than Eli's his rating was. People are going to start saying "Brady is playing like Drew Brees today."
And the defense? They kept the Giants befuddled and bewildered and behind the entire length of the game. Though the stats won't show it, Greer and Porter were amazing. They may be the best tandem of cornerbacks in the league. (Yes, I said that. The best. In the league. Cornerbacks.) Roman Harper played lights out. And even though they rarely got to Eli, the pressure on almost every pass play looked like a jailbreak. Gregg Williams said when he came to New Orleans that he wasn't a savior. Well, saviors apparently lie like rugs.
Here, in no particular order, are my still starry-eyed observations on this fantastic win:
• Reggie was kind of quiet today, but had a respectable game. One bad loss on a running play; other than that, he ran well: one nifty touchdown, and an impressively tough run up the middle for a first.
• Mike Bell didn't rush for all that much; but he runs harder than just about any running back I've ever seen. I can't recall any other rusher who leads with his head so much. He looked like a bighorn sheep on every play.
• If Colston wasn't The Man, Lance Moore would be. He was awesome in the first drive.
• Drew Brees was hitting on all cylinders today, including the one labeled "luck." Several of his passes, especially early, looked forced into good coverage. But they were caught nevertheless.
• The officiating wasn't great, wasn't terrible. I predicted Darren Sharper would have an interception, and I maintain I was right, because the roughing the passer call against Vilma was a perfectly clean hit. But it evened out in the end: for instance, Roman Harper absolutely mugged Hakeem Nicks and wasn't called for it. And I didn't see any interference against Colston in the second quarter.
• Courtney Roby is no better a return man than Pierre Thomas was. Our kick return and punt return units have been the weakest parts of the team by far this year.
• Tom Brady threw five TD passes in one quarter against Tennessee. The Saints probably won't even lead the sports news tonight.
Nevertheless...Drew Brees is a bawcock, and a heart of gold, a lad of life, an imp of fame, of parents good, of fist most valiant. I kiss his dirty shoe.
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Harp and Sharp were on their game
Good pass rush on Manning
Nice balanced running attack
Brees used all his weapons
by WarWolf on Oct 18, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Something I forgot to add
With three minutes left, down by three TDs, and facing the Saints’ scrubs, the Giants tried an onside kick. I couldn’t decide whether that was courageous, or just chickenshit. Can’t you lose graciously? And then, with under a minute left, they’re STILL chunking the ball downfield, hoping for another garbage score. The game ended in a sack (go Remi!), as it should have.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and how could I have forgotten this?
…we wore gold pants. So of course we won.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gold Pants
Right on. I’ll bet we won’t see the black pants or the “Vietcong Jammies” look this season. Payton knows about the mystical powers of the gold pants.
Four hours later and I’m still excited about this game! I need something to bring me down off of this high. Ah, screw it! I’ll gladly enjoy it for the rest of the week.
Beware Miami! They are much better than their record and will have had two weeks to prepare. I’m sure the possibility of a trap game in Miami will be the topic of discussion this week.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! This feels like the year! The year we finally make it to the big game! A Black and Gold Who Dat year!
"He has got a good ol' boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol' boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,"--Gregg Williams describing Bill Johnson. The D WILL ROCK THIS YEAR!
by satchmo26 on Oct 18, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the NFL
You don’t just pack it in and go home. I would expect the Saints to do the same in that situation.
by Branta on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was going to be Happy
with a 2 min. kneel down by Brees, but he gets the Hook w/ 5-6 min. left. awesome!
What a feeling, As for the Giants’ desperation, well that’s Commandant Coughlin……….
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unreal
What a game. Had to vote for Lance, he was everywhere. 5-0 baby 5-0.
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, hot damn.
This was a fine victory to wake up to! I’ll probably have to watch ESPN all day to get the highlights!
"With Chance on first, and Evers on third,
Great things from the Cubs will soon be heard."
by LeSaboteur on Oct 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Offensive line?
The offensive line should really be included in this poll. I would have voted for them, but I voted for Colston.
by jeremy_smith on Oct 18, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You're right
…but who to single out? They were ALL great.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
that the O-line is doing so well in pass protection without Jammal Brown. I’m sure a lot of it has to do with Brees having that quick release, but man, they stopped supposedly the best D-line in the NFL from touching Brees.
by theaxeeffect4721 on Oct 18, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm starting to feel
that Bushrod could end up like Carl Nicks, as in taking the starting job. He’s been a friggin beast!
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Time
O-Line play. They played out of their heads, couple of hurries, but no sacks, v.s. tough D-Line and we’re minus a Pro-Bowl LT. a Vote from me also, beers and wings on Drew !
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Special teams
Did you guys think this was a 2 week bye?
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was Jenkins playing today?
I didn’t see him on the field at all.
by HB-NOLA on Oct 18, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him in on a few kick returns...
wasn’t really a factor
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 18, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody
on special teams was. Bad coverage on punts and kickoff returns.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our only weak spot
Morestead was putting in the end zone v Jets wonder what was up w/that?
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think at NYJ he had the wind at his back sometimes...
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 20, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome maintenance
had wrong end-zone exits open,creating a vacuum,kicking left to right (open Girod St exit) R to L (Poydras St. exit) LOL….
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 20, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops I was thinking of the Buffalo game - d'oh! I need some brain maintenance
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 21, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horrendous
definitely an aspect of the team that could use some extra work this week.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 20, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t happy about the roughing the passer call, but I understand why it was called. It was helmet-to-helmet contact. I’m reasonably certain it wasn’t intentional, but it was illegal. And Vilma should know better (should? try does). Which really sucks for Sharper because he didn’t do anything wrong and he lost his defensive TD.
Oh well, we won. And we won BIG. Now if I could only watch these games from the comfort of my own (or even a friends) home instead of a stupid bar. Come on complex get rid of that stupid tree in the way of my satellite line-of-sight!
by FriarBob on Oct 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see helmet contact
even on a big screen. But I only got to see it replayed once, and that wasn’t what I was looking for. At the time, it looked like a clean hit to me.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought more
face mask in chest, wasn’t helmet-to-helmet, ref’s called it LATE but Vilma couldn’t pull up tough penalty,Sharper was all over it , Eli was just throwing to spot and WR ran different route?
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, on that roughing the passer, Aikman said that Vilma lowered his helmet on the hit
BUT ACTUALLY, Vilma is much shorter than Eli, and if he had dropped his helmet, he would have hit Eli in the stomach instead of the facemask.
It was helmet to helmet, but very weak helmet to helmet as far as force of the blow goes…
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 18, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The announcing was the one aspect of this game that I have no clue about…with a dozen NFL games on simultaneously, there was no sound for this one. Was Aikman insufferable?
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When ISN'T Fakeman insufferable?
…sadly, they had the sound up where I was watching the game.
Can we petition Fox to NEVER AGAIN allow him to call a Saints game? Please.
:-P
Irony: An atheist Saints fan.
by GSO Saints Fan on Oct 18, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god yes
Particularly on the fumble recovery at the end of the second half, when Aikman swore that was a fumble, apparently forgetting the odd notion that “fumbles” caused by contact with the ground are not fumbles.
Really, they kept talking about the Giants and how disappointing this was for them, even though they had feasted on weaker teams. They gave the Saints some credit, but it was clearly geared towards a majority Giants fans broadcast.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Oct 18, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider yourself lucky.
I can’t stand listening to him. I hardly have a voice after yelling my head off at my son’s game, yelling my head off at this game, and screaming obscenities at Aikman.
by SaintsFan-KS on Oct 18, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman
He’s just a typical cowgirl
by ReggieVilma on Oct 19, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think it was so much
helmet to helmet. I thought it was more because he led with his helmet. If he would’ve hit him with his shoulder instead of his helmet i think it’s a no call.
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by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he hit him straight up. Eli crouched away from it in the motion of the throw, and their heads ended making incidental contact. If you think about the motion of a body performing a face-to-face tackle, I don’t know how you’re supposed to subtract your head from the equation entirely, without unduly risking injury to yourself. The refs are slowly chipping away at the viability of the blitz. Or pretty much anything to do with touching the qb. Either way, the refs made up for it with the ridiculous PI call for Colston. It’d be nice to play a game without either call.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took that as a make up call, also. In no way was that ball catchable.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 19, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may have caught it if he stayed in stride, but Webster’s contact with Colston was as incidental as Vilma’s helmet with Manning’s. Seriously, how do you avoid hitting the qb when you’re already flying at him, and he still has the ball when you take flight? Even when(if) Brees ever benefits from a “Brady Rule” call, I’ll still think it sucks the life out of the game of football. It’s gonna take a while for coaches to figure out how to coach defenders to tackle without leaving their head out in front of them.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether he had the ball or not, helmet-to-helmet contact would have drawn 15. I think it’s ticky-tack at times too. Just not sure how else you would go about enforcing something like that, without a zero tolerance approach. Name a half dozen WRs/CBs that have had their careers cut short by the incidental cleat tangling and I’ll agree that it’s an apples-to-apples comparison you’re making.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 20, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying they’re the same, I’m saying they had what I would consider a reasonable template for helmet-to-helmet enforcement before this year. It’s a dangerous aspect of the game, and it should be discouraged via penalty, but it no longer appears that intent factors into it at all. While I understand that’s a hard thing to build a set of black and white rules around, the zero tolerance enforcement only serves to change momentum based solely on an unavoidable symptom of one human tackling another. And, worst of all, it gives a special dispensation of protection to the most targeted man on the field. That may sound like a wise idea, but strict, black and white enforcement of it has a very strong chance of changing the viability of what I would consider an immutable tenet of football: pressuring the quarterback is a good thing for defense to do.
I think the Saints have made it through maybe one game this year without helping sustain an opponent drive by way of incidental contact with the qb. Against Buffalo, a Hargrove open-field tackle on Edwards past the line of scrimmage was considered spearing. Had Edwards been Fred Jackson, he would have taken the tackle normally, and nothing would come of it. Because it was a qb, he ends up taking the hit awkwardly, putting himself in danger, and Hargrove gets hit with a 15 yard personal foul. Why not just lean dangerously into a tackle, as a qb, all the time? As long as you manage not to get your neck broken, you can nearly guarantee a first down on any scramble by way of your open-field running ineptitude, paired with the high ratings value of your arm.
I don’t want anyone to sustain any kind of spinal injury, but a game that involves tackling is going to have its dangers. It cannot be legislated out. It’s like holding: two helmets will touch on every down played in football. At the very least, a helmet will stiffly contact some vulnerable part of a body. I personally don’t think it should be a standard of the game that merely pressuring a qb into a bad pass should result in a nearly guaranteed first down on penalty, while a sack(a difference usually of half a second) is a great defensive play. Especially if the defender is clearly not trying simply to hurt the qb. They should just switch to flag football rules, if they really want to protect the qb so much.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 20, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Why not just lean dangerously into a tackle, as a qb, all the time?”
Other than protecting your head, neck, spine and various other internal shatterables, I suppose you have a point. Of course, I say the same thing about the tuck rule. If you sense yourself being sacked, why not execute a pump, then conveniently drop the ball? By rule, that’s an incomplete pass. Which raises the question, once the tuck rule is enforced, why doesn’t a subsequent flag for intentional grounding follow it? Just because it didn’t LOOK intentional, by the Webster’s definition of the word? Yet outside of the pocket, intent doesn’t matter whatsoever. As long as it crosses the line of scrimmage, it’s an legal incomplete pass. If the QB isn’t being pressured, it doesn’t even have to cross the line. Why? Using logic, it would seem that the mere differentiation between those two scenarios would indicate that the pressure is the determining factor; the same exact factor when he’s within the pocket and the crux to the entire grounding rule itself!! There are at least a dozen rules that are riddled with implausible loopholes like that. I gave up trying to make sense of them long ago. All I do now is attempt to understand the letter of the law and nod acceptingly whenever one is broken. I’d personally rather it make no sense and enforced at black and white than be open to interpretation on a play-by-play basis. At least that way, I know what to expect.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 20, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inexplicable insinuation that I don’t understand the dangers of being hit in the head notwithstanding, I’ll say fair enough. This isn’t the only stupid rule in the books. It’s not even the only stupid rule in the books courtesy of Tom Terrific. But it is the newest stupid rule.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 20, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t assuming that you didn’t understand the dangers, just saying that the dangers do their part as a deterrent in keeping the advantage seekers in check. If faking a tuck carried the bonus risk of someone’s arm coming unhinged, if “inadvertent” wink wink nudge nudge downfield footsie caused Kathy Bates level ankle injuries … I dunno, maybe less players would be looking to outfox the foxes … er, zebras.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 20, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the "seven players scored TDs" thing has been covered, but still...
Bell
Shockey
Meachem
Moore
Bush
Colston
Evans
Wow…
*bump* U! *set* of! *SPIKE* OOOOOOOOO!
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Also, the Bayou Classic pwns whatever your I-AA does.
by AllSaintsDay on Oct 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One minor question I have is this...
On that play when Sharper went for the pick and Manningham pulled it away for the TD, do we need to worry about this aspect? I know as DBs, there is always high risk-reward, on being aggressive, but I’m just wondering what would have happened had he gone for the hit and tried to knock the ball away instead.
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 18, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was a hair away from an interception
I’ve seldom seen it that close. I wouldn’t worry about it…let Sharper be Sharper.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I'm thinking, too
If he tries to curb his instincts, he might miss some picks
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 18, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game awareness
With a big lead (28-10 at that point), he and the rest of the D are going to be a lot more aggressive. If it was a close game, I’m sure he would have made the play to stop the TD.
by HB-NOLA on Oct 18, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know what to think
about that play. I don’t think it was being over agressive really though. The ball was there and he was there. Manningham just made a very good play on that one. He had too much momentum for Sharper to pull it out and I doubt he breaks it up b/c the ball seemed to hit him on the body. I say let him go for it
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by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ratio
I know this is a little heavy but its kind of like would you rather have 5 picks per 1 allowed TD, or say 10 passes defensed per 1 TD allowed
by ReggieVilma on Oct 19, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that sharper should go into the hall of fame as a saint. i love football
I see what you got...Lets rock - Al Bundy
by knucklesmalone on Oct 19, 2009 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great all-around game for the SAINTS
NICE WIN
BLESS YOU BOYS
FAITH HOPE & BREES
PAYTON’s PLACE
BRING ON THE DOLPHINS
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 18, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it's not a big deal
But on that 4th and goal, I could have sworn Pierre gotten in. I didn’t see anywhere else for the ball to have gone other than to cross the plane, though some Giants were blocking the view from the side. Anyone else outraged at that call?
Also, what on earth did we get called for unsportsmanslike conduct after that play? Fox never showed it. Glad the d made sure those two calls didn’t matter, but those could have been huge killers.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Oct 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he might have gotten in, too
His hips were pointed straight ahead and they were right at the goal-line. Although no replay showed the ball going over the line, I really thought he got in, too.
I read that the penalty came because Payton ran out onto the field – unsportsmanlike conduct.
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 18, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
His foot was clearly in. I know that doesn’t make it a TD, but man, he looked like he scored. You’re right Mike, when that happened I made the comment “what goes around comes around” and a few plays later Eli is sacked and fumbles. You guys realize we could have scored 60+ points today.
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was in too.
It sure seemed like it to me.
by SaintsFan-KS on Oct 18, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was certain it was a TD
when it played realtime, but after several replays from different angles, I think they got the call right. When Pierre’s foot went past the goal line, his chest was getting knocked back. I was a surprised he didn’t try to get outside on that play – looked like he had room to make it around, and I doubt Umenyiora would have been able to disengage quickly enough.
by HB-NOLA on Oct 18, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After they ruled him down
on the play there was no way of overturning it. Not enough evidence. I think they might hve been right anyways.
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by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From one angle..
… the only angle you could really see it from, it looked like the ball broke the plane, however briefly, to me. I wasn’t outraged about that. What got me was the UR call on a clean block that just simply knocked the Giant on his ass. Now, THAT was poulle-caca.
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by Tigernut on Oct 19, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half of his body was clearly in. Stands to reason that some part of the ball would have made it, as well, unless he was trying to keep it out as long as possible. No proof on film, though, so that’s okay. I would like to know what the unsportsman-like penalty was to take the Giants off the goal line. No real mention of that, but it was big.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought he was in also
he was upright, a left foot was in, and Pierre turned his back and no camera had the ball. If he could have bounced it outside it was wide open, could have skipped in. and poor coverage on the flag, who did what?
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was because Payton walked onto the field (presumably) screaming at the refs to call the TD instead of marking him short.
I too think there is about a 1% chance that the call was actually right, but unfortunately there was no TV angle to prove it.
by FriarBob on Oct 20, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's Most Valuable Player
but my props got to Payton. His play calling today was genius. Yes the execution was every bit as good, but game ball goes to Coach.
by HB-NOLA on Oct 18, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
playcalling was alot better this game!
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over at Big Blue View
they basically have this to say: the last time the Giants lost to an undefeated team (the Patriots), they beat them in the rematch when the stakes were much, much higher.
To which I answer: yes, and they looked good in losing to the Patriots. Today, they looked like children playing with sharks. Don’t be so sure the rematch will look any different.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You are correct
Your Saints beat the tar out of my Giants today. But, it is still just the 6th game of the season. You have a very good team, but you have not won anything yet.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "anything"
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 19, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A puppy tied to a tree
and the re-match will be in the Dome. The NFC Beast looks like the NFC Least, they still have remainder of div. sched.,they’ll be tough minus Skins, still have to play’em. Eagles and Cowboys will be looking at this game tape fo-sho. We got our div. games but after watching ATL/CHI. Falcons secondary exploitable and they lost a CB (ACL). TAM & CAR whats there to look past for, winning’s great and the team is having fun..and focused.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's see how you deal with a loss
I don’t think you’ll run the table. You’ll probably lose at least 3-4. This is a result of the Saints have 2 weeks to game plan for the Giants, having a franchise game and the Giants not showing up.
No doubt you were the better team today. But I’ve followed the Saints enough to remember the Aint’s and the brown bags. So, you deal with loss your way and we’ll deal with a loss our way (remembering we’re not that bad)
by EverBlue on Oct 18, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf
So, you deal with loss your way and we’ll deal with a loss our way (remembering we’re not that bad)
I don’t even know what that means.
by jful on Oct 18, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
My problem with this post is. WE DID NOT LOSE!!!!
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry man
you know the rules. Even if I do agree with you.
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by Saintsational on Oct 18, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smells like censorship :) DAMN THE MAN!
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by Hooahsaint on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EverBlue--
The result of the game was due to the Giants not being as good as the Saints. I’m sorry if that’s too hard on you. You always have three Lombardis to keep you warm.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't blame it on the 2 weeks
0-3 untill this year since 06 coming off of bye weeks. bad argument there. period. Saints dominated both sides of the ball. I think that the Giants also didn’t play very well. It could have been alot closer with a play or two here and there. We will deal with a loss if we get one. I don’t think anyone can completely shut us down without us messing us up some too.
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by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU WERE EXPOSED!!!!!
"Indecision may or may not be my biggest problem" - Jimmy Buffett
by Philinwood on Oct 19, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you were today
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big Blue common question during the game thread.
“Are the Saints really this good or do we just suck?”….Let them all keep discounting how good this Saints team is and when it’s Super Bowl time New Orleans will be rockin’!!!
I've tasted the Kool-Aid and its damn good!
by cck781 on Oct 18, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This morning, I decided To hell with it…I’m going to SEE this game. So I bit the bullet and went to a local sports bar….
LOL…your idea of “seeing” the Saints is going to a smoke-filled bar to watch them on a public TV??? Not sure where you live but get to the SuperDome man.
Anyways, it was a very, very satisfying win. We were a little lucky that Drew didn’t get intercepted on the first drive by Webster, but after that we torched their secondary while incredibly keeping their all-pro defensive line at bay. They were really depending on their front four to generate pressure as they wanted to keep extra men back to help with their injury-plagued secondary .
I thought Aikman called a decent game, but it’s easy to like (or not hate) the announcers when your team is running circles around the competition. In particular, his comments about Reggie “i like to dance” Bush were spot on – “convert him into a receiver”.
Would have liked to have seen better special teams play, but in the universe of football problems, this would seem to one we can and will readily fix. Going to enjoy this win for a while.
by TigerPaw on Oct 18, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I live in North Carolina. Getting down to New Orleans is something I get to do maybe once a year…and never to the Dome. But I will get to watch them sit their first team in the last game of the year at Carolina.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe...
I’ll miss you by a week or two. I’ll be at the Dallas game. Maybe we can wrap up home-field that night…
by Hollywoo! on Oct 18, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too man
Im bringing some of my friends (who are cowgirls fans) back to the dome for that game. Yes they will be forced to cry, say man homo sucks, and get it rubbed in the whole night
by ReggieVilma on Oct 19, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
I’ll be at the panther game. Lord knows i hate the panthers, even though I have to listen to them talked about on sports radio every $#@%&^*# day.
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They looked pathetic today against the Bucs (even though the Bucs looked even more pathetic). I figure we should beat them in the Dome something like 52-3. In Charlotte, with the top seed sewn up, we’ll sit the entire first team and the Panthers may win by a field goal.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 18, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006
Remember we sat the 1st team for that game, and the next pre-season the Panthers were saying they were only 1 win away from the playoffs. How sick is that.
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only regret.
My husband and I played the Mega Millions for 2 weeks trying to get to this game.
Great game! Great win! I can’t wait to walk these NY streets tomorrow.
by janepriceestrada on Oct 18, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
Did your bloody marys last. LOL
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes.
Although I did have to make a Vodka run at halftime. After that they lasted through halftime of Jets-Bills.
by janepriceestrada on Oct 18, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10-4
If you lived in North Carolina, as I do, no booze is sold on Sunday except in the bars. So you have to plan in advance. We always keep a pint of vodka in the cooler, and take a shot when we score. The way this season is going, we will be in rehab by week 10.
A SAINT in Panther country
by carolinasaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at last
i’m so glad i wont have to hear from another ny fan about how they been so good for so long and we have never done anything
well now we have played the best 2 teams in the nfc east and put 48 points on both hell they werent even as good as the jets who gave us the toughest game this year
by simone219 on Oct 18, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Patriots, Falcons and Dolphins games will be rough, but other than that, you guys should dfinitely run the table.
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by Saintsational on Oct 19, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sore losers
Most Giants fans accepted the loss, but I noticed a lot of complaining about the officiating over on the Big Blue View site. The plays that are getting the most bitching are:
1. PI on Corey Webster against Colston. It looked like their feet got tangled up, but Webster clearly gave a shove in the back as Colston was going down.
2. Shanle’s fumble recovery. This is the one that gets me. Before Shanle hit the ground he had the ball pinned against his shoulder. I could run the length of the football field with a ball pinned against my shoulder and not drop it, so that in no way means it is on its way out. The ball popped loose when the player hit the ground, which means no fumble. If the ball is out, then its a fumble. If it is “on its way out” then it isn’t really out now, is it?
3. O’Hare getting called for holding. Aside from the fact that it happened in garbage time, even if he wasn’t holding, they had linemen illegally downfield on that play, which didn’t get called, so is it really something you want to fight over?
4. Hixon getting called for a pick. We declined the penalty! Really Giants fans? You are bringing up declined penalties as proof the game wasn’t fair?
Oddly enough, no one over there brings up the fact that I’m about 90% sure PT was in on that 4th down play. Every part of his body was at the goal line, but you couldnt see the ball on the replay, so there was no way to overturn the call. Or how about Vilma roughing the passer? Why not go ahead and put a tutu on Manning. Tough call against us, but ya move on. I guess it just goes to show you that every team in the history of the game has found some way to blame the refs for a loss.
by VAsaintsfan on Oct 18, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, I’m really not sure why they wanted Shanle to fumble anyway. Wouldn’t that have been a safety for us (and our ball after the kickoff)?
by FriarBob on Oct 18, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. They seem to think it would have been touchback. Nuff said...
by Hollywoo! on Oct 18, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
explain why it wouldn't have been a touchback
Giants fumbled, Saints recovered (change of possession), Saints fumble, Giants recover in end zone (touchback)
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by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right
If the offense fumbles in the field of play and it goes into the endzone and recovered by defense it’s a touchback. Just like an INT downed in the endzone.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 18, 2009 11:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
But if Shanle had scored it would go as a DEFENSIVE score, not an offensive score. And if the ball had just been kicked around but nobody manged to pick it up it would clearly have been a safety, not a touchback. So how does Shanle recovering the ball and then fumbling it away change the fact that they started the play not in the endzone and ended the play in the endzone? It shouldn’t, and if it does, then that rule should be changed.
So maybe they should have wanted him to fumble since we’d have only gotten 2 points instead of 7.
by FriarBob on Oct 19, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive, offensive, doesn't matter
Only possession matters. Possession changed to the Saints; if it had been a ruled a fumble, and was recovered in the end zone by the Giants, then possession would have changed again, and it would have been a touchback.
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by MtnExile on Oct 19, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% correct
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 19, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Thanks for explaining more clearly. I knew the point I was trying to make but was a bit impaired. When possession changes on a play, ie via fumble or INT, then the offensive/defensive rules also flip. Such as blocking in the back, holding crossing the goal line. Now, if he pulled a Carl Eller and ran the wrong way and threw the ball out of bounds after crossing the goal line, that’s a safety against his team.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 19, 2009 2:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
that would have been funny
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it was Jim Marshall
v.s. SF after a Billy Kilmer fumble…that was a Safety
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by metryman on Oct 20, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your guy would have been tackled in your endzone, which is what you guys wished would have been called...
That is a safety. How is that not a safety? I’m not trying to be a smartass. A touchback would only result if that play happened on the other end of the field, our end, and we get tackled in our endzone with the ball.
by Hollywoo! on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would not be a safety
The change of possession would have made it a touchback. Giants ball at the 20. Moot point, though, since it did not happen.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would also assume
That Shanle DID have possession before being touched by the Giants’ man. He didn’t have the ball tucked in for more than half a second, and it was firmly between his arm and knee before hitting the ground. If that’s not possession, then why would anything before it be? I can see the validity of the argument both ways, but, if our guy EVER had possession, then he had it when he hit the ground, therefore the ground caused the fumble. If he didn’t, safety.
Anyway, I think that may have been the least bad of the myriad bad calls of the day.
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by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watched it again
nevermind, he totally had possession. The fumble could have been called in NY’s favor, but it wasn’t conclusively in the Giants’ favor.
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by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not blaming the loss on the officiating
but the P.I. was an awful, awful call and even Colston seemed to realize it. No way you can justify that. The O’Hara call was even worse, and if there were linemen downfield, THAT should have been called. It wasn’t, so we have a right to gripe about an awful call. And with the fumble, I think part of the reason people have a problem with it is b/c if that was him attempting to catch a pass, the fact that the ball moved would have caused it to be an incomplete pass, so if that’s not posession on a pass why would it be on a fumble? But I actually think they got that call right (and I hate that guys wouldn’t be credited with a catch for something like that).
And you’re right, the roughing the passer call was pretty bad too – but don’t blame Eli, blame Tom Brady.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My views on those penalties
1. Bad call. Feet tangled. I don’t think Colston was smiling because of the call. He was smiling b/c he knew that if he wouldn’t have been tangled up, it was a TD. He was about 1/2-1 step ahead and we all see how Colston was today. The guys is huge with strong hands.
2. Good call. He was down. I believe that it would have been a touchback for the Giants though if it was ruled the other way.
3. 1/2 and 1/2. To be honest, O’Hare wasn’t even close to anybody to get a holding call. He was downfield though and I think there was a close block in the back no call on that one. There was a penalty but they either called the wrong penalty or called it on the wrong person. What a grab by Jacobs though. Although, I did cuss out Vilma for not at least breaking up the pass. I mean, cmon!
4. IDK what pick you’re talking about honestly. Not too worried about it.
Others: Vilma’s roughing the passer call was good. He led with his helmet and went helmet to helmet. Not the ref’s fault they baby the QB.PT i thought was in initially. Not as sure now but think it was. If it was reviewed, it wouldn’t have been overturned either way that they could’ve called it on the field b/c not enough evidence.
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by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't a small, that was more a a grimace.
He was clenching his jaw, because he was a bit pissed off. He had the TD easy.
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by Hooahsaint on Oct 19, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
smile too
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 19, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sore losers?
Some of my guys over at BBV are pretty bummed today, I grant you that. And, yes, there were some bad calls. But, any Giants fan who says the refs cost us the game is wrong. The Saints whipped the Giants, plain and simple. I’m not happy about it, but it happened. You guys deserve credit for playing a great game. Oh, and FYI that I will deal with some of the ‘over the top’ whining.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 19, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safety
if the Shanle recovery/then fumble goes to endzone , a safety ,then they punt/kick back to the Saints.. Final 50-28
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by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been a touchback, Giants ball at the 20, under that scenario. The initial change of possession eliminates the possibility of a safety, unless the Giants recovered the fumble, then intentionally retreated into their own end zone (or fumbled a second time through it). Inertia impacted or otherwise, they would be given credit for forward progress and take over on a new possession (1st-and-10) at that point.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 20, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aware
but Aikman said it 1st, posted before I could cancel, would have been a big break for G-men, but NOT…By the way the avatar of Tommy Meyers closely resembles Jeremy Shockey..
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by metryman on Oct 20, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I'm scared to death of you guys
But at the same time, I think we’re the only team in the near future who has any chance of giving you a good game. Looking forward to Week 8.
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by Dave the Falconer on Oct 18, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you guys looked good
in your win tonight. Some sloppy play here and there but good enough for the W. I still think we can sweep the series though.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
It really irk’s me that you guys are still winning.
by Hollywoo! on Oct 19, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An Eagles fan I met while watching the games today
told me that he sat Drew Brees in favor of Donovan McNabb on his fantasy roster, b/c he figured the Giants D would shut down Brees and McNabb would light up the Raiders. Ouch…
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man what kind of a league is this guy in? 4 team or something? How in the world does somebody have Brees and McNabb on their fantasy team?
Either way, that still was funny.
by FriarBob on Oct 19, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I wondered that too
I have Brady and Cutler in a 10 team league though, so it is possible to get two good fantasy QB’s if you take one pretty early.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think a lot of people figured that
by nanvinnie on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I benched McNabb for Hasselbeck
Thought I’d be clever. Son of a bitch…
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have those same two, but I started McNabb.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 19, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just finished rewatching
game on DVR. It’s just as good the second time. Of course I muted Ailman. My favorite part was Osi & Justin Tuck sitting on the bench just dumbfounded by what had happened. If you read their lips they were saying – these guys are unreal and unbelieveable. Great game. I almost feel like a proud parent. All my buddies keep calling and texting and saying Your Saints look great!
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 18, 2009 11:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
From the New York Times
Saints 48, Giants 27: Giants Didn’t See What Hit Them http://bit.ly/3HHNzP
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 19, 2009 12:13 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
How come their writers are so much better than the TP?
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 19, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The power of the free market
more money buys more talent.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yooooo wtfff happened to Fujita?
Anyone know anything about his injury or what not?
by AKAY47 on Oct 19, 2009 12:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I heard he strained his calf. Not sure how serious it is yet.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 19, 2009 6:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
*Good Article*
Thanks for sharing it.
by Just 'Nother Day on Oct 19, 2009 1:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*Did You Know*
that with this victory we now own New York State and they are now another Louisiana Parish???? Did ya’ know ’dat?
by Just 'Nother Day on Oct 19, 2009 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The PI call was a good call
Webster turned the wrong way, Colston turned toward the ball, and that resulted in their feet getting tangled. If Webster hadn’t gotten beat so bad on the play and didn’t have to react/adjust and didn’t go the wrong way, it wouldn’t have been PI.
"Indecision may or may not be my biggest problem" - Jimmy Buffett
by Philinwood on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter if he is beat or not
if he’s looking up to either catch up to the receiver or to make a play on the ball. Doesn’t matter that he turned the wrong way. The point was that he didn’t try to tangle their feet, it was an accident. According to the rules on that, accidently getting your feet tangled isn’t PI. A rule they should look into imo b/c without the feet tangling it was clearly a TD but there are some plays where feet tangled and it’s a jump ball at best, maybe with the defender having the best chance. I think that if the ball is ruled possibly catchable without the tangling then they should replay the down since they don’t want it to be PI.
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by skinnykinney on Oct 19, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely needs to be relooked
If the Safety had been in a little better position on that play, he could have made a play on the ball after Colston went down. Be a really good way to take a receiver out of a play “accidentily” too.
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 20, 2009 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the angle I saw the play, the pass didn’t look catchable, even if their feet hadn’t tangled. Not that it matters at this point.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 20, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Problem Is*
With the “Brady Bunch” running up the score like a Florida High School team, and with grandpa Farve making another Geritol comeback pass, the Saints super performance will be a little further down the blog listings. But, hey, that’s just fine with me. I like it when our boys are flying under the radar in their stealth mode.
“Well shucky darn, mister announcer, it t’werent that much. We ‘as just a playin’ real hard like.”
And then go blast the crap out of another opponent.
It’s like having the only fork at a buffet!
by Just 'Nother Day on Oct 19, 2009 1:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you expect?
It is the way it should be. And it works in our favor. When next week’s power rankings come out, we’ll be in third place, after dominating everyone we meet, and Farve’s come-from-behind squad will take first or second. The Pats will take our place, as it must have been painful for experts to eject them from top 5 for any amount of time.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll be in first, at worst second behind the Colts.
They aren’t going to move us down from third and second after beating the Giants, who were number 1, handily. You don’t move down for playing well.
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 20, 2009 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see
You give sports media more credit for noticing consistent fluke-free Saints domination than I do. ESPN.com does seem to believe the Saints have more heat than Minnesota though.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 20, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, although I don’t think we should be moved ahead of the Colts on boards that we were previously behind. It’s kind of messed up to punish a team for a bye week.
The majority of the rankings I’ve seen have had us number 1 . . . 2 at the lowest.
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 21, 2009 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning in New Orleans is a Brees
A stupid power outage ruined my Tivo in the early NFL window Sunday so I only caught a few moments of this game. Nevertheless, NFL Replay will be showing it so I can further evaluate then. From what I saw, though, Darren Sharper is wreaking havoc and Brees utilizes all his weapons. Lucky guy, too, to talk to Pam Oliver after the game! War the Broncos and Saints playing with a Lombardi trophy on the line!
Brad James
by the Bradfather on Oct 19, 2009 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Replay Tues. 7p.m. Cent. NFL NET.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone Catch the Aikman Excuse Factory
is there a forum to bitch about anouncers being partial. I know , I know you can’t do shit about it. It’s just irritating to hear Troy make excuse after excuse why the Giants were losing rather than give New Orleans thier props for kicking the crap out of the Giants. O.K. I’m off of the soapbox. Time to put a little Dolphin on the grill. Go Saints!!
by Lyle Lirette on Oct 19, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked at the end of the game, when he had to choke back the acid enough to admit the Saints were a good team…but the Giants are better than the game they just played!! Hilarious. You just can’t keep an NFC East homer down.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aikman
i cant sytand that loud mouth idiot i think he took too many blows to the head he thinks the nfc east is the best but we played their 2 best teams and put 48 points on each of them so it looks to me like they are the weakest div. in the league
by simone219 on Oct 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got a bad memory
of his debut as rookie 28-0 drubbing in the Dome.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Oct 19, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's because the Saints have had some awesome games against the Cowboys.
The most recent I remember is when Dallas was on a streak and Emmit was rushing for better numbers than he had his entire career. They came into New Orleans when we weren’t anything special and we switched to the “Bear” defense and held Emmit to 36 yards or something making Troy have to pass. He ended up sucking when it was all on his shoulders and the result was a Saints win and the entire league seeing how to beat the Cowboys. I’m not sure, but I don’t think they made the playoffs that year.
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 20, 2009 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“The most recent I remember is when Dallas was on a streak and Emmit was rushing for better numbers than he had his entire career.”
You don’t remember the 2006 whitewashing? Mike Karney’s three TDs? Onside kick to start the 2nd half?
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 20, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Living in Texas,
that game made me happier even than the Falcons Dome-opener. I hate the Cowboys, wherever I live, but it was extra-special to see the pain in the eyes of America’s Team’s Fans.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 20, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was speaking of the Troy Aikman era Cowboys and explaining why he has a bad taste in his mouth of the Saints. We consistently exposed him.
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 21, 2009 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great game by a really good football team. as a giant fan i hope we meet again. this time with the second half of are D on the field. CANTY, ROSS, BOLEY. not likely KENNY PHILLIPS and ALFORD but it would be nice. i am now a saints fan … until the playoffs start.
by Troy O on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
btw aikmen hates the giants.as do all ex cowgirls.
by Troy O on Oct 19, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It may be a “lesser of two evils” thing for him. He loves the NFC East more than he hates the Giants, I think. Maybe not. It was funny to hear him call a Cowboys game a few weeks ago, though, because he REALLY hates this iteration of his beloved alma mater.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 19, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NFC East is NOT the Best
Hey, Saints fans,
it’s me again. It’s nice seeing Sean Payton on ESPNEWS right now. I just want to say that when teams in the NFC East lose to the Raiders and Chiefs, the division is extremely overrated. The Broncos have numerous tough games (including tonight’s, don’t get me wrong) but the NFC East might be some respite to us. Thankfully in the NFL, it makes no difference who is favored by the media as games are determined on the field. Now, in college football you have favored teams get all the run and there’s no way to clean out the crap. Thanks for helping to prove the skeptics wrong. We in Bronco Country have had enough of the myopic nonsense and sadly, you guys have too.
Brad James
by the Bradfather on Oct 19, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aikman's Just Jealous Because...
you Saints fans may remember that in Aikman’s first ever NFL game in 1989, the Saints gashed him like a pinata at a Quincenara party.
Brad James
by the Bradfather on Oct 19, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I remember my Great-Granpa telling me that while I was on the phone with him watching the game. He lives in Alexandria, Louisiana and I live in the DC area now. But he was saying "Aikman is such a sore loser still. He’s mad because we gave him a whoopin’ he’ll never forget in “89” And even though PaPa’s pushing 90 he’s watched almost every saints game since ’67 so he knows. I hope and pray he lives to see the Saints make it to the big game.
Get ready to FEEL DAT BREES!!!
by born in areacode 318 on Oct 19, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, we're all hoping we live to see that.
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
by Hooahsaint on Oct 20, 2009 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen to that
i’m 47 yrs old and have had that same thought alot
by simone219 on Oct 20, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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