An observation about the Saints' run defense
I've been reading lately a lot of people dismissing the Saints' run defense on the ground that most teams don't try to run much, since they have to pass to catch up. The latest to say this was Dolphins' OC Dan Henning.
"We're not going to have much running against New Orleans when they're ahead by 20 points in the middle of the second quarter," he said.
That makes sense if you're rating a team by total rushing yards per game, in which category the Saints are 5th. Teams, indeed, simply don't rush against them as much as they might if they were ahead.
But if you rank teams according to per-rush average, the Saints are still a top-10 defense. They're giving up 3.8 yards per rush. And actually, they may be better than that: since teams are forced to pass more, the defense is forced to defend against the pass first and the run second. Yet they're still ranked 10th against the run.
My guess—and it may just be wishful thinking, of course—is that the Saints' run defense will hold up just fine against the Dolphins. We've already played the 3rd (Jets) and 6th Giants) teams ranked in order of rushing average. The Dolphins are 5th. The Wildcat may be a different formation, but the secret to stopping the run is still the same: gap discipline. The Saints' defense has held up so far, and there's no reason to think it will suddenly break in Miami.
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Our defensive stats are hard to evaluate sometime
clearly a defense in the 2nd qtr with a 14 or 17 point lead plays “atypical” compared to when it’s a 7-7 game. Additionally, when you lead by 3+ scores in the 4th qtr, you tend to give up 5-10 yd gains easily and not sweat it in the prevent defense just trying to keep the ball in bounds and in front of the d to run the clock.
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by Philinwood on Oct 23, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“The Wildcat may be a different formation, but the secret to stopping the run is still the same: gap discipline.”
This is true, but what so many people fail to realize (or acknowledge) is that the Wildcat allows for an extra offensive lineman, thereby creating an additional gap to maintain. If a team was running it on every snap, it would be easier to defend. You’d know to keep your strong safety up, maybe an extra linebacker in the huddle, if you’re going with the 3-4, etc. Not knowing when exactly when to expect it is what’s keeping DCs on their toes. It’s almost like a tackle eligible play in the red zone, only instead of having a surprise bonus receiver to deal with, you suddenly have a sixth (or seventh, or eighth) 300 lb blocker trotting out of the huddle. To stay atop of that, a DC has to rely heavily on personnel recognition by their comrades in the pressbox. “Is that a tight end or a tackle? Oh sh*t. Gregg, we a Cat on the prowl.” It’s a whole lot more complex than just “stay focused and remember your assignments”.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 23, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a flaw in your theory. Do you really think nobody’s going to notice the QB trotting off the field and being replaced by a extra lineman?
by FriarBob on Oct 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The QB doesn’t always leave the field. And linemen are constantly being shuffled in and out. It’s a lot harder to keep track of than you think. Especially when the prior play ends along the Dolphins sidelines.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 23, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? You really think they are going to put in the backup linemen and take out their starters “constantly”??
Yes there are substitutions quite frequently. But if you are NOT watching them like an absolute hawk, you deserve what you get. And I will guarantee you that when people know that this is a possibility they may well have THREE people watching like a hawk on every single substitution. It may be a bit harder to be sure on plays that end near the Dolphins’ sideline… but unless the previous play was also a wildcat odds are VERY good the QB will be in the middle of the field and have a fairly long run to sub out.
True, the QB doesn’t leave the field every time. But when he doesn’t, you lose your options for an extra lineman… or at least most of them. Which means my point stands.
by FriarBob on Oct 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will repeat what i’ve said in other blogs
they ran the wildcat 16 times in their last game that is a whole 4 times a quarter…how much time can 4 plays really take off the clock?
my answer not as much as we are all lead to believe
and remember who is only a 1 and some sec behind them on TOP …can you guess?
huh?
by doublewide on Oct 23, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No moreso than any other successful running play. AOL keyword: successful. That’s the key. If the Wildcat is giving them a better chance to convert first downs than the standard turn-and-handoff, then it’s inevitably going to lead to a higher TOP, as they’ll be sustaining drives and having additional snaps to work with. You can’t very well take the epochal confines of an offensive snap (25 seconds) and arrive at a definitive conclusion on what that equates to in TOP on the whole. There are too many other factors that come into play. A five yard run that results in a fourth down contributes far less to a team’s success, than a five yard run that results in a first down, even if they take the exact same amount of time off the clock, in and of themselves.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 23, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant players are constantly being shuttled in and out, not necessarily linemen. But that one extra lineman coud conceivably be any of their backup linemen, including an extra tight end.
“True, the QB doesn’t leave the field every time. But when he doesn’t, you lose your options for an extra lineman… or at least most of them. Which means my point stands.”
And this is false. When the QB doesn’t leave the field, he’s typically substituting for a WR. You don’t lose anything along the bolstered offensive line. That’s one of the primary ideologies behind the Wildcat formation. To create another gap to run through. Why would they elimate that? If you’re not going to take advantage of that numbers mismatch, you might as well just run a standard formation.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 23, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*eliminate
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 23, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg, we have a Cat on the prowl."
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 23, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked it b etter the first way
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 23, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Run blitz
I think that Greg will dial up some variations of blitzing and have them conducted somewhat like run blitzes. I believe that our players will blitz with filling the gaps and stopping the run as a first priority then reaching the QB or whoever takes the snap as a second priority. I think this should work against the wildcat.
by narco301 on Oct 23, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the saints should...
hire someone …who has one purpose in the game, to watch who is and isnt coming off the field… and a red button linked to sean so when something fishy is going on he knows…
that isnt illegal, is it
by doublewide on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it isn’t. And I’m sure they’re on top of it.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 23, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Wildcat
How bout the saints having long methodical drives to keep the wilcat of the field…just a thought…
Live Today to the Fullest because Tomorrow is not Promised....Gary
by gdspecial1 on Oct 23, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stopping the Dolphins version of the Wildcat
My thoughts on it are that you simply have to sell out on the run. Don’t respect the pass. Saying “respect the pass” for the Dolphins version of the wildcat is pretty much saying “respect the pass” against a punt formation. You know that there is an outside chance of it, but you just don’t see it often.
Ronnie Brown is a thrower, not a passer, and if he tries to throw a ball more than 10 yards he is going to hang it up long enough for Darren Sharper to field it like a punt. Ronnie Brown has attempted 2 passes this year, and completed 1. That 1 pass went for 21 yards. Even if Henne stays in the game for the wildcat, Miami hasn’t shown an ability to utilize that aspect of it. So if we have the unfortunate luck of being only the 2nd team this season to allow a Ronnie Brown completed pass, I’d gladly take a 21 yard pass if it means shutting down a staple of their offense.
With that in mind, I would sub in Malcolm Jenkins for Tracy Porter to add some size and tackling power on D whenever I see both Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams come into the game.
"That Brees is a good quarterback." - Giants Free Safety Michael Johnson after a 48-27 Saints victory.
by VAsaintsfan on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“Ronnie Brown is a thrower, not a passer”
For some reason, this reminded me of the Michael Jackson line:
“I told you, Paul … I’m a lover, not a fighter”.
Heh. Sorry, VA. I’m sure your voice isn’t quite that feminine.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes
by coldpizza on Oct 23, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tired D
One of the keys to a successful run game is wearing down the d line. None of the teams against the Saints have really gotten to test that theory since they are getting their asses handed to them by the time the 4th quarter rolls around.
"You don't know. You just don't know. You may think you know, but you don't know. And you never will." Jim Mora
by kman71 on Oct 24, 2009 7:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So that was the Dolphins
That was supposed to be a very tough game for the Saints….and now bring on Atlanta….the read on the Falcons at season’s beginning was they can score but they have a very porous defence…I guess we will see….
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by gdspecial1 on Oct 30, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wildcat my ass. Didn’t do much of anything.
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by Hooahsaint on Oct 31, 2009 6:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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