New Orleans Saints @ Miami Dolphins: Defending the Wildcat
The Dolphins' use of the wildcat has been well documented. By now we've seen all the stats, we know the dangerous players in the scheme - Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, and to a lesser extent, Pat White - and we know the Dolphins plan to use it a lot. Coming into this game against the Dolphins in Miami, how the Saints defend the wildcat will determine the outcome.
The only real exposure the Saints have had to the wildcat this season was facing the Eagles in week 2. The Eagles employed the wildcat early and often in an effort to provide some relief for backup quarterback and spot starter Kevin Kolb. Unfortunately for the Eagles, the Saints got out to a big lead in the second half, which forced the Eagles to abandon the heavy run and clock draining formation. That said, the Saints did not do a great job of stopping it when it was used. Fast forward to Sunday, the Saints will face off against a team that executes the wildcat better than anyone in the league. As evidenced by their last game (Monday Night week 5 hosting the Jets), the Fins rely on the wildcat heavily and aren't afraid to commit to it almost entirely with the game on the line. Simply put: it's what they do best and of all the teams they've played so far this season, only the Ravens have had any success in stopping it. While the Saints defense is vastly improved, I don't think comparisons to the Ravens have been earned quite yet.
What makes this such an interesting matchup is that the Dolphins' key to winning this game is controlling the clock and pounding the football on the ground. This would, in turn, keep the Saints' potent offense off the field and minimize their chances to score. It turns out the Dolphins are number one in the NFL running the football, but the Saints' run defense isn't shabby either, ranking fifth.
So how do the Saints stop the wildcat? To me, the two key players for the Saints are Roman Harper and Jonathan Vilma. Those two players are the Saints' most athletic playmakers in the box and their tackling ability in this game will prove instrumental. It looks like Scott Fujita will be absent from this one, so you can expect the Dophins to go right at Troy Evans. Harper's ability to play up in the box and make an impact as well as Vilma's lateral movement and sideline to sideline pursuit will be crucial in helping out Evans. While Remi Ayodele has played decent football and has recently been anointed as the starter at defensive tackle alongside Sedrick Ellis, expect the Dolphins to attack him as well. It's clear that Evans and Ayodele are the weaknesses in the Saints' defense, and the positions they play are ideal for the Dolphins' wildcat to attack. That's not to say Sedrick Ellis, Scott Shanle, Charles Grant, Will Smith etc. won't need to play very sound defense, respecting their assignment within the defensive scheme, but to me Harper and Vilma are the two players that have the power to shut down the Dolphins' offense, or allow it to run wild.
How do you guys think Vilma and Harper will perform, respectively?
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Vilma
will perform only as well as Ayodele and Ellis allow him to. If the Dolphins can consistently get blockers on Vilma, we’re in for a long afternoon. But if either Ellis or Ayodele can occupy double-teams, we’re in good shape.
I wonder if Williams will go to a base 3-4 in this game. That’s what the Ravens ran against Miami in the playoffs last year. The best thing about the Saints’ defense is that it’s so flexible the opponent never knows for sure what to prepare for. We can totally screw with their blocking schemes by showing them something they didn’t expect.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 24, 2009 8:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree....
I think the same goes with Harper—if he gets blocked at all, he’s not too great, but he’s pretty good about closing lanes when they open.
Also, I think getting off to a fast start will be hugely important. If we can jump out to a 10 point lead, things will start to get a lot easier for us.
by LSU FAN on Oct 24, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We haven't played the Ravens this year.
We played them last year in the regular season and the playoffs. They stuffed the hell out of the Wildcat, and our run game in general.
The differences this year are that our O-Line has improved tremendously since last year. We added Center Jake Grove and RG Donald Thomas, who is back from injury. This coupled with the fact that an entire offseason was devoted to it, and all the players have bought entirely into it.
Sparano has said that all the players love running the Wildcat in practice. In a press conference, Sparano said that if they stop running it, “the guys act like I took their candy bar away.”
That is the reason why it is better this year than last. I suppose the litmus test would be for the Dolphins to play the Ravens again and see what happens.
Dolphins and Gators baby!
by gatorfin on Oct 24, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nahh, the Ravens aren’t nearly as good as they were last year. Actually, the Saints aren’t a bad test for you. They’re good against the run, and they’re pretty good against the pass as well, and they’re a ball-hawking defense. Get by them and you have good reason to hope for the rest of the season.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 24, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
The Ravens arent the same because Rex Ryan left and so did a few players. On the other hand, Rex Ryan isn’t the same because he doesn’t have Ray Lewis, Suggs, Reed, etc.
Both of them together are greater than the sum of their parts.
Dolphins and Gators baby!
by gatorfin on Oct 24, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me on the Wildcat as a legitimate offensive weapon/style of play
That what we’re looking at is two things:
1) The potential to get a terrible mismatch or bad “read” on a play that gives them a HUGE play (TD or long gain). This potential can be terrifying to us long-time Saints fans, or those who endured the sloppy tackling and lots of “turn tail and chase after the receiver/RB after he gets past/around you” style of defense of Gary Gibbs.
2) The ability to employ it on 3rd and short to keep drives alive and the clock ticking. Or, to have #1 happen on 3rd and short, after our D has played a good 1st and 2nd down and then gets burned big time. This was also a struggle of previous defenses – not getting the crucial stop on third down.
What it boils down to is playing well – staying in your spot and cleanly tackling the ballholder when he’s near you, which one might say is crucial to defensive success every week.
Maybe with GW now, we don’t need to worry about gap discipline, poor tackling, big plays, bad reads, etc., and this won’t be an issue. And I have no doubt about GW’s ability to scheme something that will stop the wildcat if everyone does their job correctly. And much moreso this year, I have faith that we have defensive personnel that can carry out a good defensive game plan.
But until we actually step on the field and actually play against whatever the Dolphins throw at us, we won’t know how it’ll go for us.
Based on this, we need the DL to tie up all the blockers, the LBs to swarm and tackle quickly, and the secondary to not bite on play action fakes, double routes, etc. Again, you could say this every week.
I think I will be really nervous every week until we’re not playing anymore. We have seen how good a team we can be, but we haven’t seen it sustained, week in and week out, no matter the opponent, over the long course of the season yet. Maybe we are that team. We’ll see.
GOEAUX SAINTS!!!!
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 24, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ok to be honest and fair...
Gary Gibbs defenses weren’t designed to be turn tail and chase, but that’s what our players ended up doing alot…
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 24, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned in the other thread...
Sell out on the run. When you see Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown both in the game, bring the house. Ronnie Brown has only attempted 2 passes all year, and only completed 1. Statistics don’t lie, and Miami hasn’t shown a willingness to pass out of the Wildcat. Even if they put Pat White back there, statistics show they are still much more likely to run the ball. Even when Henne lines up as a WR, who cares? They haven’t gotten him the ball in that position yet. Don’t respect an aspect of the game that they haven’t proven they are capable of executing. Throw the kitchen sink at them until they prove they can do something about it.
"That Brees is a good quarterback." - Giants Free Safety Michael Johnson after a 48-27 Saints victory.
by VAsaintsfan on Oct 24, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, Defense's have to stay honest.
This is one reason the wildcat is so dangerous. Over commitment will lead to big plays. I believe they’ve shown 5 different pass options (they have more) with out Pat White. If a D starts to commit to the run they will burn u with a big time pass play. Gap discipline is the only way to stop it. That’s what the Ravens did.
by 54 on Oct 24, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking along these lines...
Have Porter and Greer play man-to-man on their corners. Have Darren Sharper in single deep coverage. And the rest play the run. If Brown throws it, I think the battle of Brown the Passer vs. Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter is one we win hands down 9 out of 10 times at least.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 24, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this sounds about right
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by Saintsational on Oct 24, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Traditional “46” defense formation:
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I think it is the secret to beating the wildcat, or any heavy-running offense, for that matter. It was invented to foil run-heavy offenses of the pre-Walsh “West Coast” days of football.I imagine it’s why the Ravens did so well against it, and why I have confidence in GW to put the right defense in place against it tomorrow.
"Brees will kill you, but he lets you decide how fast he tightens the garrote." -Chris Brown
by FuSoYa on Oct 24, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
if they show the wildcat, Brown has to show he can make QB accurate throws. He’s not a NFL QB. If they pass with him, expect a pick. That’s going to be the best way to stop it. I won’t say the 46 defense . I’d say stack it up like a 3-4 except we’ll have 4 dlinemans so it’d be a 4-4. Don’t overcommit to one side like the picture. But that might not be how the 46 defense would look in action. Anyways, a 4-4 with the 4th linebacker being the SS would be good against it i think
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by skinnykinney on Oct 24, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
If Ronnie Brown attempts a pass and someone slaps him on the helmet after he throws, will they call roughing the passer?
by jack_casse on Oct 24, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They should throw a flag.
If he takes the snap I would say he’s officialy the QB.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
by vicvega26 on Oct 24, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think if they hit him after they throw
it’s at least unnecessary roughness. I don’t think it’d be a slap on the helmet though that causes a flag
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by skinnykinney on Oct 24, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be hands to the head. Can’t do that to a QB.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
by vicvega26 on Oct 25, 2009 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line: Get some hats on Williams and Brown on every single play. Let the Dolphins know “PHYSICAL PLAY” goes both ways.
by jray2000 on Oct 24, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Enough said...
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself”…. enough said
Ubi maior minor cessat
by bondcrash on Oct 24, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the post.
Especially Harper. It’s very important that he tackles exceptionally in this game. But everyone keeps talking about stopping this “Potent New Orleans offense” by keeping it off the field. Why isn’t anybody talking about the Saints offense keeping this “Dangerous Wildcat” offense off the field. If we can sustain long drives early, wouldn’t that be the best way to stop it?
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
by vicvega26 on Oct 24, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the Saints offense
is pass first. They’ve done well running the ball this year, but their bread and butter is passing. That’s just not conducive to running the clock.
by saints-nation on Oct 24, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it is
You just need a quarterback who can hit most of his passes. A completed pass play, in bounds, runs more time off the clock than a running play that goes out of bounds.
Too much is made of the inability of passing offenses to control the clock. Miami, the top rushing team, leads the league in time of possession; but of the next three teams at the top of the list—the Patriots, the Steelers, and the Giants—only the Giants have run more than passed. The Saints are fifth on the list, and they also have run more than passed, despite how spectacular their passing offense is.
In the end, it’s not the type of play called that matters, but the degree of success. If you keep making first downs, you bleed the clock.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
by MtnExile on Oct 24, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't be Vilma
Harper, yes I agree there. In Vilma’s place, i’d put Charles Grant who plays on Troy Evans’ side of the field(i’m pretty sure, otherwise it’ll be Smith). Grant will have to step up and penetrate the line and force the defense to either go back inside to Vilma or to the outside to Harper. Grant’s penetration will be key.
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by skinnykinney on Oct 24, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT Question:
Help a guy out. Is Carney still going to handle the PK duties this week? Or is Hartley back in?
Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 24, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carney will kick, I bet, and Hartley will be inactive
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Oct 24, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my guess too, but I'm watching from afar.
And yeah, it’s a fantasy football motivated question. Thanks for the help.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 24, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The Saints picked apart the Giants’ secondary with multiple-receiver formations and had great success on plays in which Drew Brees took deep drops from center. The Cardinals have better personnel at the wide receiver positions but their front five hasn’t been bulletproof.
This is from Yahoo Sports. Can you believe this crap? The Cards have better WRs? Did they even watch the Saints/Giants game? Sorry, I know this is a bit off topic, but I had to post it to let the Saints WRs know that I think they are THE best in the league.
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by Tigernut on Oct 25, 2009 5:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Key for Saints Victory
is score fast , score often. Make every stop , turn over into a score . Put the Dophins behind the score and you kill the wildcat and turn it into a rug. All the talking heads with a few exceptions continue to make excuses for the teams that New Orleans trample under foot. Phil Simms Chris Collinsworth are idiots.
by Lyle Lirette on Oct 25, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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