Saints Mid-Season Offensive Player Grades; Jahri Evans Awarded MVP
Below are the Grade Point Averages of each player that's played significant time in the New Orleans Saints' offense through the first eight games of the 2009 season, ordered from highest GPA to lowest:
Jahri Evans 3.29 (8 games graded)
Pierre Thomas 3.22 (6 games graded)
Jeremy Shockey 3.21 (8 games graded)
Heath Evans 3.11 (6 games graded)
Drew Brees 3.09 (8 games graded)
Jonathan Goodwin 3.04 (8 games graded)
Carl Nicks 3.00 (8 games graded)
Mike Bell 2.95 (6 games graded)
Marques Colston 2.92 (8 games graded)
Jon Stinchcomb 2.88 (8 games graded)
Robert Meachem 2.83 (6 games graded)
Jermon Bushrod 2.81 (7 games graded)
Zach Strief 2.52 (7 games graded)
Lance Moore 2.50 (4 games graded)
Reggie Bush 2.42 (8 games graded)
David Thomas 1.89 (5 games graded)
Darnell Dinkins 1.67 (1 game graded)
Kyle Eckel 1.67 (1 game graded)
Below are the number of Offensive Player of the Game awards handed out in my Player Grades posts (note I gave Shockey and Bell a tie one week):
Marques Colston 2
Drew Brees 2
Pierre Thomas 2
Robert Meachem 1
Jeremy Shockey 0.5
Mike Bell 0.5
Based on the numbers alone, I'm choosing Jahri Evans as the Mid-Season Offensive MVP. That might not be the most popular pick but in my estimation, he's performed the most consistently in the eight games of any Saint on the offensive side of the ball. What do you think?
Check back tomorrow for the mid-season defensive and special teams GPA's.
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You need to weight the results
A quarterback, for instance, is at least twice as important as an offensive guard; this would put Evans behind Brees by 6.18 to 3.29. It would mean, also, that there is no way a guard could ever be the MVP…which is, in my opinion, simply reality.
Each position needs a multiplier.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
i don't know
you could argue otherwise. I’m sure Jahri Evans wouldn’t appreciate you telling him that Drew is more important than him on the football field. He’d probably say something like “It’s a total team effort.”
I will also say this…The Sporting News just picked their mid-season all-star team and Jahri Evans was the ONLY Saint to make the offensive list, so this choice can’t be too off, right?
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 11, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Love it!
The O-line of any great team never gets the respect they deserve. All eyes are always on the QB, RB, and WRs. Jahri’s play is a huge reason for our success to date. I hope he gets enough Pro Bowl votes. Of course, no Saint will be in the Pro Bowl this year because they’ll be getting ready to play in the Super Bowl the following week.
"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams
How often do you hear the phrase "franchise guard"?
How many guards are taken in the first round?
Face it: quarterback is simply a much more important position. That’s not to say that offensive line is unimportant—every position is important—but I’m sure that Jahri Evans would agree that the offense starts and ends with Drew Brees.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
how about this...
if Jahri Evans sucked, that might cause Drew Brees to suck too.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 11, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
But if we had a sucky QB, like say Delhomme, but Jahri was playing lights out,
I don’t think any same person would say we’d be undefeated.
"They're ready to be like 'Same Old Saints'" - Roman Harper, on each of the New Orleans Saints vanquished foes of 2009
Good Thinking
It probably would because now all the opposing team is after the quarterback.
by JAHRIEVANSFAN on Dec 1, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Heath Evans was also picked
on the offensive side of the mid-season all star team
"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
by Cajun in CA on Nov 11, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
was he?
must have missed it.
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by Dave Cariello on Nov 11, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
I talked to Jahri and well he said that each team member contributes to the game no matter what position or experience. It’s really how the puzzle pieces fit that makes us a good team.
by JAHRIEVANSFAN on Dec 1, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Prejudice
Just because someone is not the big name in the Banners it doesn’t they deserve less credit. Jahri scares half the people on the opposing teams. He weighs over 300 dammit! DO you know how many time the quartback would be sacced without some1 like him. Drew Brees himself say he can flip a switch and Jahri will rock on the field. I believe I’ve said enough.
by JAHRIEVANSFAN on Dec 1, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Each position is reliant on others.
RBs need the O-line to block well.
WRs need both the O-line to pass block & the QB to throw a catchable pass.
QBs need both the O-line to protect him and his receivers to catch his passes.
The thing they all have in common—the big uglies up front. They deserve much more respect than most fans give them. And the best performer (most consistent) on the Saints line so far is Mr. Evans.
by WhoDat_OH on Nov 11, 2009 6:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Not even a contest
Read the acronym out- MVP, most valuable player. Evans is great, Thomas and Colston are great, but no single player is more valuable to this team than Drew Brees… for his play on the field, and his leadership in the locker room. Would we still be a great offense without Evans? Probably. As we saw for chunks of the last couple of years, we can be a great offense without Thomas or Colston, also.
Could we be a great offense without Drew Brees? I doubt it. He makes everyone better.
Even Steven
All the player help each other. Therefore MVP, shoudl exist the way to spell it out to be. No one is more valuable player. It really should be call MNP- Most Noted Player because it’s always dependent on stats until the stand-out one comes. How exactly does Drew Brees make everyone better when all he does is throw the ball to Reggie. It’s real an individual’s determination that determines their skill. If Drew is the best, what bad or good does that do when the whole team can suck(NOT SAYING THEY DO)? He’ll just having to pick up he slack. As you can see a quarterback is jut glamorized because he has the balll first and chooses who to throw it to which usually determines the play.
by JAHRIEVANSFAN on Dec 1, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Editing
I hate how you can edit, but.
I meant “should’t”
by JAHRIEVANSFAN on Dec 1, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Drew has been turnover happy as of late
I can’t give it to Drew this is overall perfomance,and all though i know we wouldn’t be here without him but he has fumbled and put this team in jerpordy as of late,Evans is great but he hasn’t got us one point.My vote goes for Thomas is productive as long as SP gives hime the ball,and has changed the outcome of a game from his play alone and he’s been consitint weekend and week out.
by darshiva420 on Nov 11, 2009 8:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Drew is awesome, but he has almost singlehandedly kept us chewing on cuticles for the first half of the last three games. He bounces back, which is something a lot of pro qb’s aren’t capable of, but he is not the most consistent performer on offense we have.
What you have to do is to turn his little body over so that when he does get it, he lands on his head and he doesn’t come back in for a while." -- Gregg Williams on Steve Smith.
+1
"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
by Cajun in CA on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think you should blame Drew for a couple of things
Such as when defensive lineman hit him from behind (or in front unexpectedly) and strip him. Sure, it’s his job to protect the ball, but there is a limit. His primary job on passing plays is to first read defenses, look for receivers and “feel” pressure. Sometimes it’s impossible to “feel” pressure from defense if it does not appear to be there and then a split second later it’s on him and it’s too late. And, as far as interceptions and incompletes, they sometimes are not his fault, that should go without saying. Every QB in this league will have both- just look at Favre’s Hall of Fame career, many ints. Goes with the territory. Alternatively, a QB could be like Bernie Kosar who threw so few INTS in his prime, but the team never accomplished much, or like Mc Nabb who is stingy on INTS and seems to work against the team because he throws many passes low and in the ground out of fear of an INT. I remember Marino throwing 4-5 interceptions in games as well as Joe Namath and Jpe Montana. I think if you want a more consistent performer than Brees, then you should trade him for, hmmm… let’s see, I can’t think of anybody that would be that person. All QBs have this occur, it comes with the territory.
"Indecision may or may not be my biggest problem" - Jimmy Buffett
At least half of his T.O.'s aren't on him,
but the other half definitely is. In Miami, his protection broke down quickly, and it took a while for the run game to develop, so he was under a lot of pressure. But he did throw one terrible int. in that game, because he got flustered, and was trying to squeeze out a positive play on the run. He should have thrown it away. And his interceptions vs. Atlanta and Carolina were just badly thrown balls. Acrobatic grabs on the defense, but he usually doesn’t give defenders that opportunity. And some of the sacks and forced fumbles are as much because he held on too long as they were due to rapidly deteriorating pocket containment. Once again, he bounced back beautifully, and he’s a great qb., etc., etc., but he’s been playing a little Cutler-esque in recent first halves, so I don’t think he gets the top nod for consistency. I picked PT, just because he’s kept the offense moving forward week to week, and drive to drive, and his consistency has really helped out Brees in second halves. I think you could argue that his drawing up safeties, and relieving some of the pass rush has given Drew the extra seconds and the zone coverage he needed late in games to bounce back the way he has.
What you have to do is to turn his little body over so that when he does get it, he lands on his head and he doesn’t come back in for a while." -- Gregg Williams on Steve Smith.
Thomas would be my second choice for most consistent in ‘09. I’ve been very pleased with both his production and progression as an NFL running back.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
In my mind
Evans falls victim to the iniquity of being a lineman. You can’t be an MVP if you never touch the ball. Pro Bowl, no question. He’s been solid at his position. He may be the best in the conference or the league at his spot. That’d be hard to prove for a guard, but he is awesome. But an offensive MVP has to move the ball in my book.
What you have to do is to turn his little body over so that when he does get it, he lands on his head and he doesn’t come back in for a while." -- Gregg Williams on Steve Smith.
Couldn't have said it better myself...
"They're ready to be like 'Same Old Saints'" - Roman Harper, on each of the New Orleans Saints vanquished foes of 2009
I just can’t buy into that. Joe Thomas is clearly the best overall player on the Browns roster, imo. Who would you consider their offensive MVP?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
sadly............ yes
they really are that bad. cant give it to their QBs, not their running backs, defiantly not the WRs, maybe cribs (but he is a special teamer).
sadly enough, Joe Tomas really is the best they have.
It is better to fail historical, than the live in mediocrity- Unknown
Legitimate foil to my point, but
Does it really matter who the most valuable player is, if the overall value of the unit is zero?
What you have to do is to turn his little body over so that when he does get it, he lands on his head and he doesn’t come back in for a while." -- Gregg Williams on Steve Smith.
by FuSoYa on Nov 11, 2009 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They are on him
Yes some are from our lineman being beat.The others though are Brees trying to do a Reggie Bush.Theres been plenty of times where he should have dumped those or threw it out of bounds.Problem is though (and its a good problem )is he’s so confadent in his line and recivers he’s trying to hit the home run and when its not there he’s still trying to wait for it to develope. When hes so good at going to the dump off.(plus I think on some of those dump offs he’s getting pissed cause he has to do it and stuborn)I also think he’s getting it back but he had lost he’s trust in Reggie when he missed those throws earleir in the season (and the fumbles)but Reggie is deffently earning it back.
Does holding not come with the territory of an offensive lineman? Does fumbling not come with the territory of a running back who handles the ball say, 20 or 30 times a game? There’s no doubt Brees has been more consistent than most QBs in the league over his career, but he’s having a subpar season in that department THIS PARTICULAR SEASON. And that’s what this recognition is based on. All of that being said, it IS an MVP accolade and there simply is no one on the team more VALUABLE than Brees. As in, lose him and your season goes down the sh*tter. The rest are plug and play, based on who we currently have on the roster. That’s not EVEN considering who’s currently available in free agency. Put it this way, would you rather be treading water with Mark Brunell, while scavenging the Rolodex for QB depth … or making due with Jamar Nesbit … or the lone remaining RB standing between a perfect season and a Shaun Alexander/Edgerrin James/Warrick Dunn resurrection? As bad as all of those scenarios are, they aren’t #9 curled up in a fetal position bad. Make it an MCP (Most Consistent Player) award, and I’m right there with you on a Jahri Evans vote.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Sorry
I guess it’s NOT an MVP vote, based on the verbage of the question:
“Which Saints offensive player do you think performed the best during the first half of the 2009 season?”
Gotta go with Evans, based on his dependability (no games missed due to injuries) and consistency (only one penalty in eight games).
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
agreed
Brees is easily the most valuable player for the Saints, no doubt. With him out, there’s no way we’re 8-0.
But he’s been inconsistent at times, even with his ability to rebound from poor starts and win games for us.
Jahri Evans has been pretty freakin solid, but I gave my vote to Pierre Thomas. He’s been consistently good, plus his running style is what we’ve needed to finish games. Without him, we’d be an unbalanced “finesse” team probably sitting right at .500 right now.
Also gotta give props to Bushrod— maybe not as best offensive player, but definitely as biggest offensive surprise. He’s handled himself really well in Brown’s absence, and he’s all but shut down some of the premier pass rushers. Not bad for a guy from Towson (is that even a real school??).
P.S. I'm glad somebody voted for Heath Evans
He deserves a nod for what he brought to the offense in the first half of this season…But I just couldn’t do it! That said, I hope he finishes his career here in N.O. He managed to usurp my inappropriate affections for Karney, which I didn’t think possible. At least not until I found out Karney wasn’t the HB/MLB for the VooDoo. That was a crushing blow to my Karney legend.
What you have to do is to turn his little body over so that when he does get it, he lands on his head and he doesn’t come back in for a while." -- Gregg Williams on Steve Smith.
both sides ....
I know …
this is the Offensive MVP,
but I think it’s important that we look at both sides of the ball as I believe both are part and parcel to scoring points …
finishing games and being where we are at the half way point.
First off …
hats off to our D and Greg Williams as the tenacious and opportunistic way they are playing. It’s every bit as important as having the pass and offensive running options that we are fortunate to have this year.
Okay …
now back to the “O”.
No doubt about it, Jahri Evans has been steady and a great anchor but Drew Brees is the single most important offensive talent we have. Make no mistake he is driving this offensive tank and while he does need his line to protect him and give him time to operate, he is nothing short of a genius tactician and something special to watch.
He reads the defense like few in the game and his ability to audible and check down is unparalleled. Yes he and the team have had issues securing the ball over the last few games but it’s important to realize that when the offense in general is being pressured, the ball handler is more apt to fumble or turnover the pigskin. Hey, he has it in his hands each and every time he is under center … so the math makes sense.
It’s a real credit to the coaching staff, how the team has been able to make necessary adjustments at half time that have resulted in a notable improvement in protecting the ball and in taking back control of the game. The fourth quarter point differential stat; 91-18 is proof positive just how great an organization the Saints are.
What it all comes down too …
is having a great …
GREAT team made up of great individuals who are paying the price and thinking only of the great things the team can do this year.
Hey, M Colston could be amongst the league leaders in yardage, TD’s and every other receiver stat they track. He is a monster and has paid off in spades, especially considering the lack of attention he garnered at the draft. Nothing short of robbery to get him in the seventh round!!!
While Marcus is a primary target, he knows that he is just one cog, one part of our dangerous offensive unit. The entire team knows that Drew and coach Payton change direction and gears like a teenager on a ten speed. It keeps our opponents guessing and helps sustain offensive drives while keeping opposing defenses on the field.
Yes, in my opinion Brees is the MVP.
He does more than the obvious like throwing for over 300 yards each and every game. He carries the hopes and the responsibility of team success on an off the field.
The guy is a gem, and the heart and soul of the entire WHO DAT Nation. Case and point, his promise to coach Payton and the subsequent plunge into the end zone just before halftime vs. the Dolphins. How big was that play and how would the game have ended and in turn how would the Saints have played in the coming weeks had we lost to Miami???
He leads by example, both with his god given athletic ability and just as importantly by sucking it up and doing what is necessary to win when things are looking just plain ugly on the field.
He is all too aware that success is never guaranteed and very seldom attained without a little blood sweat and tears and the offense and team in general follow his lead.
to be clear
I should have been more specific, but I’m basically saying that Jahri Evans has played at a higher level more consistently than Drew Brees this season. Of course, no one is debating the fact that the Saints can absorb an injury to Evans more so than they can absorb an injury to Drew Brees. That’s a given. That has as much to do with the depth at a position as anything else, but of course the quarterback position is the most instrumental in Sean Payton’s offense. That said, just because the Saints can afford a Brees injury less, it doesn’t mean that Brees has performed on a higher level more consistently. Based on that, Evans my offensive MVP of the 1st half of the season. I don’t base it on theoretical injuries, I base it on performance.
Let me make thise clear
In no way i’m i bashing Bree’s but he to me has caused some of those problems.If asked who is the best player on the team by far id say Brees.In my honest oppinion though if Brees doesn’t have 8 fumbles in three games id say all three game would have been 40 points or more with a 20 point victory margin,and none of them would have been giveing us heart attacks the whole way.Thomas how ever even when he wasn’t makeing game changing plays(or when bell was) he was still chipping away still wearing em done still makeing people look like fools if they tried to takle him.Still getting that 4-5 yards a play
MVP
has to be Brees just by definition alone. Most VALUABLE player. Sure you need 11 guys playing well to be successful. One person can’t do it alone. Football is the ultimate TEAM sport. That’s what makes it the greatest game in the world. But when you are talking MVP you have to look at who would cause the biggest drop off if they weren’t there and that without question is Drew Brees. And we are just talking about the Saints. Heck, Drew Brees is probably second in the LEAGUE for MVP voting. I CONSTANTLY have one’s in my pocket and I’d rather lose one of those than the occasional hundred dollar bill. Ok bad example but it’s kind of funny though.
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