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Atlanta Falcons 27 @ New Orleans Saints 35: The View from Section 140

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This one was a nail-biter. That's me, on the right, making my Monday Night Football debut courtesy of NYSaint. You can catch it for yourself right around the Jonathan Goodwin injury late in the game.

Just a few quick notes because it's very late at night. These ought to get the conversation going. I will let you guys do the rest of the talking. My personal pictures and the game thread roll call are after the jump.

  • My voice is gone. The crowd was raucous and loud. And drunk. 
  • Anyone else starting to get worried about how long this is going to last? I'm not trying to be a downer and 7-0 is pretty freakin' sweet but injuries alone might do the Saints in, let alone the usual bad luck.
  • It's a damn good thing the Saints have a secondary they can rely on. Did I just say that? What a difference a year Gregg Williams makes.
  • I think it's time to start having the Garrett Hartley discussion.
  • I found out that my seats are next to WWL media seats. 
  • Sloppy play in a lot of areas. The turnovers have got to be cleaned up. 
  • David Thomas was announced as the starting fullback. Is that what we're calling him now?
  • Reggie Bush was the only Saints running back not to fumble. Just thought I would throw that out there. He looked good. 
  • The Saints pulled out a win with the black pants. And broke the Sports Illustrated curse. Nice.
  • The weak Panthers are next on the schedule. Can the Saints go back to just kicking other teams asses by 21 points. I thought that was kinda fun and certainly less stressful.

Star-divide

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The pre-game crowd. 

 

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Die-hards getting fans pumped up as they walk into the Dome. 

 

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Hair art. 

 

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Hispanic television sans the usual scantily clad hot chick. 

 

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It will steal your soul. 

 

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Hell, it's becoming tradition now. 

 

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Fujita was taking notes. 

  

Here's the roll-call. Huge amount of comments. Glad the overflow thread was useful. Thanks to everyone. 

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Name# of Posts
SaintShark 201
SpindianSaints 135
Steve the fan 110
metryman 108
benm316 99
BigTMill 77
N_O_1saintfan 76
Just Some Guy 66
alcoholic_insight 63
xen-cuts 61
dsharp 50
MobileSaint 50
AllSaintsDay 44
SaintBevo 33
SaintsFan-KS 32
Dan39465 32
slumD 22
FriarBob 20
WarWolf 18
jful 14
AKAY47 14
saintsfan77 13
pukenbowl 11
satchmo26 10
skinnykinney 9
MattHaggard 8
FrenchFreak 8
Dave the Falconer 7
Ace Venom 7
nanvinnie 5
CFHTim 4
HansDat 4
HB-NOLA 3
pbradley018 3
MtnExile 3
Hooahsaint 2
BayouRebel 2
footballninja 2
smittydasaint 2
mississippisaintsfan 2
HALO N BRIMSTONE 2
Brazil meets LA 2
carolinasaintsfan 2
LSU FAN 1
Realsaint 1
Ponysaints 1
Zoltar 1
Nate W 1
Poll
Who was the Saints player of the game?
Drew Brees
75 votes
Pierre Thomas
50 votes
Tracy Porter
51 votes
Marques Colston
105 votes
Jeremy Shockey
51 votes
Jabari Greer
118 votes

450 votes | Poll has closed

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why

didnt we go in victory formation with less than two minutes left?

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 6:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

They had time outs left.

This is OUR year!! Yea, I said it. Who Dat!!!

by Big and Easy on Nov 3, 2009 6:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good question

No check that – excellent question. The only thing I can think is they figured they could get a first down with three runs. But after they stuffed the first run, change your mind!

Okay now my question. What was wrong with Chuckwagon Grant last night? My wife, who knows NOTHING about football commented on him loafing! Okay, she heard me screaming at the TV for lardass to do something. She walked in and watched two plays and said you mean #94? YES!! I can’t complain too much about the defense as a whole considering they were playing ten on eleven all game.

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 7:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Part of the problem was the injury

The Saints were going to run three running plays with Atlanta calling one timeout. This would have run a 1:20 off the clock and left less than 30 seconds or so.

When Goodwin went down on 1st down, the timeout that Atlanta was going to call was charged instead to New Orleans (injury in the last two minutes of game). This meant that Atlanta could use their timout on 2nd down. Then the Saints fumbled on 3rd.

by Monkey Poop Battle on Nov 3, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the deal

The Saints had a first down with 1:42 left and an eleven-point lead. Atlanta had one time-out. If the Saints knelt on first down, Atlanta would have burned that time out. That would have left about 1:40. On second down, we kneel, and the clock winds down to 1:00. On third, we kneel, and the clock winds down to :20. On fourth down, we do whatever…because Atlanta needs two scores, plus a successful on-side kick, in only 20 seconds.

Instead, Payton chose to run the ball…resulting not only in Goodwin’s injury but a fumble that gave Atlanta new life after only burning 19 seconds off the clock.

This was monumental ineptitude. We’re talking Andy Reid brain-fart incompetence here. What was going on in Payton’s head I will never understand, because this was literally a no-brainer. Kneeling down should have been a reflex action at that point.

And what the hell is going on with the line breaks now? Doesn’t SBNation test their changes before they go live with them!?

Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston

by MtnExile on Nov 3, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i was extremely drunk at that point

and i thought the same thing, why werent we in victory formation, no brainer. andy reid did come to mind when that happened too!! ha!

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at it two ways

Yes, the defense did great to step up and make plays when the offense couldn’t.

And yes, that is what good teams do – find ways to win no matter what happens.

But if we keep playing like this, then the 5-0 start with “big wins” (where we lead early and cruise) becomes the aberration and the close games we barely win become the norm and when will the magic run out?

Good win – whenever we play the Falcons, it has potential to be a MEMORABLE one. Nice work, Saints!

"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray

by HansDat on Nov 3, 2009 7:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Also

Did anyone else think on Brees’ sack/fumble/TD return that maybe the sacker’s helmet hit Drew’s facemask. And isn’t that supposed to be a penalty (like when Vilma conked Eli and it nullified a Sharper pick 6?)?

That 68-yard TD pass from Ryan to White was a joke – White bumped Porter then pushed him off to get clearance to make the catch – a textbook case of offensive pass interference that I cannot comprehend how the ref 5 yards away did not call. And I am sick of the media calling that an awesome catch that showcases White’s amazing ability as a receiver – he effin’ cheated on that play to get open, so, no, it is not an awesome throw and catch.

Those refs were sooo tentative and late in blowing the whistle to end plays in the second half. It was maddening. Did you see when Colston made a catch and then was surrounded by Falcons, wrapped up, and forward progress completely stopped, and they held one of his legs up in the air as they swiped at the ball? The refs were late in blowing the whistle, and then after they finally did, that one guy did not let go of his leg and then rode him to the ground? That was cheap and should have been flagged. But it was nice seeing Reggie run in that scrum and flex up for Colston.

7-0, baby. That is sweet. Go Saints!!!

"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray

by HansDat on Nov 3, 2009 7:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hope the league reviews this crew

I know the NFL grades and critiques each crew’s for every week. They cannot get anything but reprimanded for their work last night. From missing the helmet-to-helmet call on the sack/fumble/TD to adding time to the clock then taking it off then adding it back on. I’m curious to see if the DB that hit Brees on that play gets the mandatory fine. That’ll be the only way we’ll know the league agrees they blew the call.

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 8:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The officiating was bad

They seemed to be pro-Atlanta, but the Falcons couldn’t even win the game with the officials appearing to be on their side. A bunch of thugs, those dirty birds are.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 3, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Accept your win with dignity

The officiating crew was awful, granted. I mean, the clock operator was drunk and the obvious missed calls that were overruled; it was not officiating’s finest hour. But to say those refs were pro-Atlanta is pretty ridiculous and to call the Falcons thugs is uncalled for.

Just because the Falcons made your team look vulnerable and should have won the game, doesn’t mean you need to distort what happened. Congratulations on the win and what appears to be an insurmountable division lead.

by Cracker! on Nov 3, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Falcons DID make our team look vulnerable

…but “should have won the game”? That’s taking things a little far. They didn’t win the game, so “should” is kinda iffy. If Payton hadn’t had an aneurysm in the last two minutes, we would have simply knelt down and your offense wouldn’t have seen the field again until there was only 20 seconds left.

Lotta ifs to go around…and if some of them had gone our way, the score would have been more like 45-24.

Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston

by MtnExile on Nov 3, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen, Cracker.

There were some bad calls going both ways, but I didn’t think the officiating crew was that bad. It’s a tough job.

Congrats to the Saints, who I thought were very classy in their win. I generally despise Shockey, but I was happy that he seemed to avoid the immature showboating that I’m used to seeing out of him. That bumped him up a notch on my respect scale.

Regarding the Falcons being “a bunch of thugs,” I think you are way off. There has been a concerted effort to get rid of the thugs and create a team of high character guys. I’m not saying that we’re perfect, but I believe we’re less “thuggish” than the average NFL team.

Yes – Roddy White got away with pass interference on that big play. Happy?

Does anyone here agree that the announcers were annoying gushing over the Saints? I know you probably feel the same way about how the media loves Matt Ryan – but boy, were the tables turned last night. It made me sick. Sorry if we’re ever annoying talking about how great Matt Ryan is.

I’m proud of our team for fighting for the whole 60 minutes against an excellent team. I came into this praying that we didn’t get totally blown out by an outstanding team, and left hopeful that we have a legitimate shot at winning our rematch.

Congrats guys, you have a great team. Keep representing the NFC South! Here’s looking forward to our second match-up.

by TomQ on Nov 3, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

White bumped him with his body, which is never going to be called, as long as he’s looking back for the ball, which he was. If you want to want “a textbook case of offensive pass interference”, try the blatant two-handed shove-off-and-catch Devery made along the opposite sideline a bit earlier.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch the replay

White clearly has his hand on Greer’s back and extends his arm to separate. That is textbook offensive pass interference. Which I wouldn’t mind so much but they had just called it earlier on Devery. The only differences being that Dev used both hands and was facing the defender.

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 8:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

They did NOT call it on Devery.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what?

they did flag devery for pi?

but i agree the white/greer play is a typical no call

I see what you got...Lets rock - Al Bundy

by knucklesmalone on Nov 3, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two different plays

You’re talking about the play immediately prior to Grimes’s interception:

2-11-ATL 28 (4:27) D.Brees pass short right to D.Henderson to ATL 20 for 8 yards (B.Grimes).
PENALTY on NO-D.Henderson, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at ATL 28 – No Play.

I’m talking about the catch along the left sidelines, a of play couple plays before Reggie’s TD:

1-10-ATL 28 (1:56) D.Brees pass deep left to D.Henderson to ATL 4 for 24 yards (C.Houston). Pass 24, Catch 0 P14
The Replay Assistant challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld.

The replay upheld the catch, because Henderson landed on his butt inbounds. It was a legitimate catch. Prior to making the catch, however, he pushed off on Houston. Blatantly. And he wasn’t called for it.

I’m not complaining, obviously. Just saying his was a far more clear-cut example of a blown offensive pass interference call (or non-call, as the case may be), than White’s.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just watched the replay several times and there’s no referee in the NFL that would have ruled that offensive pass interference on White. He’s looking back for the ball the entire time and barely bumps Greer (not Porter) less than a second before the ball arrives. Further, Greer begins to stumble before contact is even made (watch his feet). There most certainly is no intentional shove to gain separation. Even if he had completely run up the back of Greer, they’re not going to call that. That’s incidental contact. If it was a Saints WR we’re talking about, there’s no doubt in my mind we’d be in complete agreement on the play.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

I just found it on my DVR and you were right White was looking back for the ball and more stuck out his left hand to feel where Greer was. I’m a man who can admit when he’s wrong. My bad.

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 10:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Unbiased analysis

Kudos, because this is dead on.

by Cracker! on Nov 4, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big running backs KILL us

We bounced off Turner like… like… (can anyone help me out here?…I got nothin’)

But it’s good that we broke Atlanta’s “we’re unbeaten when Turner goes over 100 yards” streak.

"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray

by HansDat on Nov 3, 2009 7:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That was a fun game to watch

and I expected no less from our teams on MNF. However, as a Falcon fan, can I nominate whoever tipped Ryans pass to Greer (Villama I think) as player of the game. Without that Gonzo is probley in the endzone with a TD.

In Dimitroff we trust

by Bonhoffer on Nov 3, 2009 8:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i looked at it a couple times

i dont think that tony g would have caught it

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t know where porter would’ve been if it didn’t get tipped but if vilma doesn’t get a hand on it then its going right to tony g. porter still might have broken it up. the pick by grimes was one of the best plays i’ve seen all year though

I see what you got...Lets rock - Al Bundy

by knucklesmalone on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well that settles it

random saints fan says it probably wasn’t possible, I’m sold.

Yes, Vilma made the play of the game right there. Ryan tried to squeeze one in there and was just another poor decision to add to the lot yesterday night.

by Cracker! on Nov 3, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

obviously it would have been a td

according to some random atlanta fan. porter was ready to jump that route. have fun trying to get a wild card.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Porter had

a good angle, might have got the pick anyway Gonzo was pinned to the sideline,still HAPPY with result…. I’ll take it….

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else?

When ESPN zoomed in on the &%^$ guy holding the 7-0 sign with 2 minutes left, I nearly came out of my 88 jersey. Did this guy’s space ship just land. As soon as I saw that I told my son that we were in trouble. And sure enough the last 1:51 or 1:56 or whatever the refs decided on unfolded. All long term Saints fans know that you don’t temp the “Bite You In The Butt” Gods like that.

A SAINT in Panther country

by carolinasaintsfan on Nov 3, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Vilma my MVP

That pass he tipped that was intercepted in the red zone by Porter was the play of the game in my mind. If not for that, the Birds were about to score and take back the lead. My heart couldn’t have handled that in the 4th quarter.

The penalties have to be cleaned up. The Falcons played a near perfect game in that regard. That holding penalty they had on Reggie to keep the drive going for us was a stroke of good luck. That was an iffy looking call. That scoring drive would have ended right there without it.

Overall, the Saints looked a little sloppy in some areas. The absence of Ellis and Evans seemed to have more effect than I anticipated. Our run game didn’t look as good as before and Turner gashed us on too many runs. We’re fortunate to get this W. Still, I’m optimistic that Eckel will be better and more effective with another week of practice under his belt. The same goes for the run defense without Big Sed.

Beware the Panthers. They showed some life in Arizona and will probably give us another physical game.

"He has got a good ol' boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol' boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,"--Gregg Williams describing Bill Johnson. The D WILL ROCK THIS YEAR!

by satchmo26 on Nov 3, 2009 8:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree

But don’t discount the loss of Fujita also.

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 8:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Fujita can't come back soon enough

We’re really only a few wins away from saying we’re safely in the playoffs, but I’d like Fujita to be playing in as many of those games as possible. Home field advantage through the playoffs would be great and shouldn’t be ignored. Sedrick Ellis, with his 4-6 weeks, hurts a lot, but at least this happened early enough in the season when he could be back helping us in the final stretch of the season and into the playoffs. This team is finding ways to win, so if it can hold together and get healthy, they’ll be fine.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 3, 2009 8:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I gathered from this game … as much as Shanle and Fujita’s reactionary skills may suck in both run support and pass coverage, Mitchell, Casillas and Dunbar’s are just as poor. We need wholesale upgrades at the OLB position. It is a glaring weakness, imo.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ugh hm Derrick Brooks

Bringing families together through incorrect grammar and incoherent thoughts, don't mention it. It's what I do.

by asaint on Nov 3, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more.

Well maybe I could agree a little more if you didn’t say “just as poor”. I think they are worse. A lot of those big runs can be put on their names. I was all about seeing some more of Dunbar but I think I saw enough last night. We definitely need some new OLB’s.

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson

by vicvega26 on Nov 3, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha

What’s funny is that I completely recognize the point in the game where the screenshot of you was taken. Not because of you. But because I’m pretty sure that the woman holding that Krewe of Drew sign in the picture is particularly hot. You never mentioned that particular benefit about your season seats.

by Monkey Poop Battle on Nov 3, 2009 8:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

the View from my Couch

1. Jon Gruden is a joke, not a joker. Is it really necessary to have a third person in the booth? If someone says something that is not funny, but everyone in the booth laughs at it because they have to, and keeps bringing it up and talking about how funny it is, does it then somehow beome funny at some point in time?

2. Stuart Scott needs to do his homework. Is he the only one in the Dome (or in America) who cannot recognize the fans chanting “Who Dat?”, not its oft-bastardized cousin of the Bengals, “Who Dey?” And if I had to listen to him talk about Jabari Green one more time, I was going to have to slit the wrists.

3. You lose some cred when you put on Matt Millen for his football expertise. Though he may have had a valid point when he said Saints should have simply taken a knee late, but it wasn’t as clear-cut as he made it seem. ATL had a timeout, and Saints were trying to get a first down. No reason to think the Saints couldn’t get it.

4. The no-interference call on Roddy White was a joke (again not a joker), but especially when you compare it to the flag on Devery Henderson in the first half just before Brees INT.

5. Waiting to hear news on the Goodwin injury. That one scares me. It did not look good. Good heads up by Drew to get to the sideline and take some snaps from Nesbit as Goodwin was helped off.

6. Lighten up everyone. We turned the ball over, couldn’t stop the run, and still beat the consensus preseason division champ by 8 points.

7. That said, the 0 on the end of the record is wholly unimportant. It’s not like college. You get nothing for it in the NFL. Ask the Patriots. It looks like this “undefeated” thing is starting to wear on this team a bit already. A nice 13-3, and most importantly, home-field throughout the playoffs, I will gladly take at this point.

Being a Saints fan will take years off your life

by MobileSaint on Nov 3, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

They're saying Goodwyn's injury

is just a contusion (deep bruise). He should be okay.

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 8:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what I thought

helmet to knee cap would hurt me,you or anybody including a NFL lineman,wheeeew, no more injuries pleeeeze

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They're saying Goodwyn's injury

is just a contusion (deep bruise). He should be okay.

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 8:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

Didn’t mean to double post

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 8:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

its good news

well worth the double post. i love nesbit, but they need goody in there

on the topic of OL…how bout by boy stinchcomb’s block for PT’s leaping TD? a great looking play from an under-rated anchor on our OL, it helped us win the game, AND helped me win my fantasy game! WHO DAT??!?!?!

by NYSaint on Nov 3, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It looked terrible on tv! Terrible.

I’m scared until I hear he’s practicing.

by xen-cuts on Nov 3, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It looked to me like a knee hyperexension

That’s happened to me before, and it’s agonizing for about a minute. Then the pain fades, and after a few hours you can hardly remember it.

Of course, mine didn’t happen because a 300-lb. NFL lineman crashed into me, either.

Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston

by MtnExile on Nov 3, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All I know is that I want Matt Millen's agent

The guy practically destroys the Detroit Lions and gets to be a football analyst.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 3, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

how does that guy have a job?

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It really just proves to you the sort of people that ESPN will take

Steve Phillips at least had an NL pennant and he was quite the moron.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 3, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is he just a really nice guy, and has a bunch of friends everywhere?

how can you take him seriously, is he full of football wisdom that other people should be hearing about?

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Until I know otherwise, I assume Matt Millen is a good guy

He seems like it. His track record just shows how bad of a football man he is.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 3, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the dude had to look at his notes to see that the colts were the undefeated team in the afc. i can’t take him serious about anything he say cause all i think about is how much damage he did to the lions.

I see what you got...Lets rock - Al Bundy

by knucklesmalone on Nov 3, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really, What Gives Matt Millen the right to say anything about Football?

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2. Stuart Scott needs to do his homework. Is he the only one in the Dome (or in America) who cannot recognize the fans chanting "Who Dat?", not its oft-bastardized cousin of the Bengals, "Who Dey?" And if I had to listen to him talk about Jabari Green one more time, I was going to have to slit the wrists.

Gov Jindal should ban that idiot from entering the state. How long has “WHO DAT?” been around? Or was it intentional? Was he trying to disrespect the great fans of the New Orleans Saints?

Before you pick your Super Bowl winner ask yourself this: Can you name an offense that can keep pace with the Saints?- Jerome Bettis

by Dan39465 on Nov 3, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No I think he is just that dumb

by andyp111 on Nov 3, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

everybody jumps on reggies back, so

i think we need to point out that hes not the only one putting the ball on the ground.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 8:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

A lot of that comes his status as a #2 draft pick

You’re going to catch a lot of crap if you don’t produced at those perceived levels, but at least Bush is no Ryan Leaf. He looks like he can have a decent NFL career.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 3, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the fact

he’s lowering the shoulder and taking on tacklers instead of running out of bounds. And going in to fight for Colston!! Way to go Reg!!

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 8:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Reggie got a lot of props from me for stepping up for his teammate

He’s being a team player and stuff like that only helps make teams closer.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 3, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I rec'd it.

I’ll admit to not being Reggie’s biggest fan, but I was proud of him last night. I wish he’d play like that every game.

Forget the nickel and dime, you'd better bring a half- dollar to deal with this team.--Tony Moss, NFL editor

by SaintsFan-KS on Nov 3, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont care

if its our undrafted free agents or our #2 overall, we cannot put the ball on the ground

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas fumble

The refs were out of their mind last night, but I was curious why we weren’t able to keep that fumble.

The replay showed the fumble and then Thomas grabbing it at the bottom of the pile up. He should have been down there, with the recovery. Instead they let it continue into a clusterF and they pull the ball away. Why can’t they look at that in the replay? The same camera that shows the fumble shows us recovering it.

by Juncti on Nov 3, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same thing

Supposedly, if a play is reviewable, every aspect is reviewable (except they can’t call a penalty). Thomas was on the ground, in possession of the ball, touched by an opposing player. Why isn’t that a recovery?

Unless, of course, the refs are just morons. Which Triplette is, apparently.

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by MtnExile on Nov 3, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

I said the same thing to my wife as we were watching! He clearly recovered the ball with his knee on the ground and was touched by the opposing team. Should have ended at that point!

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by SaintsFanMD on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't understand that either.

But then I didn’t understand a lot of the calls were made (and not made) last night. What a horrible crew.

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by SaintsFan-KS on Nov 3, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Same here, Thomas' arms were around the ball

guess one of those “Dirty Birds” gave him “The Business” under the pile ,ref’s were out of position all night same with PT’s fumble, and the White no TD in the end zone,that ref was 5 ft away.

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by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugly as sin, but I'll take it

The offense(and Drew Brees in particular) is waay overrated right now, in my opinion. The O-line gets softer every game, Drew is taking too long and not seeing blitzes like normal, and a ton of his passes looked bad. He got away with a pretty good statistical game by way of a series of acrobatic catches by the receivers. The running game is still working, though, but now we’ll have to see how Goodwin is doing after that retarded decision to run three with a minute and a half left. And they have to learn to wrap the ball up, especially in the fourth quarter, when you’re really just bleeding the clock.

I miss Billy Miller and Heath Evans so much. The founder of Wendys is terrible, and he’s just getting worse. It was great(sarc.) to watch him line up like a receiver in the backfield as fullback, then dart through the line and block a safety before the back has even gotten past the guards. And his “Hands Team” play was just magical.

Vilma’s tipped pass was his saving move to me. He wasn’t particularly effective otherwise. Harper on Gonzalez was painful to watch. And somehow, the DB leg tackle was the only thing we had to stop Turner. And while no one seems like an adequate replacement for Fujita right now, Dunbar was the best of the bunch. At least he had some positive plays out there. But overall, the OLB’s were immensely weak.

I think my player of the game would be either the Fresh Prince or Hargrove. They were both on fire last night. Don’t know what happened to Grant, but at least Smith woke up when it mattered.

I’ve been thinking the Saints have been uncharacteristically lucky with the refs a lot this year, but the refs definitely turned on them last night. Won’t bother complaining too much about the refs, but I will say they stink, worst officiating crew in pro sports, and that it felt like a bad sign last night to have the usual 11-on-17 sense that I always had in the previous 25 years of watching. And also, it looks like both Brady rules worked to the Falcon’s advantage last night. Ryan kept the ball on that “forward pass” that was definitely not a fumble or grounding, and Brees doesn’t get to be in the club of qb’s that can’t be hit helmet-to-helmet, incidental or no.

Ugly. Made my dinner come up watching that game at times. But they made plays when they needed them, and ended all the statistical streaks the 1.5 year-old Hotlanta regime had amassed. Kudos, and thanks. And THANK GOD FOR THE SAINTS’ SECONDARY!! What?

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by FuSoYa on Nov 3, 2009 8:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My main problem with our guys...

We lacked the ability to stop Turner from bouncing it to the outside. In my opinion Charles Grant had a horrible game. Every time Turner cut to his side it seemed he was turned the wrong way and let the lineman redirect him so that his back was to the ball. We were actually filling the middle fairly effectively,but on 3 huge running plays (2 on Grant, 1 on Smith) it looked like our DEs failed to seal the edges and let Turner run right by them. That has to get better.

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by VAsaintsfan on Nov 3, 2009 8:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes,

My hubby was pointing out the same thing about our ends.

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by SaintsFan-KS on Nov 3, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

awkward silence

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by MobileSaint on Nov 3, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Turner showed more quicks to the outside

than we thought? Grant was held most of the night, tackled a few times actually. He lost contain a couple times. Can’t be to hard on him…

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by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The worst tackle of the night

was one that actually worked. Anyone else catch Tracy Porter’s shoulder lean cleanup along the sidelines late in the game? Absolutely HORRENDOUS form. He didn’t even attempt to wrap up. Had the receiver — may have been Stecker, I can’t recall — not been off-balance, he would have likely run 70-some-odd yards for the game-tying TD.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i remember that play. i was like wtf was that. he just shoulder blocked him and the guy fell down and porter was walking away before he even hit the ground. maybe his head still hurt from the shot he took from sharper?

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by knucklesmalone on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Saw it too

Wango Tango Foxtrot, some of these small CB’s need to wrap up ankles and knees, especially v. taller WR’s. When GW sees the tape he’ll tell’em something.

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by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If we are to vote on pure effort

and impact then my choice isn’t on the ballot. I give a write-in vote to Will Smith.

by WhoDat_OH on Nov 3, 2009 9:01 AM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Will Smith is my choice also. Does anyone know who got to Ryan on the hail mary at the end of the game. They didn’t show the play, but when Ryan came off the field he looked like he had been smoked.

A SAINT in Panther country

by carolinasaintsfan on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hargrove whacked him just as he released it.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

A SAINT in Panther country

by carolinasaintsfan on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I tell you what....

Kudos to the guy that intercepted Brees. That guy has an amazing verticle. In fact, that’s all we could talk about for about 20 minutes after it happened.

by jack_casse on Nov 3, 2009 9:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that was an exceptional play by Grimes. He made a couple of other ones throughout the course of the game, as well. Definitely seems like a player with a ton of upside.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

To be honest, I don’t know much about the guy at all. Just looked him up and he went undrafted out of Shippensburg, so that doesn’t really surprise me. All I know is that I noticed #20 making several big time plays for the Falcons last night.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That guy

almost hit his head on the roof of the Dome. That was freakin’ awesome! I mean I officially hate the guy because it looked like that would have been a TD if he didn’t jump 27 feet in the air but it was awesome!

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by vicvega26 on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope Goodwin is all right..

I know Jamar Nesbit can fill in perfectly fine, but Goodwin is much better.. Same goes for Lance Moore, but my dude Meachem had a good game last night, making a huge catch before the two minute warning in the 2nd quarter.. Big win, Carolina up next, let’s do this thaaangg

WHOOOOO DAAAAAAAAAT!

by AKAY47 on Nov 3, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Marvin Mitchell, Darnell Dinkins and John Carney should all be running extra laps this week. I honestly haven’t seen enough out of any one of these guys this entire season, to merit their spots on the roster and I liked Dinkins a lot with the Browns. All three were liabilities last night.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see a win but I have a few points to make

1.) Need to stop the running game (see last 2 games)
2.) O-Line has to protect Drew better…from the beginning on!
3.) Stop fumbling!
4.) Calling for Carneys head because of 1 missed FG is overreacting
5.) If we continue to play like this someone is bound to beat us…my tip Pats, ATL at home or the Cowgirls
6.) I stated before the game if ATL looses then the fans will say it was because of their long list of injured players…..I forgot about the refs as a scapegoat. :-)

by shecky on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

“4.) Calling for Carneys head because of 1 missed FG is overreacting”

He also missed a FG and a PAT last week. Wasn’t his “un-Hartley-like” accuracy the selling point that warranted his sticking around beyond Garrett’s suspension? Being that Hartley has never missed a FG or PAT as a Saint, I suppose “un-Hartley-like” is an accurate description of what we’re being afforded in return.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's pre-season

doesn’t count

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by Saintsational on Nov 3, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True, but never when anything meaningful was on the line. Had Hartley not been such a dumbass with his pill-popping, I’d say there’s a good chance Carney would have wound up being signed by the Colts, in lieu of Matt Stover. Had that happened, we could very well be the only undefeated team in the league right now, considering Stover went 4-of-4 on FGs in a close win over the 49ers.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Coldpizza is right

Carney has missed more than one. It appears he’s slipping. If he was a stock, wouldn’t you want to get rid of him now before it gets worse.

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by Saintsational on Nov 3, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the problem Carney or Mark Brunel?

The only thing that causes me to give some benefit of the doubt to Carney is the problems we’ve seen on the snap on hold. As we saw last week on the missed extra point, all it takes is a slight deviation of the routine and timing to cause the kicker to miss. I understand how Payton wants a QB out there to hold so he’ll have the option to fake and throw if necessary, but this could really hurt us in the future. Hartley may have the same problems if he gets his job back.

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by satchmo26 on Nov 3, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

brunell did it all last year and i don’t remember him being the problem with the kicking game? who knows.

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by knucklesmalone on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

If I remember correctly, Payton has always had the punter hold. I think this is Brunell’s first year doing this.

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by satchmo26 on Nov 3, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

combination of both

Weatherford, Pakulak and Harrington all placeheld last season. This is Brunell’s first year serving in that capacity. For the Saints, anyway.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“Hartley may have the same problems if he gets his job back.”

Then we’d still be better off, as we wouldn’t be wasting the extra roster spot.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if Hartley is better...

we should hold on to Carney. With the frustrations we’ve seen over the past three seasons with the kicking game, I’d much rather have that roster spot occupied by another kicking option. I’m all for giving Hartley another shot as long as they don’t release Carney prematurely.

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by satchmo26 on Nov 3, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I don’t know how much worse Hartley could be, but Carney is stinking it up now, and that extra roster spot sounds a lot more useful than him right now.

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by FuSoYa on Nov 3, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dont get me wrong

i agree with yall, i would def be screaming “sell! sell! sell!” if he was a stock. the pat last week was on brunell though…

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Bro´

If poor or faulty play in the last 2 games were the criteria to throw a dude out the window then their would be a few more on this team that would need to go aswell. My point is that it´s not that far yet and he needs to get a chance or 2 before we start calling for his head. If the tables were turned and Hartley were having theses prob.s with Carney in the wings would you then be calling to replace Hartley aswell?

by shecky on Nov 3, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he should be thrown out the window

but doesn’t Hartley deserve a chance to win back his job. Isn’t two missed FG’s and an extra point enough cause?

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by Saintsational on Nov 3, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's missed two PAT's this year I think.

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by vicvega26 on Nov 3, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a tough game, but here are some notes:

1) Look at how much the Falcons got away with when it came to non-calls by the refs (helmet to helmet on the Brees fumble is an example) and favorable calls from them. That score shouldn’t have been as close at it was. The officiating was downright lousy in that game and the Saints should have blown the Falcons out in this game.
2) Carney missed one field goal, but Elam missed two for the Falcons last night. Missed field goals hurt, but they hurt more when you miss more.
3) The game plan seemed to be not to let Matt Ryan beat them, which was smart. Take away the TD awarded to the Falcons when a properly called penalty for helmet to helmet contact and all of a sudden, this game isn’t close. The Saints defense forced Matt Ryan to make bad throws like they’ve been doing to QBs all season.
4) Special teams is still a problem as seen on the onside kick play.
5) Our injuries haven’t helped. Fujita can’t come back soon enough. Ellis won’t be back around until the final stretch.
6) Williams has a lot of work to do. The Saints gave up too much on the ground, something they’ll need to file away for future games (including the game at Atlanta).

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Nov 3, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

officiating was horrible

for both teams. vilma shoulda been hit for PI on greer’s pick six, the phantom defensive holding call on reggie when it was 3rd and 5….etc. it was a masterful game by triplett and crew.

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by knucklesmalone on Nov 3, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

That holding call was the one that had us all up in arms. The helmet to helmet on the Brees fumble, as much as that fumble was obviously great for us, was a missed call.

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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 3, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i didnt see it from the stands

but i pisses me off that somebody barely touches brady and theres a call, but nothing on an all out helmet to helmet that resulted in a fumble and td.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

iffy

Helmet-to-helmet isn’t typically called during the course of a sack or tackle, unless the end of the play results from the contact itself, or the contact appears to be intentional. The Vilma call a few weeks back was after the ball had already been released, albeit moments before. In instances such as that, intent is pretty much out the window. As a defensive player, you’re supposed to let up. In any case, had the Falcons player led with his crown (as Vilma did) or not been draped all over the QB simultaneously (whereupon some helmet-to-helmet contact is practically inevitable), then yes, it probably would have been called. If there was absolutely no discretion involved, you’d have helmet-to-helmet being called on just about every sack, fumble pile up, etc., there is.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You can split hairs with the best

Watch both of the plays in question, and tell me that one guy is “leading with the helmet” more or less than the other. If one is a penalty, they both are. The only possibly pertinent difference is the fact that Manning let the ball go an instant before contact. Doesn’t change the intent or trajectory of Vilma, or whatever Falcon that was. They were both “incidental”, or not trying to harm the qb, and they were both penalties.

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by FuSoYa on Nov 3, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the ONLY pertinent difference. Once Manning (or any QB) follows through on the passing attempt, all eyes are peeled for such infractions. That’s when they’re most closely monitored/enforced, what have you. In these two specific instances, I really don’t think intent has anything to do with it, though I DO think Vilma led with his helmet moreso (albeit unintentionally). The crux here being that one was committed during a period of lesser tolerance, i.e., post-pass, i.e., when the QB is supposedly most vulnerable to concussions, etc. QBs aren’t the only players protected by the helmet-to-helmet rule, but they ARE the only players protected by QB protection rules. Let’s say Manning had pitched to Bradshaw, who then attempted a halfback option, which was intercepted by Sharper and run back for a TD. Had Vilma made the same (presumably incidental) helmet-to-helmet contact with Bradshaw on the play, I doubt seriously it would have been called. Conversely QBs with the football still in their possession are pretty much fair game, unless it’s flat out blatant unnecessary roughness.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In layman’s terms, QBs are ALWAYS treated with kid gloves, but that special treatment tends to get multiplied tenfold once they let go of a pass. Not saying that’s right or wrong, it’s just the way it is.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My point is, by drawing that line between releasing the ball and not, the refs are reintroducing the very subjectivity they were trying to rule out by enforcing the black/white “helmet contact equals personal foul” calls they decided on this year. To illustrate, Vilma was fined $10,000 by the league for his hit. He left the ground before Manning had let go of the ball, and made essentially innocuous contact with his helmet. Result: personal foul, pick-6 negated, ten grand out of pocket. Hopefully, everyone learns a lesson about the value of Eli’s skull, and by association, the skulls of all NFL qb’s. Cut to this week. Dirt E. Byrd(I don’t know the player’s name, and don’t care to look) takes essentially the same trajectory on Brees, makes the same kind of contact, if anything a bit higher and more dangerous. Only, this time, Brees is not yet in the motion of throwing the ball. Result: fumble, recovered by Falcons for TD. Hotlanta takes the lead, and Byrd can still buy that hybrid he’s been eying. The new lesson becomes, never touch a qb’s head, UNLESS he’s not trying to throw yet. Then, you can, and it might even help out the play, so maybe you should. Of course, if the qb manages to swing his arm forward while you’re already committed to the action, fifteen yard gain for the offense, scoop-and-score negated, and a loss of ten thousand dollars for you personally…a**hole… Seems to me like the refs are convoluting the original message unnecessarily by adding that condition. Hitting the qb’s head: baaad…unless his arm isn’t cocked back yet. Then, hitting the qb’s head: great! I thought the whole point of the new heightened punishment was to do away with any confusion.

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by FuSoYa on Nov 3, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i never really liked the rule anyway

but if the league is going to call it sometimes and not others, than the rule is bullsh**. the refs cant go out there and judge the intent of what a player wanted to do. they have to call what happens

def player + qb helmet hit = roughing the passer

by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 3, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“Roughing the passer” can only be called after the ball is thrown. “Unnecessary roughness”, is the only personal foul applicable in this particular case. Does the term “unnecessary” not validate the existence of judgment of intent, in and of itself? If intent was completely ruled out as a factor, any tackle that didn’t entail wrapping up and holding for dear life until the runner succumbed to physical exhaustion and fell on his own accord could be construed as “unnecessary”. You’re kidding yourself, if you think any group of referees are capable of calling an entire game to the letter of the law, when many of the rules themselves are left open to interpretation.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

" Dirt E. Byrd(I don’t know the player’s name, and don’t care to look) takes essentially the same trajectory on Brees, makes the same kind of contact, if anything a bit higher and more dangerous."

It wasn’t the same kind of contact. Yes, both were helmet-to-helmet. Yes, both were unabated. One was a sack, the other was a hit after the release of the ball. You’re acting like every time a QB’s helmet is contacted by an opponent’s helmet, it’s a penalty without exception and that’s most certainly not the case. If a quarterback is sliding feet first and on the way down, his helmet strikes a player pursuing him from behind, do you really think the referees are going to call that? There’s nothing “black/white” about any of it. It’s a judgment call based on intent, ferocity, fault and the circumstances of the play in question.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a lawyer,

but from my uninformed perspective, it appears as though the refs do intend to make any direct, and “avoidable” contact with the qb’s helmet a personal foul. And there is no difference between Vilma’s intent or “ferocity” and Falcon Guy’s. They both intended to sack the qb, and neither intended to break the qb’s neck. It’s not like Vilma made his hit four seconds after the ball was released. And Falcon Guy’s hit rocked Brees’ head back like a haymaker. It was direct, avoidable helmet-to-helmet contact. It was also good football, until this year.

If a quarterback is sliding feet first and on the way down, his helmet strikes a player pursuing him from behind, do you really think the referees are going to call that?

Check out the spearing call against Hargrove on Edwards in the NO-BUF game for the answer to that question.

Brees earned that sack and fumble by not seeing a well-disguised blitz. Good work, Hotlanta. All I’m saying is I’d like my quarterback to have the same ridiculous shield of legislative security that the opposing qb’s have gotten. I hate the new rules regarding hitting the qb, but Falcon Guy’s hit on Brees WAS against them.

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by FuSoYa on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

special teams a major concern

we are lucky ted ginn jr didnt go off on us like he did to the jets this week. our coverage is horrible, we arent getting decent returns, FGs, punts…its all very suspect.

we have such a deep roster, with guys fighting for playing time (LBs & DBs especially)…you’d think our special teams would be stellar.

is it a coaching problem?

by NYSaint on Nov 3, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Even Morstead’s kickoffs haven’t been making it into the end zone, as of late. To the goal line occasionally. Often times, not even that far. Following the excessive celebration call on Pierre Thomas, his kickoff reached the 30. That would have been the 15, had they not been penalized. Which isn’t acceptable, by any stretch of the imagination.

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well hell! Thats it - Toss Moorstead for poor play!

I know I´m exagerating but that would be the consequences of your logic…or?

by shecky on Nov 3, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

… or give the kicker that’s sitting on your roster, taking up space regardless a whirl?

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by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Jeff Tripplett masterpiece...

How does this referee keep his job? Completely botched calls by the crew, complete indecision throughout the game, and numerous missed holding calls against Charles Grant that helped Michael Turner break containment and get to the outside.

With that, we still won and played at about a C+ level. Fack the Fulcons!

by drbonne on Nov 3, 2009 10:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice! Fack the Fulcons, chuckle

Tripplett -when it comes to being the Best, he’s the Worst, when it comes to being the Worst, he’s the Best! That White no TD was Horrrrrrible, re-play got it right, but the Back Judge was right THERE!

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by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys just made plays when it counted

That Vilma tip that set up the interception was the play of the game, in my opinion. Without that, maybe Gonzo grabs that one and it’s suddenly a very different situation.

I came away most impressed with your defense, which has improved by leaps and bounds over last year. I had hoped we’d draft Tracy Porter last year and I’m not thrilled to see him making plays for you guys, but he’s clearly a quality corner in this league already. Ditto your pressure on Matt Ryan, which forced him into some very bad decisions.

Looking forward to catching you at the Georgia Dome. Good game.

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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 3, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Some initial thoughts

1) I agree about the officiating; it was pretty awful. Amazingly, I’ve seen soooo many Falcons fans blaming the loss on the calls that went against them. While I think there were some calls that went our way, it seemed overwhelmingly obvious that the head ref had his money on the visiting team. From the BS call on “excessive celebration” to the no-call on Roddy White’s TD (which was as bad as if not worse than Devery’s penalty), I was really amazed at the ineptitude of the officials.

2) Lack of depth at a few positions is really concerning—specifically TE and OLB. Marvin Mitchell and Mr. Wendys both were baaaaad. The blame for the sack-fumble-TD is at least partially on Mr. Wendys, as I see it (although Brees probably would take full responsibility for it). Our secondary is so pimp though…. it’s amazing.

3) Brees is pretty spectacular. What’s more amazing is his rapport with the receiving corps. That INT may have been a bit underthrown, but it was a ridiculous play by Grimes more than anything. Seriously, do you really expect an almost-midget to be able to jump 9 feet in the air? But what’s incredible is how Brees adjusted after that, throwing to Colston and Shockey so high that it was just barely within their reach. And some of those catches…. ridiculous.

by jful on Nov 3, 2009 11:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i KNEW IT!!!

I saw that I was like that looks like homie from the Chronic. Nailbiter huh…

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 3, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Did you really notice me?

That’s impressive. You weren’t one of the four or five people that immediately texted me to tell me I was just on TV.

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by Saintsational on Nov 3, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m kind of surprised you didn’t score any Lenny Kravitz photos, Dave. He and a couple of his band members were hanging out on the sidelines with Rita Benson LeBlanc for quite a while before the game. Jason Kyle even pulled a Lynell Hamilton during pregame warmups, running over for a quick photo op.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This was right in front of your section, btw.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The saints running backs were murderers last night. Just some punishing collisions, our backs don’t run out of bounds the force the other team to tackle. And I like it…..A Lot

by andyp111 on Nov 3, 2009 12:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

well

by now there are some real ‘under rated’ teams looking to bite into the saints, and call themselves the david vs goliath

there is no doubt after this game we are in the spotlight… with our less than stellar performance I think some teams will be chomping at OUR bits… just for a taste

on another note, the colts didn’t look so hot, and really should have lost the game @ 49ers, now espn people are thinking both teams are doomed…

doomed would be a bit of an overstatement in my opinion… i don’t mind a loss but we better have fought for every inch..

which btw is what we had to do this last game which is why im happy we won… yes we didnt play so well, yes refs suck ballsa** and yes the falcons kept up… but there will be those games…

but ill tell you what. we havent played great football these last 2 games but we STILL win… ugly it may be, we still win. if this had been last year, we would be licking our wounds

I am a jack of all, and master of none

by doublewide on Nov 3, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Look at Youuuuu !!

Saw the girl w/Krewe of Brees Sign a couple times,but those signs were all over,but the girl next to you would have picked up by the moblie side-line cam, are those door giveaways or kiosk purchases? Oh yeah, quit biting those nails, by some gum..Ha

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

heh

I thought she made it. I don’t know.

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by Saintsational on Nov 3, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanx for the Double Live Thread

that was big fun

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Forgot, I wear that same hat every day.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You guys share clothes?! How can I get in on some of that action?

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 4:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Saw that sign during the live broadcast....

didn’t know that was you next to it.

Before you pick your Super Bowl winner ask yourself this: Can you name an offense that can keep pace with the Saints?- Jerome Bettis

by Dan39465 on Nov 3, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Blown Calls

I didn’t see every play because NHK over here chops the game to bits and only shows drives featuring scoring or turnovers. But, although Roddy White did get away with O.P.I. on Greer, I think the Saints have generally been the beneficiaries of the bad calls this season. None was bigger than the Sharper fumble on the pick return last week.

I don’t know if I’m atypical, but it bothers me even when we get the benefit of bad calls.

by DrZin on Nov 3, 2009 11:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well its like this,takem when u get'em

our HISTORY as a FRANCHISE is we never got the breaks at least the critical ones, or when we got one here or there sometime later in the game our own blunder would undue us i.e. Penalties,Fumbles, INT’s,No Calls. Good teams are good for a reason,not only do they score when they have to but they get the breaks, If its our time its our time, Go ask a Cowboy,Patriot,Steeler, or 49ers fans,if it was just talent or just luck they won all those SB’s.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Nov 4, 2009 12:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fujita

Is it just me or is Fujita taller than both are starting WR? From the pic that you posted it sure does look like it.

by Realsaint on Nov 4, 2009 1:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he is.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 7:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Colston sure doesn’t look five inches taller than Henderson in that picture, does he?

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

allz I know is

The MNF photo of Saintsational needs to be the subject of a “Caption That Photo” contest.

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by MobileSaint on Nov 4, 2009 8:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Okay Okay, enough's enough...

Look, im as diehard a Saint’s fan as any, but 2 hear all of these excuses about ref’s not call’n or call’n this & that, needs 2 STOP… Both team’s played hard & YES there were quit a bit of official issues, but 2 complain & say this or that would have happened, is childish!
I have all the respect in the world 4 ATL & they have a young & great team, that will flourish in the year’s 2 come. They played one hell of a game & i tip my hat 2 them. We probably played our worst game of the year & are fortunate 2 have gotten the “W”, bottom line. There are NO excuses, we need 2 clean up our act & STOP the stupid penalties & turn overs. We wont always be able 2 pull these games off if we continue.
It was a good win & im look’n forward 2 next Sunday with CAR.
Oh & as far as all this mumble jumble about go’n undiffeated (needs 2 STOP)… Play one team at a time. Forget about all the other B/S.
Im very proud of our team & look’n forward 2 a special season. Keep it boy’z!!!
GEAX SAINT’S

"Outta Site / Outta Mind"
4 whom of u who don't know wut that meen's, u WILL some day...
It is wut it is, bottom line!!!

by RealDeal318 on Nov 4, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

word up

Being a Saints fan will take years off your life

by MobileSaint on Nov 4, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to CSC!!!

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by Saintsational on Nov 4, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Artist 4merly known as Prince, is that U?

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by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs


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