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"Broken Toy"

So it seems like the "Broken Toy", which is what cp likes to call Mr. Reginald Alfred Bush II, has worked quite well lately. Over the past three weeks he has scored a TD in each game. Two were outside goal line runs and ther other has shown up on several air traffic controlers' radar. In this span, he hasn't even given a hint at fumbling. During the monday night game, he didn't dance once and elected to lower his shoulder and fall forward twice instead of jumping out of bounds. Over the same span, PT has 2 TDs and 1 fumble, and Mikey Bell has 1 TD and 1 very innoportune fumble. Now, I'm not saying take these other guys out of the equations because they do what they do very well. But it seems like were underutilizing a player that can make some big plays with a small chance for failure. I'm not sure what the best way to work him in more is. Do y'all have any ideas?




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Should Reggie's role increase?
Yea, he's earned it and would improve the power of the offense
36 votes
No, it wouldn't improve anything
25 votes
Well, it depends if it was actually a goaltending call on the free throw shot that Donte Stallworth shot over Walter Payton because his YPC was slightly higher than a 2nd string LB
7 votes

68 votes | Poll has closed

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Dont forget the 15yrd penalty Thomas got, that lead to horrible field position and Brees fumble six at our own 5.

by Tyreek on Nov 3, 2009 2:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Unfair Comparison

I’m a Reggie advocate and think he’s definitely showing he deserves more touches, but it’s not fair to compare his lack of fumbles recently to PT and Bell. There’s a considerable difference in opportunities and touches, which you could argue is part of the reason Bush hasn’t fumbled.

I was pretty miffed about the lack of rushing attempts in the game though. They should have given him some shots and busting up the Falcons D. There were a few instances that I saw where I think Reggie’s speed would’ve broken it, but would he have even seen the hole that Bell or PT took? Guess we’ll never know.

The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.

If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.

When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.

by Hooahsaint on Nov 3, 2009 2:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Payton's mad at him

I just get the impression he’s lost a lot of faith in Bush and is really just using him as a 3rd down back now. Although he does seem to like him inside the 10.

The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.

If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.

When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.

by Hooahsaint on Nov 3, 2009 2:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

he hasn’t had more than 6 rushes since the Buffalo game where he had 13 for almost a 5 YPC average. Give the guy some more touches. He’s been getting better and better. He definetly needs more touches than 4. The swing passes are like extended handoffs pretty much and he laid some hits on ppl. I’d like to see him have around 8 carries with Bell/Thomas getting 10-12 a piece for now. I don’t think it’s the fumbles b/c Thomas has fumbled quite a few times too and he isn’t getting yanked right out. I think Payton is harder on Bush b/c he knows what ppl say whenever he does something wrong and he wants to see him succeed. So yeah, he’s mad that he’s lost the ball a few times but not so much at Thomas. Idk, just seems it’s like that at times

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by skinnykinney on Nov 3, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

idk...

what if it’s the contract. I mean he has incentives for the bonuses and if he doesn’t get the ball, then he won’t get those incentives…I’m just bringing in up, I don’t put that past any NFL coach. Reggie had 4 touches tonight. If Payton is still punishing him for that fumble then he has problems, cause he put PT back out there after he fumbled at a critical time. But I don’t think it has anything to do with the fumbles. I also don’t think (and I should’ve thought about this a while back) that his knee is still bad. You don’t put someone whose knee you’re trying to give a rest back there to return punts. I’m still excited to see the Saints 7-0. Nail biter but hey…

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 3, 2009 3:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wonder why he had Lance Moore back on the one punt??

"Indecision may or may not be my biggest problem" - Jimmy Buffett

by Philinwood on Nov 3, 2009 7:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

b/c Moore has better hands?

that just seemed like a very critical punt. A muff and we probably lose that game by 14+. I don’t think he wanted a return, just the catch. He probably told him to fair catch it unless it would go in the endzone

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Nov 3, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and Reggie

doesn’t have the same hands as Moore. He’s probably our least likely to mess up on a punt.

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Nov 3, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A Healthy Reggie in 2nd half of Season

Now that is something that has not yet happened in his career and that SP will take full advantage of in games 9-16. Reggie ain’t broke, SP is just winding him up for now and about to spring him loose.

As the season unfolds (defensive players are more beat up and Reggie is healthy) it seems quite likely he will have an electric 2nd half to the year!! Given how Reggie has never made it healthy thru an NFL season, clearly this is a planned strategy by SP.

Everybody relax on Reggie, the best is yet to come!!

by Dempsey63 on Nov 3, 2009 7:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i really hope this is why

he’s not getting a lot of touches…

4 touches in a game for a potential playmaker like bush seems retarded to me.

i also noticed that the two passes he was thrown were ridiculously off target by brees.. i haven’t seen such an inaccurate pass by brees in a long time and the two big ones were thrown in bush’s direction…

i really do hope that bush breaks out in the second half because i think he COULD be very effective if given a steady amount of touches.

by nanvinnie on Nov 3, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brees

is actually starting to make me worried ever since the Jets game. He’s not securing the ball and fumbling and his passes out to Reggie on swings all seem to be off. He just doesn’t look like last year’s Brees. The only thing that really concerns me is the ball security when he gets hit. He’s had issues with it over his career and I’m nervous it might lose us a game if it’s close, especially in the playoffs. Just wish he’d improve on that a little to limit the fumbles.

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Nov 3, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Was That Reggie or Brees?

Reggie cuts in, Brees throws outside? One resulted in a weak Def. holding penalty, (that I’ll gladly accept) the other, another mis-communication?

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Nov 3, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Judging from Brees' and Payton's reactions it was Brees' bad

The problem with the swings is easy to see. Brees KNOWS that if he can get Reggie some time, it could be big. He’s throwing the swings fast and oftentimes without looking at the route. Obviously you lose some accuracy on those, but on such a short route, Bush doesn’t have time to adjust and make the catch. If; however, he does manage to get one of those quick ones out like that (accurately), the Corner won’t have as much time to set and come up to make the play . . . you know the rest.

The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.

If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.

When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.

by Hooahsaint on Nov 3, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right Demp

that’s in the back of my mind at least. Lets see what happens.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 3, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i thought he was healthy in 2006

but i could be wrong. I hope you’re right about the 2nd half. I think PT and Bell should get about 10-12 a piece(depending on circumstances of course) and Reggie get about 8 for now.

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Nov 3, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Microfracture surgery

by andyp111 on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He’s still a broken toy. He just wasn’t given enough opportunities to sh*t the toy box last night. Kudos, four touch manchild.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not a hint of fumbling?

I hope not, he only had two rushes!

Seriously though, I believe he did cause a holding penalty when on his first carry he elected to bounce it outside (no surprise) which caused the offensive tackle to hold the guy he was blocking.

Listen, he’s a nice-to-have player, sells lots of jerseys and his reputation causes some matchup headaches for opposing teams, But he’s not going to break even an arm tackle and he’s not a great blocker when teams blitz so why ramp up his usage?.

by TigerPaw on Nov 3, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...

that’s where the hole was and he would’ve gotten the first down. Blame the guy for everything why don’t ya. LOL, “he did cause a holding penalty…” So I guess everytime a RB bust it outside for a run and there’s a hold, it’s his fault. From where does this logic emanate?

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 3, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sometimes...

unlike the playground….designed plays call for specific blocking techniques, for lineman to hold their blocks for a certain amount of time, and for running backs to run where the lineman are blocking. when players improvise on the fly, sometimes good things happen, but most often it results in a negative play.

it’s hard blocking for Reggie because even if a play is designed for the inside, he’ll bounce it outside, avoiding contact, looking for a home run. Entering his fourth season his career average yards per carry is 3.8. That’s enough samples to predict with confidence what your likely to get by handing the ball off to #25. Better options are available.

All that being said, we still have a lot of football left to play. I’m sure his role will increase in certain games and I hope he has better success with those opportunities. If anything I would like to see his trade value increase.

by TigerPaw on Nov 3, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that stat is flawed...

you give a back that gets that attention the ball for only 10 carries a game for his career and of course he’s not going to be spectacular. It’s like Eddie George said, “If I was Reggie Bush I’d be ticked!!!” I’m not talking about this year. He’s sacrificing for the team but if you’re looking at it from a career standpoint, I’d be ticked. But lets see, hopefully homie is right up there and Payton will start to give him more carries as the season progresses. I’m thinking he’ll get more starting in New England and then Dallas. Maybe he really is setting people up.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 3, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just going to say

that Bush has picked up every blitz except for the one by Joey Porter last week. We saw PT get ran over this week. Bush has really improved that part of his game, blocking on blitzes, giving Brees the necessary time to make a play. That’s a bad argument. I won’t touch the rest of it even though I disagree

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Nov 3, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bush's pass blocking has to be commended

he’s been doing a great job of picking up the blitz and buying brees more time.

by nanvinnie on Nov 3, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure those aren’t decoy blocks, intended to draw attention away from our actual pass protectors, thereby luring unsuspecting defenders into pancakes?

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 3, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

That’s as close to a compliment as I’ve seen from you! You must be coming around. Next I’ll see you buying a Bush jersey.

The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.

If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.

When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.

by Hooahsaint on Nov 3, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There needs to be "negative recs", because I'd give you one here.

Ridiculous

The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.

If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.

When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.

by Hooahsaint on Nov 3, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this is all fine and dandy...

you must remember, some of you are comparing to last season, or even the season before.. do you really want to compare any part of this team to last year, or gulp the year before?? I didn’t think so.

I love reggie, just because he isn’t the “star” of yesteryear, doesn’t mean he isn’t part of the team, doing what is BEST for the team, it takes a stronger person to play the same amount and touch that ball less so others may also help the team ahead…

I’m not saying you aren’t allowed your opinion but ask yourself..

1)is he playing like a normal to better player should be? and helping advance the team?
or
2)are you just wanting the bush of yesteryear? (yes i like that word!)

if it’s 2, I’m sorry this is a new team… with new players, better co-op and yes…. somewhat of a Defense!!

I am a jack of all, and master of none

by doublewide on Nov 3, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

bush can do a lot of the stuff the other guys are doing...

He could’ve caught that pass PT scored on. Sure he may not be a bruiser but come one man 4 carries? I don’t want to hear the coldpizza hate just to hate crap. The dude is getting paid to do work and they got him in there like he’s a temp. Still 7-0, can’t believe it. if we beat Pat’s then we’re going undefeated.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 3, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And PT could have scored on the play Bush scored on. What’s your point? The best RBs are going to get the most playing time, regardless of how much they’re getting paid. Don’t worry, the money situation will work itself out at the end of the year, one way or another. Isn’t that what you’ve been preaching all along? That it’s not about the money? Don’t go all hypocritical on me now, boy.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My point, as stated clearly is he's not getting touches...

What gives? That was easily understood if you read objectively. Yeah it’s obvious PT or Bell can do some of the things Reggie does, but “that” wasn’t my point. I will say one thing coldpizza, at least you’re not trying to front on how much you hate Reggie Bush. Glad you keep it real! I don’t know too many people that admit to jealousy.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 4, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“Glad you keep it real! I don’t know too many people that admit to jealousy.”

No problem, bro. Speaking of jealousy, I bet you threw a little hissy fit when you read about Jason David signing with the Lions, didn’t you?

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol!!!

gotta admit love your wit homie, nice one!

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 4, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh and i've never beefed you or anybody about the $$$

I usually ignore the comments on how much money he’s making because I think if you’re gonna pay him that much use him,
so don’t go all forgetful on me now. And watch with the boy…

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not getting the touches, because he hasn’t produced enough yards on a per touch basis in the recent past to merit getting them. I agree that the idle money is and should be an issue. I don’t agree with your solution to the problem, however. I’ve already seen what MORE Bush playing time brings to the offense, and I feel we’re better off with him on the sidelines based on that. Would we be better off without him on the roster? Being that the money he’s getting could be used elsewhere, absolutely. But the trade deadline has passed. So, we’ll make the best of the situation and suck it up until the offseason. Or the playoffs, if you buy into jful’s creative theory down yonder. Patience, grasshopper. It’s all going to work itself out soon enough.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i beg to differ

In the games last year that we loss by less than a touchdown, Reggie got off. Not to mention the Tampa game he won for us. Denver Reggie had like 14 carries for 70-something yards and over 50 yards receiving. He also was doing it pretty nice before he got hurt in the Carolina game. We only loss those games because of our D. Now, I understand if Payton is just saving him and making sure that knee is right for later on. But if he was given the ball like that then, other than injuries I think we’d be scoring more points per game.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 4, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I did say RECENT past. The games you’re mentioning were all over a year ago, as well as prior to his second season-ending knee surgery on the same knee.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well you make my point then, lol!

he’s not getting the ball now to prove anything, thanks!

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 4, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's obvious

we’re saving reggie for the playoffs. he’s gonna be BEAST in the post-season—just wait.

by jful on Nov 4, 2009 6:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope I don’t have to wait too much longer. I’ve got the Mayan Long Count calendar breathing down my neck over here.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence" -Woody Hayes

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've always believed

that a Saints Super Bowl would be a clear sign of Apocalypse. Clearly, Roland Emmerich agrees. Everything’s falling into place…

"We're not going to lay down because they're the almighty New Orleans Saints."-Akin Ayodele

by FuSoYa on Nov 4, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mayan Mahem

Oh yea, I can see it now. It’s Dec. 2012 The Saints are undefeated, they are beating most opponents by double digits. Superbowl talk is in the air, and then: The Apocalypse. I dunno, this sounds awfully familiar. LOL

A SAINT in Panther country

by carolinasaintsfan on Nov 4, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“Ok, who’s the a-hole that got manna in my nacho cheese? … rut roh.”

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

December 23 to be precise.

But it doesn’t elude to the apocolypse, it’s just the end of their calendar. Why would they make a calendar that goes further than that, when they knew they wouldn’t be around for it?

It’s like if our society started writing calendars November 5, 02009. It doesn’t make any sense.

Now, I would recommend everyone be prepared for a certain asteroid to hit earth on April 13, 2029. They’re already tracking it, although scientists seem to think it will miss us . . . barely. However, Nostradamus predicts that right around that same timeframe an asteroid will hit the earth that the people will not have prepared for . . . just saying.

The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.

If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.

When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.

by Hooahsaint on Nov 5, 2009 4:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, thank God for Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck then.

"We're not going to lay down because they're the almighty New Orleans Saints."-Akin Ayodele

by FuSoYa on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Liv Tyler. DSL to the rescue! (to be read in a Buzz Lightyear voice)

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 5, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i really hope so

4 touches in a game is horrible. but then again, meachem had 2 touches and 47 yards…haha

by nanvinnie on Nov 4, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I mean Reggie’s a hoot to watch and all, but we have players who are more productive at every position he plays. Kind of like Jason David’s situation, only more ballyhooed. Maybe that won’t be the case on his next NFL team. I wish him luck wherever he winds up.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't agree...

Injuries are the only thing that people can use as far as the whole productive thing. In 2006 he wasn’t used a lot as a straight RB, 2007 he got injured and last year he got injured. Dude was lighting it up last year in the first 8 games. I think he’s fine. I think if he got 12 carries with 5 passes he’d show ppl and live up to the hype easy. In fact oldpizza, why don’t you compose the stats for my man when he’s getting those type of touches a game and see what his averages are…

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Nov 4, 2009 4:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I’ve got a better idea. Let’s look at the high and low season averages for ALL of our RBs and WRs, both rushing AND receiving, including this season:

YPC high:
Meachem 20.0 (2008)
Evans 16.0 (2005)
Henderson 13.9 (2009)
Roby 8.0 (2005)
Thomas 5.8 (2009)
Hamilton 4.8 (2009)
Bell 4.4 (2009)
Bush 3.8 (2008)
Moore 3.5 (2007)
Eckel 3.3 (2008)
Colston N/A

Our first stop is yards per carry. It’s a pretty straight forward statistic, but it CAN be skewed, based on number of touches. Obviously, no one is suggesting that Meachem or Henderson be given starting roles as RBs, just because their YPC averages are off the charts. They’re both ridiculously fast and the occasional reverse takes defenders by surprise. They’re also both very seldom used as ball carriers. The same can be said of Evans and Hamilton, although they are both technically RBs themselves. Both Thomas and Bell are having career years, though. As in, right now. In fact, they’re having better years than Bush has EVER had running the ball. Which brings up a fairly valid question: YTF would Payton want to bench either one of these guys, in order to give Bush more carries?

YPC low:
Bell 0.5 (2007)
Evans 2.1 (2008)
Eckel 2.7 (2007)
Roby 3.0 (2006)
Moore 3.5 (2007)
Bush 3.6 (2006)
Thomas 4.8 (2008)
Hamilton 4.8 (2009)
Henderson 7.0 (2006)
Meachem 10.0 (2009)
Colston N/A

Here’s the inverse of that. The FEWEST yards per carry each of these players have carried through an entire season. Bell’s is a bit of an anomaly, as he only carried the ball 6 times in 2007. His lowest besides that is 3.2 (2008), which is still pretty damn low. In his defense, he’s playing remarkably well now, AND he had averaged over 4.0 prior to those lulls (4.3 in 2006), proving that he IS at least capable of being a productive NFL RB. Neither can be said of Bush. Please note that Bush’s all-time HIGH ypc average is lower than Pierre’s all-time LOW ypc average. Further, your argument that Bush doesn’t get enough carries to prove his worth is quickly met by Lynell Hamilton’s current 4.8 ypc average — again higher than Bush’s all-time high — on consinderably FEWER carries than Bush has EVER been afforded. Question #2: if a lack of opportunity is affecting Bush’s average, then why isn’t it affecting Hamilton’s? It’s also important to realize that in Thomas, Bell and Hamilton, we’re talking about UNDRAFTED running backs regularly outperforming the best that #2 overall pick in the NFL Draft has to offer.

YPR high:
Meachem 24.8 (2009)
Henderson 24.8 (2008)
Evans 19.7 (2008)
Colston 16.2 (2008)
Bell 14.0 (2008)
Roby 14.0 (2006)
Moore 11.7 (2008)
Thomas 9.2 (2008)
Bush 8.5 (2008)
Eckel 6.0 (2007)
Hamilton N/A

Next is yards per reception. This is supposed to be Bush’s bread and butter, at least among RBs. Unfortunately, three RBs (including Evans), have bettered Bush’s best ever numbers … all in the same season, in fact. I won’t go so far as to say Bush is completely worthless in this department, as 8.5 IS a decent average for a third down back. Again though, who are we supposed to be sitting to get him more involved in the game than that? We already HAVE a rotation of two backs that can handle that role better. Even if you play him strictly as a WR, what has he shown that makes you think he can outperform the low WR (Moore) on the totem pole? Moore catches practically everything thrown in his direction. Bush has a fumbling problem, DESPITE seldom touching the football. Lynell Hamilton has never caught a ball in his NFL career. If you’re going to go the leap of faith route REGARDLESS, why not use him as the four touch per game, occasional 3rd down receiver out of the backfield and save a buttload of money in the process? He’s no less qualified for that role than Bush is as a 5th full time, running routes down the field WR.

YPR lows:
Evans 4.9 (2006)
Bush 5.7 (2007)
Eckel 6.0 (2007)
Bell 7.0 (2007)
Henderson 7.0 (2006)
Thomas 8.1 (2009)
Moore 9.4 (2007)
Colston 12.3 (2007)
Roby 13.8 (2005)
Meachem 24.1 (2008)
Hamilton N/A

Here are the career lows in yards per reception. At least Reggie’s career high isn’t lower than Bell and Thomas’s career low in this particular category. There’s something positive he can include on his NFL resume. Despite that, practically every skilled position player on the team has done better at their worst, than Bush has done at his, when it comes to gaining yards through the air.

The bottom line? Reggie may not be a completely “broken” toy, but he’s most certainly a misfit one. There simply is no place for him in today’s New Orleans Saints offense. Sure, he can be GIVEN playing time — by the grace of the same visored fellow who seems to be phasing him out — but to what extent is it merited? Bush is a living, breathing example of the old cliche “jack of all trades, master of none”.

If Guido Merkens is all he’s ever going to amount to, I think we should atttempt to trade him in the offseason. To Houston for James Casey seems to make a lot of sense. The Texans are unhappy with Steve Slaton. They just lost Owen Daniels for the season, but he’ll be back next year and they’re reported going with Joel Dreeseen in the interim. For all intents and purposes, Casey will be back to being buried on the depth chart, just like Bush. Unlike Bush, he plays FB and TE, two positions where the Saints could use youthful depth at anyway. His H-back versatility would still lend itself well to Payton’s creativity on offense and he could surely help on short yardage conversions. Just a suggestion. With contracts up in February, there are a number of directions the Saints could go, in order to improve on either side of the ball. I’m just not sure what kind of a market there’s going to be for a fading college star, a half decade removed come that time.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll keep my rebuttal short and sweet:

you totally ignore the point of my suggestion. We’re talking about yards per touch being better when he’s actually getting touches. The point is, my man doesn’t get touches and I’m saying when he does get them consistently (so take the games when he’s getting lets say 15 touches or more) and compare them to the games he’s not (14 touches or less). I’m not going to say my idea is better than yours its just different…Good job with all that work you just did though too bad it doesn’t really stick to the point.

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by TAYDIGGA on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If he’s not getting “say 15 touches or more” over the course of any one entire season in his career, my guess is because he hasn’t done anything to earn that sort of workload.

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by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what's Pierre's career carry per game average?

And bells? Now what’s Reggies?

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by TAYDIGGA on Nov 4, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thomas 5.1
Bell 4.2
Bush 3.7

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by coldpizza on Nov 4, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

carries per game!!!!

as in avg carries per gm? u luv to hate dont u?

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by TAYDIGGA on Nov 5, 2009 1:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bush 10.3
Bell 9.1
Thomas 7.6
Hamilton 2.5

Still don’t think Bush is getting enough carries?

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by coldpizza on Nov 5, 2009 7:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nope!

PT averaged 16 the last few games last year. His carries avg is flawed seeing that he wasn’t getting any in 06, and the first part of 07. Doesn’t matter, I’m like Skinny just give the dude the ball sometimes…Come Week 12 if Reggie still isn’t getting ball then he’s gone!

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by TAYDIGGA on Nov 7, 2009 2:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

How is it “flawed”? Because it doesn’t support your myopic point of view? Thomas has averaged 7.6 carries for every game he’s been active in his professional career. You didn’t specify a certain time period.

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by coldpizza on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“His carries avg is flawed seeing that he wasn’t getting any in 06, and the first part of 07.”

Kind of like Reggie’s is “flawed” now that he’s not getting the touches? Ok, now I see what you mean.

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by coldpizza on Nov 8, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked it

i’d just like to see him get a few more carries where he has a better YPC avg and playing well. Bell had a 2.9 YPC avg last game to Thomas’s 6.6 YPC I believe. Bell had 17 rushes to Thomas’s 14. Reggie had 2 carries, one around the goalline for 1 yard and a TD. I would’ve liked to see Bell get about 4 or 5 less carries and give 2 or 3 to Reggie and the others to Thomas. Bush has the best chance to take one all the way imo but it’s not going to happen seeing 2 carries a game. Also, especially now that Evans is gone, I want to see Reggie line back there with Thomas or Bell too like in 06. Think Reggie and Bell. Fake toss to Reggie, Bell up the middle or fake to Bell up te middle, toss to Reggie. I think it’d be like our version of the wildcat. Just run a few plays with it, maybe 5-7. I think it would cause problems.

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by skinnykinney on Nov 6, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boom Rec'd it!!

But he would be a fool to go to Phila. They (the fans) would give him until halftime of his first game to score 2 TDs and have 150 all-purpose yds and then the boos would start. He’d be foolish to go there.

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by Philinwood on Nov 5, 2009 7:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

same thought i had phillinwood...

But he would fit in there just perfectly…he thinks fans have a love/hate relationship with him here, how about a hate relationship?

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by TAYDIGGA on Nov 5, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs


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