Carolina Panthers @ New Orleans Saints: Chat with the Enemy
Time again to learn a little bit about the Saints next opponent and what to expect during the game this Sunday by chatting with that teams SB Nation blogger. So allow me to re-introduce you to Jaxon, head honcho over at Cat Scratch Reader. Jaxon gave me some great answers to my questions about Delhomme, the Panthers running game and defending the Saints. You can also read my answers to his questions right here. We will speak again when the Panthers and Saints meet up later in the season.


CSC: Delhomme left the game last week with a chest injury but says he's fine for this week. Do you believe this to be true? What is fan sentiment regarding Delhomme this season?
CSR: The word is Delhomme practiced fully today so I'm 99% sure he will play Sunday. His ribs will still be sore and there is a chance it could impact his throws I imagine. Also, I'm sure getting hit in the same spot again this week would be slightly uncomfortable to say the least.
I ran a poll a few weeks back and 75% of the fan base felt he was still our best option. Admittedly though after the Bills game he was on his final opportunity for even the most diehard Jake fans (including myself). But he redeemed himself against the Cardinals (for at least another week). Panthers OC Jeff Davidson seems to have gotten the message that he can't rely on his QB to win the game with his arm so the Saints should expect the Panthers to run the ball 40+ times on Sunday. If Jake can then through the ball less than 20 times and avoid INT's then the fanbase will continue to stick by his side.
CSC: What makes the Panthers running game so good? What will the Saints need to do to shut it down?
CSR: It's a combination of two things, a stout and large offensive line and two RB's that are good at hitting the hole or cutting back when there is nothing there. Williams is more dangerous in the open field hence the Panthers throwing the ball more to him this season (18 catches in 7 games vs. 22 all last season). Stewart gets the call in the red zone as he can drag 3 or 4 players with him at times.
The key to stopping them is controlling the gaps and not forgetting containment even on the inside runs. The Cardinals got burned for 278 yards rushing by over committing SS Adrian Wilson in the box. When he guessed at the wrong gap the Panthers were off and running. They also lost containment on the edges several times. The final key will be getting an early lead, stopping the Panthers running game early and making the Panthers think they need to throw to keep up.
CSC: The Saints seem unstoppable so far this season. What do you think the Panthers might be able to do that to win this game that other teams have failed to do so far?
CSR: Win the time of possession battle. I'm thinking if the Panthers can again play error free ball and run the ball effectively they can keep the Saints offense off the field. Also, the Panthers have dialed up the pass rush lately so hopefully they can get some pressure on Brees and force him to the check down throws early. DE Julius Peppers is playing inspired ball lately and always plays well against the Saints.
CSC: With the Saints and Falcons leading the pack in the NFC South, have Panther fans given up hope of winning the division or going to the playoffs?
CSR: Though we have been up and down week to week lately overall we have not given up hope at all. We know we have a lot of talent and experience on this team. Thanks to key mid-season additions to the DL (such as former Saint Hollis Thomas) the defense seems to finally be adapting to Ron Meeks Cover 2 scheme and should keep us in the game early. The obvious key is the play of QB Jake Delhomme. When he is asked to throw the ball less than 30 times the chances of the Panthers winning rises dramatically. With only four losses a playoff run is still possible in spite of a difficult schedule.
CSC: Tell Saints fans something about the Panthers that would completely surprise them.
CSR: Hmm...tough question since I'm not sure how much you follow the Panthers. You may have heard the Panthers have the No.1 ranked pass defense. Honestly prior to the Cardinals game I thought it was a fluke but I'm not sure now. What you may find surprising is that our secondary this Sunday will include two rookies, 2nd round pick Sherrod Martin at FS (who was drafted to play CB) and 7th round nickel corner Captain Munnerlyn (who will obviously play a lot). Munnerlyn has been a pleasant surprise who excels in man coverage and if anything will make mistakes being too aggressive. What surprises ME as that having two rookies in the secondary doesn't worry me in the least. These guys have grown up fast (Martin is actually 25 yrs old).
CSC: Care to make a prediction?
CSR: I'm going to pass on a prediction because I NEVER predict a loss and therefore feel like I jinx us sometimes. If I was a betting man I'd take the Panthers and the 14 points in a skinny minute, but I don't bet.
I do want to thank the Saints for the bulletin board material with all the talk of going undefeated. The Panthers are the division champs and did beat the Saints twice last season so they have no reason to feel lucky simply to play the Saints tough. Sure you're playing lights out lately but I'm thinking this is a trap game for the Saints if they let the Panthers 3-4 record fool them. Delhomme INT's ended potential game winning drives against the Falcons and Cowboys and led to both Bills TD's. As I said earlier if the Panthers can play mistake free ball they will give the Saints a game to the end (or you can come give me crap about it afterward!).
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There's that "Trap Game" comment again.
Seems like we see that one every week.
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.
When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.
by Hooahsaint on Nov 6, 2009 6:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
our whole season is a trap
good thing we’re smarter than the average bear…
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Nov 6, 2009 6:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Trap Game"
Yep, that seems to be the new buzz word for our opponents to use!
What it really means is:
We don’t think for a minute we are nearly as good as the Saints so if the Saints don’t take us seriously (that means we don’t show up) we could possibly, maybe, hopefully win by a fluke…but we are conceding that it would be a fluke.
So now we know what they mean by trap game!
GGM, Voodoo Surgeon General
by Gris Gris Man on Nov 6, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, trap game is getting thrown around a lot
But after the performance the last two weeks and with essentially byes after this until the Patriots, what else is there for the Saints to focus on? The Panthers are the only real team between us and an undefeated appearance on MNF v. the Pats and they beat us twice last year, so I think there’s plenty of reason for us to focus on improving on the errors of last week and beating the Panthers.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Nov 6, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trap game more refers to your mindset....not ours
If you get full of yourselves at 7-0 and think the Panthers should be an easy game then you could find yourself down early. That’s all
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
by Jaxon on Nov 6, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
will it crush your spirits even more if we go down early and still win by double digits?
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 6, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I do want to thank the Saints for the bulletin board material with all the talk of going undefeated."
First of all none of the Saints said they were going to go undefeated. He might be talking about Reggie but that interview was chopped up and taken out of context. And just because you beat us 2 times last year means nothing this year. We’re a totally different team this year. I’m sure they’re going to throw… well … run everything they have at us but I think we can withstand it. If we get up early Jakes going to have to throw the ball. And with his penchant for throwing INTs and his hurt ribs…..it means a bad day for the Panthers.
Get ready to FEEL DAT BREES!!!
by born in areacode 318 on Nov 6, 2009 8:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bulletin board material?
This is a division game pitching last year’s NFC South against an undefeated team that has a three game lead (four vs. you). If that doesn’t get you up to play your best game yet this year, NOTHING posted on your walls would matter.
As for this being a trap game, they beat us twice last year. Besides being a second straight division, it would by definition have to fall between two more important games. Nothing is more important than winning division games. Goal one – win the division.
by WhoDat_OH on Nov 6, 2009 3:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about undefeated...
All I want for Christmas is a trip to the playoffs, hit the playoffs with momentum and get to the Super Bowl and win it.
This week against the Panthers we should spend a lot of time on the ground attacking with our running game. That gives us ball and clock control and defuses their high powered passing defense. Like almost every game this year, it should be a good game but with the Saints coming out on top!
Gris Gris Man, Voodoo MD
by Gris Gris Man on Nov 6, 2009 8:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You guys got 12 wins in the bag and possibly 14
You are taking a similar path to the ‘08 Panthers, actually better results. I’m just saying just because you get that first round bye don’t assume a SB run. Even that first playoff game will be tough and you saw how quickly our SB aspirations disappeared last season.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
by Jaxon on Nov 6, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that game was hilarious
i dont think that drew is capable of a meltdown like that. arizona too!! our team last year would have had better than a 9-7 record if we played in their conference. it was embarrassing to the south and the entire nfc though.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 6, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or if we had a kicker that could make a DAMN FIELD GOAL!
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.
When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.
by Hooahsaint on Nov 6, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We saw
but I think that game had everything to do with Jake’s 6 picks. Brees isn’t going to throw 6. Or was it 5 picks and 1 fumble? can’t remember. won’t happen with brees though.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Nov 6, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares if we go undefeated or not
the panthers wont have anything to do with it anyway, unless we pull our starters in week 17.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 6, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wanting Jake to throw less than 20 times?
If you’re coming into a game hoping your team is smart enough to prevent the Qb from passing too much, that’s not a great sign for an offense that is probably going to need to put up about 30 points. Then you need to depend on your D to do a really amazing job, a job that no one has done to date.
That’s not to say they can’t (Peppers may be able to consistently get enough pressure to throw off Brees) but that’s a pretty tall order.
I can understand the annoyance about the undefeated talk as we’re not halfway through the season yet. I’m a little surprised by it too but when you look at the ways we’ve won, the teams we’ve beaten, and the quality of the teams remaining, it makes more sense.
I'm proud of my damn strong football team. Have a great day!
by Mikethetiger on Nov 6, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
“If you’re coming into a game hoping your team is smart enough to prevent the Qb from passing too much, that’s not a great sign for an offense that is probably going to need to put up about 30 points. Then you need to depend on your D to do a really amazing job, a job that no one has done to date.”
I’m pretty sure the reason they’re hoping to pass so seldomly is linked to the notion that they’ll be controlling the clock with a successful running game. If they’re able to do that (huge if), then they won’t need to put up 30 points, as our offense will not have had the opportunity to rack up a substantial lead. The point being that you don’t necessarily have to fight fire with fire in football, in order to win. You can also play to your own team’s strengths and hope that it’s enough to offset your opponent’s.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Nov 8, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So absurd
Sure you’re playing lights out lately but I’m thinking this is a trap game for the Saints if they let the Panthers 3-4 record fool them. Delhomme INT’s ended potential game winning drives against the Falcons and Cowboys and led to both Bills TD’s. As I said earlier if the Panthers can play mistake free ball they will give the Saints a game to the end.
No offense, Jaxon, but if your boy is tossing INTs that cost you games against the likes of the Cowboys and the Bills, what do you think our #1-ranked interception machine secondary is going to do?
And your claim that the Panthers are first against the pass doesn’t tell the whole story; FootballOutsiders.com has a good breakdown of how defenses are doing so far—you can find it here (their analysis has the Saints as the #1 pass defense).
I’m also not worried about their formidable running game, since we saw the Saints can beat teams despite giving up a lot on the ground (the same FO link has us ranked 25th against the run—while Carolina is 26th), and I know GW is going to make adjustments after Turner gashed us for big gains last week. Besides, the Saints have a pretty good running game—at least, it’s definitely under the radar.
by jful on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i check out FO all the time
they even break down where the weaknesses are in the passing d. panthers opponents #1 wr and TE have been destroying the panthers (colston and shockey are no slouches).
but the panthers are in desperation delusional mode. they are under the impression that 150yds rushing and no turnovers from delhomme (with something close to 20 att) will be enough to win this game. i must admit i havent watched the panthers play once this season, but it seems like they havent watched us play either. one guy mentioned that the only team that we “put away” was the giants and bills (this coming from a team that has been put away a couple times).
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 6, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last week the Cardinals had the #1 rushing defense
and we saw how much that helped them. So you’re expecting to get gashed on the ground but its the INT’s from your secondary that will save you? If the Panthers are gashing you on the ground they won’t throw the ball is the point. But you can bet if you cheat up they will try to hit Smith deep.
It should be a fun game to watch. Chow
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
by Jaxon on Nov 6, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
weve already played three #1 def's
and they aint no 1 anymore. how do you expect to keep up when we run and throw on you?
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 6, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know who else is 7-0?
John Fox in the Superdome!
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
by Jaxon on Nov 6, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
then your going to win, right?
how does it feel to have the biggest point spread of the weekend?
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 6, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
isn't the Carolina blog name really
catscrotchreader.com?
Being a Saints fan will take years off your life
by MobileSaint on Nov 6, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I checked that website out.
Nary a single article on the Panthers there. Some articles on panthers, sure, but not THE Panthers. There was a puff piece on Morstead, though. Upsetting, all around.
What you have to do is to turn his little body over so that when he does get it, he lands on his head and he doesn’t come back in for a while." -- Gregg Williams on Steve Smith.
by FuSoYa on Nov 6, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
Being a Saints fan will take years off your life
by MobileSaint on Nov 6, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
double ha!
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by Saintsational on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EXCELLENT, Smithers, I mean FU!!
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
by HansDat on Nov 7, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i still like our odds
So it may be closer than what I want(i’d like a shut out with us +56 pts), but to even think that a lop-sided NFL team can play flawlessly and overcome the run/pass of our O, without passing is just crazy talk..
They would never admit it, but they are us, last year… you will do what you can, with what you have… then be explioted by G.W. and S.P. along with apperences by d. sharper, porter, bell, bush, shockey, brees, colston, etc…
we have too much for them to contain period…
too many ways around what they bring
I am a jack of all, and master of none
by doublewide on Nov 6, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Odds DbWide
Saints by 14.5, O/U 51.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, you're right. It's crazy talk. The Panthers have zero chance.
Why even play the game? I’ll give Foxy a call and have him cancel the flight. No sense embarrassing ourselves by even showing up. All we did was crush Kurt Warner’s soul last weekend. But unlike him, Drew Brees plays flawless football, never throws picks, your receivers run crisp routes and never drop the ball, your runners never fumble and are as easy to tackle as a charging rhinos. I just hope we can hold you under 200 points!
Seriously, though, if the question is “What can the Panthers do to win?” then Jaxon answered pretty well: run a lot, pressure Brees, get turnovers. Will even that be enough? Probably not. But let’s not kid ourselves by thinking that you’re playing against the Rams or the Browns here. This is still largely the same Panthers team that’s punched you in the mouth repeatedly in previous years.
by r3 on Nov 7, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so what your saying is...
you’ve killed one team… one. whole. team. Wow im impressed…
If you were to not show up now, I bet the saints would follow you back to your field at this point… and well do that whole “Saints by 14.5, O/U 51.” in front of you and your fans, that would be fun!
All I was saying in my post was; that playing flawless football is not an option, yet all through your website that is one of your strategies on winning(!?!?)… not an option so why don’t you find something else to whine about :)
as for holding us under 200? I doubt it. your run D is horrid, and you are riddled with injuries. I doubt 200 as a realistic goal, maybe 400. :) buttttt I bet you that you will find a weakness or 2 in our game.. we are definitly not flawless… BUT i will tell you one thing, we WILL definitly find yours… I just hope you can keep up with us.. BTW we put up 39 p/pg how many do you?
we also only allow 22p/pg …how many do you?
just something to think about there buck-o!
I am a jack of all, and master of none
by doublewide on Nov 7, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else find it funny?
They don’t even have a winning record, yet they’re talking about gashing us on the ground and taking a win against an undefeated team. Dellusions of grandeur?
The main argument is rushing. With their big bad 5th ranking in the NFL. Wait a second, aren’t the Saints ranked 4TH?
They talk about being able to run all over the Saints 11th ranked run defense and use ToP to kill us. Wait a second, our 4th rank rushing offense be going against Carolina’s 24th ranked run defense?
They say their 1st ranked pass defense is going to stop Brees and the Saints aerial attack. Wait a second, do they even HAVE an aerial attack?
So they can run and defend the pass really well. Wait a second, is there anyone for the Saints on either side of the ball that hasn’t scored a touchdown yet?
The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.
If stupidity is a cancer, you're terminal.
When you die and go to hell, you come back as a Jets fan.
by Hooahsaint on Nov 7, 2009 12:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
....the equipment manager?
…the Panters fans around here are STILL completely delusional. I was still getting trash talked at yesterday…Monday is going to be fun…
:-)
Irony: An atheist Saints fan.
by GSO Saints Fan on Nov 7, 2009 7:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Panthers Fans
are making the biggest mistake of all…
They have no idea that they’ll be facing a Saints team that they’ve never faced before. Yeah, they beat us 8-2 at the Dome. They don’t take into account that the previous Saints teams aren’t as solid as this year’s team. They beat us twice last year. Half our squad was on IR, idiots.
They’ll be silenced tomorrow for sure. And like I said in the presason, John Fox will be out of a job come January.
by Jee on Nov 7, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I love how they say stuff like oh we beat you…blah blah blah… last year… blah balh blah
If this was last year we would have probably lost the last 2 games… but, we didn’t
I hope their team is coming into this like some of their fans are… ignorant…
when we stomp them into the turf, they will know the meaning of implosion… I can see it now in my dreasm… then followed my reality!!
WHO DAT
I am a jack of all, and master of none
by doublewide on Nov 7, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
Yes i am slightly trash talking here, but its sat. night and I’m half in the bag from sake!! I’m feeling good about the game tomorrow, can anyone blame me? I’d hope not
I am a jack of all, and master of none
by doublewide on Nov 7, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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