Saints and Vikes..the same team?
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 1, 2009 4:46 PM CST
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Hello Saints fans,
Well it is getting late enough in the season to start thinking of potential playoff matches and by and large our two teams are head and shoulders above the rest of the NFC, that much is blatantly clear. What surprises me is the parallel our teams play with..let me explain
QB- Yours is younger and has more moles..but that is about it. Seoirusly...our two QBs are eating up opposing Ds like Fiber One bars in a chilli cook-off. I'd say its a push.
WR and TE- Meechem, Colston and crew VS. S. Rice, Harvin, and Berrian. I think we both have good-great receiving corps who are benefitting from tremendous QB play. Again..push. to slight edge to Vikes as I like Shiancoe (8td this year)over Russel Crowe look-a-like
RB- You guys are 4th in the league in rushing (right?) and we have a guy by the name of Purple Jesus. Basically your two backs do the same as AP. Does that mean yours will be fresher? Or does AP have more of a ''oh my god stop that man'' feel and thus get the credit? Overall I think our running GAMES are about equal, but I'd take AP over your committee.
OL- Brees has been sacked 8 times fewer but has thrown 6 more INTs than Brett. Normally those two stats dont relate much but with QBs as good as ours, I think one can make a legitimate argument that those gaps basically wash each other out. OL are pretty good on both fronts, yours is better in the run game as AP always has to fight for his yards seemingly a lot more than your backs.
DEFENSE
DL- We have the best D line in the NFL. Sorry but the Vikes take this one. HUGE reason we lead the league in sacks.
LBs- Fujita and Vilma are the headlineers. Ours are Greenway and EJ Henderson, with Ben Leber playing very well to boot. Once again, this might be too close to call..perhaps favors Saints but the Homers in us probably could argue otherwise.
Secondary- There is no question yours is more opportunistic. Sharper is playing like a beast, and is a way better fit in your system than ours. Glad to see him doing well. Our safeties are only used to stop the home run, almost never will you hear them jumping a rout to attempt a risky INT or something of the like. I like your secondary due to experience and aggression..but don't count Winfield comming back for us out...he's been done for a month now and you simply can't put a value on that guy.
Spec teams- Percy. Harvin. 'Nuff said. Football Outsiders ranks us as number 1 spec. teams. I give us the edge.
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Addendum
Let me know your thoughts, I didn’t intend to flame anything so sorry if this is misinterpreted. All things being said, I think it is too close to call a clear favorite, with the winner comming down to a turnover here or a return for TD there. Luck and fate should decide this game. Perhaps we’ll see you in a few weeks! Good luck with the rest of your season.
Brees by far is better
the problem of every other fans team is you only have the teams youve went against to compare us too.what you don’t understand is while your team looks good once it steps up to us Farve like every QB weve faced none haveing over a 55 in QB rateing will be the same.you people just don’t understand the diffrence between dominating the Bears as to the Pats dominating the Packers as to Philly dominating and (barley doing it sanFran compared to the Giants.you’ll never understand cause you got your head to far up your teams ass.Your entire stament is based off retardation youve faced one super bowl caliber team and you lost.weve faced two and destroyed them.hopefully though your team is as dumb as you and think we will be good but just as good as any team, when you just don’t understand we’re not good we’re great, and your just ok your just mediocore, your two passes from please god let some one catch it from being 8-3. so until you beat a team that can actualy play football keep your dribble and your(i’ll just go over there and act like where equals when your not to you self)and i’m not saying you cant write here cause it not my place but please a least make a little since before you make your team look stupid
You seem pretty smart darshiva (?)...
NIce fan and I would hope not representative of all Saints fans….
Examples: “barley”, Retardation..up team’s ass…dumb as you…keep yur dribble…act like where (?) equals…
Let me see if I can make a “little since” (maybe sense?) out of this reply of yours…
You do not appreciate some good banter (that is a big word for a conversation) between fans of good teams…which is what Jepp above was trying to set up….
Got it….we can see on the field….I will not waste my time here….
I was just stopping in because there was talk of Saints fans like you over at our site…Wanted to see for myself, and yep, they were right….
I hope your team is better playing than you are at writing….
SKOL!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 3, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
once again
you can come on here and try to dicredit me for my spelling and humor,but I find it strange thats most of your defenses.instead of writing something important about your team or to back up any statements from your freind up there.trust me if my team was in your postion id be scared too, id come on and try to discredit the other person writing too. since you have notheing football related and cleary retartded also.Once again when im in the harvard english blog I might take time to spell and use spell check but im to lazy and to busy telling you how stupid you are to do that
Is this really necessary?
Come on, man! We can disagree with them without calling them stupid and retarded. That just devalues your argument.
"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams
by David "Satch" Kelly on Dec 4, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
once again
you face a winning team and lose.I want gloat cause of the mircle on Raljon street,
but nana
If you are what your records is
then we aren’t the same team, we’re better.
And I’m can’t think of a sane person who would take Brett Favre over Drew Brees this season. They aren’t close.
Really?
We’re both homers for our respective teams, so no surprise that I disagree on some points. I agree that the Vikings have the best D-line in the league and have a much better and consistent kicker than we do, but I’ll take the Saints in every other category. The Vikings have a great offense with Favre, but Brees has many more weapons than he does. It’s like playing gridiron Wack ‘O Mole with Brees. If you knock down one or two of his receivers, two or three more will immediately pop up. I’d also take Shockey and Thomas over Shiancoe any day.
Also, “All Day” AP is the best RB in the league. I’ll give you that. But, I like our O-line and RB trio more.
"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams
by David "Satch" Kelly on Dec 1, 2009 4:59 PM CST reply actions
Chris Johnson
is the best running back in the league. He’s more explosive and he doesn’t FUMBLE!! AP is great but until he quits fumbling so often, Chris Johnson is the better back. Not to mention receiving the ball out of the back field. I know Peterson is getting better he still isn’t on that level. Heck, I’d line Chris Johnson up out wide as a receiver.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
Im so sick of the "FUMBLE" talk
Did you know that Eric Dickerson averaged 12 fumbles a year in his first 4 years, and Walter Payton had 30 fumbles in his first 3 years. And how did they turn out? Ok then. So get off the fumbling thing.
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 2, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
what did AP do against us last year?
It was something like 14 for 32 and we werent the same D last year.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Dec 2, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, but what was the score?
You also lost to a team lead by Gus Frerotte, Good Job!
Drew Brees went 26-46 330 yds 56.5 comp % 1 TD, 2 picks, and 68.2 QB Rating and we werent the same D last year, missing our best LB.
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 2, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
the saints are better in every catigory except RB DL and spec teams and Drew Brees is twice as good as Brett Favre
I don't agree on Special Teams
Special Teams is not about just how many yards you get on returns. It’s about your coverage, your punt blocking and your punting. We have the best punter in the league. Have you seen his hang times. We have given up a couple of good returns to some of the best return people in the league, Ginn and Welker. They do it to everyone. But every other time the Pats got the ball they were inside their 25. How many touchbacks did we have? Heck one time they brought it out and stopped at the 14. When Reggie is in the game our punt return guys are equal, Robie is about equal, but on coverage and kickoffs and punts, we are better. Additionally, I still say that the holder and not Carney is the problem. I watched the replay, the holder is not consistent on his hold. If you have zoom capability on your video system look at the hold, he tilts its slightly to both sides, he needs to hold it upright. I don’t know if its the snap exchange or just lack of concentration by the holder, but they have to fix this or any kicker we get is going to be erratic.
Ajun Cajun exiled to Charlotte. I miss Mardi Gras and the Jazz Fest so much I could cry.
It is becoming obvious.......
that we all are very close to finding out who does what in the NFC. It also is obvious that you did not watch Monday Night FootBall last night. My Saints toyed with the Pats until they threw in the towel with over five minutes left in the game.
Saints vs Vikes could be very interesting but you have to promise to play the whole game.
by saint-sly on Dec 1, 2009 5:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
AP is a great RB
…but he also leads starting RBs in FUMBLES in the past 2 seasons with 15.
I’ll take the “3 Headed Monster” any day over AP…..
Irony: An atheist Saints fan.
Yea as much
Of a Brett Favre homer as i am I still gotta take our QB of him.Brees is all that and more.
i think were better in everything except defensive line.A you only get the edge because of Jared Allen he’s a man among boy’s out there
you must be joking
QB- Brees, no question
WR- Shiancoe over Shockey? are you kidding? We take this one with room to spare
RB- AP only gets you to tenth best rushing offense in the league. PT, MB and RB get us to number 4
OL- Who dat
DL- Congrats, the vikings have the edge here
LB- Our OLBs arent perfect, but solid, so is Vilma
DB- We lead the league in Interceptions, enough said.
Special Teams- You have a great returner in Harvin. We have Bush, and the best punter in the league.
Sorry bud, People all us the most complete team in the league for a reason.
We havent allowed a TE to score all season
and dont half to throw to just our TE to score
yea shockey has 3 more receptions and 100 more yards
but what are yards when you have 5 more touchdowns then the other person. And how can you say Brees no question…..Brees has 3 more touchdowns…Brett has 6 less interceptions. Thats equal enough to me. Our LB core is equal and we have the better KR and the better K while yall have the better PR and the better P. so thats equal as well
sounds like a pretty equal team to me
Look our three TEs have 6 tds so not a big deffrence
where a team by commitee, three scoring TEs, five scoring backs( i think hamilton has one if not than 4)4 scoring wide rec we everyone on our team can burn you and burn you bad we don’t rely on three people to win a game, we rely on ten at anytime .so him haveing 8tds means nothing cause our full backs have three also those could have went to anyone how many TDs does your fullback have !!!!none? so we win there too.Fact is bress has completed 12 passes less than farve and he has 300 yards more than him.our recivers have 12 to 25 less catches than yours and yet were almost right there with you.We have done more with less and thats why Brees if better, thats why our recivers are better thats why our team is better
what do you mean you've done more with less???
all saints fans talk about is comparing one of our players to yalls three…comparing peterson to bell bush thomas and then you comparing shiancoe to three of your tight ends. Shiancoe has more touchdowns than all three of your tight ends so he’s still at an advantage. I’m not knocking the fact that yall have good if not great recievers but our receivers are at a tie with each other.
I'd hate to have my season riding on Brett Favre
Say what you want about him being clutch in the Super Bowl (13 years ago) but he has a tendency to really taper off as he has gotten up there in years. Sure, he was injured last year, so write it off if you like, but do you remember the 2007 playoffs? That game against the Giants was his to win, and he choked. That pick 6 was on him and nobody else. 2006 was a little odd since he finished strong, but still only managed an 8-8 season. 2005 the Pack went 2-5 in their last 7 games to cap off a 4 win season, only winning games against the Seahawks, Lions, Falcons, and sigh the homeless Saints. And I’m sure I don’t have to remind Vikings fans of Favre’s 4 INT performance against Minnesota in the 2004 playoffs to ensure that Green Bay was 1 and done in the postseason that year. Winning 3 playoff games in 10 years is hardly what I’d call clutch.
"That Brees is a good quarterback." - Giants Free Safety Michael Johnson after a 48-27 Saints victory.
It's funny
I was going to come here and make something close to this same post.
Growing up in Iowa, I have to put up with A TON of Vikings banter. Almost every single person I know is a Viking. Naturally, throughout the game last night, and throughout the day today, I’ve been getting endless texts about how good AP is. And how the Vikes are going to walk all over us in January.
Honestly, I don’t see it happening. And not to flame anyone, but Jepp, that analysis is so biased it’s a joke.
Although Brett Favre is playing good football, find me a coach or GM or anybody in the world that would take him over Drew Brees. You can’t, no one would. Drew Brees, especially as of last night, has shown that he is absolutely one of a handful of Quarterbacks that will go down as Elite. Brett Favre, as I see it, had two “elite” seasons in 95 and 96. I won’t argue that he is a good quarterback, but he benefits greatly from a strong O line and an Adrian Peterson.
Receiving isn’t really a match up either. Rice is having a hell of a season, Berrian is always solid, and Percy Harvin is making a strong case for Rookie of the Year. But really? Marques Colston, Robert Meachem, Lance Moore, Devery Henderson, Jeremy Shockey, David Thomas, and I’ll mention Reggie in this category too, because you have to. I’m sorry, but we’re loaded son.
Running depends on how you look at it. Our running game is 4th in the League, Minnesota ranks 10. Just by pure numbers we obviously have the edge. I’ll entertain your little analysis though. AP is a beast, no doubt. And he does what Minnesota needs him to do; Break off and make big plays and score points. Our running game isn’t set up to do that. It’s set up to wear down defenses, run clock, and push into the endzone from inside the 10. There is no better group doing that right now. Meanwhile, above mentioned Brees and Co. will put the numbers on the board. Plus we don’t fumble alot.
Our O Line doesn’t let Brees get sacked much, and they set up some damn fine holes for Pierre, Mike, and Reggie. I can’t really say we have an edge on this one. But Minnesota doesn’t either.
D-Line… well, yeah you can have it. The Vikings D Line is scary. Probably the best in football. We don’t slouch on it though. There are some big, athletic, boys that will make life hard for a QB and RB. Just because you have the edge doesn’t make it easy.
Linebackers I’ll call a wash as well. Vilma is great, Fujita and Shanle are solid. I love Chad Greenway (GO HAWKS!) and I think he’s one hell of a player.
Which brings us to the secondary. Now I don’t want to go off on a rant here, BUT WHO WATCHED MIKE MCKENZIE!!! I was at the bar by 5 so I didn’t see the active roster, really didn’t think he’d play. He got that pick, I saw dreads and thought it was Usama covering down… then I saw the #34. I went nuts. The Predator is back baby! But back on topic. Our two starters, Tracy Porter and Jabari Greer, are some of the best man on man cover corners in the league right now. The system Gregg Williams runs requires them to be out on an island quite often, and they deliver. Sharper doesn’t need to sell anything to anyone this year either. I guarantee every team we’ve played this year has spent some good hours showing their QB tape of him. And I think it just freaks them out. When Tracy and Jabari are back healthy, and with the new additions of MM and our favorite rookie Malcolm Jenkins doing very well. We’ll be fresh, we’ll be ready, and we’re always opportunistic.
WHO DAT!!
What I was looking for..
1) I’d say Brees and Favre are about equal if you check out the stats my friend. Moreso the point is that nether one gives the other side that big of an advantage. Our respective bias aside, the math proves THIS YEAR they are about the same. And calling Favre a mere beneficiary and so-so QB really makes you sound stupid quite frankly. I guess that is why he only has the records in tds, wins, and completions huh? And INTs to be fair, but that isn’t a problem this year (24-3 td:int).
2)Our top 2 recievers VS yours and we have more yards and equal TDs. BTW-
Shockey- 40 catch, 476 yards, 3td to Shanker- 38,375, 8. So yeah, I’m taking Shanker over Shockey. Why not?
Don’t call me son. I’m 25. It is incredibly disrespectful and quite frankly trashy.
3) Running game comes down to preference. Yours can get 3, 4,5 yards a carry and grind it (we have top 5 run D by the way). Where as ours is always a threat to scortch you. Play 8 men up and Favre eats your face. Trust me, happens all season.
4) Agree…Olines are scratch
5)Agree on linebackers
6) I said your secondary is better. But we have different schemes. Yours is more aggressive than ours. Depends on style again, but I’d give the edge to NO because numbers dont lie.
Thanks for this type of reply instead of OMG UR DUMB. We all have our opinions but you know what they say about Pride before the fall. If you win, i’ll be the 1st to congratulate you guys, NO deserves a pick up and the Saints are playing good ball. If you lose it will be more of a comming down to earth moment. Perhaps we’ll see you soon, perhaps not…good luck.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
you really
cant compare are recievers to yours as far as yardage goes.brees spreads the ball around alot which is the sign of a great offense.we have 19 different players that scored this year
Malcom covered the best slot WR in the NFL Monday night as good as you can cover someone.
Great pick.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Dec 2, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Vikings lead the NFL in...
sacks becuase you face the Lions, Chicago and Packers twice each… perhaps the worst three OLs in the league. I’m not saying the Mullet isn’t good, because he is… but it helps to play those lines 6 out of your 16 games (plus you got the Steelers, whose OL is pretty bad too)
"For us, there is no spring... only the smell of fresh wind before the storm."
-Conan of Cimeria
plus they played the whole nfc west
and afc north
its the same dline
that was dominating teams last year so its not like they cant play up to better opponents
too close to call
I say you are right enough not to argue that a lucky break could decide this game. As long as the field of play is left out of the argument. I say if it’s played in the Dome. Saints win. Call me crazy! WHOOO DATTT.
VIKINGS
Frankly, i doubt the vikings will make the NFC championship. However, even if they do it just going to be another feather in the cap for the Saints. Undefeated, beat SB Champ Eli and the Giants, SB contender Eagles, Romo and his Cowboys, and 3X SB Champs Belichick, Brady, Moss & Patriots. All that’s missing is beating Farve and "the best team his ever played on during his historic 19th NFL season. Hopefully, we’ll beat SB champ Payton Manning or get lucky and kick the crap out of 2X SB Champ Roethlisberger the Steelers in the Superbowl. IMO, all that would be missing from that season is whacking the 49ers. 18-0…THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!
Yea but playing Sanfran
has gotten boring latley we’ve destroyed them last three time we played em
living in 49er country..,
i’ve had to suffer through every beating they’ve handed us for the past 22 years…i just want some retriution.
as a vikings fan
i eagerly await this matchup, although i am certainly not as confident as some of my fellow vikings fans are. Brees is unstoppable, i concede that, and i know there is little to no chance of stopping him, barring some freak plays a la the monday nighter last year where we stole one in the superdome. your running game also is clearly reborn this year, and if the vikings overlook it, they will be burned. that said, our offense is also very potent, and can certainly put up points with yours. week after week, favre haters claim a 4 INT game is right around the corner, and week after week, he proves them wrong. not to mention, for all the AD fumbling talk, the man is still average close to 100 yards and a td a game. where i see this game being decided is in the special teams. From what i’ve seen, Carney has missed his fair share of field goals this year, and while i’m not saying it would come down to a last second field goal, if it did, i would absolutely feel confident in the vikes chances
Well i live in Mississippi
And i’m a diehard Favre fan i think he’s one of the best qb’s ever and i’m glad he’s with a team he is enjoying
i just dont see the Vikes matching up to the Saints we can put up 30 points against any team and 40 on most our defense is playing much better
Were getting our injured players back and should be hitting on all cylinders by the playoffs
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 2, 2009 6:21 AM CST up reply actions
The reason well win
i have no doubt J Allen would give us trouble he did last year.The problem is we dont give anyc QB time theres always someone there thats why weve destroyed every qb in the game.Even when we dont get there we’re close on every play out of 60 plays your QB may get 10 of them with time the rest theres always someone comeing.Our D has to practice against the greatest OFF in the game.Or OFF now has to practice against one of the hypest Ds in the game.Theres just nothing you can throw at us that where not already prepared for
Theres nothing anyones D can do better than us or faster.Then you throw in some of the greatest Couching minds and game plans in with that and youve got the best team in the NFL.Ive watched the Vikes and they look good but if youve watched all 11 of our games youd relize the Vikes just wont be enough nor we’ll anybody
We
put up 30 a game too, and we are geting Winfield back as well….a lot of similarities is what this post is about.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Vs who?
Youve faced THE worst D twice, the Rams, the Seahawks, the Bears, the Browns.
Youve faced an easier schedule and got plum lucky against the Ravens and 9ers.
We score 6 more points a game and have done it against the Jets, Pats, Eagles, and look to do it against the Skins and the No.2 scoring D in the NFL, the Cowboys.
Weve had TEN double digit wins this year. Something the Vikes cant touch, with their 3 single digit wins and their LOSS. We dont have one of those nasty things yet.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Dec 2, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
those are also the worst OFF
you just named fiveof worst OFFs in the NFL and the Hawks aint far.man wed avarage 60 points a game if we had that schedual.our D would have 20 tdsbrees would have 50 tds already and wed have three 1000 yards running backs and our recevers all four cause Lance wouldn’t be hurt and shockey would be pushing at least 1200 man a cant wait to see this team even after we win the super bowl when we pull a schedual like that well have another undefeated season and break every record knonw to the NFL
Schedule, Schmedule...
We are playing a division winning schedule based on the strength of teams from last year.
Your team is playing a 2nd place (divisional) schedule.
Teams are up/down year over year… and you can’t account for injuries and the like.
Our division has turned out to be weaker than thought due to the Bears collapse this year, but we’re known as the ‘Black and Blue’ division because historically, we beat each other to a pulp. Typically, we split our games based on HFA and rarely does a team sweep ALL of it’s division rivals. If the Vikings win @ Chicago, we’ll have swept.
We may never come to ‘an agreement’ on strength of schedule, as each week/each team can be VERY different.
A team needs to do what it needs to do to Win… and so far… our teams are doing just that.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 3, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I would add...
Comparing divisional opponents…
Detroit = Tampa Bay
Atlanta = Packers (edge to Packers)
Carolina = Bears (edge to Carolina)
Pretty even. Divisional opponents are the most difficult to sweep, IMO, as each team understands the other’s tendencies better and seem to get under each other’s skins.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 3, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
And
were doing it better, seing as we havent lost.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Dec 4, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
man you vike fans dont get it
we palyed better harder teams if you had our schdual youd be lucky to be 6-5 right now
schdual?
Dude, you’re making us all look bad. I’m as diehard a Saints fan as you are, but even I’m starting get a little annoyed at you. Please don’t call people stupid. Before long, no one is going to bother to read your opinions. There’s no reason we can’t keep this a civil discussion.
"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams
by David "Satch" Kelly on Dec 4, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
It's true you havn't lost
Your team right now is the #1 rank on the power rankings mate. Time to celebrate. However, that usually doesn’t preclude the ability for people to draw comparisons. Hell we’re comparing your team to the 98 Vikes one of the scariest offenses in the near history. And you undoubtably have a better D than they did at the time.
This would be a great game
Offense…The biggest matchup i’d say would be our interior o-line vs the williams guys. Jared Allen is kinda beastly, and he would be against Bushrod. If we could run the ball inside, Allen wouldn’t be able to pass rush like crazy. I really don’t see any defense stopping us though when we’re playing our best ball. Keep the play calls balanced and the defense honest.
Defense….man AP is a monster. Stopping him would be tough. Ellis and whoever else is at DT will need to force the Viking O-line to double them. I know Ellis can do it, maybe start pressly next to him. Keep them off Vilma. D-line would have to play honest, smart football with good discipline so Vilma could mirror AP best he can. I’d see GW blitzing most anyone but Vilma, to make sure he’s watching AP. As far as the passing game, keep Sharper deep and just wait. We all know Favre is gonna throw a few down field.
I wanna see this game. Here’s too a good and healthy season to both teams…so we can see them at their best…but at the dome :P
Their running game
We have faced the best running games the nfl has to offer this year.
We shut down the 2 headed monster in Caralina,and Atlanta,we stopped the wildcat with Brown and Williams we kept Stephen Jackson in check(barely) in st. louis all great running teams
We are prepared for great runners
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 2, 2009 6:32 AM CST up reply actions
i don't think we can say we SHUTDOWN
any of those running games… atlanta, carolina, the rams all took it to the saints. granted, the saints won (obviously), but letting a team rush for 135+ isn’t called shutting down to me.
Our depth is way better than the Vikings ans in a 19 game season, that will prevail
I predict the Cardinals will wil Sunday and your tone will change. I also think by January, Favre’s age will show and the wear and tear on AP will manifest also. He is taking a beating even though he is a phenomenal talent.
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
FYI
Every week we hear how Favre is going to “break down” and throw a bazillion INTs. So far he is 24-3 ratio. Simply hasn’t happened. Yelling how its going to rain every day in a desert doesn’t make you a genious the one day of the year it happens.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not buying...
What you’re selling…
The Saints didn’t play perfect and they beat a great Patriots team 38-17. Who have the Vikings beat and in that fashion? They take their best opponents to the wire or lose to them (i.e. Pittsburgh). The Saints did a masterful job on the Pats’ number 2 ranked offense. Brett Favre is an easy target in the pocket, and AP, as dangerous as he is, is prone to fumble. He fumbled twice against the Bears…go ahead and give the Crew da Drew two opportunities like that.
And special teams? How much return yardage did you surrender against the Bears? Again…short fields against anyone but a 4-7 team and you pay.
The Viking offense doesn’t scare me…it’s feasted on sub par opponents and the defense is prone to surrender points against decent offenses; none of them hardly the offense that the Saints possess.
Your wideouts over the Saints? Honestly…take off your bias hat and pay attention to what’s happening and what’s being said out there.
The Saints have proven through 11 games that they are the deepest team in the league. They play the most balanced game in the league. They play complimentary football in all three phases. They are playing championship football. Ask the Patriots and ask the media up here. They’ve never seen Bill B. wave the white flag. THAT was the ultimate compliment from the team of the last decade…
1) You pulled a comeback outta you arses to the ’Phins, the Jets and Sanchize took you to the wire, just a couple to name a few. Im just saying no team blows everyone away, so if you want to delve into woulda coula shouldas, look in the mirror.
2) Percy Harvin is the best kick returner in the league. Before you call me an idiot actually take a second to look at the stats. The Bears returns were flukes, by far the longest we’ve given up all season.
3) Vikings offense doesn’t scare you? We average 30 points per game? How can that not scare you?
4) Sindey Rice and Percy Harvin have more receiving yards and equal TDs to Colston and Devery when added up…so yeah…we do have better receivers.
5) You mean you beat the same Pats that should have lost to the Bills (remember, we are in shoulda coula woulda land) and is 7-4 atop a mediocre at best division? This is not the Pats of yesteryear. This is a bad defense and still explosive offense Pats.
It just amazes me that you guys think you’ll just show up and tromp on us. Every week we hear of a Favre meltdown, and so far he is 24td to 3 int. Seems to be working ok for us. I like talking football with other teams’ fans…but some of you guys are just rediculous. Once again, thanks to all the sound Saints fans out there not spewing gold and black koolaide all over me.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
The Pats managed 17 and they were the second leading scoring offense in the leagur
That didn’t scare us. You lost to the Steelers, who I believe just lost and are an amazing 6 – 5. Your great successes are against Green Bay, when Farve had everything to prove. We beat the Jets 24 – 10, that is so much offensive success, right. Are you saying that Rice and Harvin are better than Moss and Welker? Harvin is a very good kick returner, but Ginn is better and Bush and Roby have been just as productive. How’s your punter or your kickoffs? The Pats started one drive beyond their 25 yardline.
Ajun Cajun exiled to Charlotte. I miss Mardi Gras and the Jazz Fest so much I could cry.
No
Moss and Welker are better. But Moss and Welker don’t have AP, Shiancoe, and Berrian like Rice and Harvin do. And no, Ginn is not better, Percy is 1st in the league if you check it out. Our punter and kickoffs are fine, we lead the league (or did for a while) in starting field position. Like I said, I’m not trying to say one team will crush the other, but making statistical points on how we match up very similar in a lot of facets.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Just so it's said,
the Jets didn’t “take the Saints to the wire”, they took them to the second half. Once the Saints broke the tie score, the Jets never got closer than ten points from us. They played impressive defense, but we played impressiver. If I were you, I might have brought up our game against the Rams to illustrate the point that the Saints don’t blow out everybody.
Also, Harvin/Rice may or may not be better than Colston/Henderson. They are nearly statistically even, with yours taking the lead on yards. But what about Berrian/Meachem? It’s close until you go past the two starters, I think. If Lance Moore weren’t hurt for half the year, this would be a blowout for New Orleans. And AP is without question the best running back between the two teams, but the Saints’ running offense as a whole is without question the better of the two. I would also argue that Pierre Thomas is not that far removed from Peterson, talent-wise. He just doesn’t get the same touches. He also has a much better O-line, of course.
Y’all do have about the most impressive defensive front in the league, but I think your prettier stats are about as susceptible to the “opponent strength” argument as the Saints’, and I think that’s being fairly generous to the Vikings. Your huge lead in sacks may have something to do with playing the most sacked offenses in the league twice each. Of course, that doesn’t take away from the obvious talent of the Viking’s defensive front, but it should be about as grounding as the Saints’ interception and opponent qb rating stats versus a number of rookie or first-start qb’s.
I guess I’d agree that the Vikings have a few more talented components than their Saints counterparts, but our sum of parts is, without question, the superior unit. And Farve versus Brees is an absurd argument, once you take into account opponent strength, but even without that somewhat vague point of contention, Brees is the statistically superior qb in all but maybe a couple of stat lines, most notably, int’s. I don’t think even a hardened Vikings fan could have predicted Farve’s sudden ability to protect the football, so kudos.
In a matchup, I’d think your pass rush and run defense could even out an otherwise Saints-favorable game. Brees has looked very human when he gets moved out of the pocket too quickly, and your DT’s can collapse the front of the pocket well, too, which is a problem for our diminutive QB. If the Saints were unable to get decent first down gains on the ground, it might get pretty tough to sustain drives. Beyond that, I would be very optimistic if the Saints got to play the Vikings for the NFC Championship. I honestly don’t think Farve could have as flawless a game against the Saints’ defense as he’s had against teams like the Seahawks. Furthermore, I’d love to see the Saints take the Vikings out of the playoffs for once.
"Think about that statement and all its implications for a second. The New England Patriots did not play up to the level of the New Orleans Saints." -Pat Yasinskas
the jets took us to the wire
and the we was still running the clock by 4mins against the Fins you need to quit watching nfl network highlights cause you’ll never understand OMG YOU ARE A DUMBASS you wanna add up what your two best recver dud we have five recs that are better than yours add up our yards and see who has the most.You come in here with that, and we’ll do what we did to the best 2 (welker and moss)have better stats too and you see what happended to them.you cant beat us at your house much less the dome if you even make it you got your two lucky passes already what or you gonna do keep praying they make that catch.When Minn had moss and they where makeing that run(even though they didn’t win the big one they should have) I had enough sense to know Minn was the best team in the leauge open your eyes, and start looking at the deffrenses instead of the simulartys and you’ll understand these teams are night and day.What weve done to teams and the three hardest divs in the leauge(NFC east,AFC east,NFC south)and where undefeated you have nothing that will convince anybody on here that your right other than D line and I can argue a couple points on that one too.The fact youve went up against some of the worst teams in the NFL and barley won those on last min plays.Not one time not once have we even had to go down to a game winning drive at the end of a game.
I understand thats your team, and you need to grasp at anything in your mind to keep a comparison so that you can beleive your team has a chance.It would be hard for me to swallow my pride if my team was doing as well as yours.You just gotta understand one thing Drew Brees and the New Orlean Saints don’t care what youve done, or where your going, or who youve done it with. all they know is if you get in front of them THERE GONNA KNOCK YOUR FUCKING TEETH IN
DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What will he do or say when we knock them out of the playoffs (If someone else dont do it first)
Another intelligent post...
Sure am glad I do not have to put up with this on a regular basis…..
Night and day….yep for sure….We shall see….on the field I hope…
and that right in front of your team yeah….
It will be a great game for sure…
Take the gold tinted glasses off though…..
It will be a game, not a pushover for either side….
May the best team win!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 3, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
you will look like the pats and giants
it will be a push over.ohh and incase your still wanting to comepare Farve with Brees go over to nola.com it ws the greatest QB ever in the entire 40 years of football.only one QB did better than Brees and because of game diffculty Brees tops the list.he is the best QB in the NFL and had the best passing night in NFL history.As stated before I hate the Vikes but love Farve I would hate to be the team to end his last chance,but unfourtunatly we have to do it so im apoligizing now Farve we will miss you if you come back next year,maybe we can give you one then. as far as 09 goes this year is over Saints are the SB champs
Let's see....
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 4, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
We spotted the Dolphins a 21 point lead and still one by double digits.
Take the purple shades off.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Dec 2, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
exactlty them shades is mighty purple
problem with you vikes is Im not saying your a bad team.Your pretty dam good you are what most fans dream of.and we’ve had teams like yours (dome patrol)we’ve had good teams before yours is above good.your team may even be great.But this team maybe the Greatest to ever play the game.You like us have a rare thing in a passing attack,running attack,and a solid D,but not one side is great(one yours)just a few great players,we have players that play great,we have a great OFF and a great D not mediocore or good but great.You can’t go by yards weve allowed on rush and pass D.Most of the time teams are haveing to throw the ball while we play our prevent D we’ve probly giveing up a third of those yards for free.those stats have little affect on how a game goes.(prime example usualy if a QB throws for alot of yards(except this year)it means hes trying to play catchup the whole game )well thats what QBs have to do once it gets into the 2nd half they start throwing cause their down.Hence this is why we’ve given up the yards.alot of times a team will lose and the QB throws for 400 yards so the score could be35-7 does that mean that teams D isnt good. yes they held them to 7 points so who cares what the yards are.now I learned these stats and they may have changed since I learned them, but probly not, and these are just defensive stats, and these are the ones that count. so go back and do some research and post the response in same order then we can do some real comparisons that matter and if im wrong about one just post it ,this is just from memory
Turnovers #1
interceptions #1
Defensive tds #1
red zone #5
thrid down #3
pass deflections #1
causing incomplishons #1
opposing qb rating#1
yards after catch #3
those are game changing stats lets see we’re you stand against that
and my final argument on the Drew Brees Bret Farve is as stated before Brees has 12 less completions but has 300 more yards passing.and if we didn’t have are running game like we do at this time of year, Brees would have 4,000 yards and about the same amount of tds right about now.to you see the defrence if it was all on him.It doesnt matter if your the greatest Offense in the NFL, witch weve been for the last 4years.If your D cant stop people from scoring than you cant win.If we do play you it won’t matter if you have Farve or Gus there gonna look the same .you wouldn’t even be able to tell the defrence execpt for their number(unless its the same can’t remember Gus’s number)anyways they’ll look like the other 11 QBS we’ve faced like they was just drafted number one draft pick for the detroit lions,like your freind said earleir ridunculas.
How about that the Vikings are 2 plays
from being 8-3!!!
Can’t believe no ones said this. A missed FG by Baltimore and a hail mary fluke pass against the 49ers and that’s 2 more losses.
The closest the saints have been to losing at the end was maybe the hail mary against the Rams.
Look at the 4th quarter points – 121-24. That’s called finishing the game strong. They’ve started 3 or 4 games pretty slow but what I love is that they’ve always made halftime adjustments then come out and dominate.
2 teams are not even close
by touchdown my pants on Dec 2, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions
For all your woulda coulda shouldas
You are all of one, 1, uno games ahead. Don’t forget being down big to the Phins and having the Jet’s defense own you to name a couple. If you live on woulda coulda shoulda street, it happens to go both ways….
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
This guy is and Idiot
he don’t even use examples that relate to his statements hod does he think the Jets deffense held us we had like 200 yards rushing and three TDS
So you DO know what an idiot is.....
Ever thought to maybe use more than expletives and slurs to explain your position?
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 3, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
dude you are stupid
If your at least going have a comeback for every thing i say, man make it good.your like playing with a 16 year old girl going to a convent to be a noun just bland on no fun.your really pulling out all the stops on this one
Oh dear god
Hubris- learn it.
I at least tried to put up a few stats to make a point, all of you homers just come back with NO WAY, NUH UH!, YOU ARE TEH STUPID. Great counterpoints fellas…I know you all think your shat doesn’t stink, but damn…
Thank you to the few who actually responded with decent retorts, that was the INTENT of my post. I guess I didn’t know so many Saints fans were so…….bleh…
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 10:30 AM CST reply actions
Dude weve countered every thing youve said
we quite frankly with more impressive debate.you wanna give stats but you wanna fit them to where they make you sound right and we come on a turn every stat you have upside down and you just refuse to beleive it the only thing your team beats us in is sacks and Brees int we averages 8 more points than you over 11 games dude thats 88 points.
Take. A. Breath.
Punctuation is your friend.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
This is a football post
not a spelling and english contest and im to lazy to spell check a hundred post a day
Ill play the stat game and I dont even have to look them up like you are
- Offense
Higher ranked running game than the allmighty AP - Defense in takeaways
you can have #1 in sacks, pretty easy to get with GB, Chi and Det in you rdivision, plus the NFC West
HA!
Who called you stupid? Relax.
You have a great front 4, a solid LB group, and the typical collection of Cover 2 corners that all Cover 2 teams employ. They do their jobs and that’s good for your defense. If your pass rush is neutralized, teams put up points on you. You going to argue that?
Brett Favre is still Brett Favre…just 40 years old now. He may not throw a 4 INT game this year, and I could care less.
Funny you point out that the Pats aren’t what they used to be with their franchise QB coming off serious injury. They had the 6th ranked D coming into that game through 10 games.
When it comes to statistics, the Saints have the number 1 offense in the NFL by a long shot. Sprinkle individuals in there all you want. They avg more passing and rushing yards and avg nearly a touchdown more per game. There’s no “push” there.
Your rush D carries your statistical ranking. You have a great front 4 as I pointed out and hey, you are what you are. Statistically, the Saints have the better pass D. The Saints also play differently…they create and score…32 takeaways and 7 Def TDs to your 23 and 1 respectively. The Saints take it away just under 3 per game and they’ve done it to rookie QBs and veterans alike. They take chances and sometimes they get burnt. But they always make plays. They neutralized arguably the best 1-2 WR combination in the league. Are you going to tell me Welker-Moss aren’t what they used to be, too?
Kudos for coming on here and posting…but Saints and Vikings are not alike. They play completely different offenses and defenses…bottom line is the Saints are 11-0, and you’re 10-1. Hope to see each other in January.
by mainesaint on Dec 2, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
What exactly did the Jets shut down?
Our defense dictated that game and our offense played very vanilla bc our D was so dominate. No one shut us down that day except ourselves,
Apparently you only look at the stats and don’t watch the game. you can twist stats all you want to make them look in your favor.
by touchdown my pants on Dec 2, 2009 12:16 PM CST reply actions
Enjoyed
I enjoyed your post. I like having someone who knows more about the game and individual players and coachs illuminate their thoughts on Team v Team, Players v Players, and Coaches v Coachs.
I also like seeing the view from both points of view. I enjoyed reading your thoughts and clearly you took time to give careful thought to it all.
I can’t really agree or disagree because I am in a learning curve. But I can appreciate…. read what other people took the time and effort to post and hopefully come away from it all with a better view and understanding and enjoy each games more when I at the very least have the players names and positions be somewhat familiar to me with some insight.
Thank you.
Just a fan.... 11 N O .... UnNOFishal Saints BrewMistress
Although both teams are very good
Both are also pretty inexperienced when it comes to playoffs, however the other teams in the NFC really don’t have a chance what I am saying is that come playoff time it is a whole new ballgame, no game will be a “feather in the cap”.
I would have a signature... but it could cause a schism on this site
Thanks guys
And congrats on making the Pats cry for mercy. That was a quality ass kickery.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 12:51 PM CST reply actions
Pretty fair for being from a Vikes fan
I’ll give my take on why you’re right or wrong.
QB-I like Favre. I always have. He’s fun to watch and you know he’s giving it his all every game to win. It’s a very close race but I give the edge to Brees. 3 or 4 of his interceptions have been from tipped balls. That still leaves him with more ints but people play us differently. The come into Minnesota to stop AP and they come into NO to stop Brees.
WRs-I’d give it a push. Last year i would’ve said ours easily but i can’t do it this year. Rice is playing his best season and Harvin is doing good also. Throw in Berrian is who is doing decent and Shiancoe(very underrated TE imo) and it’s too close to call. Pretty even so far.
OL-We have the best pass blocking line in the league imo. The interceptions don’t correlate here because Brees has made some poor throws and had some tipped like i said earlier. I give us the edge.
RBs-As good as we have been running the ball, AP is still awsome. He is a huge contributing factor to the team. It’s not because of what he’s doing right now though. It’s because people gameplan to stop AP and he still has the 2nd most yards in the league in rushing(i think, def top 5). People don’t gameplan to stop our run. So, even though this one is close and like the QB argument i made earlier about gameplanning, i give the Vikes the edge.
DL-You guys have the best Dline in the league. Can’t argue that.
LBs- We have a very very solid LB crew. The are all sure tacklers and Vilma is a big hitter. Shanle and Vilma aren’t good cover guys but the good new is that Vilma doesn’t cover much man to man. I only know that EJ Henderson is pretty good but Vilma and co. gets the edge. I think we have the better LB crew(possibly my homerism coming out too)
Secondary-Us, no contest. Porter and Greer have been lock down corners. The average QB rating against us is less than 60 i belive, like 58. Don’t forget we lead the league in interceptions and we have had 5 go back for TDs. If you don’t really believe ours is better, think about the Pats game. We shut down Brady and co. with our 2 starting corners out. We had Jenkins, McKenzie, Gay and McCalister out there stopping them. We even had our backup safety play coverage on a play. We shut Brady down missing out 2 starters.
Special teams- I have seen Harvin. I give you guys the edge here. Our Special Teams is our weak point even though we have an awesome punter!
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Dec 2, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
For homerism aside we pretty much agree. I think I’d go back and give you guys the slight nod on O-line after thinking about it.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent post
Your secondary is by far the scariest in the NFL right now. Watching Sharper play this year makes me glad we traded him. He was not being schemed correctly for his play style and it’s nice to see him stepping out this year. Hey when Leslie Frasier get a head coaching job after this year is done how about you lending us your DC for a year?
lol
this guy is going on lockdown. We’re hiding him better than if he was in the witness protection.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Dec 4, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
Our top two have more yards than your top two with same TDs? IT is a valid argument isn’t it?
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Well
I’m done talking to you with that. You give Saints fans such a bad name.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
in other words
you have no counter argument… Saints got ridiculious depth at the WR position… Brees is close to setting a record for TDs to different receivers
I would love to
our top 6 (based on yards)
234 catches, 2959 yards, 22 td
your top 6 (based on yards)
189 catches, 2744 yards, 21td
We win. What else?
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
almost the same yards on about 3/4 the catches, ok, my bad, lets go to 10 vs top 10 receivers, even i didnt realize how good Brees is at spreading the ball around
?
10 vs 10? That is getting rediculous my friend, just concede this point.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
No?
Look literally above what you just wrote.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Brees spreads the ball around too much to compare “top 2 Wrs”
Saints are by far better at the position
by touchdown my pants on Dec 2, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions
Brees has thrown TDs to the following:
Colston – 7
Shockey – 3
Meachem – 7
Henderson – 2
Bush -1
Pierre – 2
Thomas – 1
Moore – 1
Evans – 2
Dinkins – 1
___________
27 TD passes from Brees to 10 different players
Favre has thrown 24 to only 7 players
verdict – saints have more depth
Also,
Vikings leading top 2 TDs for WRs is Shancoe and Harvin with 13
Saints top 2 are Colston and Meachem with 14
BOOYA
how about this stat:
Vikings have 13 rushing TDs
Saints have 18 rushing TDs
isn’t that the point of offense – getting into the endzone- and NO team is compared to the Saints.
BOOYA again
by touchdown my pants on Dec 2, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
...sigh...
I went 6 deep because I was challenged to do so and it turns out the Vikes, although with more catches, have more yards and 1 more TD. How far do you really want to string this thing out? really? 10 people? C’mon man! So because joe blow off the bench got in for a TD one time it means you have better depth? Are you REALLY going to use that many people? Are we going to augment our game plan simply because some cat I’ve never heard of caught a TD one time? There is such a thing called relevance, and stringing a WR debate out to 10 people certainly does not fall within it. Also, a lot of BOO YAAs for uncontested points. Yes, the Saints have the highest scoring offense. Congrats? Not once did I argue against it because that simply isn’t the case. I was breaking down WR corp in that particular area.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
The answer to this question:
Are you REALLY going to use that many people?
is YES we are going to use that many people. Brees has thrown to more than just those 10 people. He’s completed passes to 12 and all 12 will be factors for the remainder of the season regardless of if you’ve heard of them.
I bring this up bc back to my original statement of Brees spreads the ball around to too many people.
He threw for 5069 yards last season and DID NOT have 1 Wr with 1000 yards. You have no arguement to that. I understand Brees makes them better but they still gotta catch it.
by touchdown my pants on Dec 2, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Right but..
You can’t put 12 WRs out for a pattern. At most on one play you can have is 5. I’m not too scared about the FB dump pass for one TD in a season to be honest. I’m more scared about the 4-6 relevant and honest threats.
Right. Brees is insane. Not once have I said the contrary. But in one game, say an NFC Championship, to expect 12 WR (or equivalent position pass catchers) to beat a high quality team like my Vikes (and vice versa) simply isn’t going to happen. In a season..sure. One game? I’m not sold.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Well duh
but those 12 guys well take out Heath Evans now can come in on any given play and make a big play. Our 5th Wr is Courtney Roby and he’s even contributed on offense.
Did you see the TD pass to Dinkins on monday? Brees couldve thrown it to him or Shockey. My point is that you can’t cover all of them. Too many weapons.
You get to the NFC Championship game and all 12 of those guys better be ready regardless if they are in the game plan on not. Anything can happen at any given point and someone needs to step in and I for one am happy to know that all of these guys have gotten experience with Brees throughout the season and can come in and our offense won’t skip a beat. I like the depth a lot.
by touchdown my pants on Dec 2, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
not according to espn.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=nor
sorty by receiving yards.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Your top six has 21 TDs
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 2, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
amazing
your flawed logic is ridiculous, you want to give the edge to your wr’s because its more top heavy yet the qb position is a push even though drew has better numbers? also, you give yourselves the edge in the rb department if its just about the stats? (ypc – saints 4.7, vikes 4.3)
its amazing that you like the numbers when they are in your favor, but choose to ignore them when necessary.
Patriots safety Brandon Meriweather was asked, word for word, "What happened on the long touchdown?"
Said Meriweather: "Which long touchdown?"
by DrewBreesManCrush on Dec 2, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions
Appologies
If you misread me. I originally stated that our WR corp are vey close and I might take my Vikes squad becase A) I love my Vikes, and B) Its nice to finally see a WR set be respected for the first time since Carter/Moss/Reed. I reacted with stats when provoked and insulted by a few members of your sight. Believe me I am no troll and do not want to spew forth insults, only have solid football debate. I will crush people when they deserve crushing though.
Nowhere did I disrespect Brees. I think he’s playing like a football god right now. What I meant, again, was that our QBs are so close in performance that either one doesn’t necessarily give either squad an advantage, as it would if we fielded say, Tavaris Jackson VS Brees.
Running game as well I said was about scratch. I just pointed out that we get it done with one guy, AP. You have a committee. It just comes down to if you want a bunch of guys holding the rock and sharing carries or one guy who at any time can hit a home run. Personal preference really.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
site (not sight)
My apologies, I am a computer nerd. The debate you have united is amazing, and for the record I am a Saints fan but I love Brett Farve. I even cheer for the Vikes (when they aren’t the Saints opposition). Either way, great post and I appreciate the insight.
by Brazil meets LA on Dec 4, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
You know what
I have followed the Saints since about the time Katrina came around. Katrina is one of the worst things that has ever happened to this great country. I felt so sorry for the people that were affected by this, and anybody who lived in that area. When the Saints made a turn for the good what 3 years ago, I was extremely happy for the people there, because now they had something to cheer for.
I watched a couple games and said “Wow what great fans they have, so passionate and respectful.” Jepp the Viking came over here in search of Saints fans input and a conversation, he didnt come over he to get bashed, trashed, and disrespected. About 80% of these comments are so disrespectful it’s not even funny, just because the CanalStreetChronicle is a Saints fan blog doesnt mean that a fellow NFL fan cant come over here and make conversation. Not once in Jepp’s post did he badmouth the Saints, but some of you guys here continue to badmouth him and the Vikings.
Both teams are VERY good and I mean VERY good, but to say that Drew Brees is by far and away a better quarterback than Brett Favre is pretty stupid. You say Brees has better stats than Favre, well lets look at the most important stats shall we?
Favre- 69.3 Comp %, 24 TD’s 3 Ints, 8:1 TD to Int Ratio, 112.1 QB Rating
Brees- 68.8 Comp %, 27 TD’s 9 Ints, 3:1 TD to Int Ratio, 112.6 QB Rating
Looks to me that its a wash, I didnt even mention that Brees has also attempted 15 less passes and still tripled Favre’s interception total.
You also know damn well that you would rather have Adrian Peterson than the “3 headed Monster” How many people outside of New Orleans can name all three members? I know I can but I am a fan of the sport.
Lastly, don’t be confused, I am not in no way shape or form trying to say that the Saints suck. The Saints are a VERY good team and so are the Vikings. If they played at the Superdome the Saints would win 7 out of 10 times, Neutral field 5-5, MOA Field Vikes win 7 out of 10. Either team you cant go wrong, but to sit here and put down a fellow fan and to say that the Vikings suck is just plain disrespectful.
Anytime you guys wanna come over to the Dailynorseman, we would be than happy to talk football with you guys. You would bring a completely diffrent POV to our site and make it that much better because we would be able to say " Oh so Mike Bell is actually pretty good because of his X.Y rush yrds per carry."
So please just be respectful because I KNOW for a FACT that Saints fans are better than that. Just thought Id come over and try to make peace.
Merryy Christmas to all! Heres hope to seeing the most watched NFC Championship Game ever! :)
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 2, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions
Wow
Haven’t seen a post get this worked up since we beat the brakes off of all the NY teams…..And for my 2 cents (and yeppers there is homerism here)
Receivers – Vikes have very good receivers, but ours are better….
Reason? – Route running, S. Rice is jsut as fast as henderson or Meachem, but he has only started coming into his route running, all of our RXers are great route runners. Harvin is a beast and I have him in all 3 of my FF leagues. Special player, but again…we have more of them.
RBs – AP = Beastmode…No doubt…..our Run game is better……
Reason? Yards/Game…..and one other reason that I think everyone else forgot (unless I missed it) We have more rushing TDs than any other team in the League @ 18
TE – Shiancoe VS. Shockey possibly a wash since Shiancoe has more TDs, Shockey more yards. We also have David Thomas, who pass blocks, can catch, and plays at FB for us….so once again probably a wash since we dont need our TEs to score TDs they just do it when Breesus feels they need one
O-Line – Ours is the best in the League…..(yep in the LEAGUE)
Reason? – Pass Block and Run BLocking……we are the #1 Offense in yards and points/game because of these 8 BEASTS!!!! (yep 8 count em)
D-Line – Vikes hands down…..Ours are no slouches and we have so many that GW substitutes I wanna be a homer and call it a wash, but we all know the truth
Special Teams – Wash, you have Harvin and we have Moorstead with the exception of a few big returns Moorstead has shut down peeps on their return games with his big leg
And now…
QBs – 24 TDs, 3 INTs……best TD/INT ratio EVER!!!! 27 TDs, 9 INTs…..Favre is having one of the best years of his entire career…..Brees is having an average year (for the last 4 years that is) So I guess it might be a wash….as long as Brees doesn’t turn it on the last 6 games and stop being just the average ole’ Brees (which is kinda ridiculously awesome) Being honest….Brees is a better QB, better passer rating, more TDs (and more INTs) and he spreads the ball out so much that Defenses cant focus on any one or two or even three receivers…
Finally…….The real reason the Saints are better than and completely different from the Vikings…..
Coaches – SP and GW put together game plans that completely dismantle other teams…..they played very vanilla defense and offense over the past 5 weeks in preparation for this game against NE…..Thats why our games were so close…You notice that we shut people down in the second half right? Its because GW doesn’t want to show everything he has, he just wants to pick what to use to crush that particular opponent. SP has been doing the same thing. He comes up with brilliant game plans for each opponent…..Brad Childress alienated his (possible?) future QB Tavaris to take Favre ( a good move we all agree) but its a gamble on whether or not Favre will get tired late in the season say around….playoff time?
Fun post and enjoyed reading most of it from most you
Geaux Saints!!!!
Haha
we seem to be at an impass. We get it, Brees is redonkulous :)
I make the point that as of right now, the respective QBs are so close in performance that neither one gives a decisive advantage and the game would come down to some other factor, say a fumble here or return there like it almost did last year when Bush decided to return punts like The Juggernaut had a baby with Hermes.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, WOW!
…everyone’s getting their dick-measuring-sticks out I guess…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 3, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
seriously?
get over yourself. yeah, yeah, yeah. the saints are great. blah, blah, blah. at least try to have a normal conversation without resorting to sophomoric insults, you unwashed heathen.
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
by IABerserker1 on Dec 4, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
HAHAHA
unwashed heathen = epic comment
by Brazil meets LA on Dec 4, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
I have the stick...
and you are NOT measuring up.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Dec 4, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, guys.
He came in, expressed his opinion in a very respectful manner, and you totally trashed him. He didn’t crap in your house or anything; obviously you can disagree, but come on.
Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com
Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!
Don't worry about it.
I can shake off the idiots like Sweetness did defenders, its worth it to get to the few quality posters actually providing stimulating football talk. Thanks though.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Not everybody.
Not to say that makes it okay, but this was and is an enjoyable jibber-jabber with a fan of a long-hated foe, minus the ugly bits. For what it’s worth, sorry on behalf of those who get a little too exuberant, but in their defense, 1) this is a Saints blog, and 2) haven’t the Vikings gotten enough respect for top-tier receivers in their tenure?. Do we really need to agree wholeheartedly on a Saints website? That said, I don’t like when it gets retarded any more than you, I imagine.
"Think about that statement and all its implications for a second. The New England Patriots did not play up to the level of the New Orleans Saints." -Pat Yasinskas
Yup
I don’t mind the riff raff back and forth but that isn’t to say if someone makes an idiotic point I won’t do my damndest to destroy them. I simply love football talk with fans who have a brain instead of channeling 4th grade recess insults. I have to get going but if any Saints want to come chit chat throughout the season please feel free to do so over ah the Daily Norseman. Bring a solid argument or topic and for the most part you’ll get respect (we all have village idiots). Come with some weak trollish BS and you’ll get torn up. Fun talking with you guys who could offer some intelligent retort. Good luck with the rest of the season.
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
the “your an idiot” talk is just childish, this kinda talk is fun because if the Vikes keep playing like they have and the Saints keep playing like they have we will see each other in the NFC Championship game and it’ll come down to one thing…..Vikes best D-Line in the League VS. Saints O-Line also best in the league and who knows who will win that one? The real advantage will be the Domefield advantage, because our two domes are the loudest (yeppers ours is THE loudest) in the NFL
Unrelated topic
Who do the Vikings fans want as QB after this year is over? Favre may still be good to go, but you can’t be too comfortable with that setup for long. It always seemed like Minnesota was a good QB away from greatness. Even when y’all had Carter and Moss and Reed with Robert Smith(of the Cure), you had Culpepper. You finally got a great QB, having his best year ever, but to say he’s in the autumn of his career is a gross understatement. Will y’all be wanting to develop a rookie? Or is there a potential free agent that looks promising? Or will Tarvaris Jackson be the “QB of the Future”? God help you, if you end up with option C, but just curious what you guys think about that.
"Think about that statement and all its implications for a second. The New England Patriots did not play up to the level of the New Orleans Saints." -Pat Yasinskas
Make no illusions
we are fully aware Brett is a 1 to at most 2 year fix. After that, we can only hope to draft someone worth taking the reigns up. That is, unless, Tavaris Jackson suddenly learns via telepathy from Brett. Who knows?
by Jepp The Viking on Dec 2, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
maybe they can get a QB with the 29th pick
by touchdown my pants on Dec 2, 2009 5:06 PM CST reply actions
In all seriousness,
there’s a pile of potential pro-caliber QB’s coming out this year. 29th will probably be a lesser-known one, but most of the Heisman candidates would be iffy in the NFL at best, I imagine, and there are some impressive-looking less-than-top-10 BCS QB’s coming out that could end up being real players with a little time.
"Think about that statement and all its implications for a second. The New England Patriots did not play up to the level of the New Orleans Saints." -Pat Yasinskas
check this article out
a little something something, since apparently we fans aren’t the only ones looking at a potential match up between our teams
http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_13909103?source=rss
if I’m allowed to post that, not sure
nice reference
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Dec 4, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
as i said above this ends your dumb debate
Look our three TEs have 6 tds so not a big deffrence where a team by commitee, three scoring TEs, five scoring backs( i think hamilton has one if not than 4)4 scoring wide rec we everyone on our team can burn you and burn you bad we don’t rely on three people to win a game, we rely on ten at anytime .so him haveing 8tds means nothing cause our full backs have three also those could have went to anyone how many TDs does your fullback have !!!!none? so we win there too.Fact is bress has completed 12 passes less than farve and he has 300 yards more than him.our recivers have 12 to 25 less catches than yours and yet were almost right there with you.We have done more with less and thats why Brees if better, thats why our recivers are better thats why our team is better
as Bill of thats Pats said we run them all
we run just about every Offensive formation there>even the commentators that night said they think sean payton has every Ofensive play ever created
we stoped AP no problem our secondary was just horendas
Now it our strenth on the D you barley beat us last year and that was with the worst pass D in the leauge ( as did ever team)I know you have Farve but you must understand Greg Williams Takes your best players out the QB. no QB has gotten overa 55 qb rating(if Brady with the 2nd OFF in the NFL can’t why do you think Farve can) in 11 games if you have no QB then you cannot stay with us.
this game is about cofidence look at the titans prime example.Look at us in 07 come out and lose 4 in a row destroyed our cofidence.Weve played teams that where great till we got to them.Now there doing bad and one of the reasons people say weve haven’t played many teams with a winning record.Well when we played them only three of them didnt have a winning record.we stole their cofidence and their momentum.Then we gave people a blueprint(miamis wilcat prime example,)on how to beat those teams.half of those teams we’re being picked to represent their confrence or the Super bowl and we walked over them and then they fell apart.none of those teams where falling apart till we got to them.They consist of names like Philly,Giants,Miami,Patriots,Carolina,Alanta all division champions or super bowl winners or playoff teams for the last decade.while the vikes have faced the likes of Bears,Sanfran,Rams,Seattle,Lions,and many more horrible teams.
what I ask you and be honest with yourself if you would have faced the same teams as us do you really thing youd be 9-1do you really beleive that
then i ask if we had faced your teams do you think any of them would have stopped us
If your answer is yes than your just a homer and you dont know football you only know your team
Considering we will also face
Carolina, Giants, and the CARDINALS who went to the SB last year, and the division leading Bengals we will find out.
And you didnt exactly blow your teams out. I think the Saints are in for a HUGE letdown next week against the Skins, let it be known that you heard it here first. Im not exactly saying that they will lose but I wont be surprised if they play a crappy game and not be as dominant
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 2, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
No I didn't graduate English
but i did graduate in the School of football and I know what im seeing thank god this aint a english blog
Running backs? Hmmm our 2?
Last I checked we have 1a/1b/1c….. And watch out 1c can come out of the backfeild and do his signature superman leap on you. That’s if he doesn’t motion out of the backfield and line up in the slot or outside as yet another receiver. Or he could just be a decoy and stay in and block if you blitz or he could release a be a safety valve. Sean Payton’s offense is about creating mismatches. Now if you really care to discuss balance and depth I would give the nod to N.O. and that is no stretch. Look NO has as many if not more players/starters than anyone else in the NFL on IR and are still 11-0. Pro-Bowl talented LT prime example been gone all season. Theres still lots of regular season to get through yet. I think NO can withstand injuries better overall than the Vikings at this point. As we have and will be getting several starters back in the coming weeks. Now as for the close game with Rams several things to consider when viewing that game St. Louis gets it’s first win and a bye to get ready for the Saints. Saints play game with starters (DT) Ellis, (S) Sharper, and (CB) Greer, out of the game then (CB) Porter goes down in the second quarter. Bring in (CB) Torrence, he got hurt goes to IR (CB) Gay injures hammy and still they found a way to win. What would the Vikings be able to do without 4 of their CBs? And one of the Williams? Ask yourself that question.
by NOSFan4Life on Dec 3, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Now your top six receiving stats.
Vikings 234 receptions for 2959 yards and 22 tds.
So by my math that is a little over 12.6 ypc and 1 td to just a bit over 10.6 completions.
Saints 189 receptions for 2744 yards and 21 tds.
So by the same math that is a little over 14.5 ypc and 1 td to every 9 completions on the nose.
youve got some bad stats
att com
Brees is 343-236 3,117 yards 27tds
Farve 358-248 2,874 yards 24 tds
Brees has thrown 15 less times completed 12 less passes and has more TDs and yards over 243 yards in less 250 yards is two and half football feilds on just 12 passes less this comparison like the rest at the top of this page is just dribble and nosense
darshiva420 these were the stats posted by Jepp for the top six yardage receivers for
both teams. Not for the QBs total passing.
I know
Im just trying to show no matter who the recivers are weve done more with less and that make our QB and rec better
Now if you just look at the numbers as bigger is better.
But to look at them in terms of efficiency I take NO numbers.
Now if you really think bigger numbers are better....
Saints fans will take 3800 -4000 yards passing and 16-0.
Over 5,000 yards passing and 8-8. And when was the last time Favre passed over 5,000 yards in a season. Ohhhh wait he never did only other to do it was Marino.
And to think all those yards and not one 1,000 yard receiver and the #1 receiver hurt for a big portion of the year. Why Saints fans have a hard time with other fans dissing our receivers by saying theirs are better week-in and week-out.. It’s the depth issue to us. You loose your Harvin and then? You loose your Rice? We loose a Colston we have a Meachum. We loose Henderson we have a Moore. Etc. etc. etc……
We didnt have Harvin last year and STILL made the playoffs
Rice was out al lot last year with a knee injury and was virtually inafective most of the year, so Thats your answer
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 3, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
You loose your AP? Big reduction in production.
We went without PT at the beginning of the year we had MB and RB. PT came back MB went out. MB came back RB went down. Now RB is coming back.
When AD goes down
Chester Taylor is no slouch, he had over 800 yards in 07 starting while Peterson was injured
Adrian Peterson...Beast Mode
agree
Chester Taylor would probably get alot more carries if he was on any other team. I’d see him having more carries than Bell if he were a Saint. He wouldn’t be as exciting as AP about it, but he’s very capable of 100 yards and TD in a game he starts.
see we’re not all homers :P
He has 1200 yrds in 06
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by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 3, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I have a question.
I remember the last 2 or so seasons I would head over to the vikings blog and read about Childress’ offense. Mostly what i heard were things predictable play calling and an overall lack of variety in the passing game. Was Tavaris that bad? Has the playbook been expanded? Is Favre that much better at execution of the same plays? Does Harvin open things up more? Your passing game has gone from non existent to one of the best in the league. It was so bad last year many of you were calling for a new head coach, which was understandable. To not win playoff games with the talent on that team was pretty unacceptable.
So what is it? WHO DUN IT…who made the vikings pass game relevant?
Combination of things changed....
Favre being the biggest….The passing offense has been elevated greatly due to Favre being able to recognize the different D schemes he is facing and reacting/changing the play on the line….TJ was ok, and Ferotte too, but neither is close to Favre in this regard….He does not look for a particular player, he spreads it around, as Brees does….
Also, the receivers Favre is throwing to have developed…i.e. Harvin was a great pick up, and Rice and Shank both have grown into their roles (plus Rice was injured last year, this year not – as Berrian is this year – hamstring issues)…and with Favre throwing to them….lots more confidence on all sides…other names you may hear of also play a part – AD, Dugan, Taylor, Tahi, Kleinsasser, Lewis, etc. can and have made catches….
Going back to the original post here, The corps of receivers that Brees has, their performance, and for that matter the entire team (O, D, RB, etc.) IS quite similar to Vikes ‘98..Jepp (author) may suffer from “homerism,” as some have said, but I would say no more than any fan does for his team…Bottom line is there are two great teams this year in the NFC and Indy is pretty darn good (maybe Chargers, let’s see) in the AFC….
Is a bit early yet, and there is still a lot of football to be played….But seems likely that our two teams will meet in the NFC Championship game…whether in your dome or ours….and we will be playing for an opportunity to meet either Indy or the Chargers (or someone!) in the SB…
I am looking forward to it, and think it will be a real slugfest. Could be scoring like a basketball game…Brees and Favre laying out the ball up and down the field….Good luck to NO for the remainder of the season….Don’t slow down, we are right there if you do….and sure we will see each other on the field come January!! Cheers! Heading back over to my site now, Daily Norseman!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 3, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
man why do these chumps
think that farve and his misfits would do better than Brady and his.Why do these people look at what we’ve done to QBs and think they will do better.Man open up your eyes people farve will have no higher than 55% passer rating do you think that will win.I don’t everone fell to relize is you have no QB when you face us.everyteam gets a lucky throw here or there but thats it.we made the Pats look like the Bears.I dont even want to talk about how you paid the Refs that game ( I cant say much on that cause we got away with a few)but that Bears game was the worst refing ive ever seen.Your team cant make the Pats look like the Bears,your team couldnt even beat the Pats.We will have 1st seed cause you can beat most teams but not good ones you’ll beat the Cards but Cincy will take you down and that will give us a little coushion just in case we want to sit our starters for the Panthers game.
OK....
You have all the answers….I do not even have to watch the rest of the games – either NO nor the Vikes!
Oh wait, I better watch the playoffs…when the NO team ends up very possbly as the 98 Vikes did…watching the SB from their televisions!
I see nothing here but opinion and innuendo….Is great you support your team (as I do the Vikes)…but come on…
Let’s agree that being a fanatic and throwing around put downs and opinions versus facts at the end of the day can make you look foolish….
When your team does not do what you blindly believe they will….I think you may be setting yourself up for a letdown?
Favre and his misfits…no higher than a 55% passer rating…no QB when facing NO…paid the refs for that game (assume against Bears?)…etc.
When you state such things and at the end they all are just frankly empty chatter, you make anything valid you are trying to state not believable….
Think about above….let’s all be adults here and use the sense God gave us to discuss the teams, their strong and weak points, and of course each fan will have his own opinion on who may win/lose….but stated without slurs and BS….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 4, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
whether it's us or you(i'm thinking and hoping us of course), I think the SB ring will go to one of us if either make it
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Dec 4, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
I would like to see that....
There are compelling story lines for both NO and the Vikes….
I hope it is one of their years….
SD may have a shot against Indy….
Would be nice to see a couple of new faces in the SB for a change….
Also a 1st SB victory for a team that has none….
Cheers!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 5, 2009 6:40 AM CST up reply actions
How do the Vikings Fans expect us to react to this post?
Did you really think Saints fans will gush over your team? Our team is better, I don’t have to sit here and back it up with stats or anything else. I’m not going to be an objective fan. I have drank the kool aid and I’m wearing my black and gold shaded glasses. Life is good. My whole heart is in it this year, so I can’t blame some of the Saints Fan who get on here and defend their team. We have had 11 sets of opposing teams come on this site and tell us how their team in some way or another is better than our team. So far the Saints been a better team. I think, including myself, the Saints fan are tired the lack of respect. You can have your Brett Farve, Percy Harvin, Rice, AP and Jared Allen. They are good and great players, but we have a Great team. If we are both lucky enough to get into the NFC championship game, then we will see who is the better team.
Or whoever gets farther in the playoffs
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 3, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Jepp came with a lack of respect
If anything I think he was looking at comparisons and albeit he is homering a bit, did a fairly accurate portrayal. I do think Brees is a better QB currently, but Favre has come into a vaccuum that really makes him look like a hero to most of the nordic fan base. Honestly, I don’t know who is the better team, NO looks strong rediculously so, but I don’t think they are unbeatable. personally I hope both teams stay healthy and we meet in the play offs.
plus 2000
and I think you even spelled everything right lol.thank you for maybe saying what they dont understand.Ive watched several of the vikes games and been impressed by none of them.i can’t think of one team theve beat that will make a deffrence.if they face us it’ll be like college vs pop warner the good thing also is if we face them.They will be on a much lower lv because of the teams the’ve faced.Its gonna be bad they won’t even know what to do once they meet a real football team
You talk a lotta shit you know that
Im one of the biggest Vikings fans you’ll find, but I NEVER talk this much smack. Saying that we’re a poop warner team and your a cpllege team is the DUMBEST thing I’ve heard in a long time. If we’re such a PW team then Y did we
A) go toe-to-toe with the World Champions when they were completely healthy
B) Stop the 49er’s MoJo, who people thought we’re gonna win the West
C) Beat the Packers Twice- who happen to be 7-2 when not playing the Vikings
D) Beat the Ravens who went to the AFC Championship game
E) Have the second most points per game.
Get off your computer and go do your homework.
As for the rest of you Saints fans, I actually respect you guys. You guys hav talked smack but thats what we do, but you havent talked Shit and thats why I respect you guys.
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 4, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
agree we may see who is the better team
If both teams make it that far….lot of foottball to play yet…but is looking good for both teams to meet in the championship game…
I am sure that you have people coming in week in and week out as we do over at the DN site…I do think the post from Jepp does not fall into the category of what the other fans may have posted…
We have a weekly dialogue with a fan from the next opponent over on DN, and it is always kept respectable and civilized…..Trolls are not welcome there, as I am sure they are not here…
I know the feeling about enjoying the year….NO and the Vikes are having great years and have many players that are playing outstanding….It is a lot of fun to watch them play…
These years do not come along so often so we should enjoy! Here’s to some more good football and a great playoff series for both NO and the Vikes!
See where the chips may fall….my bets are on the Vikings, and I know where yours are…it’s all good! Cheers….
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 4, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
to be fair,
MY heart is all in for the vikings EVERY year. and if this had been several years back when the saints were awful, would any of you be fighting this hard? when they are good you’ll fight, when they are bad, you don’t give a hoot. well played, and look out, you’re bandwagon is leaving.
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by IABerserker1 on Dec 4, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
We dont
Jepp came over to say both teams have a likeness,and should be a good match up when we meet at the Championship.Everything you feel about your team we feel about ours,and then some.
We already Respect your Team,thats why most of us come here to blog a bit,get a feel for the Boards,little banter to what we already know is going to happen.
You guys are having a great Year and you deserve it,but dont destroy it by not being deserving fans.I remember when your Stadium was filled with paper bags over your heads.
Theres 5 games left in the Season,lot can happen between there and now,most Vike Fans just looking for a little friendly banter.
Aint no need get swolled chests over something aint happen yet,or disrespect each others Teams no how.How about,we agree both Teams,good and disagree after the game.Cause I tell you it going be 1 hella of game no matter who win.
We know why Jepp came over here
We know what he wanted and did do but because he and you all are so biased and so far from reality that you can’t see true comparsons as they are.then after we explain it to you you still dont get it.This is not my website and I dont have controll on who post what,and I dont mind that you do it,but saints fans are a special breed.We have a lot of knowledge of football and other teams(in most cases many of us have more than one team cause of the Saints past.Weve been able to evaluate teams our whole lives.We know good football.The Vikings are playing good football,but we’re playing great record breaking football.If you could see through those purple shades and see the defrences than you would understand that there arent near as many simularitys.When we show you the defrence you stay biased don’t offer any good rebute thats backed by wisdom or knowledge, and then get upset if we tell you how dumb you are.im a man i’m a football man,you can call me a drunk,a dumb cajun,illitirate,what ever you want,its not gonna hurt my feelings.Why ?because I know my team is the greatest and there aint no dumbass vike gonna come on here and tell me other wise.
This one is for you Darshiva
The funny thing is no one is trying to take away your thunder. Not at all. If you think we are I believe your missing the point. What we were trying to do Darshiva is talk about the teams in an open way. We have done this with several other sites over this year (even the Pack) and as it looks more and more like we may meet in the play offs we opened up line of communications with you. If you would like to live in a box and only rub the Saints juice on you go ahead.
However, if you enjoy football, and enjoy talking about it then this kind of discussion can be fun and informative. You have a great QB, your wide receivers I don’t know so well which is one of the reasons I came over here. Your defense (last time I checked) was ranked 16th in the NFL and that was something else I was interested in. Is you D that bad or is it because you score quickly and the D is stuck on the field a lot. Does any of this matter? No, I’m not making decisions on the field (AVF I wouldn’t have taken a knee in 98) but it is fun for me to do while I anxiously await the next game.
Hope
all you Saints fans aint like this,had hope to get some insight to your Team as they dont show many Saints games up here.But I can see its a waste of time here.
Too bad you dont get Saints games
If you did, you would see some great football instead of what your watching.
man some of you got to many feelings
Are you football fans or ballet,if you want some insights ask some questions,so far theve been statements and opions that I don’t agree with.Not once have you tried any dialouge you either backed your own opion the writer of the colomn or to state how shocked you are that a grown man would call you stupid, dumbass, retarded. in some way i wonder about your own self easteme, I’m I right that im saying it, and your mad i’m right, or do you really just want some sympathy.
to my fellow saints fans that want to jump on the Vikes fans nuts and worried about their feeling I’m sorry.the words I use are part of the english language.I think they get the point across better than your wrong,or your uninsightfull,or any other word you can fit into that catgorie.You can clearly see my name under the posts and you should not read them.I do not want to argue with a fellow Saints fan Im blunt uneducated and im a in your face type of guy, and could care less what anyone thinks of my grammer, spelling, or puntuation I come on sites specificaly to enjoy other people voices,give my opions,and tell people there idiots if I beleive they are.I dont get to vulger or threaten anyone and should be able to express my opinon and aggression how i see fit.I hate the Vikings I ve hated them for 20 years and have been on the bandgwagon since, I could say the word Saints. So screw the vikeings and everyone of the their stupid ass fans that dont no a football if it hit em in the face
Darshiva420
Because I am a fair man lets try an experiment shall we to finally settle the difference.
I will go to 6 different SB Nation Sites- Colts, Bears, Packers, Panthers, Falcons, and the Bengals and be putting up a post on team Comparisons and we’ll find out what UNBIASED people think. Then ill look at the results and post them here at CanalStreet regardless if the Saints had better results than the Vikings ok? Ok. Gimme a little time to gather results and count them.
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 4, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions
*Post them here and at DailyNorseman of course*
Now I know this won’t say a lot, but some of you gus keep talking about the “Purple Shades” or the “Black and Gold” shades, the kool-aid, and the “Homerism”.
I Should have my results by Monday night.
Purple Haze is the worlds greatest Natural Resource.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Dec 4, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
My Truth
Truth: Before Favre, the Vik,ings were a mediocre team at best. Favre comes with experiance and a great football mind. He can throw the ball and tear apart defenses. He proved that when he played with the Jets and he is proving that now. He has not had to throw as many passes this season because he has AP to take a lot of the load. This saves his arm and keeps him from throwing the INTs that he is famous for. One of the guys that I work with is a die hard Green Bay fan and he hates the fact that Green Bay let Favre go. He hates the fact that Favre went to Minnesota more so. Favre was and still is an awesome QB. If we didn’t have Drew Brees, I would love for him to be slinging the ball for the Saints. We have the personnel that would give him the same advantage he has in Minn. We have a truck load of receivers and tight ends to throw the ball to. He has a defense that stops teams in their tracks and gets him back on the field. If he were on the Saints and Drew Brees were on the Vikings, I would still give it to the Saints. I am not saying that Favre is a better QB, but that the Saints have a better team. You say that we can have only 5 people on the field to throw to(at most). Well you are right. It’s just that you don’t know who Brees is going to throw it to. ******NEWS FLASH***** THIS JUST IN The Saints are holding open practice at Tulane this weekend. Saints insiders are quoted as saying “Drew feels that he needs some more people to catch his TD passes. He feels that he wants to help the people of New Orleans even more by letting the common citizen be a part of the Who Dat nation by catching TD passes” Now back to the story. How many DB’s do you think it will take to make sure Brees doesn’t complete a pass?? You are going to have to line up in nickle and dime just to keep the recievers from getting the ball. And that is when we will just run it up the gut. Your D Line is killer, but even they will tire of having to stop the run. Your DB’s will tire from having to run 30-40 yards just to keep up with our wide outs. And when our wide outs get out of breath, we will put 2-3 more in that have fresh legs and run them ragged also. It’s easy to go 6 deep in your roster to try and beat the Saints, but we can go deeper. We have D-linemen that can go 2 deep in the roster to keep the legs fresh. I think that is the crux of the situation. That is why the Saints keep winning. Our players are good deep in the roster. Our second stringers would be starters on other teams. Our depth has kept the team fresh and that is why we rule the 4th quarter. We ahve a fresh team that can play as hard as they did in the 1st and wear other teams out. I know it’s not a stat that I can pull up so I can compare it with other teams, it’s just an observation. The only thing that I can think of using as a comparrison is the fact we outscore teams in the 4th like 120 something to some very little number. I don’t have it off hand but everyone knows its true. So take your stats on how many catches so and so has and how many sacks whatever, and think about the long haul. It really matters in the 4th. Who has the fresher team?? The Saints do and that is how they win games
by Saintsfan75 on Dec 5, 2009 2:19 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
green it
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Dec 5, 2009 3:51 AM CST up reply actions
Your team is very good yes....
Exciting to watch and never can count them out….Will they go undefeated this year? If they DO go undefeated, does it automatically mean a SB victory? In the past as we have seen (NE) no….
There is a post over on DN site you all may want to check out….Is in ref to overall D standings, run and passing D, and connection to teams performance playing in the SB….
Lays out who has won/lost in the SB and their stats ref D….Interesting post, and maybe implications for both our teams….There are so many factors involved on the game, but D is certainly an important one…
Brings up some questions I have for NO fans…What do you think?
(1) How will the Saints beef up their D between now and the playoffs to increase their chances at a W?
- Will what they have in place be enough to get there and take it all?
- Does the super productivity of Brees make up for the D on any given Sunday so no need to address?
- Run D seems to be the focus of the stat analysis over on the DN site….NO run D is below average (based only on the arbitrary categories set up by the post author). Is there anything that NO can do to improve their stats/performance and if so what?
(2) Can Brees keep up his most excellent performance through the remainder of the year and does he need to? There have been NO games when the TDs have come from running moreso than from passing….and you have gotten the W….
In the interest of a good dialogue I post this….No bashing now, please! I really want to read about your well thought out feelings/opinions on this….
Truthfully I am focusing on our game Sunday against the Cards….BUT thought the little bit of time blogging outside of that focus, would be interesting to get the opinions of our likely opponent in the NFC Championship game lol….
Cheers from afar!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 5, 2009 7:00 AM CST up reply actions
The URL for the Defense Wins Championships:
Thought better to post here to make it easy to get to the site I am referring to ref D….
Interesting read and worth your time!
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2009/12/3/1184346/defense-wins-championships-at
Cheers!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 5, 2009 7:12 AM CST up reply actions
now see I can be civil
we wont add anyone to our D Ellis and Fujita where out for 4 weeks,in that 4 weeks (ellis five weeks)we faced Ronnie Brown,Ricky Williams,Micheal Turner,,Deangelo Williams.Johnthan Stewart,Steven Jacson,Cadilac Williams,in a row.So with injured starters and probly 4 of some of the best run teams your gonna give up yards.we was ranked 4th in stopping the run till we lost those starters and went up against those teams.
Plus alot of those yards we’re on big plays that we gave up so their deceiving.(normaly if you give up 150 yards a game you lose)but those yards came fast and wern’t relavent unless they scored.they were both back when we played the Pats and there was a big defrence and Ellis was still a little rusty.Plus those stats are very deciveing if you would have seen the games(miami was the first one so we were nervous)after that though a team could be up 14 and we wouldnt even blink our D is very soild and very deep.If you took away the kickoff returns and the TD or OFF gave up on turnovers and our D would probly be averaging 12 to 14 points allowed on D.
your answer to your second question is YES.last year as you know Brees threw for over 5000 yards never slowing down one time the whole year(yes he had off games but not many)ther has been several games where Brees htrew no touchdown s or only one and weve had a couple where we scored more on the ground.Thats why where so hard to beat where like Indy in the air,and lke the Titans on the ground.Thats why we don’t lead in the passing yards,or running yards the teams that are beaten us(in stats) are one demensional they have alot more snaps going to run or the pass.I mean come on have you ever heard of a team that was in the top 5 of passing and running. I bet if you went off attempts and leveled them evenly we probly be 1st in both, but one deminsal teams are gonna be better cause they do one thing much more. our run to pass is almost equal 50/50 ratio.
Thanks Darshiva420....
There was more real analysis here than in all your other posts….
Injuries do have a way of changing D….we have been somewhat fortunate this year in only having lost Winfield and Herrara to this point. Not sure either of them will be back for the upcoming game against Cards, but we sure do miss ’em….
Agree that teams do not have to be in the top in either O or D to win….witness the stats of the leading three teams now….they have balance on both sides…..
May come down to turnovers and special teams for our match….do not think that playing the game in either your dome or ours will make a difference, both are loud….and the teams are used to it….
Have a good time against Washington! Our match against Cards may be more of a match….we shall see!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 5, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Dark makes good points
Brees doesn’t have to make up for the defense. Last year, yes. This year, no. Our D is legit. We have enough depth to make up for injuries for a game or two right now. Come playoff time, I think we will be healthy and we’ll be ok. We did just beef up our secondary by signing McKenzie and McCalister. As far as the run D, Dark makes the best points. We were missing some guys and played some of the best rushing teams in the league. Brees can keep it up. He hasn’t slowed down yet? I’m not saying 5 TD performances but good solid performances. Our run D helps him out alot too. I think the biggest point that Shiva made was being fresh in the 4th quarter. Your D needs alot of depth to keep up with us in the 4th, especially with our 3 headed attack in the backfield. That is an advantage for us and probably the biggest.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
You are so right
about the run defense. I would not change a thing especially since Big Sed is back. He was a little rusty in the Pat game, missed some key tackles, but I think he will be back into the run stop mode by Sunday. And your right, Brees didn’t miss a beat when he threw for 5000+ last season and he is not looking to stop now. I think part of the reason we were slinging and flinging last year was because we were trying to come from behind. Kinda like a desperation type thing. But this year it’s all about ball control in the 4th and clock management. Drew isn’t throwing the ball like a mad man in every game. He did quite a job against the Pats, but that was to be expected. I think Peyton wanted to show everybody what happens when we bring our A game. We showed it in the beginning of the season and we are showing it now. I think that the whole thing with Drew’s mom is behind him now and he is over his funk. He is back to concentrating on the team and being the leader that he is. What we have in place to get us that Superbowl win is heart. We as fans and players have a lot of it. We are so engrossed in our team that we will challenge everyone that comes to this cite tooth and nail, as some have had the privy to see ;) But we are proud of our Saints, and if you come here thinking to compare your team with the best team in the NFL, be prepared to face some of the big dogs.
Justly so (proud)
Know the feeling….we are the same in the tundras!
; )
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 5, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Youth and exuberance....
No defense, but how many of us have never driven too fast?
Mistake yes…..no doubt….
Criminal…naw…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 5, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
OK
People in glass houses should not throw stones….
Harmless….no….
Glass can hurt you when it breaks….
As when holier than thou comes back to haunt you….
Ask Tiger about that…..
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 5, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
somehow
I think that it is odd that his speed was 109 in a 55. What is twice the speed limit?? 110?? I am not sure if there are laws that state that certain matters need to be taken if the offendant has doubled the speed limit. I am not going to be a pot kettle person since I got a ticket for doing 75 in a 65 when I was going 135. It took the cop 10 minutes to catch up to me after I slowed down blush was headed to OzFest rocking out to Tool. When I saw the lights I told my friend he might have to call someone to pick him up because I am probably going to go to jail. When the cop pulled me over, he asked me if I knew how fast I was going, I said "like 85 cause the speed limit where I was was 75. He laughed. That was when I knew I was going to get out of it.
Isnt over 20 MPH considered Suicidal Driving
I mean that’s what the Cop told my buddy for doing 65 in a 25. Granted it was a backroad that had no houses on it and was always empty but…
That (AP sppeding) has nothing to do with the possible game. Honestly right now I’m not worried about the Vikes. I wanna school the skins. ‘One game at a time gentelmen, One game at a time.’
And it will come to pass that all those who have wronged you will learn that vengance is truly the Lord's ---- but just for the record... You are not the Lord.
Ummm Spell Check?
*speeding
And it will come to pass that all those who have wronged you will learn that vengance is truly the Lord's ---- but just for the record... You are not the Lord.
35 over
is wreckless endagerment. Which means you can pick up jail time, and lose your license. Now I got nabbed going 112 in a 70 mph zone. So I was definitely in the area for the hammer to fall on me. However, I got a lawyer and didn’t even get a point on my license and had to pay exactly 212 and go to a day of traffic school.
The reason I say this is because it’s not that serious of an issue and the judicial system acts acccordingly. Otherwise there wouldn’t be ways out of it.
Know what you mean....
My focus is on week to week as well….
Cards up for us….
Good Luck!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Dec 6, 2009 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
reckless driving is 20 or 30 over the speed limit
depending where you live. You can go to jail for it. I don’t think that AP’s speeding will have any effect on his on field performance. I can’t say anything about him really since I got clocked going 67 in a 45. Thank goodness that reckless driving is 30 in Mississippi. Cant’ do that now since I live in Indiana and it’s 20 here.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Dec 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
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