Saints @ Falcons: Time to go from Sprint Mode to Marathon Mode?
Before I even touch on this matchup, I just want to say how crazy of a week it's been. After that improbable and ridiculous Redskins win we somehow managed to pull off (I'm still not quite sure how), the aftermath has been comical. By now you've all seen the TV Shot to Death video that's been circulating, and you've also seen the rise in popularity to celebrity status that The Uknown Who Dat has gotten. Funny, this "news" has been courtesy of the fan base almost entirely as the national media, relatively speaking, continues to ignore us (though the Brees appearance on Leno was nice to see). Add all these strangely funny things happening this week to the laughable underperforming play of Charles Grant, and you've got yourself the trifecta of hilarity.
Anyway, I digress, and as the Saints enter this weekend's clash against the Falcons it's time, in my opinion, to shift gears from sprint mode to marathon mode.
Don't confuse my title for saying that I don't think the Saints should go for 16-0. I'll settle that by coming out and saying the following: If the Saints are 15-0 going into Carolina in week 17, I think Drew Brees should start the game. What I am saying is this: The ultimate goal of the Saints is winning the Super Bowl, and the less risks we take to ensure that the ultimate goal has the best chance of happening, the better.
There's a fine line between what you can and can't do when you're seeking perfection at 16-0 and winning a Super Bowl, but at this point with the division sealed up, being one win away from a first round playoff bye and having a two game lead on home field advantage with four games left, I think a slight tweak in approach is called for.There is nothing I would have changed from the approach the Saints had throughout the Redskins game. It was close, sloppy, and it saw the Saints go down two scores multiple times. They had to go for the win and give it their all. Should the same scenario happen this week at Atlanta, then they shouldn't change the approach there either.
That said, it's entirely possible with both Michael Turner and Matt Ryan likely out Sunday that the Saints could have a three posession lead in the third quarter. Yes, they had trouble against a struggling Redskins team; Yes, the defensive backfield is in shambles; Any given Sunday, that's why they play the game yada, yada, etc... I get all that. But they're also capable of blowing them out. If that happens, I saw some things in the Patriots game I would not want repeated.
At this point it's not one game at a time anymore. You have to consider what's best long term now. After Bill Belicheck quit on the Saints down 38-17, I remember thinking to myself as Mike Bell took the clock running carries: "Why not run Lynell Hamilton here. He's active..." Sure enough, Bell went limping to the sidelines and had me cursing, "You idiots!"
And who came in for Bell but Pierre Thomas. Ok, fine, Bell is the closer and you don't want to give the Patriots any new signs of life because of their pedigree. At this point, though, I would argue we have too much to lose. Kyle Eckel was about to be cut, for God's sake. Throw him to the wolves and let him run the football. If we happen to be up 21 points in the third quarter against Atlanta on Sunday, I not only want Lynell Hamilton running the ball, I want Mark Brunell handing the ball off and I want him running behind Zach Strief, Jamar Nesbit, Nick Leckey and Darnell Dinkins. I also want Usama Young, Pierson Prioleau, Marcus McCauley and Chris Reis in the defensive backfield. Yes, the Saints would potentially be exposed to a comeback but they can always put their starters back in without risking them during that potential comeback run.
I'm not saying we don't go for 16-0, but I'm saying the Saints have to be smarter about how they try to do it, and it can't be a guns blazing effort. No one here wants to see the Saints get 16-0 at the expense of the ultimate prize. Over the next four games I'm sure we'll see the Saints build a big lead at least a time or two, and I'm hopeful they've learned their lesson from how the game ended against New England. It's not one game at a time anymore, because they've clinched a playoff birth and they're about to clinch a first round bye. The Saints are now in the full blown marathon discussion, and some pacing would be smart.
Do you guys think I'm being too cautious? I'm sure there's some of you that are thinking 16-0 at all cost. I know you can't play worrying about injuries, but isn't there a difference between being scared and being smart?
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Lets's wait who's inactive on sunday then and...
“I also want Usama Young, Pierson Prioleau, Marcus McCauley and Chris Reis in the defensive backfield”
Who’s got to say they are not better than the Washington starters… LOL
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the past two years serve as proof
that yes, the backfield could be worse
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Dec 12, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Anyway...
I think they will play flat-out untill Dallas then not taking stupid risks can (and should) happen
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Great points
I agree on this I say we build a big lead against the Falcons and lets see the backups in the game
Not only to safe guard our starters but to give them alot of playing time you never know when they will be needed and the more game time they have the better prepared they will be if needed
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 12, 2009 7:18 AM CST reply actions
NO, not at all...
NO, not at all…
I understand exactly what your say’n & could’nt agree more. It makes all the sence in the world & im almost POSSITIVE that Coach Payton probably learned a lil bit from that Patriot’s game. YES, he pushed a lil much by continuing to push & play our marguee player’s, when it was unneccesary. I HOPE that they keep PUSHING & not let up, but be SMART at the same time. Like u said, it’s NO longer (Game-2-Game) & we are pretty BANGED up in our secondary, so we need to evaluate & utilize what we have & push it to the MAX!!!
Needless to say though, im confident that they work it all out & stay SMART. I honestly believe that not only will they be as cautious as possible, while at the same time play’n at an extremely high level & not let up at all.
We WILL be fine, i have NO doubt’s at all!!!
(Like Bree’s said)… We have’nt even PEAKED yet, we can be alot BETTER!!!
I’m SORRY, but that’s a SCARY thought, to know they can be
BETTER than they already are… OUCH!!!
(BeWaRe), lol!!!
I Agree 100%
and I think when we get to games 15 and 16, resting some or many players will increasingly look attractive. It’s all about the Super Bowl. Going undefeated means we make history. But if we win the Super Bowl, even then we will make history.
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"SPRINT" mode?
nice cross-branding, Dave and Saints-Nation…our corporate sponsors will be proud!
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no no no
I always let you know when a post is sponsored.
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by Dave Cariello on Dec 12, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
sorry if I touched a nerve, Dave...I was just kidding around :-)
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no nerve was touched in the making of this comment
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by Dave Cariello on Dec 12, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
OK, Andrew - Thanks
I am Hans (not very creative with my screenname…). And I’ve been meaning to tell you for awhile that I’m glad you joined the “staff” of CSC. I have enjoyed reading your posts. You always pick up on a few things that completely get past me every game in your player grades, and your other pieces always reflect good research/knowledge and give us a good question to consider.
Happy Game Day Everyone!!!
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andrew - what an awful name
i would not broadcast that around if i were you. i’d rather be called mr. spluge than andrew.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
Dave has a hissy fit if I call him Davy. I guess "Andy" is taboo? Just wonderin'.
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by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 14, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
I can understand and appreciate your points, S-N
I am in the same ballpark as you, I think.
I feel that pulling starters once the game is “in hand” (because one game “in the hand” is worth 2 future games “in the BUSH!” HaHa. Maybe that’s FINALLY how we can take it one game at a time while looking ahead wisely, too!) in a natural, “we want to win the game, but we don’t need to risk our starters once the outcome is no longer in doubt” manner. But I also think it’s going to be a matter of opinion as to when a game is “in hand” though.
But pulling them too early and not letting them play enough to stay alert and “game-ready” could be problematic, especially if it starts happening in Week 14 of a 17-week season.
Either way, it’ll be LHO’s decision, which, no matter what it is we can discuss and dissect it here ad nauseum.
Also, let’s discuss this a bit more:
After Bill Belicheck quit on the Saints down 38-17, I remember thinking to myself as Mike Bell took the clock running carries: “Why not run Lynell Hamilton here. He’s active…” Sure enough, Bell went limping to the sidelines and had me cursing, “You idiots!”
I forget at what minute on the clock that this occurred in the game, but it reminds me of the Atlanta game, when Payton ran MB and PT late, and they both fumbled, and many of us thought Payton should have had Brees kneeling out the clock.
So my point is, what is the best strategy when it’s in the gray area of, “we can’t quite run out the clock yet” but “we’re not trying to run a real drive and score more points.” If you keep the starters in and one of them fumbles because he’s worn out or gets injured, it would be/it WAS terrible. But, if you put in a guy who hasn’t been in this game at all (or maybe who hasn’t seen any significant action in weeks), do you run the risk on this player fumbling or otherwise screwing up because they’re not fresh (mentally or physically)?
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I think you're right on the money:
Play ‘em when we need ’em; Rest ’em when we don’t. I hope the 1st stringers can get a lot of rest.
It won’t happen, but my theory is :
Rest Brees and let Atlanta win.
Saints will wrap up home field throughout the playoffs anyway.
Better to focus on winning a SuperBowl than going undefeated
Gives the QB backup some practice in case he is needed due to injury during the playoffs.
If Atlanta squeaks into the playoffs, they might be healthier and knock off a better team like the Eagles, Pack, Giants, Cards, Cowboys, or Vikes. That would help the Saints to make it to the Superbowl.
No point bashing my idea, since it will not happen. But that is just my weird take on things.
Hard not to bash that idea...
i couldn’t be happier with SP’s “we’re going for it” attitude. Losing on purpose is borderline retarded.
What do we have to lose? We go for 16-0 and win the superbowl….then we’re the best team EVER!
We don’t make it, well phenominal season and still looking good for 2010.
Obviously the superbowl is the ultimate goal, but why not try to make history along the way?
Brees
Is the last one, except maybe Morestead, that needs rest. He needs to stay in game shape mentally. He’s just starting to click again. We don’t need him like he was in buffalo or atlanta, once we make it to the playoffs.
by ReggieVilma on Dec 12, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Ending the season
Along with many of you, it has been my lifelong dream for the Saints to win the Super Bowl. I am 45 years old and I am terrified of what the lack of a salary cap could do to small market teams. Maybe we will have this chance again, maybe not, but we have it now. But here’s the thing. We will always have some chance of winning a super bowl. The opportunity to win it while becoming only the second team in history to do it – and the first to do it after a 16 game season – may come only once in our lifetimes. Lots of teams win Super Bowls – hell, even Tampa Bay won one. But the Saints have the chance to do something we all thought impossible. Why on earth would anyone want us to take the foot off the pedal now?
Listen Guys
I must be the only one with the attitude that they should play thru all of it. Payton can shuffle players in and out any time to rest them during the game but the most important factor is timing. If you asked the players if they wanted to play or rest……They would all play.
Playing keeps the timing and tempo alive within the team and you just dont make wholesale changes to forfeit the games to save health. Any of those players could just as easily get hurt during practice or driving home. Do you not practice the team? You cant just lay down and not put out the effort. Drew Brees said they want a 16-0 record going into the playoffs and I agree. There is no guarantees they win the Super Bowl if they did rest players. History has shown that resting players has not won Super Bowls. I say play them all and just be smart about it. Payton has a finger on the pulse of the team and will make the right choices. Some of the players that have been hurt during the season HAS been given extra time on the bench when they say they could have played. That tells me that Payon wants everbody well for the Playoffs and will not risk a players health to win, but he will not let off the throttle to lose either. I say win baby win till it’s all over. Winning it all is a Hell of an acheivement and even if they lose the Super Bowl, it will have been a year to remember. If you lose the last two because of resting players and still Lose the Super Bowl, thats another can of bitter worms that will bring the ire of the Saints Nation. Winning breeds winning and I want it all…………………………..
Boom! Rec'd it!
If the Saints are kicking ass in all these games, I’m okay with yanking some starters in the fourth quarter.
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by hakimdropstheball on Dec 12, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions
ok
I agree. We should just be weary of the consequences. I thought Brunell went into the game way late in the Pats game, but what make you think Brees or any of these guys want to come out of the game? what happens if they are told to come out and they dont? It happens all the time yall, trust me on this.
by Saintsfan4life on Dec 12, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions
disagree with you there
Sean Payton calls the shots and the players respect him
by Andrew Juge on Dec 12, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
it happens in other sports alot more and it does happen in football but it’s not for the reasons we’re mentioning. Also, it doesn’t happen alot. Do you think PT, Reggie and MB want to come out of games? No but they do it anyways. The players go with the coach, even moreso when they like him and respect him
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by skinnykinney on Dec 12, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Hello, .............Brees wont come out unless the game is out of hand
He aint wired that way. If there is a shot the opposing team can come back, Brees is gonna stay in and Payton knows it…….If the game was close and Brees comes out, then the opposing team comes back and wins…………………..Saints Nation goes nuts and wants Payton fired. You cannot play to lose…………………….Period !!!!!!!!
Brees is the iginition switch that gets the Saints motor running. He starts EVERY game. Period. Fini. Owari!!!
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by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 12, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
also
it’s a bit early to be talking about resting starters. We don’t exactly have home field advantage “locked up” by any means. Drop any two of these last four and we’re heading to Minnesota if they win out.
I’m all for making sure your team is healthy. And I readily agree that if we’re in a situation where it’s blatantly obvious, and I stress blatantly, that the game is ours. Sit some guys. Get some reps in for the backups. In saying all this, I really feel like Sean Payton has this philosophy pretty well locked up. I haven’t disagreed with his decisions thus far, regardless of the negatives. You can’t argue with 12-0. I understand it’s hard for us, as Saints fans, not really having much to bitch about, and to scrutinize. But the bottom line is, we need to play to win. This team is competitive, they are winners. If we had everything locked up, and our starters were sitting on the bench watching the 2nd team lose to Carolina, I think it would do more harm than good.
*I would like to add that I have full faith in Mark Brunnell. He’s a very talented QB that knows how to win games. I’ll take him in a pinch anytime.
The mantra all year has been "Finish!"
Why change now? The season is always broken down into quarters, much like a game. We’ve won each of the first three quarters putting us in position to win it all. If you change philosophy now, you risk a chance of losing forward momentum. It’s so difficult to win in the NFL these days who’s to say we would be able to flip that switch when the playoffs start. Payton has a good feel for the pulse of his team. I say we trust his insight. It’s worked pretty well so far.
by WhoDat_OH on Dec 12, 2009 1:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
No one
Wants to comment on my pot shot at Charles Grant?
by Andrew Juge on Dec 12, 2009 1:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
sadly
I think its understood he’s been pretty bad lately.
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by Dave Cariello on Dec 12, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, that's it!
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are you saying he was in the car with Boob-ineaux?
“Pot” shot. Get it?
or was it a “pot”-belly shot? If so, then join the club. The ChuckWagon Club.
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You mean "Chuckwagon" Grant?
Nuh. That’d be too easy.
by WhoDat_OH on Dec 12, 2009 2:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you
if we’re up and not in danger of losing the game 1/2 way through the game, rest them! If we’re still close, keep em in. We all want a SB but we all also want a perfect season to go along with it. I’d be ok keeping some players in, like MM and MJ because they need the reps. Take out ppl like Vilma, Shanle, Sharper and Harper because they haven’t missed a game and are all in sync and playing at gamespeed.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
I love the way SP coaches and I love that little "you know what" eating grin he gets.
So, here’s a possibility – SP is saying the Saints are going to keep their foot on the acelerator till the end. Hmmmmmm, what would that have the future opposition game planning for? An all out attack by our starters? The typical Saints overwhelming onslaught? Then, SP, as well as GW will throw something completely different at them. While they’re using up perfectly good chalk trying to figure it out, the Saints are ahead by four TDs!
Yep, I think ol’ Sean is as devious as they come! Watching him coach is like dancing with a memory ~ it gets better every time!!!
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by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 12, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions
Regarding Grant
I guess we have all become numb about him because
1) We are winning
2) The defense for the most part is playing well (overall) and much better than last year
3) a lot of the focus has been on the defensive backfield
But, I have said it all year- he is our weak link. Even with all the subs, etc, he is the weak link and wjen we get back ti full strength with Porter, Greer, Fujita, we need to replace him. I suggest Hargrove and Mc Cray as the replacements and I would take Charleston also. I would love to hear what GW has to say.
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by Philinwood on Dec 12, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It’s actually not really a 2 game lead over the vikes for homefield throughout, it’s more like 1.5 since they have the tiebreaker over us. if we both end up with the same number of losses they’ll have a better NFC record than us.
The Viqueens have at least 1, possibly 2, more losses this year!
Don’t they play the Bengals tomorrow? Boom!
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by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 12, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
(Well, there went my Bengals theory!)
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by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 14, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Arizona
sat out Warner, and when it looked like the other team was going to make a come back, I can’t remember what game it was and I am just too lazy to look it up, he came back in and threw his 6th td of the game to put it away. I think that Payton knows what he is doing and I trust him. They want to go all the way and finish the season and so do I. If Brees gets hurt in a blow out game, yes we are all going to want Payton’s head on a stick because we all love Brees, but I will trust any move he makes.

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