New Orleans Saints' Defensive and Special Teams Player Grades @ Falcons
Here's the defensive and special teams grades. They are really, really bad. Keep in mind that while, yes, they held Atlanta to 23 points, they were torched by Chris Redman.
Will Smith: D+ (2.74) Smith was completely neutralized on his pass rushing attempts. I don't know what teams are doing differently, but I sense they're taking advantage of Grant's nonexistent play to load up against Smith. Smith finished with 1 tackle on a nice hustle play downfield inside the Saints' 5 to tackle Tony Gonzalez from behind and save a touchdown. No matter, the Falcons would score on the next play. An extremely quiet day for the normally more active end.
Bobby McCray: D (1.97) Nice GPA, Bobby. You guys might notice that McCray's GPA is dangerously close to someone else I've been ragging on. So close in fact, could they be the same player? McCray is getting less and less playing time in this defense. I know he's listed on the injury report and limited in practice each week. Is he too hurt to play? He's regressed majorly from a season ago. When he did get in against Atlanta, Redman had all the time in the world. No tackles for McCray.
Anthony Hargrove: C- (2.31) Hargrove had decent push up the middle, and had a nice tackle against the run. That was his only tackle, though, despite extended playing time. Ultimately, the defensive line as a whole got absolutely no pressure on Redman and they were manhandled by the Atlanta pass blocking depsite the fact that they were battling numerous injuries.
Sedrick Ellis: B- (2.70) Ellis wasn't great, but he was much better than his counterparts. He has still seemed rusty to me, and at one point I saw him walk gingerly off the field. I don't think his knee is close to 100%. One thing is undeniable, though, and that's that even when Sedrick Ellis isn't playing lights out, he's not giving up. Same came be said for Smith, and effort goes for a lot. Sometimes good things happen to you and plays find their way to you when you go out there and make some effort. Ellis finished with 3 tackles, and he got a borderline "sack" when he stopped Chris Redman around the line of scrimmage. That play was nice, though, because it forced Atlanta to kick a field goal on a 3rd and 2 play.
Remi Ayodele: B (2.31) Ayodele did an excellent job again clogging up the middle and limiting Atlanta's ability to run the football with a skeleton crew. He just had one tackle, but his impact was evident and useful. He's lined up a couple straight solid performances, so he's starting to grow on me. Atlanta finished with 89 yards rushing, but that didn't stop them from passing almost at will on the Saints.
Scott Shanle: C- (2.59) It's not that he was particularly bad in this game, it's that he wasn't really involved. This was a hard performance to grade because I couldn't really point to any things that Shanle did that disappointed me. You guys all know by now I'm a bigger fan of Shanle's than the average Saints fan. I always have been. Just 2 tackles though, and he was very quiet.
Jonathan Vilma: A- (2.98) I was upset with Vilma for allowing Jason Snelling to slip into the middle of the field for a 38 yard gain on the opening drive. Vilma took a bad angle on the play and showed poor speed catching up. Beyond that mistake, though, Vilma was pretty solid throughout. Then, when the game was on the line, he went from pretty solid to instrumental. First, Vilma intercepted a pass and set up what should have been the game killer. Oh, the offense couldn't put it away? No problem. On the next Falcon drive, Vilma hit Jason Snelling on 4th and 2 on a pass over the middle and blasted him backwards, stopping him short of the first down marker and ending the game. Make no mistake, despite a very poor performance by the offense, special teams and coaching staff down the stretch, Jonathan Vilma won this game for us. with those two plays. He finished with 7 tackles.
Randall Gay: B+ (2.67) Gay was by far the most performant player in the defensive backfield. He finished with 8 tackles. He was solid and physical in coverage, either breaking up passes or making sure tackles when he gave up a play. He also assisted his teammates in tackles, often cleaning up their mistakes. Some of you will remember the woeful performance Gay had against the Rams, but against the Falcons he showed how he can handle himself when he's not lined up against a blazing speed receiver. When used to his strengths, that is: playing in the slot, the box and close to the line of scrimmage covering underneath routes, Gay impresses. He deserves credit as well for blowing up an end around to Eric Weems for a 12 yard loss.
Malcolm Jenkins: C- (2.63) Malcolm made strides after last week, but he's still struggling to come into his own. I wonder if his destiny will be replacing Darren Sharperat free safety like we all speculated about after the draft. He's an aggressive and physical player with good instincts, but I wonder if he has the foot speed to play corner as well asTracy Porter and Jabari Greer. You could tell against Atlanta he was giving more cushion to the receivers, most likely because he's lost a little confidence after getting beat deep. He finished with 4 tackles, but his coverage and tackling wasn't impeccable.
Roman Harper: D (2.87) The recipe for moving the ball by and large the past two weeks has been to find Roman Harper on passing plays. He's been victimized in the passing game and he's really struggled. You can say the absence of Greer and Porter hurt the Saints' ability to play pass defense, but Harper and Sharper's play has been most suspect of late. You can't blame the poor pass defense on the corners this week nearly as much as the safeties. The Saints dialed up the blitz early and often, leaving Harper on an island often, and they paid for it almost every time. He finished with 5 tackles.
Darren Sharper: D- (2.89) Sharper had his worst game of the season, by far. He flirted with an F as well. He bit badly on a double move by Michael Jenkins and was victimized by 50 yard touchdown pass. Jenkins beat Sharper deep to get wide open on another play, but fortunately for Sharper the pass was overthrown because that would have been 14 points on Darren. Sharper looked very slow and vulnerable. This was not the same Darren Sharper that discovered the fountain of youth earlier in the season. He wasn't particularly good coming up and making tackles, either. He finished with 3 tackles. Let's just hope he can rebound from this disastrous performance.
Troy Evans: B (1.92) Evans was the biggest surprise of the day. He was good against the run, and while he wasn't great against the pass he was at least active and around the ball. Evans is never going to blow anyone away with his play, but he played within the defense and tackled well. If he can play like this while Fujita is out, he won't be the defense's problem. He finished with an impressive 5 tackles.
DeMario Pressley: B- (2.75) He finished with 1 tackle, doing a good job on a running play. He had limited action, but once again looked promising when he was in.
Pierson Prioleau: C (2.43) Prioleau never makes major mistakes and you can tell he's a Gregg Williams favorite because he's a high IQ football player. That said, the guy gives too much cushion to his receivers in an effort to limit the damage. He finished with 1 tackle.
Mike McKenzie: C+ (2.22) McKenzie played a decent amount in the second half and he was picked on by Redman with mixed results. At one point Roddy White was wide open and McKenzie was fortunate that Redman's pass lacked accuracy because he was beat. That said, McKenzie showed good spirit and energy out there. He had one tackle, but more importantly he showed he still has that fire in his belly.
Thomas Morstead: A- (3.05) He only got to punt once, and it was fair caught after a pedestrian 35 yard effort. He earned his keep this time with consistent depth on kickoffs. Of the 6 he hit, 4 were kneeled for touchbacks. Good thing, because Eric Weems is a dangerous returner and he was able to take one out for a 37 yard gain. Morstead has been incredibly valuable in setting opponents up with bad field position.
Courtney Roby: C (2.92) A plain performance from Roby who averaged 19.5 yards on his two kick returns.
Garrett Hartley: C+ (3.00) Hartley hit a big field goal from 28 yards out to break a 23-23 tie. That ended up being the difference, so give him credit. That said, are the Saints incapable of finding a guy that doesn't miss extra points? That's now 3 on the season and this is really starting to get ridiculous. What's more, that 23-23 tie I speak of was thanks to the shank. Hartley was also perfect on a 33 yarder earlier in the game, but the missed extra point is flat out inexcusable. While the fake field goal wasn't his fault, I wonder if the call was partially due to the coaching staff's lack of confidence in Hartley? The pathetic crew of Joe Buck and Troy Aikman mentioned that he was "big time struggling" and "couldn't make a kick in warmups". Not sure how accurate that is, considering he was 4-5 last week and his only miss was an unrealistic 58 yarder in bad conditions. Perhaps they were basing their statements on what they saw in the pregame. For what it's worth, I also read a Jeff Duncan tweet that mentioned Hartley nailing a 58 yarder in warmups that would have been good from 60. The bottom line is I am not asking to Hartley to be perfect, but I do expect him to be perfect on PATs.
My Defensive Player of the Game: Jonathan Vilma
My Special Teams Player of the Game: Thomas Morstead
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I like most of it
But i disagree on Evans i thought he played slow was often out of place and missed some key tackles
He is one of the weak links on this defense right now he also collided with Vilma on that pass over the middle to Snelling taking them both out of the play
Man i cant wait till Fujita,Greer,and Porter gets back
I also think you were a little hard on Sharper he is a safety not a corner there’s no way he can cover Jenkins there was a blitz that didnt work on those two long passes because i dont think Greg Williams would try to match up Sharper on Jenkins if he didnt think the blitz would get there
Sharper
On a blitz, his primary responsibility is not letting anyone get behind him deep. He did just what he wasn’t supposed to do—just what LaRon Landry did against us last week, twice—and the only difference was that Drew didn’t miss one of them and Redman did.
Everyone was tickled last week that Landry handed us the game by making such boneheaded mistakes. Well, fair is fair: so did Sharper. But we’re luckier than the Redskins.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
"Luckier" than the Redskins?
No…the Saints are 13-0 and the Redskins are whatever they are. That’s not luckier…that’s better. So let’s say they do hit on that other pass? Do you have any doubt that the Saints put themselves into position to win the game regardless? Have they done anything through 13 games to suggest otherwise?
Of course the Saints are better than the Redskins
…but it was the Redskins’ bad luck that they were facing the Saints and Drew Brees, and not Chris Redman and the Falcons. Drew doesn’t miss in those circumstances…Redman apparently does.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
spot on about grant
i have been sick of this guys effort for 3 years. when will the saints have enough of this crap and cut ties with him. still confused by his contract as well, what did he do to deserve that kind of cash. people need to lay off reggie a bit and turn thier focus to charles as being extremely overpaid. at least reggie is inconsistant, grant is consistantly bad.
Most, if not all
of Grants sacks come after Smith runs the qb to him. He stinks. Pay Reggie, cut Grant.
Not meaning to change the subject or anything
but that miss by Hartley was also a good example of what’s wrong with much of the coverage of NFL games. They replayed the TD by Colston; but they never showed a replay, or speculated about the cause, of the miss. Joe Buck simply spoke lazily over the action about Colston’s catch, as though he could hardly be bothered to point out that the Saints just missed an extra point. He did mention as though in passing that it might factor in later.
Of course, it did. It was a critical play. And the guys in the booth simply ignored it. I suppose they were too busy preening. I’d still like to know if there was any problem with the hold, but I just can’t see enough.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
I didn't even get a clear look at the snap
watching the game twice over. They cut to it late as the ball was basically hitting the upright, so I have no idea who it was on. I agree with you, Aikman and Buck are a joke.
I said the same thing about Hartley
after the stupid comment from Aikman. He made 4 field goals and one was the game winner. The 58 yarder he missed, I think he slipped. But anyway, how is that struggling? I’m SO glad I won’t have to listen to these turds for the Cowboy’s game.
Starcap Superstars
Far be it from me to be less than critical. I’ve been posting enough on here that you guys know I’m a Who datter and yet am a big mess of anxiety about how well we play. The Gris Gris Man thread is helping. Still, I can’t shut up…
I’ve been dissing Blank for playing Babineaux last week after he was brought up on felony possession charges. Attempting to not address that argument and distract me, the Falcoholics brought up Star Caps. While their arguing is not the best, I agree with their point: Smith and Grant should have been cut.
Plus they suck. They have walked into a few good plays, but I expect some sort of pash rush from these guys. Sure I might be nostalgic for the Dome Patrol dominance on the O-line. And just to be fair to our current guys, the Dome Patrol was totally ineffective in all of those playoff games and after they lost the undefeated season (whatever year that was.)
We’re stuck with Smith and Grant now. But I think they are playing for their jobs next year. Something has to light a fire under their a$$es.
But now I’m on a high fiber diet and feeling much better. /rant
I don't agree that Will Smith sucks
I think he’s a big part of the team and I’m glad we have him.
by Andrew Juge on Dec 15, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Smith is in the top 5
In the league with double-digit sacks! How can that be sucking?
I do agree though that Chuckwagon is eating his way out of a job. Maybe he really did need those StarCaps. I say bench him or move him to DT where his anchor of an ass can be a benefit and not a hindrance.
by WhoDat_OH on Dec 15, 2009 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bingo!
I’ve been saying that since last season. MOVE GRANT TO DT!! Lord knows he has the size and he is fast……….for a DT! Will Smith is just fine. Last year was pretty weak but he was supposedly hurt so we have to give him a pass for at least trying to stick in there but he is having a good year. He should actually be back in the Pro-Bowl this year.
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." --Mike Tyson
Um, starcaps was a situation when they didn’t know they were breaking the law. Unless you want me to believe that Babs had 1.5 ounces just sitting around from the last time some idiot friend of his dropped by and left it in his car (not to mention everything else he was doing wrong that night), then there is NO comparing the two whatsoever.
That said, if it weren’t for the salary cap, I’m pretty sure Grant would have been cut a long time ago. But the Saints haven’t yet been in a position to eat the prorated bonuses. Next year if there is no salary cap, if the coaches have ANY sense whatsoever they will cut him.
Smith and Grant suck?
lulz, please. I don’t care how many opportunities in the NFL you get to pad your stats – you cannot and will not reach 10 sacks before the END of a season if you suck. As for Grant, he doesn’t suck, he’s just a major, major underachiever. I remember when this guy was tearing up the backfield. He got his big contract and he’s getting lazy because of all that guaranteed cash. Mickey thought giving him a big payday would up his production – he was wrong, big time. They need to give him a paycut and bench him, or restructure his contract with production incentives, period.
I promise this defense will before elite again once Jabari and Tracy return to the lineup. If Fujita could even come back from his surgery, all the better.
I hope you are right.
I have so much anxiety about the defense right now. Too many close games in a row. Now I just sit in the corner shaking, lol.
Fujita has not been able to shake the injuries this year. Hope we can get him back.
Agreed...
This is a team sport. When one part of the defense struggles, the rest of the defense struggles too.
But…
When Porter and Greer were in there, they could cover one-on-one pretty damn well… which leaves Sharper to roam the defensive backfield and be the ball hawk he was meant to be, and it leaves Harper to hunt down running backs and blitz quarter backs like he was meant to be.
Have FAITH! :-)
...Defending Sharper...
Yes, he did play a little to close to the line on the 2 plays he got burned. Yes, he did let the guy get behind him.
But, we were getting run over and he felt like he needed to be close to stop the run. (That’s why the establishing the run/stopping the run is so important.)
The BIGGER problem with those 2 plays was the fact that TWO cornerbacks were blitzing. OMG! Two cornerbacks are blitzing when our top two CB’s are injured.
Shaper is good, but he can’t be matched up one-on-one with the very fast, #1 receiver.
I have faith that GW is going to learn from this experience and NEVER call the double CB blitz (unless they have 2 WR and we have 4 CB’s on field and Porter and Greer are back… ok NEVER).
Don’t get me wrong… I’m not at all downing GW. As he has all year, he’s learned from his mistakes. I trust that he’s going to do the same here.
On the flip side…
Our opponents have film on us now that show us committing to the blitz, even when we’re low on CB’s.
If we show that look in the coming weeks, but back off right before/after the snap… RESULT = INT.
It’s called a “hustle”.
Gregg “The Hustler” Williams
;-)
Grant will not be a Saint next year.
Scratch that, he BETTER NOT be a Saint next year.
"They're ready to be like 'Same Old Saints'" - Roman Harper, on each of the New Orleans Saints vanquished foes of 2009
by Hollywoo! on Dec 15, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Grant
is toast. He’ll definitely be cut in the offseason. I’d bet my life savings on it.
by Andrew Juge on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Any hope of trading Grant
in the off season to at least get a younger player or draft pick? I’m sure a lot of teams will be turned off by his lack of effort but there’s always someone who’d be dumb enough to take a chance. Find someone with an ego who thinks they can coach him up and at least get some return. Hopefully he gets shipped off to NFL Siberia like Buffalo or Cleveland. Then maybe he’d appreciate what he had in NOLA. Either way, let him be someone else’s problem next year.
by WhoDat_OH on Dec 15, 2009 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
At least they held them to FGs in the first half and stuffed them at the end...
About the only positives I can find. Defense just looks slower than earlier this season.
only 1 D-lineman with more than 1 tackle
not good at all, especially facing a banged-up O-line like the Falcons. Isn’t our D-line like 100% healthy (except for Clancy on IR), or at least suiting up for games?
No excuse for this type of performance.
I know the usual “corners are out so have to give them safety help which means less blitzing which means more blockers for the D-line to contend with” rhetoric. But there has to be something better from our guys on Saturday night in the Dome.
Being a Saints fan will take years off your life
Half-full or half-empty?
What interesting times we live in if we’re fretting over how we won the game. I remember in past years being happy with a win. There are a few ways we can look at this game.
1) The Saints won. They were supposed to win.
2) The Saints won. They nearly lost it.
My take is a mix of one and two. Fujita, Porter and Greer not being available to play has not helped our defense perform well in games against Washington and Atlanta. Fujita was available for the New England game. What you’re seeing is a different team on the field, but it’s not so bad that we’re losing games. If Vilma was to go down, we’d be in serious trouble. As of right now, we’re not. I want to play it by ear with the injury reports for the week, but I’m never going to count this team out. Let other team’s fans do that.
We can be concerned, but this team has managed to stay 13-0 despite all the injuries we’ve had. That’s extremely hard to do in this league and the fact that we’ve managed to keep the undefeated streak alive with a banged up defense is somewhat encouraging to me. The Saints are capable of stepping up their game, which is something they’ll need to do against Dallas. Home field advantage is at stake right now and we should be worried about locking that up first before we have playoff concerns. Sean Payton tries to emphasize one game at a time and we should too.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Dec 15, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Charles Grant
I watched some replays of the games were I just focused on Grant. The number of times where he does not slide of his block to get a runner who blows by him is glaringly obvious. It feels like he is unaware of what going on or there is just no effort. Surely
Greg Williams is seeing that on the tape. Maybe he needs to be benched. I bet Hargrove would be a big improvement at this position.
I just finished watching the Falcons game on NFL.com
and I watched Grant closely on defense. He plays like a pile of lumber. No heart, no will, no speed, no agility. If they could hypnotize him before the game and make him think the opposing quarterback is something dipped in batter and fried, maybe he’d make the Pro Bowl. But something tells me he’s just not suggestible.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
I'm a quivering wreck too..
Xen – I feel your anxiety over the D, but I keep telling myself that the smelly performance we have seen the past two weeks is (essentially) the same personnel that stifled the Pats all night long…
Does “DomeField” advantage and the national stage really make that big a difference for this unit? If so, we better pray long and hard for homefield b/c if we go on the road to Minn. and play D like we have the past two weeks…well, let’s just say we should all watch that on any empty stomach.
As for Grant, I’ve been saying all year that we’d see a great deal more production out of him if we just baste the opposing QBs in briscuit juice.
I think it's really important
to differentiate Wil Smith from Grant. I thought vs Atlanta Smith played really hard and although he had no sacks, he had pressure. He was all over the field in pursuit. Redman did a good job of getting the ball out quick. Smith caught that receiver at the 5 yd line. It wasn’t his fault they scored the next play. If Atlanta gets forced to kick a FG there, Smith is a hero. So I think his grade was very tough and he deserved better and he is playing much better than Grantt.
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