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To Rest, Or Not To Rest. That is the Question.

I'm just going to apologize right off the bat for the ridiculously trite and cliched title. It's late and I have jury duty in the morning. But however old and overused it may be, it cuts right to the heart of the situation at hand on Airline Drive. If the Saints manage to lock up first place in the NFC sometime in the next couple of weeks, with a game or two remaining on the regular season schedule, what do they do about playing time for starters?

It's an age old debate as persevering as the Hatfields and McCoys. One side believes in going for greatness and staying in rhythm while the other believes in remaining healthy and rested for the playoff stretch. As the Colts and Saints head into the final quarter of the season as undefeated brethren, more winning could mean they both may be faced with that same banal question: To rest of not to rest? It should be exciting because given what we know so far about each team, chances are that their decisions will be dissimilar, giving NFL fans plenty to debate and their own version of feuding families. The Datfields and McColts.

For Indianapolis, this is just another day at the office. They've been in this situation many times before, each time being prudent and resting key starters during meaningless regular season games. This year looks to be no different as predicted by Stampede Blue. While we don't yet know how Sean Payton will handle the situation should it arise, we do have Peter King's report saying Payton will not take his foot off the accelerator. Of course, he danced around the issue during yesterday's press conference

I'm praying this is one of the times Peter King actually gets it right because personally, I want to see the Saints go for it. If ever there was a time I wanted Sean Payton's coaching style to ever resemble that of Bill Belichick, it's right now. Put the whole facility on lock down, speak only minimally and rip the damn sleeves off that black quarter-zip jacket already. I understand why the Colts, or any team for that matter, would want to rest their starters. It's the safe, smart determination. But they have the luxury of making this decision every year. For the Saints, this is uncharted territory and there's a damn good chance it might be another 43 years before they're ever this talented, motivated, complete and lucky all at once. Sure, a Super Bowl is more important and much more satisfying; but are you really willing to watch the Saints leave a perfect season and a chance to make history on the table?

So...now I ask you...to rest or not to rest? 

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If given the opportunity, should the Saints rest their starters?
Yes
165 votes
No
556 votes

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"The Datfields and McColts?" Rec!

Now to answer you question. The choice should not be either or. There are times in a game when you can obviously take your starters out and coast to a victory. If the game starts getting a little shakey, back in they go.

Start your starters because one of ’em has that last coffin nail in his pants! When the last nail is driven, bring in the grave diggers!

Then head for the French Quarter, of course.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers

by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 8, 2009 6:12 AM CST reply actions  

Jury duty?

Did they arrest Meachem for theft? Yuk-yuk! (I just thunk of that after I hit “POST.”)

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers

by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 8, 2009 6:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

"Given the opportunity"

How do you define that? I define it, “given a three-touchdown lead in the first half against the Panthers, should Mark Brunell Jeff Charleston and Usama Young and Courtney Roby play the second half?” And the answer is “yes.”

If the game is tight and the outcome in doubt? Starters stay in. 16-0.

What time is it in Okinawa, JND? 8 in the evening?

Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston

by MtnExile on Dec 8, 2009 6:14 AM CST reply actions  

It is 2117 hours.

For you lifelong civilians, the big hand is just under the 3 and the little hand is a little bit above the 9. Oh yea, and it’s dark outside!

Okinawa is 14 hours ahead of New Orleans. When it’s 8:00 PM in N.O. it’s 10:00 AM here, the next day. In other words I should know the score of the games 14 hours before you guys!!!! ?

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers

by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 8, 2009 6:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Here I am first thing in the morning, trying to be the first poster, and just as I’m finishing up BING! there’s Just ’Nother Day, sleepless in Okinawa, beating me to it.

Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston

by MtnExile on Dec 8, 2009 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Hell, I just finished my 4th beer and have 24 ounces of blogging left.

(I typed this 13 hours and 59 minutes before you typed yours!)

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers

by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 8, 2009 6:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I voted "YES," but let me explain...

We have some starters (eg. Reggie Bush) who are only good for like 2 games. Keep their action pretty limited. Same with people like Greer and Porter. We need those guys in the flow but we want to keep their action limited. They are already beat up. The coaching staff has done a great job up to this point so there’s not a lot of reason to change things up.

I remember when the Bobby Hebert – Dome Patrol Saints did really well. They rested players after clinching. It was painful to watch and we lost momentum.

So I think we need to rest, but not much.

by xen-cuts on Dec 8, 2009 6:17 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

My thoughts exactly

If you’re chasing undefeated, start your healthy players, rest anyone who’s slightly nicked up. If you get a safe lead, pull Brees.

by TheBobLoblawBlog on Dec 8, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I pray for safe leads every game....

these games are making me tired because I’m so stressed out during them!

by xen-cuts on Dec 8, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

What is more important?

If you do not rest and a key player gets injured, then you will never hear the end of it.
For the saints, it would be great for them to go undefeated and win the Superbowl.
However, there is a reason why only one team has done this.
Sometimes fans need to settle for 2nd best. 2nd best meaning a superbowl would not be a bad gig.

If you do rest, but loose a playoff game, at least you were smart about it.
I hope, Benson, Lommis, and Payton do not get too greedy, or lose sight of the bigger picture, and that is a superbowl.

What would the football world say if the Saints, went 19-0 then lost the superbowl?

What would the football world say if the Saints, went 14-2 or 15-1 and won the superbowl?
.
I believe it is time for NO to have a superbowl ring, but both the Saints, and fans need to take one step at a time.

Winning the Superbowl is the ultimate prize.

by jeremysherwin on Dec 8, 2009 6:45 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you what is more important.

I just think completely resting your starters, like say Drew Brees for the last two games is risking the chance of them coming into a big game a little rusty. Not saying it will happen, but I rather them take the approach like preseason. Start the starters for at least the first half. We might not have a choice to rest the starters any way until the very last week if the Vikings don’t lose another game. We can only afford to lose one and keep HFA throughout the playoffs. Winning the Superbowl is all I’m concern about, but I don’t want the lack of intensity in the remaining games either.

by rustdog74 on Dec 8, 2009 6:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I just remember when the colts were 13-0 and after they lost their first game.

They rested their main starters and I felt when the playoffs came around they look pretty flat. Of course if we are up by 4 touchdowns in the remaining games then rest the starters, but I think each of them should at least have to play the first half of the remaining games. If you have a player like greer who is still hurt then definitely rest him, but I hate to have him come into a big game when he has been out for awhile. I feel the player might be rusty, but then again these players are playing against the best defense and offense in practice everyday.

by rustdog74 on Dec 8, 2009 6:49 AM CST reply actions  

I think doing an in-game "pull ypur starters when the game is safely out of reach" is entirely different from keeping them out of the game entirely or

not even letting them start a “meaningless” game (or pulling them after the first drive).

I was against holding starters out in 2006, and I’m against it now…

It goes contrary to Payton’s style and contrary to what got us here in the first place

treat every game like it’s the only one on the schedule…I’d rather lose to a fluke injury than come out flat and uninspired and rusty with starters that haven’t played in over a month.

"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray

Shop as usual, and avoid panic buying.

by HansDat on Dec 8, 2009 7:00 AM CST reply actions  

HAIL NEAUX!!!

…run over every opponent like an armadillo in the middle of I-55 at 2 am driving back to your dorm at SLU after an all-night bender in the Quarter!!!!

…whoops…sorry, flashed back to college there for a moment…

;-)

The real answer has already been put up in the first post to this thread:

Start your starters, once the game is “in hand” (definition, “no way in hell they can catch up in the time left”) put the backups in to get them a bit of game time experience.

If that time doesn’t come, keep the starters in and going forward.

I’ve seen too many teams “rest the starters” after clinching a spot in the playoffs and then come in flat.

The Saints need to hit the pavement with the wheels spinning when playoff time comes – NO PRISONERS, NO SURVIVORS!!!!

Irony: An atheist Saints fan.

by GSO Saints Fan on Dec 8, 2009 7:10 AM CST reply actions  

Remember

If you rest your starters the last one or two games AND get a bye week, it could be three weeks before they see any action. Waaaaaaaay to long!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers

by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 8, 2009 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Can you imagine being in the same room as Shockey when he's told, "We're going to save you for the playoffs."

Holy bejeeeeeez. That would be someone’s final words!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers

by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 8, 2009 7:14 AM CST reply actions  

Sit them

The good Lord knows we need everyone healthy. When you have nothing left to achieve, why take that chance. I say let the starters go for a quarter, then pull’em.

Some of your finest work Dave – “The Datfields and McColts”. I love it !!

It's better to die like a lion, than to live like a pussy

by #23fan on Dec 8, 2009 7:19 AM CST reply actions  

Let them PLAY!

Actually I remember reading somewhere yesterday that a reporter asked Payton the same question, (I’ll paraphrase his answer) and he said he will go for 16-0.

by Saintsman81 on Dec 8, 2009 7:27 AM CST reply actions  

Play them....

Random reasons:

Players have incentives built into contracts (sacks, TD’s, tackles, etc.), they naturally want to play.

We’re already assured (practically) a week One bye. That’s plenty of time for them to cycle down a bit and recover from any fatigue.

Rhythm. The group is playing at a high level. Plus, we can use this time to experiment with player packages/designs which will only add to the film study of the other team. Throwing off potential tendencies we’ve shown.

The invincibility cloak. The players think they’re wearing one….why take it off?

by TigerPaw on Dec 8, 2009 7:32 AM CST reply actions  

At times like these, I ask myself, "What would Dave the Falconer do?" [WWDTFD?]

Here are words of the Falcoholic, himself:

Play hard
Always.

The prudent thing might be to bench starters, but I’m a firm believer that you should go out and try to win every game. Losing on purpose sends the wrong message to players and to fans alike in my mind, so even if they could move up a couple spots in the draft with a loss, I’d never root for it. Just ain’t in my nature.

by xen-cuts on Dec 8, 2009 7:41 AM CST reply actions  

what's with the love for Dave the Falconer? I mean, he seems cool enough

but he’s a Falcons fan for F’s sake. Doesn’t that immediately make anything he does unworthy of emulation?

by Andrew Juge on Dec 8, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, go easy on Dave the Falconer. He may end up sitting next to you on the bandwagon!

Right, Davy???

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers

by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Dave rocks, dood.

You know how the other team sometimes has someone you wish was on your team? Like when Vilma was a top Saints draft wish but ended up on the Jets? That’s Dave the Falconer. We’re trying to draw him in…at least for the playoffs.

Plus the Falcoholics have made the rivalry a lot more fun. Sure we still mess with each other and talk some smack. But now we no longer push the portopotty over when a Falcon’s fan is using it during tailgating. I hope that adds some perspective.

by xen-cuts on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

but “But now we no longer push the portopotty over when a Falcon’s fan is using it during tailgating.”

That is disappointing to hear.

by Andrew Juge on Dec 8, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, what happened...

….to our crazy series of hijinks which escalate until an entire street is in flames? Civility, my ass.

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by Dave Choate on Dec 8, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

No one calls me Davy and lives

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by Dave Choate on Dec 8, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I hate that name!!

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by Dave Cariello on Dec 8, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, Davyd.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

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by Just 'Nother Day on Dec 9, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I’d start anyone who was a.) 100% healthy and b.) started the prior week. If someone like Tracy Porter was ready to come back in Week 17, he wouldn’t play. He can shake off the rust over the bye week. Anyone nursing strains and sprains would be held out. Otherwise, full-tilt boogie.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Dec 8, 2009 7:56 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

that’s pretty much what I’m thinking, too.

by xen-cuts on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Play them

Because you can bet Vikes,Zona,Cowboys or whoever is coming to town to play the Super Saints are gonna be ready for a knock down drag out.Get the bye. then we rest.

by KilnBill on Dec 8, 2009 8:02 AM CST reply actions  

With a bye, they'll get a week off before their first playoff game anyway

Play the 100% healthy ones for at least the first half and rest those who are a little nicked up. I’d rather they go for 16-0. Just protect Brees at all costs and hope no one rolls up on the leg of a lineman.

"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams

by David "Satch" Kelly on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 AM CST reply actions  

Change Nothing

The Saints are 12-0 for the first time in team history. They are going where few have gone in the history of the NFL. They aren’t rushing players back from injury now, so I don’t see them doing that down the stretch. The equation is quite simple and it is to keep doing what you’ve been doing since Day 1. Something tells me that’s all Payton really told Peter King and the guy that predicted the Saints would be 7-9 this season made something out of nothing.

Anyone heard the story about Drew Brees on his bye week a few years ago? He went out and took phantom snaps just like it was game day by himself to keep his rythm. They are creatures of habit and it’s critical they keep their schedule.

by mainesaint on Dec 8, 2009 8:15 AM CST reply actions  

Maybe an Apples and Oranges comparison

I don’t know that the Manning Era Colts rested their players every year heading into the playoffs, but with 3 Wild Card game losses, 4 Divisional Game losses, 1 AFC Championship loss, and 1 Super Bowl win, if they did then I think I’d prefer to just keep on keepin’ on. Here are the games:

Jan. 3, 2009 – AFC Wild Card – San Diego 23, Indianapolis 17 (OT)
Jan. 13, 2008 – AFC Divisional – San Diego 28, Indianapolis 24
Feb. 4, 2007 – Super Bowl XLI – Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17
Jan. 15, 2006 – AFC Divisional – Pittsburgh 21, Indianapolis 18
Jan. 16, 2005 – AFC Divisional – New England 20, Indianapolis 3
Jan. 18, 2004 – AFC Championship – New England 24, Indianapolis 14
Jan. 4, 2003 – AFC Wild Card – Jets 41, Indianapolis 0
Dec. 30, 2000 – AFC Wild Card – Miami 23, Indianapolis 17 (OT)
Jan 16, 2000 – AFC Divisional – Tennessee 19, Indianapolis 16

by crzycajn on Dec 8, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions  

Colts Fan here.

I actually think the Saints should go for it, but not the Colts. It just fees like the kind of way you win games, resting won’t do you much good. Obviously, really nicked up players, don’t go, but I’ll be rooting for y’all go to 16-0.

As for the Colts perspective and Colts history or resting, if you’re interested, this article explains it all.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Very good article

I would suggest everyone click on this and read. But I disagree with your thought that the Colts shouldn’t go for 16-0 also. I said a month ago that in a “perfect world”, I’d like to see the undefeated Saints go up against the undefeated Colts. In addition to being the game of a lifetime, it would leave the ‘72 Dolphins with no options other than to pray for a tie. Of course this wouldn’t work out for them since the Saints would win. But, imagine a Super Bowl with two undefeated teams going head to head with an over/under of 60 points or more. It would be remembered forever as the ultimate Super Bowl.

by Drew-Dat on Dec 8, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love if the Colts went 16-0 and you did as well and we meet in the SB and may the bettter team win.

But I would not want say a player like Mathis playing with an injured quad to get that 16-0. That’s all. As DZ says in the article, if we’re 15-0 somehow, heck yeah, it should have priority, but the games against the Jets and the Jags (if we win against the Broncos) will not have our even slightly injured players contributing. We know what happens when Mathis and Freeney are not there for the playoffs.

While the Saints have many important players, the Colts have a few that are just absolutely key to their victory and I wouldn’t want them playing in meaningless games.

Hope that makes sense.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

BEST COMMENT EVER.............................

I totally agree with this one…………They could call it the Battle of the Datfields and McColts and make National Football History. The game would be UNPRESEDENTED in the annals of Pro FootBall. Who knows when or if it would ever happen again.

by saint-sly on Dec 8, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

“Of course this wouldn’t work out for them since the Saints would win.”

That and the fact that post season games can’t end in ties.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Dec 8, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

No

Rest is for the Bye Week. and the offseason.

 Seriously, more than 1 week off disrupts everything. If Saints lost one before then and if Saints locked up home field already, pull the starters in 2nd quarter or half of the game at Carolina. Plenty of rest on wild card weekend.

 Plus I and my brother-in-law have tickets to the Tampa game and I want to see a whoopin’

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by MobileSaint on Dec 8, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions  

To rest or not to rest

They should get far enough ahead in the next few games to be able to give the starters some rest, the second team some practice , but can not keep the starters out totally and let them get rusty, also the momentum of the victory has a lot to do with there great record this yeAR

by gregory h on Dec 8, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

Since I don't play

I always think from the perspective of the fan. Now say you got some hard working cat who can only get off work to go to one game he does the tailgate thing, buys his overpriced beer, buys a bunch mo stuff spending money he should be paying on a bill, gets to his seat and no Brees, no Thomas, no Sharper, no Colston. Come on now, that’s just WRONG!!
Agree with Mtn, hey we get a big lead on em quick, yeah sit em. But We play to win the game. And the Cajun Airmail must be delivered on time! This Team This Year.

by BigTMill on Dec 8, 2009 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

I vote yes

But it does seem that throughout the last few weeks certain players have missed games due to injury but were back the next week. Maybe SP is doing some in season resting? Lance Moore should be ready to this week or next week……

by Saintsfan4life on Dec 8, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

My yes vote

Why not rest a few guys at the end of a blow out? That would make all parties happy? Would it not?

by Saintsfan4life on Dec 8, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions  

Take no prisoners....

Being a former fighter, if you want the championship belt, you gotta fight. You can’t take time off. Screw that… Beat everyone with a knock-out punch. Send a message that we aren’t messing around.

Saints fan forever!

Who Dat?

by senastruck on Dec 8, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

What would Mike Ditka do?

Recently on ESPN, Ditka said “dem Saints are a lot better than my Saints were” as a lead-in to his opinion that the Saints should go for the knock out punch and keep the pedal to the metal. If you’re like me, there’s a strong argument for doing the opposite of whatever Ditka thinks we should do. However, he did make a pretty good point when he said “Do you think an olympic runner who had a shot at breaking the world record would slow down because he knew he was going to win the race anyway?”

by Drew-Dat on Dec 8, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

I voted for them to play through

I think it messes up rhythm for the players. The Colts always rest their players. They almost always go out in their first game but sometimes make it to the second. Why did their players need rest? Peyton and crew were in rhythm and in sync, throwing up tons of points on ppl. Playoffs come and they can’t get over 17 hardly. Sure, no injuries for the starters but what does it matter if you’re out of sync and 1 and done in the playoffs? Don’t get me wrong, I think that they should have rested their players for some of those game but they hadn’t locked up HFA before they were benching ppl. In our case, we need to play against these teams that shouldn’t pose a threat and we could possibly blow out. In the TB and Carolina game I’d like to see our starters in at least the 1st half and if we have a good lead, pull some of them but not all. Pull ppl like Drew and PT, probably Henderson and Colston too. These are some of our best players on offense that have capable backups. On defense, pull Smith and Grant, Vilma and Shanle, and then Sharper and Harper. I say Smith, Grant, Vilma, and Harper because they’ve played almost every game and deserve a rest when they can get it. Sharper because he’s not 25 anymore and Usama is a more than capable backup. Also, we have McCray, Dunbar and Prioleau to back up these players. If Porter and Greer are healthy, play them the whole game and anyone else coming off injuries to get them back to game speed and condition. That way, we have all of our players rested yet up to speed on games. Also, blowing these teams out will have us clicking and riding high on confidence when we go into the playoffs.

Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!

by skinnykinney on Dec 8, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

xen-cuts already quoted me on this...kind of

But go for it. You are in a once-in-a-lifetime situation. You have a chance to seize a 16-0 season, and that’s something you can tell your kids and grandkids about for the remainder of your gumbo-infused days. Sean Payton is making the right choice.

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by Dave Choate on Dec 8, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

Absolutely not!

Absolutely not! DO NOT rest the starters! This is the chance of a lifetime, a perfict season doesn’t happen very often, and if our Saints are able to get a perfict season, then by all means, GO FOR IT!!!!!!!! The way they have been playing the good teams this season, I really don’t think it will effect them in the post season. I’m thinking the way they have built this program they will have another shot at another Super Bowl title, but a perfict season is just like winning the lotto- you always hope it happens, of course, but, it’s just not something you can count on. They may never have another chance to have a perfict season. GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!

by Jimmy Star 00 on Dec 8, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions  

A true starter would want to play...

These guys are pumped up and there is no such thing in the NFL as coasting to victory, so let ‘em play. They can rest at the end of January after they win the Super Bowl.. Hell I doubt that the’ll get any sleep for 48 hours or so after the game. I know that I won’t..Saints kick ass……..

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by CaddoCoonass on Dec 8, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions  

no rest

rest our starters after the SUPERBOWL….

by bigbaddon on Dec 8, 2009 10:52 PM CST reply actions  

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