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2008 Season Autopsy: Secondary

 


We weren't supposed to see too much of David in 2008. (Photo Source)

After the Saints 2007 season saw their secondary become the laughing stock of the league, the focus in the off-season leading up to the 2008 campaign was on the Saints pass defense. Lot's of questions surrounded the team's ability to stop the pass. Were they going to be improved and not give up the big play? Would Jason David finally get comfortable in a different system? Is Mike McKenzie's knee healthy? Can Tracy Porter contribute immediately? They would all inevitably get answered as the 2008 season unfolded. 

 

While at times it may have seemed like the Saints secondary showed no improvement from last years squad, the numbers say otherwise. The 2007 Saints defense finished 30th in the league in pass yards per game but last years secondary ranked 23rd in that category. Though it would have been very hard to actually get worse after last seasons effort they did show slight improvement. Better still was their upgrade against big passing plays. The defense was worst in the league in pass yards per play in 2007 but moved up eleven spots to 21st last year. 

 

Also to their credit, they improved amid a long list of season-ending injuries. Mike McKenzie's knee was a question mark as the 2008 season approached but it proved to be just fine. Ironically, he re-injured the knee in the loss against Atlanta, ending his season. Rookie Tracy Porter, who earned a starting spot opposite McKenzie checked out even earlier this season when he dislocated his wrist against the Vikings. Aaron Glenn was also added to the IR list last season. The Saints secondary definitely gets extra points for their resilience.  

 

But don't be fooled by all of this positive talk. The results on the field were still poor. Cornerbacks were still giving unexplainably large cushions on third and short. Safeties were still getting caught underneath. Josh Bullocks was still getting playing time. Add some costly penalties late in a couple of close games and you've got the formula for a crappy pass defense. Though they did have some bright moments this year they were few and far between. It wasn't long before scheme came into question and Gary Gibbs started catching some heat as the cause of the problem. Now after the firing of Gibbs and the hiring of Greg Williams all we are left with are more questions, including the all important one: scheme or talent?

 

 


Josh Bullocks stinks worse than a rotting corpse. (Photo Source)

Dr. Michael Baden's Post Mortem Report: These guys did better this year; no doubt. Even with injuries. Unfortunately, that doesn't say much. These guys excelled at nothing, were just bad across the board and it led to an unreliable on-field product. Whether or not the secondaries woes this year were related to poor scheme or lack of talent, the results were still the same. Definitely a leading cause of death for the Saints 2008 season. 

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Do you think the secondary was a major reason for the Saints failures this season?
Abolutely
62 votes
Slightly
23 votes
No
0 votes

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dont blame the pass rush!

a little pressure on the QB would have helped, but a bad secondary is a bad secondary. by the time their receivers are taking their third step our guys are beat. pass rush doesnt make up for that.

BUTT…on that note, i predict that grant and big willy style will be back next season looking like their old, formidable selves. its my giambi theory. jason giambi, while on the yankees, got really “sick” one year…under performed, and began to shrink a little. he missed a lot of time and his power numbers went way down. its cause he was detoxing from his steroid regimen. the year or so after he got back on a normal, legal workout routine and found some of his old power.

lets be a top 5 D-line, cause we can, and PLEEEEEEASE, lets find someone who can play some man coverage (or safety help that knows something besides mediocre run stopping)

by NYSaint on Feb 3, 2009 7:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

disagree

Pass rush is to the secondary as speakers are to a sound system. A great one makes even a mediocre one look (or sound, depending on your metaphor) better. But have a crappy one, and even a good sound system sounds like shit.

Our secondary isn’t good, but having to cover for 8 seconds exposes their crappiness. A good pass rush would hide it.

by SaintBevo on Feb 4, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

for the record

This is the kind of guy who ends up on the Saints’ roster. Mark my words.

rotoworld.com:

Impending free agent CB Eric Green doesn’t anticipate being a Cardinal in 2009.
He was demoted in favor of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie at midseason and fell totally off the game-day roster due to a lack of special teams ability. Green, 27, should seek a small one-year deal elsewhere to rehab his value.

Maybe not if he can’t play special teams.
Scout.com has him at the #14 spot for CB’s, two stars.
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2009&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=30

Change is GOOD.

by stujo4 on Feb 3, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, what does scout.com know

They still have Rodney Harrison, Darren Sharper, and Lawyer Milloy rated as four-star safeties.

WalterFootball’s ratings are much more realistic: all three of them are star-and-a-half.

Oh when the Saints...Start kicking ass...You don't want to be in that number...

by MtnExile on Feb 3, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see

they also have Lance Moore listed as the #3 FA wide receiver, behind Houshmandzadeh and Antonio Bryant. So does WalterFootball.com.

Did anyone see that Joe Horn is available? We could sign him and then trade him to Philadelphia. For [ insert AAAAARRGH here ]

Oh when the Saints...Start kicking ass...You don't want to be in that number...

by MtnExile on Feb 3, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What I don't get

is why since this secondary has to practice against Drew Breese and company they aren’t better or at least better against the long ball.

by BigTMill on Feb 4, 2009 1:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

a story

Once I used to play little league baseball.
I was famous for not hitting the ball in a game.
Arm that could hit home from the outfield every time but … couldn’t hit the ball to save my life.

Coach would scream at me. MT!!!! I am throwing this ball twice as hard as anyone in a game. You hit EVERY FUCKING ball into the gap.

Point to my story… you can do things in the comfort of a practice that you cant duplicate on the field at game time.

MT

by MT_always on Feb 4, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Thank you. Good story.

Sports psychologist on staff. Need it. Get one.

Incidentally, front page of the local paper today: Small school basketball team outside of town, coach directed by superintendent to cease team sessions with local pastor and licensed hypnotherapist in an effort to restore winning ways to slumping team. Even though the coach had written permission from most parents. Probably should practice more first.

Change is GOOD.

by stujo4 on Feb 4, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You probably couldn't hit in the game

BECAUSE the coach was throwing twice as hard in practice. You get used to hitting against your coach and you swing in front of the pitch every time in the game. Is that what happened? (I’m betting the house here.)

Oh when the Saints...Start kicking ass...You don't want to be in that number...

by MtnExile on Feb 4, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No he just choked in front of the family.

Change is GOOD.

by stujo4 on Feb 4, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nah

i could hit our actual pitchers too. just not in the game. It was all in my head.

MT

by MT_always on Feb 6, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So maybe

we hire a sports physiologist to get in the heads of our secondary…?
Humm…..“So Jason David can you tell me how that made you feel when the guy caught the ball and you weren’t close to him…”

by BigTMill on Feb 6, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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