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Who Dat Draft Prospects: Chris Wells and Knowshon Moreno

Pardon me for being offensive. But now that we've "filled the holes in our defense," as some would say, it seems more and more possible that we'll be looking at an offensive player in the first round of the draft. Not likely, mind you—just possible.

What's more, it seems most likely that that player, should we take him (or her...I suppose that's possible, too) will be the short yardage back that Payton supposedly lusts after (that's why you can't entirely discount a her). Unless PayLoo rank LeSean McCoy higher than does anyone in the known universe, and unless both backs happen to be gone by the 14th pick, I'm going to assume that the running back sweepstakes will come down to two players: Chris Wells of Ohio State, and Knowshon Moreno of Georgia.

Both have good reps; both are capable of getting tough, inside yards; both are, in this humble writer's opinion, superfluous. But there's no accounting for what a draftnik in the throes of bestplayeravailablitis might do, so we'll just have to get through this.

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CHRIS WELLS STATS

Height: 6-1

Weight: 235

40-yard dash: 4.50
(Time is an average of Combine
and pro day times)

Vertical jump: 33.5"

Broad jump: 10' 8"

225-lb. bench: 25

Chris Wells
A lot of people are expecting the Saints to pick someone from THE Ohio State University in the first round. It might actually be Chris "Beanie" Wells. [Photo source]

KNOWSHON MORENO STATS

Height: 5-11

Weight: 217

40-yard dash: 4.62
(Time is an average of Combine
and pro day times)

Vertical jump: 35.5"

Broad jump:

225-lb. bench: 25

Knowshon Moreno
...but on the other hand, perhaps Knowshon Moreno would be a better fit with the Saints' offense. [Photo source]

At first glance, it would appear to be no contest. Despite his rep, Knowshon Moreno, on paper, doesn't really stack up to Chris Wells. "Beanie" is bigger; he's faster; he's had more experience, more yards, more touchdowns, a higher YPC. But he's the number one-ranked running back on only about half of the prospect lists—and it's because, while he may have all the stats, Moreno has all the intangibles.

Moreno is a better leader; he's more motivated; he's a better blocker, a better receiver—and most of all, he doesn't carry the stigma of being fragile. Chris Wells suffered through several nagging injuries while at THE Ohio State University, including a sprained foot that required a special shoe. Moreno has never missed a game.

 

THE GOOD

Chris Wells:
"Extraordinary combination of size and natural running ability. Downhill runner who attacks the line of scrimmage when running inside. Shows the patience to pick and slide laterally. Good burst to and through the hole. Despite his height, generally runs with good pad level, giving defenders little to target other than his knees and shoulder pads. Rare size and leg drive to move the pile. Rare vision and lateral quickness for a back of his size." [NFLDraftScout.com]

"Displays a vicious stiff-arm, which he often uses to gain additional yards at the end of runs. There are times when he runs like a man possessed." [ESPN]

"Wells is a big back who has the ability to break free in the open field. He has great vision and displays patience when identifying a hole to attack. He sets up defenders nicely using his deceptive shiftiness and features a strong stiff arm to pick up tough yards. He has the ability to carry the load and take over a game." [Scout.com]

"He looks the part of an NFL starter and has the athleticism to match...is clearly the top running back in the draft and has the talent to be a special player in the NFL. Look for him to be picked in the top five overall." [Sporting News]

"Beanie Wells is kind of back who can carry a franchise ... He's an elite talent - very near to the same grade I gave Adrian Peterson ... Dominant player who could fall a bit in the NFL Draft because the demand for running backs in the NFL is extremely low." [WalterFootball]

Knowshon Moreno:
"Good quickness to the hole. Reads the defense and anticipates where the hole, including cutback lanes, will appear. Exceptional lateral quickness and elusiveness in tight quarters. Very rarely tackled by the first defender. Good acceleration past the initial wave of defense and into the secondary. Good spin and stiff arm, and has phenomenal leaping ability to jump over tacklers. Attacks the line of scrimmage and is a tougher interior runner than given credit for." [NFLDraftScout.com]

"Adequate height and bulk but will need to get bigger and stronger to hold up in the NFL. Is quicker than fast. Top-end speed is adequate but not great...His reckless running style and undersized frame creates legitimate concern regarding his long-term durability in the NFL." [ESPN]

"Moreno is a tremendously gifted offensive weapon who is a threat to take it to the house any time he touches the ball. He runs with outstanding pad level, displays great vision and tremendous cutback ability. He has a quick first step and is lethal on the edge. He’s deceptively strong between the tackles and will fight for extra yards." [Scout.com]

"Moreno is one of the most physical running back prospects our scouts have evaluated in recent years, and he has the talent to be a solid NFL starter. Despite his lack of elite speed and burst, he is faster than expected and outruns defenders who have angles on him. What's truly impressive is his ability to move well in tight quarters, a trait that separates the good NFL backs from the elite ones. That skill will make Moreno a first-round pick." [Sporting News]

"Moreno has earned my 5-star, elite grade because he is an every-down back with an elite talent level, whom I would consider as being a better prospect than Adrian Peterson coming out of college. If some team gets Moreno in the mid-first round or later, they are getting a mega steal. I really have no idea why Moreno is so underrated." [WalterFootball]

 

THE BAD

Chris Wells:
"Primary concern - and the only one that will keep him from being a top 10 pick - is Wells' struggles with durability. Fought nagging injuries throughout much of his career at Ohio State and some have questioned whether he knows the difference between pain and injury. Sat out three full games and parts of several others (including the 2009 Fiesta Bowl -- his final game in a Buckeye uniform) with foot, hamstring and head (concussion) injuries. May lack natural hands for the reception. Has only caught 15 passes for 84 career yards and too often double-clutches. Inconsistent effort as a blocker." [NFLDraftScout.com]

"Was bothered by nagging injuries throughout his career. Only full games missed were in 2008, when he sat out three contests (Ohio, USC, and Troy) due to a lingering toe injury, and he was limited in parts of others because of toe, hamstring and head injuries...Limited experience as a receiver at Ohio State. Caught just eight passes in 2008 and five passes in 2007...doesn't show much savvy or creativity as a route runner. He basically goes to a spot and sits...His overall effort is inconsistent. He takes himself out of games. If he has a big run he frequently takes the next two plays off. Not always a self motivator. Has taken himself out of multiple games because of questionable injuries. Scouts are concerned that he was coddled too much at Ohio State and will be shocked by the adjustment in the NFL. Wells also has ball-security problems. He lost four fumbles last season." [ESPN]

"Does not always stay after his blocks. Must use better technique...Is not a natural pass catcher. Tends to fight the ball at times. Does not seem comfortable catching the ball....Has struggled to stay healthy during his career at Ohio State. Was limited last season by a foot injury he suffered in the season opener. Must prove his toughness in the NFL." [Sporting News]

"Very questionable hands out of the backfield ... Doesn't hit the hole very hard and running lanes do close on him sometimes because of this ... Doesn't put much effort into pass protection and lacks awareness in this area." [Walter Football]

Knowshon Moreno:
"Questionable top-end speed. Lacks the prototype size and bulk some teams are looking for in a bell-cow runner. A bit flashy, and will celebrate a bit too much after big plays." [NFLDraftScout.com]

"His reckless running style and undersized frame creates legitimate concern regarding his long-term durability in the NFL. Is a bit undersized and will be overmatched physically on occasion" [ESPN]

"Lacks the explosive burst and elite speed to get the corner on his own; needs blockers...Struggles to make long breakaway runs." [Sporting News]

"Physical running style could lead to a shortened NFL career if he gets too many carries early on ... Preferably, you want running backs above 210 pounds, but this is being quite picky." [WalterFootball]

 

COMPARISONS

There is no shortage of comparisons for these two, and all the comparisons are flattering. Former running back Archie Griffin of THE Ohio State University recently said that "Chris Wells is the closest thing to Jim Brown that I've ever seen." And it wasn't even his own idea: he was merely repeating what Dick Tressel and Eddie George had already said.

Then again...can you say "homer"? I knew you could.

Those without agendas still praise Wells highly. Sporting News compares him to Adrian Peterson; Matt McGuire, to Bo Jackson. Moreno is no slouch, either, but hasn't been compared to Jim Brown quite yet. McGuire says he reminds him of Marion Barber, III; while the Sporting News makes what is to me the downright peculiar comparison to Shaun Alexander--a great back in his prime, but the opposite of Moreno in his reputation for not liking contact.

It looks like whoever gets either of these two will be getting a solid NFL starter...and maybe even a Hall of Famer.

 

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE SAINTS?

There are two questions to ask here: 1) Do the Saints need to take a running back in the first round? and 2) Which running back should they take?

Do they need to take a running back? No...but then, they don't need to draft ANY position anymore. Their starting line-up is solid, and I doubt any rookie from this draft is going to start. It's going to come down to whoever Payton and Loomis think is the top player available at the time. I strongly doubt that they'll actually be targeting a running back; but they will have both these guys high on their board, and if either of them happens to be the top player left when we reach #14...boom.

So, which one?

Wells is big and fast. He might be the big back that Payton craves...except that he has a tendency toward nagging injuries, a slight penchant for fumbles, and questionable motivation. That last would disqualify him—no coach would rather deal with a lazy player than a gamer—if it weren't completely overshadowed by his marginal utility in the passing game. Wells isn't simply a mediocre receiver, he's a mediocre blocker—something Payton and the Saints cannot afford. Plus, he would be far too expensive to use purely as a short- yardage back: whatever back gets drafted in this position will start.

That leaves Moreno. But as I pointed out in an earlier post, Moreno is essentially Pierre Thomas. He really doesn't bring us anything that Thomas doesn't already supply—except possibly something intangible, something not yet apparent to anyone. If the Saints can't open holes for Thomas in short yardage, I doubt they'll be able to do so for Knowshon Moreno, either...or maybe even for Chris Wells.

What it comes down to is this: Moreno is so similar to Thomas that there's no point in spending a first-round draft choice on him. Yet he's a far better fit for the Saints than Wells. If they draft a back, they should choose Moreno.

But...why?

 

WILL THE SAINTS DRAFT A RUNNING BACK?

Unless we trade down in the draft—at which point this entire exercise will be rendered academic—we'll be using the 14th pick. Take a look at where Wells and Moreno are rated overall:

Draft Chart Chris "Beanie" Wells Knowshon Moreno
NFL Draft Scout 21 18
ESPN 16 14
Scout.com 18 14
Sporting News 2 14
Walter Football 11 8
Draft Countdown 10 23
FF Toolbox 15 17
OVERALL 13.28 15.42

The average of all these ratings...is 14.

Poll
Should the Saints...
Draft Chris Wells?
67 votes
Draft Knowshon Moreno?
40 votes
Draft a defensive player, for the love of all that's holy!
220 votes

327 votes | Poll has closed

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McCoy

I want to go on record by saying LeSean will be the better nfl running back of the three.
Of the few Pitt games that I watched, McCoy ran tough inside and caught the ball out of the backfield well and looked to have good speed(of course against a lot of Big East and Notre Dame opponents defenses)
Wells will be injured all the time and Moreno will turn out to be a head case.
IMHO

by bstetiger on Mar 23, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Head case?

That’s something I haven’t heard yet. What leads you to that conclusion?

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 23, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

just what I saw...

I watched a few of his games at Pitt and he was a game changer.

In my defense though I did say that it was against some of the more porous defenses. I will give Moreno the fact that he ran against SEC defenses.

by bstetiger on Mar 23, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

let me go on record...

first off sorry. I realize you were talking about Moreno now when asking of the head case. He seems a little high strung. I’m all for enthusiasm and excitement for the game but I also believe that there should be respect for the game as well. Knowshon celebrates a bit to much.

second, I’m not for the Saints drafting a RB at all in this draft.

I think we would be well served to work up a trade with the Detroit Lions who have 2 picks in the first.
Here is my scenario:
     Detroit really needs 2 things. Well they need more than that but I don’t doubt they want to fill the O-line issues while at the same time getting a franchise QB. Problem is no one of the big 3 QB’s are really worth the #1 and there would be a possibility that all three could be gone by the time their second pick shows up at 20.
     Here is where we come in. There is a strong probability that Lions could go with Jason Smith (OT) from Baylor. Now they’re gamble is if they want to trade with us and move up to 14 there is a possibility that Sanchez may be there but no doubt that Freeman will still be around. The other gamble is to stay put and risk Freeman being there at 20 (Strong possibility but you never know with the Cutler situation now in Denver).
So trade the Saints either the 20 and a second or third for the 14th or a second and third for the Saints 14th.

Whatcha think?

by bstetiger on Mar 23, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Detroit takes Jason Smith first

or rather, if they take anyone BUT a quarterback, that may set up a competition between them and anyone else (like maybe Tampa) who plans on targeting a quarterback in the first round ahead of Detroit’s 20th pick. That makes the Saints’ 14th pick very tempting for Detroit. There’s a chance we can trade back to 20, grab a third-rounder (I can’t see Detroit throwing in the 33rd pick), and still get Malcolm Jenkins. But there’s also a chance that either Moreno or Wells will still be sitting around there as well—and frankly, that scares me. I am all for picking the best player available, as long as your team has no real holes. Ours does. We’ve got a hole in our secondary big enough to swallow two seasons. Payton and Loomis need to address that fully before they go on the prowl for elite offensive skill players.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 23, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I understood your post well..

You’re saying that Jenkins will still be available at 20? No Way. He will not slip that far, guaranteed. If he’s available for the Texans, they’ll take him.

by AKAY47 on Mar 23, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

We don't know that

What if the Texans have, for instance, Vontae Davis rated higher than Jenkins, and both are available at 15?

Every year, unaccountable things happen. That’s what makes the draft so fascinating. (Unless the unaccountable thing is drafting Johnathon Sullivan, or giving away all your picks for one player, or drafting a wide receiver when you need defensive help. Then it’s just maddening.)

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 23, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

We might end up taking a running back..

But if Jenkins is available at 14, we don’t pass on him. Also, how much of a slap to the face would it be for Pierre Thomas if we just go out and draft a running back. He played so well last season and this is how we award him. I don’t agree with drafting a running back.

Are we happy with Jabari Greer as a starter? What if Porter goes down again (knock on wood he doesn’t).. Are we happy with Randall Gay and Jabari Greer as our starters on cornerback? We need Malcom Jenkins, and if he’s not there, I say we trade back.

We can pick up a big running back in the later rounds.

If we draft Knowshon Moreno or Chris Wells, who starts? Moreno/Wells or Pierre Thomas? IMHO, it’s all up to who’s available. If Jenkins is not there at 14, do we take Vontae Davis, or do we take one of these runnings backs.

BEST SCENARIO: Malcom Jenkins available at 14
SECOND BEST SCENARIO: No one we like is available at 14, so we trade back.
THIRD BEST SCENARIO: Vontae Davis
LAST SCENARIO: Someone spikes the New Orleans Saints managements drinks, and we draft a running back with our first round pick.

by AKAY47 on Mar 23, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

all this talk of running backs recently and

it makes one wonder where bush fits into the equation? we already know payton is hell bent on using him as a running back , even though he isn’t. yet, no one is talking about reggie. also, i think a linebacker who can rush the passer is the best option – there is less depth there than in the secondary. really, who thinks scott shanle cuts it as a starter in this league? i don’t

by DeuceisLoose926 on Mar 23, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I watched the Jan. 2007 Eagles@Saints playoff game again yesterday. That was Deuce’s game, but Reggie was impressive as well. I hope he’s healthy this year and shows everyone what he can do.

Also caught half of the 2008 Saints@Broncos game on NFL Network last night. I actually had tears in my eyes. Reggie had a good game, Shockey caught a pass, Pierre looked good (I turned the channel before the 3rd and short play and the missed field goal), Shanle probably had a career best game and Tracy Porter made at least one big play (“Who the hell is #22??? OH!!”). If we’d had a better defense, we’d be insufferable Superbowl champions today. That’s what I was crying about. (“Personal foul, unsportsmanlike conduct, #41. 15 yards, FIRST DOWN!”)

2009.

by stujo4 on Mar 23, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I watched that NFL Replay game last night too

I agree with you. I should have turned the channel when you did. Instead, I watched the botched 3rd and 1 play with the Broncos defender so far over the line of scrimmage that he was practically standing beside Drew! And, the zebras missed it! Then, I watched Frodo miss what should have been the winning kick. Simply heartbreaking!

I was watching our defense very closely and was pleasantly reminded of how well Tracy Porter plays. He covered and tackled very well until his injury. I think he’ll be even better this year. Maybe he can be our Nmandi Asoumagua. Reggie had a pretty good game too, minus the fumble that led to a Broncos TD.

As for the first round pick, I’m hoping they find a way to trade back some spots and pick up a 3rd round pick. I like the Detroit trade scenario. It would be nice if that pans out. As for these two RBs, Beanie seems to fit the powerback mold well, but his injury history and inconsistent motivation scares me.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by David "Satch" Kelly on Mar 23, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

on my mind

Satch, didn’t that Saints offense look GOOD last night? I was so proud.

I love Reggie, I really do. I just wonder if he’ll mature any further. When he makes a mistake (fumble) and Payton is barking at him as he comes back to the sideline, he’ll go sulk on the bench or whatever you want to call it. You can see it affects him. Someone more mature (Deuce) will acknowledge the error and put it behind them. I just hope he can become a less emotional, more thoughtful player this year. That might help reduce his excessive dancing in the backfield too. And no more of this:

Afterward, Bush told reporters, “That’s how it goes. I just work here. I’m just an employee. I don’t call the shots. I definitely don’t call the plays.”

http://blog.nola.com/jeffduncan/2008/12/saturday_film_review_saints_co.html

2009.

by stujo4 on Mar 23, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

Our first choice, second, and third should be drafting a defensive player… If Jenkins is there, get him!!! If he’s not, pick a LB. Still no one we like, trade down get more picks and get a back later. At 14 there will be a defensive player that will help us. You got the USC LB’s. …. Im a L. McCoy fan too. I can see him in black and gold. I also can see I. Johnson in a saints uniform too. Lets get these two guys out of our heads (Please PayLoo – not a RB or at least not in the first round anyway)

2010 Superbowl Champs - New Orleans Saints!!!!!! You gotta believe!!!!!!!

by saints4eva06 on Mar 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Didn’t we have Antonio Pittman? Why did we let that guy go? People are saying that Chris Wells will be better than Marshawn Lynch..? Is he rated that high up?

I bet this is what people are thinking. Darren Sharper has 1 year left in him, right? Maybe he’ll just take the FS position for now, and we take Chris Wells in the first this year. In next year’s draft, they’ll probably take a ACTUAL safety to back up Sharper, and learn from his ways.

I don’t think this is the way to look at it. Our biggest problem last year was not the running game, it was our defense. Why can’t we just draft a running back in the 4th round, and take Malcom in the first? That’s how we need to look at it. Greer, Porter, Sharper and Harper are not solid enough. Sharper is aging, he might get injured, and who else to take his spot than Malcom Jenkins. Sharper will help Jenkins grow as a player and man.

‘Nuff said. We’re not drafting a running back with our first pick in the draft, no matter what.

by AKAY47 on Mar 23, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I wish you were drafting for us

…but what’s your pick if Jenkins is off the board?

By the way, we let Pittman go because Pierre Thomas beat him out of a job. All indications are it was the right call. Even if we’d used that fourth-rounder to draft Thomas, it would still have been a steal.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 23, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Jenkins is not there..

I would trade back or draft a linebacker. I personally want Laurinaitis and would move him to the OLB with either Fujita or Morgan. No one thinks Laurinaitis is cut for this position, but he’s a tackling machine, and will be able to adjust. He had a huge pro day, so that’s a positive for him. Brian Cushing is another option, but if those 2 guys are not what we want, I say we trade back.

by AKAY47 on Mar 23, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm in the tank for...

moreno. been saying that for a while, and even though personally i don’t think we should draft an RB in the first round, it seems like the moreno pick would make the most sense given the saints’ philosophy.

and i know PT is very similar to moreno, but why is that a bad thing? payton loves depth at virtually every offensive position, even if the skill sets of players are the same (see: resigning devery even though meachem could’ve been our “deep threat” WR). i’d gladly take two Pierre-like running backs over one—keeps them both fresh throughout games.

i’m assuming, of course, jenkins is gone by that point—but what if he isn’t? is there any chance we won’t draft him if he’s available at #14? i certainly think that’s a possibility, even though the nation of saints fans would say that’s heresy. i really don’t think we’re sold on him, and instead we’re taking a safety in a later round. and if he is at #14, that could be good trade-down leverage and get us back into rd 2.

but if he is our DB savior, then why don’t we make a move up to ensure getting him? i think it’s because the saints don’t think he’s worth it, despite what all the mock-drafters are saying, and gregggggg williams has someone else in his sights. or maybe the seeming lack of interest from the saints is a diversion and we’re really hoping he’ll fall to us— who knows, i’m just not as convinced as everyone else that either he or vontae davis will be a sure thing.

by jful on Mar 23, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I was..

hoping we would have picked up a bruiser last year ala Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. I would think we should concentrate defensively in the first round, but if I had to choose between these two I would pick Wells. I believe he would fit better with Reggie in a 2-back scheme.

by Mikeno on Mar 24, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

PT PT PT

or even Bell.

We dont need a RB!!

MT

by MT_always on Mar 25, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

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