Unlucky #14...?
As the draft descends upon us, football fans everywhere are engaging in wildly unrestrained speculation, most of which is baseless and, usually, way off the mark. But even though there's no way to predict with any accuracy what teams will do in the draft, using historical trends at least provides some justification for whatever crazy claims we can come up with. And that's why I say, if the past is any indication, we simply must trade out of the #14 spot. Because it's cursed.
Take a look at the players selected at #14 since 1998:
1998 - Jason Peter, DT - Carolina Panthers. Note this is NOT Jason Peters, the 2-time Pro Bowl left tackle for the Bills (who was undrafted). Jason Peter played 3 seasons for the Panthers before a chronic neck injury forced him to retire in 2001. He recorded 7.5 sacks in 3 seasons. Yeah, sort of the definition of a bust.
1999 - John Tait, OT - Kansas City Chiefs. 2-time Pro Bowler, quality starter for the Chiefs for 5 years, then the Bears, although he plans to retire this year. Not a bust, especially given some of the players taken before him that year (Tim Couch, Akili Smith), but not a future hall of famer, either.
2000 - Bubba Franks, TE - Green Bay Packers. Another solid, if unspectacular, starter who's career was hampered by injuries, but he did make 3 pro bowls.
2001 - Kenyatta Walker, OT - Tampa Bay Bucs. Although he started for Tampa in their Super Bowl victory against the Raiders, Walker only lasted 6 seasons with the Bucs--and couldn't play the LT spot he was originally drafted for. He drew little interest from other teams but eventually made the practice squad (!) of the Toronto Argonauts. So he's got that going for him.
2002 - Jeremy Shockey, TE - New York Giants. Keep your fingers crossed for this season. He has played well in the past, but his inability to perform for the #1 offense--and specifically the #1 passing offense--is a concern.
2003 - Michael Haynes, DE - Chicago Bears. Only lasted 3 seasons in Chicago, during which time he recorded 5.5 sacks. So unspectacular that the Saints picked him up in 2006--but he was never activated and got cut mid-season. That happened again with the Jets.
2004 - Tommie Harris, DT - Chicago Bears. Made up for the Haynes pick with Tommie Harris, a 3-time Pro Bowler who, before Albert Haynesworth, was the highest paid DT in the league. Definitely the most solid of the 14s.
2005 - Thomas Davis, LB - Carolina Panthers. Who? Maybe I should know him, since he's played in all but 2 games for the Panthers since he was drafted, but his stats are modest at best. Has 1 interception in 4 seasons, which is disappointing considering he played safety at Georgia, but did rack up 114 tackles last year. A solid starter, I suppose, but definitely underwhelming.
2006 - Brodrick Bunkley, DT - Philadelphia Eagles. These more recent picks are harder to evaluate, but Bunkley hasn't shown much in his 3 seasons-- has recorded 5 sacks, but didn't earn a starting spot until last year. Not necessarily a bust, but definitely nothing to write home about.
2007 - Darrelle Revis, CB - New York Jets. Some great young CBs in this class, Revis was named to the Pro Bowl last season and already has 8 interceptions in his short career. I really wish the Saints went with a defensive pick in this draft, as Meachem is arguably one of the few first-round busts so far from 07 and the defensive players from that year really have had an impact around the league.
2008 - Chris Williams, OT - Chicago Bears. The Bears love this 14 spot, don't they? Williams has no playing history to evalute, since the Bears basically drafted him with the knowledge that he'd be injured, and he was--had back surgery, didn't play at all. No one seems to know what they were thinking. But maybe he'll eventually be awesome.
The conclusion that the #14 pick is bound for bust is a bit of a stretch, but it seems like there is a real derth of superstars that have come out of that mid-first round range. Part of it could be attributed to the fact that teams often "reach" for players afer the elite, top-ten prospects are gone, and maybe it's all coincidental. However, in the same timeframe, there's a superstar taken at virtually every other spot.
What this exercise has shown me (other than kill a lot of time at work) is that Malcom Jenkins is a perfect fit for the #14 spot--a solid player who will contribute as a starter but will not reach that elite, upper echelon of NFL superstardom. Bottom line, though, is that the Saints are probably better served trading down in (and maybe out of) the first round so that we can address depth at multiple positions and avoid a high-salary bust. The top of the 2nd round is historically filled with really good players--and of all the Saints draft picks in the Payton era, the 1st rounders have been the most disappointing.
Thoughts?
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Nice work
Paying too much for a player in the first round is my only concern with taking a first rounder. Taking a roll player such as Brian Cushing at #14 looks to me will help our secondary. Speed at LB and pass rush is what has not been addressed. Second and third rounds doesn’t get you “Speed & Smarts”. Cushing would learn vastly from Vilma how to be the defensive leader and take over that lead roll in a few years. Cushing will be there at #14 and not be there second round.
by Big and Easy on Mar 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
14 will do
Not convinced but nice try. You need a more arrogant tone to your convictions. See M-E’s posts for pointers.
John Tait is a nice Mormon boy (it’s a cult) who does not believe in Big Love (at least that’s the story) but was, unfortunately, drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs. GM King Carl Peterson, not the most sensitive of individuals, offered John a beer during their first meeting and when that offer was declined, offered him iced tea. Things went south after that with King Carl becoming enraged at the young Tait’s refusals of his hospitality and his contract offers. He lost his temper and let out a purple streak of profanities intended to bully the young player into seeing the Chief’s (Carl’s) side of the contract negotiations, but succeeded only in deeply offending the already offended young man and his agent. (If you watch Big Love you know that the good Mormons’ dialogue is Saintsational approved, the strongest words uttered being “heck” and “darn”.) Tait eventually signed but never sent King Carl a Christmas card. The End.
I made some of that up but certainly not all of it. Just the drinks and card parts. For color.
2009.
by stujo4 on Mar 23, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not as Jinxed as you think
It doesn’t appear that #14 is as jinxed as you think. First of all, I have to disagree with some of your evaluations. # Pro Bowls? Well, I think any team would be happy to draft ANY player at any position that is a 3-time pro bowler. Remember, it’s all a crapshoot- you never know when a 7th round draft pick will be a huge impact player (Colston) and a first rounder will be a bust (Sullivan). Bunkely has been a great asset to the Eagles- he has not made a pro-bowl but he has very adequately replaced Hollis Thomas (who was excellent in Phila) and has stayed healthy. Bunkley is not expected to get a huge number of sacks- the Eagles usually are way up the ladder in # of sacks and Jim Johnson’s scheme get sacks but it might be from DE’s, Safeties (Dawkins), LBs, etc. Thomas Davis racks up 114 tackles last year and is part of one of the best defenses in football, they lose Dan Morgan, don’t skip a beat, and he is a disappointment?? Plays in all but 2 games and possibly has 5-8 seasons left in him? I don’t know???? Kenyatta Walker- has a Super Bowl ring- lasted 6 seasons in a league where the average lifespan is .. what..3-4 seasons? Every #14 can’t be a Howie long or a Jerry Rice. Six seasons is damn good. Bubba Franks – played 8 seasons and made 3 Pro Bowls- come on- did you really expect hime to make 8/8 Pro Bowls? I think this #14 slot is no where near as jinxed as you portray. Oh, and I do think Shockey has made a pro bowl or 2 (actually 4/8 and was rookie of the year, caught 50+ receptions every year for 8 years- most teams would kill to have that kind of draft pick.No, respectfully i disagree and I think there is not much credence to it being a bad spot to pick.
by Philinwood on Mar 23, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're missing the point...
did you read the conclusion? you might want to read it again and check yo self.
i’m not trying to suggest that players drafted at #14 are inherently destined to fail—in fact, it seems like almost everyone drafted in that mid-round range has a career as a solid nfl starter. hopefully if you’re one of the first fifteen players drafted FROM EVERY COLLEGE TEAM you’ll be able to play football professionally. but that doesn’t mean that you’ll be a superstar.
and in case you’re not a saints fan or just have missed what’s been going on this offseason—payton is completely reshaping the saints, and as the fan favorites are shown the door, the draft becomes our avenue for replenishing those losses. that means picking someone who can blow up the field, be an impact player, and become intrinsically associated with that team.
again, i say that none of those players fits that bill. maybe i just don’t know enough eagles fans, but i don’t know one person with a brodrick bunkley jersey. i never worry about “omg wtf we’re playing the panthers how are we going to run past thomas davis?!?” and ask my friends from tampa what they thought of kenyatta walker, the penalty machine.
it’s not just about pro bowls or stats— that’s just a barometer in gauging overall longevity and success in the nfl. so, true, they’re not horrible failures who can’t play in the nfl—like jonathan sullivan, ryan leaf, robert gallery, or basically any of the lions first round picks—but there’s no albert haynesworth (#15 in 02) or troy polamalu (#16 in 03) or Rogers-Cromartie (#16 last year) in the group.
the saints need to get to the gosh-darn superbowl (big love approved language), and we’re not going to do that with a bubba franks, sorry to say. players like that are good but they’re not game-changers.
look at the list again and tell me it’s not underwhelming. if it helps i’ll take the time at work tomorrow to do the same thing with other spots in the first round. Take a look from 1998 to 2008 at the #13 spot:
Takeo Spikes, Troy Edwards , John Abraham, Marcus Stroud, Donte Stallworth, Ty Warren, Lee Evans, Jammal Brown, Kamerion Wimbley, Adam Carriker, Jonathan Stewart. A few bombs, but by and large a much more solid group than those picked 1 spot later.
again i’m not saying that these franchises should be upset with themselves over most of these selections (the bears are batting 300!) but other spots have produced great, not simply good, players. so why settle for a good/solid/productive player at #14 if we can trade back and get multiple good/solid/productive players later?
…and that was the point. whew.
by jful on Mar 23, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not so much
- is not an issue if your coaches know how to pick a quality player….most of the players you listed are solid in my opinion with the exception of a few…nice post though…#14 Jenkins!
by diehardbermysaints on Mar 23, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still hoping...
That they will trade down and get some depth, as well as one of the young strong safeties…Chung would look good in black and gold.
by BlackandGold4ever on Mar 23, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post!
All I know is that Darrelle Revis is a stud. I hope our pick turns out to be better than he is, and when I mean our pick, I really mean to say MALCOM JENKINS!
by AKAY47 on Mar 23, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with quite a few things...
1. Thomas Davis is a GREAT SLB and will be extended / resigned. He is one of the tops in the league IMO.
2. Brodrick Bunkley is an absolute BEAST of a DT. Stats can’t tell you everything my friend. This guy was worth every penny he was paid and well worth the 14th overall pick.
3. Revis is going to be a stud. This season he allowed only one TD pass and basically shut down Moss… ya it was Cassel who was throwing to him but still… it was Moss. Not many can do that.
4. Jeremey Shockey had some very productive seasons in NY and played very well until his injuries started to get worse, he was a good selection.
5. Tommie Harris is one of the best UT in the game when healthy… getting that at #14 is very impressive.
6. Chris Williams was rumored to go as high as #5 to the Chiefs last season… When you pick up a potential stud LT at 14, he’s a steal. He was injured last season, this season, you’ll see why he was a projected top 15 pick.
by SaintsDynasty on Mar 24, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with you SD
50% of that list are ProBowlers. That is a great percentage.
I remember being pissed when Carolina took Thomas Davis. He is a very good football player.
I do agree that the Saints should trade out of the 14th spot, but I respectfully disagree with the reasoning…
I am the Stig
by Hollywoo! on Mar 24, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
I was reading the comments wondering what everyone was smoking haha.
by SaintsDynasty on Mar 24, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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