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Jonathan Vilma's Condo Location of Double Murder

By now this morning we've already heard the reports about the goings on at Jonathan Vilma's Woodbury, NY condominiium. The NY Post broke the story...

Cops are investigating whether two Bronx immigrants were executed in former Jet linebacker Jonathan Vilma's million-dollar Long Island condo before their bodies were dumped in Brooklyn and Queens, sources said yesterday.

The men, including one who iden tified himself as Vilma's cousin, had everything they needed to enter the 99-unit luxury compound -- the password, the electronic gate opener and the keys to Vilma's home

Shortly after midnight Thursday, two men tossed the body of a man believed to be one of the victims, identified by police sources as Bronx cabby Sekou Sakor, 31, into Jamaica Bay from the Paerdegat Bridge in Canarsie. He had been shot once in the head.

Several hours later, cops found the body of a man thought to be the second victim, identified as Ansu Keita, 32, also of The Bronx, in a weed-strewn lot in South Ozone Park. He, too, died of a single gunshot to the head.

More details from FOX Sports...

Browne said investigators believe the victims may have been mixed up in a so-called "black money" scheme. Victims are sent e-mails saying that cash smuggled from overseas — stained black to avoid detection — can be purchased at a discount; what they receive is a trunk full of worthless paper.

I am asking cooler heads to prevail on this one. Comparisons are already being made between Vilma and Michael Vick and that is just absurd. We need to all wait for more details to come out about this incident before starting to throw out hints and allegations.

Though there is no denying that the execution-style murders took place it is important to keep in mind the source. For those of you who may not be familiar with the NY Post, it is the newspaper version of Pro Football Talk. They sensationalize (Saintsationalize?) otherwise serious stories to puff them up and give them more interest. They love nothing more than to be able to associate a dirty deed with someone everyone knows and loves.

Let's wait on this one.

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Here's an update, with names

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9400392/Two-men-slain-at-condo-owned-by-Saints-LB-Vilma

“Sekou Sakor and Ansu Keita were each shot in the head sometime Thursday night at a condominium in Woodbury, N.Y., owned by Jonathan Vilma. There were no arrests.”

I’m the one who made the earlier comparison to the Michael Vick situation, and this is why it immediately reminded me of that:

“Browne said various members of Vilma’s family had access to the condominium, located in a gated development. It had been up for sale.”

No mention of who these “family members” are…but Vilma is from Florida. They’re probably not close. It seems that allowing “family members” the use of your uninhabited properties isn’t a good idea for NFL players.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gear up for this one

Until his innocence or guilt is fully resolved, this is unfortunately going to overshadow everything going on for you guys this off-season. Terrible situation, terrible for the families of those killed, and not fun for Saints fans.

Best of luck to you.

by Dave the Falconer on Mar 31, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The voice of experience speaks

Let’s hope he’s wrong, but these things usually take months to resolve even if the party involved turns out to be completely innocent.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's an update, with names

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9400392/Two-men-slain-at-condo-owned-by-Saints-LB-Vilma

“Sekou Sakor and Ansu Keita were each shot in the head sometime Thursday night at a condominium in Woodbury, N.Y., owned by Jonathan Vilma. There were no arrests.”

I’m the one who made the earlier comparison to the Michael Vick situation, and this is why it immediately reminded me of that:

“Browne said various members of Vilma’s family had access to the condominium, located in a gated development. It had been up for sale.”

No mention of who these “family members” are…but Vilma is from Florida. They’re probably not close. It seems that allowing “family members” the use of your uninhabited properties isn’t a good idea for NFL players.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now this is weird, Dave

I did NOT post this twice. This posted itself, when I clicked on “Preview” for the reply to Dave the Falconer. Talk about a bug…

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

talk about a likely story

GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."

by stujo4 on Mar 31, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saints fan from Kansas

like THAT happens a lot…

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3.1% baby!

GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."

by stujo4 on Mar 31, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAH

i stutter.. you repeat yourself later.

i think someone is after the us.

MT

by MT_always on Mar 31, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahem...

it happens more than you think.

by SaintsFan-KS on Mar 31, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kansas Saints fans

are apparently the dark matter that binds the universe. They’re everywhere…you just can’t see ’em. :)

My God, did I actually use a smiley?

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that why

They always take our old players?

by Just Some Guy on Mar 31, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not a drug deal gone bad
killed as revenge for an Internet scam

I’m not concerned. Vilma had nothing to do with this.

Well, it wasn’t
supposed to go
down that way.
But they burned his brother,
you know,
And they left him lying
in the driveway.
They let him down with nothin’.
He tried to do his best
but he could not.

GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."

by stujo4 on Mar 31, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not the point

Apparently, the two dead men weren’t the Vilma relatives (VMs for short), but the victims of the VMs—or of someone else who gained access to Vilma’s property through them. That suggests a wide and deep criminal background on the part of the VMs, so there’s no telling what may come out, or what else they may have been using that property for. The big questions is going to turn out to be, what did Vilma know and when? And any attorney worth his fee will tell Vilma not to talk to the press or public about this, so we’re not going to find out the truth for a long time.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And something else I forgot to mention

Prosecutors are usually ambitious—and conceited—people. They thrive on famous cases. Just look what happened to Charles Grant merely for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Jonathan Vilma is still a big name in New York; and if there is any way they can tie him to this, they’ll do it—no matter how strained and tenuous the connection. I’ve seen it happen hundreds of times before.

Dave the Falconer is probably right. Fasten your seatbelts.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

conspiracy theorist with no evidence

It’s people like you who give J. Vilma a bad name. Dog crapped on my lawn this morning. Does that make me a bad person?

GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."

by stujo4 on Mar 31, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the dog had anything to do with it

Seriously…I’m not trying to accuse Vilma or tie him to this in any way. If it seems that way, I’ve expressed myself badly. There is NOTHING in his past or in his personality—that I’m aware of—that would lead you to believe he is personally mixed up in this. When I say that the big questions will be What did Vilma know? and When? it’s not because I think there are significant answers to be found. Most likely, the answers are “Not a thing” and “Never.” But they’re going to be asked, and not just asked: they’re going to be pounded by the press, the police, and the prosecutor, and Vilma had better be ready to stand up to the heat.

It was his property that apparently was used, and by his relatives. Because he’s prominent, the story isn’t going to go away anytime soon. Not only that, but no matter how it turns out, it’s going to be Jonathan Vilma’s name that is forever associated with it. Quick: name any of the other defendants in the Michael Vick case. Didn’t think you could.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Mar 31, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not worried!!??!!

Vilma was in Florida, Right?

by Big and Easy on Mar 31, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh

I bet he wishes he was in camp now.

by Big and Easy on Mar 31, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go again

Another season started off tainted with murder and one of our players close to it but not in it. But just enough to take his focus to 90% instead of 100.

by BigTMill on Mar 31, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good thing there is no rape involved here or we'd ALL be losing our heads

Settle down.

GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."

by stujo4 on Mar 31, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been away from the computer all morning,

so this is the first I’ve heard about this. I’ll have to do a little reading and catch up with you all. It sounds like a bad situation all the way around.

by SaintsFan-KS on Mar 31, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2nd issue with Vilma in the off-season

No matter how you slice it, it is not good news that this guy is now being mentioned in two off-field incidents this off-season. You’d be completely naive to not have a question about Vilma’s character now. Personally, I think the guy is a good character – but if the shoe drops on this or another incident, I won’t be shocked.

by drbonne on Mar 31, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the Vick comparison...

was more just because Vick had fam and friends that were not a good crowd, I don’t think whoever stated this meant it in a way to vilify Vick.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Mar 31, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well they should have

And if they didn’t, I will. He’s not a very nice person.

GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."

by stujo4 on Mar 31, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to worry

(I think I’ve already told this one, but that’s never stopped me before) I’m traveling with my boss (not Larry, Mark: he looks like congressman Barney Frank but likes girls), trying to get home from Rhode Island, thunderstorms cause us to miss the last flight out of Chicago. United gives us hotel vouchers and we stay over, meet in the restaurant for breakfast. Headline news: OJ Simpson’s wife and friend brutally butchered last night. I said “Mark, he’s in Chicago today (don’t remember how I knew that). He killed his wife and got on a plane right afterwards.” Mark stares at me, knowing that OJ is a beloved football legend and comedy film genious, and says: “Whoa whoa Stuart…. Let’s not jump to conclusions.”

Obviously, I’m prescient (acquittal verdict notwithstanding). Vilma had nothing to do with this and is completely innocent.

GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."

by stujo4 on Mar 31, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol...

the speculations of fans when things go wrong with a star. Hilarious how we assign attributes and qualities to people we’ve never met.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Mar 31, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

more details

here

Police believe a cousin of Vilma had access to the Woodbury apartment, which Vilma was renting to tenants while he tried to sell it. Police have not yet spoken to Vilma. “Of course, he has absolutely nothing to do with this crime and will do everything possible to help the police solve it,” said attorney Michael Tein.

GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."

by stujo4 on Mar 31, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Facts and evidence

Vilma only owned the property from what I understand and was not currently inhabiting it. In order to be associated with this crime and charged for any wrong doings, he has to have broken a law. Impossible if he was not physically involved or had no knowledge of it at all. If the evidence involved in this crime proves the above than he is completely innocent of any wrong doing. The situation seems just like say if one of us owned an apartment/house and we rented it out. The tenant committed a murder in the home/apartment so is the landlord (owner) responsible in any way if he had no knowledge of the crime taking place and no involvement other than merely owning the property. It’s a sad thing when any murder happens, but I think we can all relax on this one and feel confident it will be seen for exactly what it is.

by narco301 on Apr 1, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i think...

Vick said the same tho?
I am NOT saying Vilma = Vick.

I am just pointing out that there are always more then it appears.

For instance. If we took him getting arrested the last time at face value he was guilty or something. They ended up dropping the charges because they were in the wrong.

Let us hope that he truly had no contact with anyone there and if his relatives who had access were simply the ones responsible for answering the phone when the tenants called to say the toilet was broken.

MT

by MT_always on Apr 1, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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