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Saints 2009 Draft: Assume Your Position

Before the off-season started the consensus among Saints fans was that the secondary was the teams most glaring need to fill this off-season. With the signing of two safeties and a cornerback via free agency the door to possible draft options has now swung wide open. Now ss we near the draft at the end of the month it is becoming abundantly clear that Saints fans aren't divided over which player to draft so much as they are about which position. Sure there are a few different players to choose from at each position that might cause a little friction but it's the debate over which position that is most heated. For every two Saints fans arguing over Knowshon and Beanie there is a third fan who thinks they're both crazy for even considering a running back as an option. 

Let's take a quick look at each of the schools of thought for Saints fans in this years draft. When we're done, it'll be your turn to finally state your case and tell us just where you stand on this situation. 

 

Cornerback/Safety

Vontae Davis is out of the picture as a possible draft option leaving only Malcolm Jenkins as the leading draft candidate. It's certainly an acceptable draft scenario but with so many upgrades to the secondary would the Saints continue to add depth - and money - at the position. And is he a safety or a cornerback anyway? Jenkins has been drawing a lot of attention from other teams as a top prospect so this decision may not even be up for debate when #14 roles around.

 

Linebacker

Upgrading the linebacking corp, more specifically the outside spot, seems the next likely direction for the Saints to go if Malcolm Jenkins isn't on the board anymore and they really are commited to fixing the defense. There are a few candidates they will probably have the option of choosing from including Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews and Clint Sintim. 

 

Running Back

This is the situation I fear most. I'm on the Pierre Thomas bandwagon and I think we've already got our man. But Reggie Bush, while great to have, just isn't that big physical back. He's flashy and finesse. Mike Bell showed some flashes of brilliance late last year but he's just not the answer. If we take a step back for a moment I think we'd all have to admit...there isn't much depth, if at all, in the bruiser running back department behind PT. As Jeff Duncan mentioned, if the Saints don't think there are any defensive players worth grabbing when it's there turn to pick they could very well take a top running back as part of their best player available policy. But, there might also be a team willing to trade to take said running back.    

 

Defensive Line

Players like Everette Brown and Tyson Jackson might also be possible options for the Saints but defensive line is probably the least area of need for this Saints defense and also the most financially invested. 

 

Trade Down

My personal favorite. I'm honestly not crazy about any of the draft possibilities this year and I think the Saints would be better served picking up an extra pick or two. Payton and company have been pretty darn good at finding talent in the later rounds, even more reason this option looks attractive. 

 

We've been talking about all of this for months and now it's finally time for everyone to go on record and officially declare their allegiance. What position do you want to see the Saints address with the first round pick? Leave your choice in the subject heading. If you'd like, feel free to tell us which player at that position you'd like the Saints to pick in the message body of the comment. We'll check back later and see who was right and who was oh so wrong. Where do you stand?

You can officially mark me down for "Trade Down." 

 

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Trade Down

I would trade down…probably a couple of times actually and get a lot of secomnd and third round players. I’d like to see us take Chung, Michael Johnson (I’m really high on him), and a RB (I think the on from UConn is nice). I think there is some decent depth at the LB position, although if they stay at 14, then I’d say they have to take one of the LB’s there.

by BlackandGold4ever on Apr 12, 2009 7:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like that Chung kid.

"The best hope for David to make the final roster is for the Saints to select players at other positions in the draft."- Jeff Duncan, T-Pic 4/8/09

by stujo4 on Apr 12, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade Down

Third optrion could be a team trading and older short yardage RB and a pick for our spot.

""Don't give up, don't ever give up."" JIm Valvano

"To me there are three things everyone should do every day. Number one is laugh. Number two is think -- spend some time time in thought. Number three, you should have your emotions move you to tears. If you laugh, think and cry, that's a heck of a day." Jim Valvano

by Celtic Tiger on Apr 12, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade down

There are a couple of different value charts floating around. Depending on who we traded with we could get different compensation. The traditional chart says we can get a late first, late second, and a fith for our first.

A new chart that takes into account salaries for the top 10 has the picks 10-15 as a sweet spot. On that chart we could get a late first, late second, and an early fourth for our pick.

If we traded our first and one of our fourths, we coud get a late first, late second, and an early third, or a late first, middle second, and a late third.

There are numerous options to this, but all would benefit us more than taking 1 player in the first 116 picks.

We could get a LB w/ our first, a DB w/ our second, and a RB w/ our third. All needs get attention without a passing up a clear star player. Sintim should still be on the board late in the first, Vontae Davis could be there in the second, and there are plenty of options for a third round RB when you are looking for a power back. (Frank Gore, Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber, Steve Slayton, La’ron McClaine – just a few example from the past few yeas of backs taken on the second day.)

This has to be the Saints #1 plan. We might not have a partner, so this might not work out, but as a fan base we should agree this would be ideal.

by saintsdevotee on Apr 12, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade down but still go defense with 1st pick

Four picks just doesn’t seem enough. They need at least one more. I’d like to see them trade down into the teens or early twenties of the first, which would probably gain them a third rounder. I’d feel much better about next season if they go defense with their first pick, either LB, DE, or S (Jenkins if still available). I want to see them add a RB, but in a later round like the second or third (if they trade down) or fourth. They’ve been looking at Rashad Jennings from Liberty and he’s projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd. Beanie Wells seems like too much of a question mark and definitely not worth a no. 14 pick. He could wind up being another Jonathon Sullivan.

Don’t be surprised to see Pay-Loo trade one of next year’s picks for a 2nd or 3rd rounder this year. They did that last year by trading with the Packers for a late pick in order to grab Adrian Arrington. They’ll have more to work with next year and I can totally see them doing that again this draft to get a second first day pick. Maybe we’ll see them hold on and use the no.14 pick and then suddenly reappear in the 2nd or 3rd to grab someone else. That’s what I’d most like to see.

It’s impossible to predict exactly what Pay-Loo will do, but I’d bet my bottom dollar that they will be involved in at least one or two trades.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Apr 12, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Robert Ayers

is a better option on the defensive line, I think…but yes, we’ve already got so much invested in our ends that I can’t see us doing this.

As far as running back, you say that Mike Bell is “just not the answer.” But what’s the question? Depth? Bell and Hamilton give us depth that’s probably as good as any other team but perhaps the Giants and Panthers. Plus, Hamilton—who really hasn’t been given a chance—is the same size as Beandip and ran a 4.43 40. He’s had injury problems, but Beandip is an injury problem waiting to happen. So not only do we already have Moreno, we already have Wells, too.

I can’t see any excuse whatsoever not to pick defense…unless it’s trading down, and choosing a solid offensive lineman (Mack, Unger) at a lower spot in the first.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Apr 12, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Duncan RB article

As Stu would say, Jeff is spreading more Knowshon propaganda. I get the feeling he’s preparing us to accept a Knowshon pick at no. 14. He and Pay-Loo may have us all thinking that Moreno was the perfect choice by the time April 25 gets here. If they do that, they’d better be very creative and genius-like in the later rounds to acquire some “diamond in the rough” defensive talent. Otherwise, another year of fans watching an underperforming defense keep us from the playoffs may produce a mob mentality that gets Pay-Loo run out of town on a rail. I already feel better about the defense with the signing of Gregg Williams, but will that be enough?

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Apr 12, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

boom rec'd it

the “very creative and genius-like in the later rounds to acquire some "diamond in the rough" defensive talent.” part.

"The best hope for David to make the final roster is for the Saints to select players at other positions in the draft."- Jeff Duncan, T-Pic 4/8/09

by stujo4 on Apr 12, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bandwagon

Man we’ve got quite a bandwagon here for trading down, any room for one more? Well it was what I wanted anyway, so you guys better squeeze in tight because I’m coming on board either way.

I’d honestly like to see them trade out of the first entirely. We have decent starters penciled in for every single position, but the depth, especially at safety and linebacker but also at center and guard, appears rather atrocious. I would like to see them try to trade out of the 1st entirely. At the very least they should command a 2/3/5 combo out of that, probably more.

by FriarBob on Apr 12, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Malcolm Jenkins

Malcolm Jenkins I think is are answer!!! He as proven to be a ball hawk. His combine wasnt the greatest but im sure most will agree some times the players play on the field should out way is combine stats. My only concern is that it is true that he played in mainly a zone coverage defense. Can we say “Jason David” i know he has killed my faith In any zone players. On that note if we move him to safety then it may just fit him because safety’s play 80% zone in most defences.

by Realsaint on Apr 12, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Down

Nuff said! Buttttt…. I will say this.

Running Back? They don’t run it enough to make this a top pick.

Linebacker? A healthy Dan Morgan and Vilma make this one of the better linebacker corps around.

Cornerback/Safety? Jenkins is a tweener and that makes me nervous. I just don’t think “Da Man” is there at 14.

Defensive Line? We’ve got a better line than advertised… I hope. I wouldn’t waste a pick on that position.

So as I said… TRADE DOWN!

by kman71 on Apr 12, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Down

Defense should still be the priority. With the upgrades to the secondary, I’m not completely sold that Malcolm Jenkins is the right choice, but if he can play safety as well as he can play corner, it might be worthwhile, because that has been a problem for some time and he would have a year to learn behind Darren Sharper. If not him, then we should definitely trade down, because we can still get good LB talent later in the first round, pick up a second round pick, pick another corner in the 2nd round, and pick up a big back later on.

by natde1016 on Apr 12, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Malcolm Jenkins or else trade down and get that Chung Kid

"The best hope for David to make the final roster is for the Saints to select players at other positions in the draft."- Jeff Duncan, T-Pic 4/8/09

by stujo4 on Apr 12, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jenkins is good value at 14 but otherwise trade down

Obviously we’d be looking at safeties and OLBs. But a nice power back like Rashad Jennings or Shonn Greene would be nice if not drafted too high. Even some help on the offensive line would be useful.

What can we get for the 14th pick?

by T-Money on Apr 12, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Depends who we trade with

It’s not out of the question to swap firsts with someone and pick up a second or a third. If we trade out of the first round completely we could pick up a boatload.

RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!

by MtnExile on Apr 12, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Line Backer

We need a pass rush to help our secondary. Our DE’s didn’t get it done last year. Add Cushing to the mix and G-Dub will have a good arsenal to show us what his defense can do.

by Big and Easy on Apr 12, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

trade down

how about this scenario…we trade our first pick to detroit for their 1st picks in the second and 3rd rounds (they’ll still have the cowboys slot in the middle of the 3rd). i’d go with defense all the way, maybe look for a diamond in the rough rb in the 4th. if they keep their 1st, maybe pick up DE/LB everett brown or one of the usc LB’s

by pb shane on Apr 12, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Wil-Mis-Pay just looooove the intrigue and uncertainty enveloping their 1st round pick options

I have said this before, and I’ll say it again. All this talk about a RB serves multiple purposes: possible smokescreen in order to keep everyone guessing and to convince others who may crave Beanie or Know-Show that we might take them so they may need to trade up to get either one, thereby improving our leverage or trade options. I really don’t think they care what the fans think about what they do with the pick – we’re just fans. They are the FOOTBALL PROFESSIONALS and they think they should not be influenced by the whims of a fickle mob that probably has been drinking.

I think the powers that be have all the players ranked by position, and then an overall list of top players regardless of position (just like when you prepare for your fantasy draft). They know exactly who they really want/need, and have already begun speaking with teams who may be interested in our pick, to discuss trade options. More things will happen on this front as the draft approaches, and as the draft progresses.

As the draft actually unfolds, they will put any number of scenarios into action, and we must simply admit that WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WIL-MIS-PAY WILL DO.

The Detroit Lions are on the clock!

by HansDat on Apr 12, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

um, at this point I'd say get Jenkins if he's there, or I don't know what if he's not

Trading down is cool to think about, and I’m not opposed to it, but we don’t just automatically get to do this if we don’t like anyone on the board at 14.

The Detroit Lions are on the clock!

by HansDat on Apr 12, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

boom rec'd it

important point to remember

"The best hope for David to make the final roster is for the Saints to select players at other positions in the draft."- Jeff Duncan, T-Pic 4/8/09

by stujo4 on Apr 12, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

secondary

Jenkins all the way. If he isn’t there, trade down if we can. My ideal trade down might actually have to involve 2 teams but we could trade down our 14th for someone’s 1st and late 2nd. trade the 1st for an early 2nd and middle/late 3rd. If we can do that, it gives us an early 2nd a late 2nd and middle 3rd. This would take someone wanting to do all the trading though. If we trade down I’d like to get a safety, say Chung and then go D. The only offensive position i would be ok seeing drafted is a good running-minded offensive lineman with decent pass protection. I think our line is focused alot on pass-blocking so it can hurt our run game. remember, people have to have a decent run-block O-line to be good. We’re more of a pass protection O-line. I’d be ok getting a rb in any pick after our 1st 4th rounder. I’d still like to get Jenkins with the 14 and if we could trade next year’s 2nd round pick for a 2nd round pick this year in the early/middle round we could get a top-rated safety in this year’s draft. Sharper could have Chung/Usama Young/ Jenkins under him to teach them the safety spot. that gives huge depth plus young/jenkins could also play corner. moreso jenkins but still it handles our secondary depth problems. and if harper struggles, we could put chung/young/jenkins into the fs spot and more sharper to ss. Gives us alot of depth at the secondary. Also for jenkins…the gamefilm is what i would like compared to combine times.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Apr 12, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade down

The saints probably won’t do it, but I’d rather more choices than early choices.

by xen-cuts on Apr 12, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

secondary

depth in the secondary would be fabulous even if we addressed those needs through free agency.

by centexsaint on Apr 12, 2009 10:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts on a few plan B picks and RBs

My trade down a little picks are as follows. If we go late 1st round the best players for the saints would probably be at OLB or C (Mack) Possibly Louis Delmas or Sean Smith but I’d rather get Johnson, Chung, or Moore later in the 2nd. No RB or DL this early.

The only running backs I would like to see the Saints pick are Shonn Greene or Josh Vaughan. Greene dominated the big ten yet his stock has slipped due to being slow and not much of a reciever. It’s possible he drops down far enough for Pay Loo to make a move. Or my personal favorite, Josh Vaughan. You gotta hear about this guy, he wasn’t invited to the combine but his pro day numbers speak for themselves. At 5-11 224, He performed respectably with a 37" vertical, 9’11 broad, a 4.6 40yd, 4.15 20yd shuttle, 7.1 3-cone and then he put up a RIDICULOUS 36 reps of 225 that’s more than almost every lineman(compare these to combine results) he should be able to push through on 3rd and 1. Now real stuff, he played back-up for the Cardinal’s Tim HIghtower in 2007 then led the Richmond Spiders to a 1-AA National Championship in 2008 with 1884 yds and 20 TDs. And he should be around later on so we wouldn’t even have to trade. These guys work for us as situational power backs and hopefully more. Does anyone else like Vaughan as a late round pick?

by T-Money on Apr 13, 2009 1:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Somehow i deleted my 1st round OLB choices which are Cushing, Matthews and Sintim

by T-Money on Apr 13, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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