Chip Vaughn: A Post-Draft Analysis
I have to admit: I didn't know anything about Chip Vaughn. I read up on Louis Delmas, on Patrick Chung, on William Moore and Rashad Johnson and even Derek Pegues—who wasn't even drafted. But Vaughn slipped right past me.
He didn't slip past Gregg Williams. I've found what I think is compelling evidence that Williams saw something in Vaughn that may have reminded him of the best football player he ever coached.
First of all: the Saints needed safety help. Everyone knew it, and that was part of the reason that so many projected Malcolm Jenkins to the Saints. But the Saints immediately announced that Jenkins was penciled in at the corner position—not at safety. So Jenkins wasn't the dynamic safety that everyone knew Williams coveted. But the Saints had already targeted one, even though they had to wait until the fourth round to pull the trigger.
When you haven't followed a player, and have to rely upon objective professionals to give you an analysis, you almost always seem to run into this problem: who to believe? So it is with Chip Vaughn.
NFLDraftScout.com had him rated the third-best safety prospect in the country, behind only Patrick Chung (love that Chung kid) and William Moore. According to them, Vaughn is an "aggressive defender that attacks in run support. Reliable open-field tackler. Heavy hitter that can separate the ballcarrier from the ball..." He's not as good, however, in pass coverage.
Sporting News, on the other hand, has him rated sixth. But not because he's poor in coverage: "Vaughn's failure to stand out in run support and his tendency to disappear from games are certainly big concerns. However, he consistently shows the athleticism and instincts to be effective in pass coverage, crucial for NFL safeties."
What the hell? Should we be doing scouting reports on the reporters, instead of the players?
ESPN comes at it from a different angle. They rate Vaughn's character, reporting that he's "A sociology and religion major. There have been no off-the-field incidents to our knowledge." What character rating does that give him? Average.
Okay, let's go for consensus here. NFL Draft Countdown reports "Terrific size and bulk...Superb tackler...Real tough and physical...Will deliver the big hit...Very active and aggressive...Good range...Does a fantastic job against the run...Smart and instinctive...Very productive." Okay, that tends to suggest that Sporting News wasn't paying attention. Scout.com says "Vaughn is a physically imposing defender who has a lot of upside. He has great size, speed and athleticism. He positions himself well and delivers jarring hits. He’s always around the ball and looks to create turnovers. He’s aggressive at the line of scrimmage against the run, but even though he’s quick, he struggles in coverage. He has to locate the ball quicker and improve his ball skills." That confirms it for me: whoever did the write-up for Sporting News doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. And that leaves us with this: Chip Vaughn was one of the best strong safeties in the draft, who is going to be a demon (no pun intended) in the box. But he's seemingly no better than Roman Harper in coverage.
Despite that: Sean Payton has said that Vaughn is penciled in as a free safety.
So how does Vaughn compare to other free safeties Gregg Williams has worked with? Well, at Tennessee he had All-Pro Marcus Robertson, and at Washington, of course, he had Sean Taylor. The first thing you notice in comparing them is that Vaughn is very close to Taylor: at 6-2 and 221 pounds, he is the same height and nine pounds lighter than Taylor's rookie measurements. With a 4.43 40 time, he's faster than Taylor's 4.51; and his 21 reps on the bench are ten better than Taylor's rather notorious 11. What's more, compare these two analyses:
NEGATIVES: Better facing the quarterback and slow to locate in man-to-man coverage. Lacks top hands for the interception and, as a result, defends more throws than he actually picks off.
Negatives: ...May lack the agility to mirror routes. Better facing the quarterback. Loses track of the ball and has only marginal hand-eye coordination for the interception.
The first of those quotes is from Sports Illustrated's 2004 assessment of Taylor; the second, from NFLDraftScout's recent assessment of Vaughn.
Plus, consider this: Vaughn played strong safety in college, where skill in pass defense wasn't as critical. Yet, Sean Payton announced almost immediately that he was penciled in as a free safety—Sean Taylor's position. That leads me to believe that Gregg Williams was the driving force behind this pick...and that he thinks he sees something there very similar to his former star. This is not to suggest that Vaughn is on the brink of becoming a superstar in the NFL; only that Williams may have found just the r ight person to fill the role of safety as it's envisioned in his system. If that's true, we could be in for exciting times.
If it's not...then I'm just not being objective.
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Cool analysis
Hope this guy turns out like Taylor!
by xen-cuts on Apr 27, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m happy with our picks. i’m with everyone else on the questionable punter selection, but i think our picks were solid.
by nanvinnie on Apr 27, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only difference between Chip Vaughn and Sean Taylor is..
Taylor was the 5th pick overall in the 2004 draft and Chip Vaughn was drafted 116th in the 2009 draft…
Let’s be realistic guys, as good as Vaughn might be, he won’t be Sean Taylor..
But it’s a nice analysis Mtn
by AKAY47 on Apr 27, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and colsten was int the 7th round....
and PT was undrafted
and… Sullivan was 1st round.
When did draft position actually equate skill level?
MT
by MT_always on Apr 27, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I understand that draft position doesn't equal skill set..
If Chip Vaughn becomes the next Sean Taylor, I will come back here and apologize..
Off topic, but Chris Perry was just released by the Bengals.. Do we go after him?
by AKAY47 on Apr 27, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's so bad
he only has like 600 yards in 5 seasons. resign deuce.
by jful on Apr 27, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's so bad even his spare tires got no tread left on 'em
Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.
by HansDat on Apr 27, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's so bad he makes KiJana Carter look like Marcus Allen
Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.
by HansDat on Apr 27, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL that was good hans…
Seriously, about two games into last season nearly every Bengals fan was actually hoping Perry would suffer another injury so the coaches would have to bench him. He was that horrible. Granted their center also sucked and their FB was a tweener who also sucked and their RT was pretty awful as well and their LT was either already playing hurt or about to be… but that isn’t apparent until you really dig in on the analysis.
With an average run blocking line and a FB who’s more of a jack-of-all-trades than a pure power FB, we don’t want Perry even if every single one of his other problems disappears the second he makes it to town.
by FriarBob on Apr 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
buzzed it up AND rec'd it
Good job, M-E. That was fun yet educational.
Restore the wetlands!
by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You definately got me anxious
to see how this guy compares to Sean Taylor.
Rog Smoove
by YESSaints on Apr 27, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone please bear in mind
I am not saying he’s the next Sean Taylor…just as Sean Taylor wasn’t the next Marcus Robertson. Taylor was a unique talent; but both Taylor and Robertson functioned very well in Williams’ defense. I think there is enough evidence to suggest that Vaughn is seen as a Sean Taylor-type. If he’s not as good as Taylor, but as good as Robertson in the new defensive system, we’ve still got an All-Pro on our hands.
Bah!
by MtnExile on Apr 27, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm pickin up what you're layin down
and I like it. This means, even if Vaughn isn’t a superstar, he’s got all the physical characteristics and skills to work in a GWillie-defense. And we don’t need a superstar-studded defense; to have made the playoffs last year we just needed to be average, and we couldn’t. I’m not expecting a talent like Sean Taylor—I’m just expecting better than Josh Bullocks.
This really makes me feel like that’s going to happen.
by jful on Apr 27, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on the Gwillie Train....
Who’s with us???…..
looking forward to 2010
by asaint on Apr 27, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a hand up man and clear some elbow room I’m comin aboard…
by FriarBob on Apr 27, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GWillie Train - as a philosophy or as a nickname?
Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.
by HansDat on Apr 27, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA! Disclaimer! TOO LATE!!!
Expectations have been raised.
Restore the wetlands!
by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because
you’re not being objective.
Bah!
by MtnExile on Apr 27, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent analysis.
Great post, M-E. That was an awesome catch, comparing their scouting reports.
"They held somebody, but they sure didn't hold LaRon Landry."
by Walter FTW on Apr 27, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Harper could be gone
I think G. Williams didn’t like what he saw on tape. He was horrible in coverage, and we’ve signed or drafted how many saftey’s now?
WHO DAT
by pukenbowl on Apr 27, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They're not getting rid of Harper
At least, not this year. I think it was the Gary Gibbs system that made Harper look bad last season. I expect Williams will show him the way.
Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.
by satchmo26 on Apr 27, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chip Vaughn
is going to be #37
Rog Smoove
by YESSaints on Apr 27, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that Rodney Harrison's number?
Bah!
by MtnExile on Apr 27, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
used to be Tommy Myers' number, too - remember him?
Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.
by HansDat on Apr 27, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could I forget that?
I’m older than any of you!
Myers was the first defensive hero we had. I wouldn’t mind at all having another Tommy Myers.
Bah!
by MtnExile on Apr 27, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I was talking to the younger dudes...
Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.
by HansDat on Apr 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mister M-E, sir....
Can you tell us about the olden days? Start with Archie Manning.
Restore the wetlands!
by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Alzheimer’s has already kicked in, kids. Time for bed.
Restore the wetlands!
by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i find it ironic that...
the new orleans saints started off their first game in the superdome w/ a kick return for a TD and that when Katriana was over and we played our first game back in the superdome, our first “big play”/ the first drive/ first series resulted in a special teams play that scored a TD. I saw that as a sign that year
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Apr 27, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes, it was a sign, all right
why I remember like it was yesterday, when John Gilliam blocked that kick. No, no wait, it was…Steve…Steve Gilliam, that’s right, and he blocked that kick and Danny Abramowicz recovered in the end zone and we whipped those 49ers! Those were the days…but of course you youngsters don’t know anything about REAL men playing REAL football, you think its all this Drew Bees or whatever his name is, throwing every single play, why let me tell you we used to be run the ball with Andy Livingston and Tony…Tony…what was his name? Landrieu, that was it, and Victor Schiro, and Bob and Jan Carr! That was a pair. And Chris Owens, THAT was a pair, yes indeed, a pair…a pair…where are my slippers? Stuart? Is that you?
here drink some of this kool-aid don't worry it won't hurt you...
by MtnExile on Apr 27, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s just knock him in the head and get it over with.
Restore the wetlands!
by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every once in a while, the old guys can offer the young guys the real “Facts of Saints Life”. The absolute mania of today’s Saints finds its roots from the Saints of old. A time when facemasks were a requirement, the players were encouraged to be on Bourbon Street the night before the game and fast players were the exception.
The Supedome was both magical and magnificent when it first opened, but the core love that today’s generations have for the Saints began with their parents and grand-parents during the first 10 years of the Saints history. It was at Tulane Stadium (capacity 86,000) which hosted the famous kick-off return (by John Gilliam) in 1967.
For those that have yet to see it, the link below offers a bit of Saints early history!!
http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2009/3/4/780124/lets-have-a-lil-fun-in-the
by Dempsey63 on Apr 28, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive Hero Before Tommy Myers
Before the wonderful 10-yr career of the great Tommy Myers (1 Pro Bowl) was the 1st Saints Defensive Hero, Davey Whitsell (wore #23).
Davey played 3 seasons with the Saints (12-yr career total). During his 3-year stint (42 games) with the Saints, he had 19 interceptions with 2 TD’s, made his only Pro Bowl and was a master at safety Blitz sacks. He was the man that offenses worked to avoid.
All the kids playing on the playground pretended to be Davey. Davey Whitsell, Danny Abramowicz and Billy Kilmer were the identity of the Saints
Loved Tommy Myers too. Played his entire 10 seasons with the Saints. During that career, he had 36 picks and 4 TD’s. None were better at reading the QB’s eyes!
Both players did the deed with “No Fear”!! Just thought it important to go back in time to the “first” Saints defensive hero before Tommy Myers.
by Dempsey63 on Apr 28, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that, Dempsey65
I like to hear about the names and notables from the teams prior to my Saints consciousness (1979 – currrent).
We all need to work together to give the respect that is due to all eras of fans, players, and teams.
Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.
by HansDat on Apr 28, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was too busy playing Danny Abramowicz
to really take notice of Dave Whitsell…but yes, Dempsey63 is right: he was a real standout in the early days…oh, before you were born.
I wonder if Myers is still in any way active as a Saints alumnus. It would be cool beyond belief to have him present the #37 jersey to Vaughn.
here drink some of this kool-aid don't worry it won't hurt you...
by MtnExile on Apr 28, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And excuse me for adding 2 to your screenname, Dempsey 63, when I referenced you above
In my playground/backyard football days, we’d fight over who’d get to be Archie, Wes, or Chuck.
Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.
by HansDat on Apr 28, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd it.
superbowl here we come. nice post ME
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Apr 27, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
i’ve been way behind in keeping up with all these great posts. so im playing catch-up (like jason david in coverage)…love the analysis mtn. i know this is JUST a blog, and none of us are REAL journalists, but there is something to be said when you have multiple sources and actually put some thought into your reporting.
BRAVO
by NYSaint on May 6, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs























