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Grading the Saints 2009 Draft

I understand that it's way too early to be grading this years draft. Having never played a single down in the NFL there is absolutely nothing performance-wise to grade these players on. In fact, it probably takes about five years to adequately judge any draft class. But I do know what areas the Saints need to improve and I do have opinions on whether or not they've attempted to do so. Consider these grades more of a gauge on how well the Saints have done to address their greatest needs. 

 

Malcolm Jenkins - Cornerback - Ohio State

A+

Most of us saw this coming. We've been talking about Jenkins for the last month and it should be no surprise that the Saints grabbed him up when it was their turn to select. I applaud the team for making the right move and the obvious choice. Jenkins has been highly touted and there is already talk about him being an instant upgrade for this defense. Whether he winds up playing corner or safety the Saints officially have some depth now in their secondary. Way to go Payton and company. 

 

Chip Vaughn - Safety - Wake Forest

B+

I'll be honest with you, I had never even heard of this guy until yesterday. I think it's safe to say Vaughn wasn't on any of our pre-draft radars. But the pick certainly addresses the Saints needs in the secondary and adds even more depth where there once was none. Vaughn should also be able to contribute on special teams and we know how much Payton loves guys like that. Don't expect Chip to be an instant starter but with some mentoring from free agent acquisition and veteran safety Darren Sharper, he has the possibility of being a great pickup for the Saints. 

 

Stanley Arnoux - Linebacker - Wake Forest

B

Arnoux is the second Wake Forest player taken by the Saints in this years draft and he's also the second player I had never really heard of. Though he's listed as an inside linebacker, the position currently held by Jonathan Vilma, the Saints will move him to the outside and have him compete there. Like Vaughn, his special teams contributions might be the difference maker. Regardless of how the selection of Arnoux actually plays out, I applaud the Saints for using this pick on a position of need. 

 

Thomas Morstead - Punter - Southern Methodist University

C-

Initially this pick had me, and many other Saints fans, all hot and bothered. Up until selecting Morstead the Saints were doing a great job of choosing players that addressed their needs. But after taking a deep breath and drinking a couple of 190 Octanes I now have a better understanding of the reasoning behind this selection. Often an overlooked position, Punters play an important role in the field position game and the Saints haven't had anything too great in the punting department for quite a while. Still, drafting a specialist could blow up in the Saints face...again. The question from here on out will be, "Was he worth it?" They gave up their 2010 fifth round pick as well as this years seventh round pick just to land this guy. There were also players left on the draft board with higher grades than Morestead. The pressure is on. I'm not sure about this one but I am feeling generous so I went with a grade of C. Glenn Pakulak...your days may be numbered. 


 

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What grade would you give the Saints 2009 draft class?
A
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B
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C
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D
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F
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A after round 1
B after i had to leave
C when I got home again

PUNTER?

MT

by MT_always on Apr 27, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BAH!!

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey that's symmetrical

or something

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This could go on

forever…

Hey that's symmetrical

by MtnExile on Apr 27, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BAH!

your both needing a beer.

MT

by MT_always on Apr 27, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This punter better be just as good as Shane Lechler..

Not only are Glenn Pakulak’s days numbered, but so are Jason David’s. We have so many defensive backs at the moment, and even more corner backs. Tracy Porter, Malcolm Jenkins, Randall Gay, Jabari Greer, Leigh Torrence, Usama Young (who will most likely become a safey), Jason David.. There’s just no room for him.

We should also look into signing Leroy Hill, it’s really a perfect fit

by AKAY47 on Apr 27, 2009 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

420 Leroy

He’s not a Saint.

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we are going to need a punter...

for all of the 3rd and 2’s we can not convert.

 i believe we will lose a few games again this year because we will not be able to get the 4th quarter short yardage first downs needed to close the deal on a victory that is in reach. i would have liked to seen them select Wells. at least he is a threat to convert the short yardage. payton and gang missed the boat last year in round two by passing on hometown talent matt forte and this year…. well lets hope i am wrong.

love the saints since birth in 1971 and have suffered the toughest of years. honestly i am silly happy that they can compete. and am glad there is a forum like this for discussion. hats off to the Canal Street Chronicles

-fissweed

by FISSweed on Apr 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else think we should have traded down about 10 spots in the first round?

We could have picked up a couple of more picks in this years draft.

by LSU Jonno on Apr 27, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Malcolm Jenkins Kool-Aid drinker

Since Jenkins was there at 14, I’m glad they got him. If he had not been there, then a trade down would have been preferable. Payton said they weren’t getting many trade-down offers anyway. Jenkins fills the teams biggest need and he’s widely touted as the best DB in the draft. We were lucky to get him.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Apr 27, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lucky dogs

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pass the kool-aid

i’ve been all for this guy since the beginning. even with greer. new system might not work out for him so well. gwill is a unique defense as far as i know

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Apr 27, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmmm punter

Honestly, i dont mind the pick to get the punter. How often do 7th round picks work out anyway? Pakulak could boot a punt really far, but if i remember right the hang time wasnt there. I remember a few times he’d boot it down field, but it wouldnt hang long enough so our coverage wasnt anywhere close to the returner. What ive watched on the highlight video (woo punter highlights, massive excitement) his kicks are all around 5 seconds hang time. I say if this guy can do anything to improve our field position this upcoming season, it was worth the pick. Im sure once he pins a few behind the 20 we’ll all calm down about drafting a punter.

Then of course he could always just fail and we can continue with the WTF A PUNTER??!?!?!?!?1?

by fruly on Apr 27, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Both Colston and Arrington were 7th rounders

Admittedly, Arrington hasn’t proved himself yet…but everyone who saw him last pre-season is salivating, waiting to see what he can do in a real game.

Besides which…I bet Morstead would have still been there in the seventh. And if not, there will be plenty of free-agent punters. There was no reason to give up two draft choices.

Bah!

by MtnExile on Apr 27, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree..

I want Leroy Hill.. He’s actually perfect. Only 26 years old, fills our need at OLB.. We’ll probably have to cut Brian Young and Jason David, but let’s do it either way!

by AKAY47 on Apr 27, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

420 Louie, Leroy

He can’t pass the pee test, and he can’t pass the PayLoo test. I like Mike Vick but he ain’t playing here either.

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus

we’ve got arnoux and casillas at OLB to back up dan morgan. i think our linebacking corps is pretty set right now (not as sweet as our CB depth!!!!)

by jful on Apr 27, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well yea

but colston is an oddity. Normally they dont do as well as he has. We can’t really say what he’s worth right now. If this guy turns out to be our punter for the next 5 or so years, he’ll be worth the two picks we used to get him. If he gets cut mid season then yea total waste. We’ll have to wait and see. They must’ve really liked this guy so let’s hope they were right.

Think of it more as a defensive pick than just a silly punter lol

by fruly on Apr 27, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only think i hate...

is that we gave up a 5th rounder last year. i’d be ok w/ a 6th rounder maybe. maybe. still, he could do well. he’s being praised as having some hangtime and being able to outkick his coverage. i’d feel great knowing we’d punt at our 20 and pin them on their 30 or something like that.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Apr 27, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Job

I read where Payton tried to work a deal with New England to try and get Chris Wells for the second pick to no avail would have been nice to have our cake and eat it too.

by Lyle Lirette on Apr 27, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

be glad

My charming posts would have been no more as they would have had to ban me for abusing the english language.

Cause.. we dont need no RB.

MT

by MT_always on Apr 27, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all dodged a huge bullet, especially you younger posters out there. Uncle MT has a nasty streak that no one wants to see.

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right...they don't

but I sure do

looking forward to 2010

by asaint on Apr 28, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

you dont want to see me all riled up.

The kid that lives down the hall from me still turns and runs when he sees me.

MT

by MT_always on Apr 28, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great draft

 Punter or not, we did great this draft—there’s no way of knowing if ANY of these guys will be successful in the NFL, but we approached the draft with the right mindset and attitude, and that’s what’s really refreshing. Also got some great undrafted guys—like Jonathan Casillas—and I like that I actually knew who these guys were (several were on our list of draft targets that I compiled). I’m very excited about our D next season—could you believe that???

by jful on Apr 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You hit on Arnoux, good job

That was probably the first time I’d seen his name mentioned.

I think William Moore at safety for the Falcons will be fun to watch. As in, fun watching the Saints toast him and force his reassignment to linebacker after week 8. (sorry, DTF)

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

horrible, horrible draft

Jenkins better be decent because the rest of this draft was garbage. 1 player who doesn’t have a true position, 3 players no one has ever heard of, and one of them is a punter. What a mess.

by xen-cuts on Apr 27, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you haven't heard of them

But Vaughn was actually well-regarded, and projected at pretty much where we got him. Plus, jful called Arnoux…so somebody here was on top of it. Besides, I remember distinctly last year being surprised when, out of all the available corners, we went with Tracy Porter. Look how that worked out.

I think our draft worked out to a good, solid B…falling short of A only because we had so few choices. If Morstead actually turns out to be the second coming of Shane Lechler, I’d grade it an A. (Don’t forget…three picks are already on the field in the form of Jonathan VIlma and Jeremy Shockey. While the Shockey trade is still questionable, there’s not a single player in this draft I’d rather have than Vilma.)

Bah!

by MtnExile on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you forgot Vilma and Shockey

They count.

Love you, X. I don’t always agree with you, but for some reason you shake my convictions and make me reassess. You’ve been on here almost a year too. Thanks for the balance.

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chip Vaughn

Chip Vaughn will start by week 4 and will spell Sharper from the beginning. The kid is big, strong and fast with excellent football knowledge. With the aggressive D we will play under GW, I fully expect Chip Vaughn too challenge Jenkins for the most impact as rookie on the Saints roster….

I’ve gotta say I never thought Vaughn would be available to us in the 4th, and Im glad we got him.

"For us, there is no spring... only the smell of fresh wind before the storm."
-Conan of Cimeria

by tlsk1066 on Apr 27, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

does he play...

with a Chip on his shoulder?

Sorry .. couldnt resist any longer

MT

by MT_always on Apr 27, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be better than with a Clarence on his shoulder.

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having Clarence on your side works out for some

“Look daddy…every time a bell rings, the Saints get an interception.”

here drink some of this kool-aid don't worry it won't hurt you...

by MtnExile on Apr 28, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Harper should watch out....not sharper

regardless of what they are saying now. Did you see how well he tackles?

looking forward to 2010

by asaint on Apr 28, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chill

I’m not a fan of the punter pick either, but I don’t think it was that big of a reach. I would rather not have given up the 7, but the fact that they traded next years 5, not next years 4 makes all the difference to me.

I honestly had never heard of any of these players except for jenkins (or at least I couldn’t remember hearing of them) but to be fair, I hadn’t heard of Colston or Jahri Evans either. Only having 4 picks hurts, because chances are at least 1 or 2 of these guys won’t stick, but we’ll see.

by SaintBevo on Apr 27, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you guys think of Edgerrin James?

I hear if he gets released, that we were to go after him.. Any thoughts?

by AKAY47 on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe

we could use a veteran like that or…..

RESIGN DEUCE!!!!!!

by jful on Apr 27, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edge

I like his grill.

Too old, not big enough, negative nellie, wants too much money and too many carries.

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 27, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chip Vaughn or Rick Vaughn?

I finally figured out who the name Chip Vaughn reminds me of.

Rick “Wild Thing” Vaughn from the movie Major League. Awesome movie and I hope our new Vaughn quickly develops into the same kind of bad-ass player. Only, our Vaughn will be looking to take WRs heads off not with a fast ball but with his body.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Apr 27, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

beat me to it, Satch - good catch!!

Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.

by HansDat on Apr 27, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

imminently quotable movie

one of my all-time favorites

Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.

by HansDat on Apr 27, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhoh… now I’m going to have to go watch that one again…

by FriarBob on Apr 27, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I recommend watching it numerous times, over four years, with a bunch of friends, maybe while blowing off studying for finals

If not, it may not have the same luster for you as it did for me in college…

Malcolm Jenkins is gonna make Dave Waymer look like Lito Sheppard.

by HansDat on Apr 27, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said a C because I don't know

These early draft grades are never correct

We rarely know much about them until they play on the field

by AppleCub on Apr 27, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i said A

i gave it an A b/c we didn’t…
1. draft offense
2. went w/ jenkins in the first round instead of trading down.
3. we found ppl that could fit into our new system
4. filled positions of need

I will be willing to go back at the end of the season and reasses. Untill then, no one knows what these kids will do BUT we drafted the type of players and the positions that we needed. Who knows, maybe if we had traded up to get Chung or another safety like Moore or Delmas they could bust. You just don’t know for sure. You get “feelings” and like the style and physical characteristics that ppl play with but don’t know what the nfl will hold for them.

Side note… Bush did great in 06. was hurt 07 for most of it. 08 started off strong, leading all players with the most TDs and even after the first week he missed, I believe he was still #1 in all-purpose TDs. So everyone that won’t drink the kool-aid and join the cult…he’s ready for a breakout season. Not everyone can be an Adrian Peterson and consistently put up crazy numbers since his rookie season. Also, we have more of a pass-block O line not a run-block O line. DRINK THE KOOLAID…and you can pass out on the floor like the rest of us.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Apr 27, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pro Football Weekly liked the Saints' draft
Saints GM Mickey Loomis and head coach Sean Payton landed one of the safest picks in the draft in CB Malcolm Jenkins, filling a big need in their secondary. They did not have second- or third-round picks after trading last offseason for TE Jeremy Shockey and LB Jonathan Vilma, but these two veterans and Jenkins easily fill the expectation of landing three starters from the draft, despite Shockey’s struggles last season. Two Wake Forest back-seven defenders — FS Chip Vaughn and LB Stanley Arnoux — should upgrade the special teams. And P Thomas Morstead has starter potential. Overall, despite having only four picks, what the Saints were able to reap from this draft was strong and vastly improves their defense and special teams.
Grade: Outstanding

Restore the wetlands!

by stujo4 on Apr 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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