An Obvious (Or What Should Be) Offensive Plan
As a follow-up to my first article (Re: The Saints…One Step from Greatness), here comes the (possibly or possibly not) anticipated encore.
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Sean Payton’s game plan, as far as offense is concerned, should be a no-brainer, simple to figure out. With the artillery and weapons that he has at his disposal, his offensive execution strategy should be like what George H. W. Bush did to the opposition in Desert Storm, which is to annihilate them.
Regular Downs: On first and second down situations, say that you start at a normal 10 yard situation. Don’t follow conventional wisdom and run the ball as pundits say. The Saints’ offense isn’t meant for that. Throw the ball on first down. Possibly screen the ball or try for the deep bomb. As far as second downs go, run the ball on these situations to keep the defense honest and to test out the ground game. If it is working, there is less pressure on Drew Brees. However, by running the ball on first down in the first quarter, defenses generally blitz on first down and that could be dangerous, especially with a bruiser-back. By the Half, Sean Payton would have seen how the defense is strategizing, and this would either open or close a few options.
Third and Short or Fourth and Short: This depends, sort of. The defense is obviously going to bring a blitz. If they don’t, then the quarterback is open to run the middle. I considered "short" to be a variety of situations. If it’s is at least a yard, then play action or just screen. If it is less, then use Heath Evans or Pierre Thomas to take it in. This strategy, I noted, worked admirably last year. However, Sean Payton cannot keep deluding himself that Reggie Bush is a pound-it-in type of runner. Bush is not the ideal fit for those situations. And the Bush-run-it-in thing didn’t work out so well last year…
Trick Plays: This concerned me last year. In the Vikings game, Sean Payton tried an onside kick in the first quarter, and, well, it kind of misfired. Let’s not go into details. Play actions are cool, after the first quarter. And in order to do this, you have to pull out a few nice runs in the first quarter. Plain to see. Flea Flickers actually might be pretty cool to see, but not before the half. I say that Brees should either let Moore or Henderson throw. I say Henderson because he is a speed threat. The defense would be drawn instantaneously down towards the line (with the right timing) allowing a tight end to get open or Reggie Bush. Devery Henderson should be involved in more double reverses along with Reggie Bush.
Basically, I say shoot the defense with throws and use the run as a balance option. If you pass thirty times, then I say, run 10-15 times. Use tricks in mediation. Reggie Bush needs to get a lot more involved in special effects. Devery Henderson can be a double threat, in either running or receiving. Heath Evans has arrives, which indicates that Payton is trying to get a lot more grounded on short yardage situations. Again, this is my view on things.
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All right, Guys. Comments are appreciated.
So please, I appreciate all comments. Hearing what other users say helps me out a lot.
Take the best and make it better. If it doesn't exist design it.
by ShadowFlash on Apr 6, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
first of all, nice pic again
Have to have new, unpredictable, unseen plays. Or else it’s 2007 again. I want to see Dan Campbell line up in the backfield. And if Reggie can throw at all (accuracy, not distance) I want to see him do it. That would be awesome, especially down at the goal line. Touchdown pass to Billy Miller.
GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."
by stujo4 on Apr 6, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reggie threw once against Baltimore in the red zone in 2006 - early in the game, he forced the throw and it was picked off in the end zone and we lost by double digits
I’ve yet to see him attempt a pass since then…
The Detroit Lions are on the clock!
by HansDat on Apr 7, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the effort
Devery Henderson should be involved in more double reverses along with Reggie Bush.
but you totally, lost me right there….let’s take it back to that unforgettable Buccaneers game 2 years ago. Try dishing out good money for “Saintsational-Dave-type-seats” only to watch the Saints, with the game in hand, lose it on a
double reverse. I’d love my Saints to play a more traditional game. If you can beat a team with sheer FOOTBALL, you can KILL them with a trick play every once in a while. However if we base our offense on trying to fool the opponent, then we’ll get 8-8, hence last year.
Rog Smoove
by YESSaints on Apr 6, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is fooled by those onside kicks any more.
GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."
by stujo4 on Apr 6, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir...
You are right. But I was simply reffereing to the lack of Devery Henderson running at the end of a dobl reverse, not the usage of the dbl reverse itself.
Take the best and make it better. If it doesn't exist design it.
by ShadowFlash on Apr 7, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched
the Saints v. Vikings game that aired on NFL Network. and do you know what the first play of the game was…a [double reverse] to D Hen, I lie, it was a single reverse but what’s the difference, it’s the same thing and it worked. All that to say is that I know it’s a part of the playbook, but i don’t want to see it more than 2 or 3 times a year, because then we become known as a finesse team, in which we are in a sense, but as I’ll say again look where that got us. We need to add a better
ground and pound elementto our game so that we can wear defenses down. I wouldn’t be surprised if after playing the Saints, the opposing team’s D-Line would be able to play another game right after because we never wear them down.
Rog Smoove
by YESSaints on Apr 7, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It barely worked
It was a little iffy there for a sec but the blocking held up and Devery threaded his way through the wreckage for a 7 yard gain. And as I recall, the game day thread here erupted with a mostly negative response.
Ground and pound? So you want Beenie? Or Knowshon? Say Knowshon and make it a party of 3.
GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."
by stujo4 on Apr 7, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To tell you the truth
I am a big fan of PT, i don’t need any additions. What makes him not a “feature-every down-full workload-back”? Why does Reggie get the chance? I say we draft a RB late, hope he can contributsbut give the rock to PT A WHOLE LOT more than we did last year. And you’re right about the reverse barely working, I’m 100% with you there. I was just trying to give Shadow a few facts to support my case in our discussion.
Rog Smoove
by YESSaints on Apr 7, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ground and pound - sounds like SUPPER who's hungry?
The Detroit Lions are on the clock!
by HansDat on Apr 7, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
know when to use it
don’t try it when we have the lead and i’ll be ok with it. that’s when it’s straight traditional football. unless it was like 3rd and 20 or something. then everyone is looking for brees to air it out.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Apr 7, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obvious Game Plan??
I don’t think double reverses are significant parts of a game plan. They are plays that you throw in and are in your repetoire if you see an opportunity. Having tight ends find a seam in a zone defense is part of a game plan. Throwing often to a RB who is mismatched with a slower LB is part of a game plan. And, Devery Henderson throwing the ball… as part of a game plan?? There is a reason whenever you see a non- QB throw the ball that it is either 1) a long poass, or 2) a situation inside the 10 yard line where you can just throw it out of the end zone. It is because it is so very difficult to complete a pas if you are not a QB. I appreciate your input as a Saints fan, but I think some of your stuff is way off base. And although I agree with some of your info, I think you have to realize that passing the ball on first down can be a good thing, but used too much can backfire as defenses love 2nd and 10 and 3rd and 8. Offenses try to avoid that. And if we only run the ball 10-15 times per game- well, not to many Super Bowl winning teams have that credential in their resume. That was part of our problem last year- we didn’t protect leads with a strong ground game, kept the defense out their too often for too long, etc. Most teams who de- emphasize the run to air it out and get a lead and then try to control the ball with a running game late in the game to protect a lead are miserable failures at that strategy. For whatever reason, offenses seem to struggle at that most of the time. Hope this doesn’t come off as harsh.. just wanted to give you my take.
by Philinwood on Apr 7, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
Thank you for that. I am actually a very young (lower teens) fan, and I want to know what others think. I am very open to that. After all, that’s what this is all about right?
Take the best and make it better. If it doesn't exist design it.
by ShadowFlash on Apr 7, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to have a run game
Have to have a resectable run game or you’ll be out of luck. Our main M.O. is pass which is cool but without the ground and pound element well your just to predictale in certain down situations. If there is a threat up the middle with big meat then I believe the end around and reverses stand a chance. Big man up the middle is what I believe this team is missing.
by Lyle Lirette on Apr 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Knowshon, or Beenie? Or that Donald guy?
GW: "Sean, I can’t do anything with this guy."
by stujo4 on Apr 7, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trick plays...
do them early or with a big lead where a mistake can’t kill the game for you.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Apr 7, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
balance
i think in general our offense needs more balance to cause the defense to be unbalanced. EVERYONE knows we’re a passing threat, but having balance in the run game will keep the defenses guessing. when a defense is on its toes, we’re going to have a much harder time creating space for our recievers and time for our qb. i don’t mind the occasionally trick play, but i think if we got creative with the run game (ie…create a run threat) i think that even with a poor defense we’d annihilate any team out there.
on a few occasions, our offense sustained very long scoring drives and that’s exactly what our defense needs… time off the field.
by nanvinnie on Apr 8, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely!!!
BALANCE is HUGE!! And, I love you point about an offense susatining very long drives. I think that, in spite of my love for this Saints offense and the obvious knowledge that it is very potent and explosive, there are times when the offense does put some added stress on the defense because the offense tends to score quickly and/or go 3 and out or 5 and out (again- quickly) and our defense gets worn down playing so much and their defense doesn’t get worn down enough. I am very optimistic that this year there will be better BALANCE and an UPGRADED defense and it will be a much better situation.
by Philinwood on Apr 8, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Steal the Eagles playbook
We should read Andy Reid’s playbook and copy it. If not the plays exactly, than at least the format. He puts the ball in the air 2/3 of the time. But a third of those passes are to his HB. That gets the ball to the HB on half of the downs which creates balance, albeit in a non-traditional sense. Bush is a similar player to Westbrook, so this should translate well.
Brees has an amazingly fast release and great decision making, so we are in good hands when he has to make passes. 1/3 of the pass attempts are to the RB, 1/3 are for short yardage(5-15)yds and the final 1/3 seem to be for big gains. I think this should be our blueprint.
We need to throw away any notes Hasslett left around advocating trick plays, and on-side kicks at random times. Those are plays for the desperate; We are too good of a team to have to resort to that game in and game out. If we’re doing poorly try it, hell try anything. but they shouldn’t be considered standard.
by saintsdevotee on Apr 9, 2009 7:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
definitely
the short pass/extended run plays to reggie are money! brees’ decision making ability and quick release along with reggie’s ability is a perfect duo for that format. a legitimate run threat between the tackles will only open things up more for the saints. and then….BAM deep threat!
by nanvinnie on Apr 9, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you guys not know
that Drew Brees led the league in passes of over 20 yards? And passes of over 40 yards? I don’t think our system is broken one bit…except for short yardage rushing. Fix that, and what was great will be phenomenally great.
Who needs Andy Reid?
RE-SIGN LANCE MOORE!
by MtnExile on Apr 9, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not me. He’s a terrible father and has a poor diet.
"The best hope for David to make the final roster is for the Saints to select players at other positions in the draft."- Jeff Duncan, T-Pic 4/8/09
by stujo4 on Apr 9, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Screens, Better Run game
The Screen pass is always a positive ydg. play, our problem is we don’t throw enough of them, or when we do it’s a TE screen, to Miller or Shockey, but it takes more time to develop and usually the area is not cleared out for a big gain,meaning the TE is obiviously a slower player, and when the scr. goes to Reggie he’ll look upfield before securing the ball(BAD i.e. v.s. Houston 07=dropped pass) (Good i.e. v.s. Dallas 06=TD)Like to see PT w/more scr. passes and Evans(upgrade from Karney) w/a big block to spring him……
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Apr 11, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah, and Bush has been jacked up a few times on poorly-executed screen passes (see playoff game vs. Philly)
So I always hold my breath on those plays…
The Detroit Lions are on the clock!
by HansDat on Apr 11, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That hit
Is one of my favorites ever. Sheldon Brown is exactly the kind of corner that the Saints need, and yes the Eagles are my #1 team so I get to see a lot of that. Anyone up for trading a 3rd and 6th round pick straight up for Brown?
by blueverinefan on Apr 14, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, several issues here, starting with F the Eagles
Blue, be sure to check out the Eagles’ blog Bleeding Green Nation. I can’t tell you any more about it because I never go there.
We all know the hit, several of us witnessed it. My wife freaked out and thought the game was over without Reggie. I said that I think he just got the wind knocked out of him, and sure enough, he came back in the next play. Nothing special about the hit. Brown was smart enough to see the play develop and made contact while Reggie’s eyes were coming off the ball, as they should have been. Nothing special about Brown, either, in my mind. If he’d followed through and drove his shoulder into Reggie’s chest as hit hit the turf, now that would have been something. (Of course, if Roman Harper had done the same thing to Brian Westbrook, I’d probably be using it as my avatar, so…)
I’ll never forget, I’m walking down Decatur Street the day after that game, and some little punk in an Eagles T-shirt is sitting on the sidewalk with his back up against the building watching people go by. He sees my Saints shirt and goes “The Saints SUCK.” So I turn chalk white and start shaking but just keep walking. What kind of loser travels to an away game to see his team get beat in a playoff game and then hangs around baiting the local fans? Answer: An Eagles fan.
"The best hope for David to make the final roster is for the Saints to select players at other positions in the draft."- Jeff Duncan, T-Pic 4/8/09
by stujo4 on Apr 14, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bears fan?
oh wait you answered already
MT
by MT_always on Apr 14, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its nothing
they Boo Santa, stuj, I know your not surprised……..
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Apr 14, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well First
I like the Saints as probably my second favorite team, second I am not from Philadelphia so I never got into the show off buisiness and third I spent time in LA late last year for college and thats really when I started to like the Saints again, during the playoff run of a few years ago for the Saints I was actually wanting them to go to the Super Bowl because it was the first time they had been to the playoffs in a while. As far as Reggie Brown goes he is one of the most reliable corners as far as tackling is concerned and is smart in coverage, The only teams I out and out hate are the Cowboys and the Patriots but I will even give them props when due. So don’t judge me based on what some other idiot does.
by blueverinefan on Apr 16, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something In common
My second favorite team is “Whoevers” playing the Cowboys…..
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Apr 17, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew floated
that screen, u could see it coming, they were blitzing, Drew should have zipped it to him, or into the ground…
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Apr 14, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boom rec'd it
"The best hope for David to make the final roster is for the Saints to select players at other positions in the draft."- Jeff Duncan, T-Pic 4/8/09
by stujo4 on Apr 11, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trust Me The Eagles Fans Are The Worst....
I can’t root for the Eagles because of the situation with the fans and the atmosphere of the stadium etc. even though I live only an hour away and they are on every Sunday. Eagles fans tend to think that they should abuse anyone that comes to the Philadelphia Stadium (the Linc) who don’t root for the Eagles, and if they can get away with it, abuse fans when they travel to road games. If I had a 12 year old son (I don’t) and took him to a game and he had a Vikings hat on or a Chiefs hat- they would throw beer on him and cuss at him- even if they were playing the Giants or Cowboys. Additionally, they boo their players on a regular basis, any player who has a bad 1/2 they want traded, they are very fickle. They have been calling for Andy Reid to be fired and Mc Nabb to be traded for years, especially mid season last year. They constantly call for the backup QB (Kevin Kolb) to replace Mc Nabb (which was a big part of why Mc Nabb got benched last year) but when the team plays good all of a sudden they are now “Loyalists”. They make me puke. I have a good “stadium story” to tell, but I am all riled up now and have to calm down a bit. Suffice to say, anyone travelling to the Eagles game Sept 20 in Phila, beware- there could be fisticuffs without even provoking it.
by Philinwood on Apr 16, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TELL IT!!!!
I love stories, even bad ones.
and he had a Vikings hat on or a Chiefs hat- they would throw beer on him and cuss at him- even if they were playing the Giants or Cowboys.
Well….
No. Not beer or swearing. But I think young boys should be abused at sporting events. I watched the Saints fans in gold sport coats torment that Dallas kid to near tears at the 2006 Dallas game (“The Cowboys might not win another game this year, this is serious….”), it was pretty funny. The kid was giving it back too though. It makes a man out of you.
That’s what I like most about the Superdome. It’s a game, it’s a party, everyone is invited, everyone is cool, there is some yelling back and forth but a lot of laughing too. It’s my favorite place to be. Check out that ceiling, it’s nearly nirvana.
"The best hope for David to make the final roster is for the Saints to select players at other positions in the draft."- Jeff Duncan, T-Pic 4/8/09
by stujo4 on Apr 16, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard about the Superdome
But I never actually got the chance to go. I do know most Saints fans are easy to get along with though. Honestly I have never been to an Eagles game and don’t know if I actually would if given tickets but idk lol. like I said before though Saints are my second favorite team and don’t judge me based on what others do.
by blueverinefan on Apr 16, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
U Know?
There was a Jail and a Judge @ the old Vet stadium, I’m sure there’s one @ Lincoln Field, for the totally intoxicated, and Eagle fans fighting other Eagle fans. Usually only the bravest Giant and Redskin fans make that trip to Philly……
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Apr 17, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overhaul not needed
The offense needs tweaking, but not much more. We do need a better running game, but we don’t have to draft for it. We have some pretty good pieces we either barely use (Pierre) or haven’t used at all yet (Hamilton). The biggest problem with our running game is with Sean Payton (up to now). You can run to pass or pass to run, but you gotta have a decent balance.
I believe the worm turned for SP in that horrible loss to Tampa in the rain. He bull-headedly tried to pass, pass, pass the whole 1st half, and it wasn’t working in the rain. He finally started giving Pierre some carries in the second half, but too little too late. Before he even made it back to N.O., articles criticising his coaching job in that game were in print all over the place. Fan outcry was virtually audible in the streets…RUN THE *&$^% BALL MORE!!!
He told the press he would, and the next week he did (that lovely revenge game over the Falcons). He kept it up until the last game, when both Reggie and Pierre were out hurt. I think we’ll see better balance this year, and it will help both the passing game and the defense.
by BASaintsFan on Apr 17, 2009 2:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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