CSC Interview: Welcoming Back Kenny Wilkerson

It's been over a year since Saints fans have heard from Kenny Wilkerson following his resignation from WWL. Since then he has left behind many questions and has quickly become an internet phenomenon shrouded in mystery. Everyone wants to know: Just where the heck is he?
He's right here. For the first time in quite a while, Kenny Wilkerson is speaking and he has chosen Canal Street Chronicles to do so.
For those of you who have been anxiously awaiting his return to radio...wait no more! The man, the myth, the legend is finally coming back to the airwaves with a new talk show on 990AM WGSO starting this June. He's a bad mother SHUT YO MOUTH!
Along with his new radio show he's also going to be hitting the internet, including right here on Canal Street Chronicles. He has already expressed an interest in helping out here and becoming a valuable member so expect to see more of Kenny in the near future. If any of you guys have ideas on what you might like to see from Kenny let us know. My initial thoughts were to have you submit questions for Kenny to answer.
But this isn't about me today, it's about Kenny. So without further ado let me present you with the first part of my conversation with Kenny. I thank him for taking the time to speak with me over the phone for a while to answer some of my questions. In this first part we discuss his career, the Saints off-season so far and his brand new show starting in June. Be sure to return tomorrow for part two of our discussion.
It is my great pleasure to officially (sort of) welcome back Mr. Kenny Wilkerson.
CSC: Give us a little history of Kenny Wilkerson.
KW: I was born and raised in New Orleans. I moved away and lived in Cincinnati for one year when I was young but came back to New Orleans. It's always been my home and it will always be my home. I got into the media business covering press conferences and doing things on a part-time basis around 1989. My oldest brother Gary Wilkerson used to do radio and television in Lafayette and Baton Rouge and I started helping him by recording press conferences and such, especially during the week so that he wouldn't have to drive all the way from Lafayette.
In 1990 that turned into doing some morning reports, a preview report on Friday morning and a review of the game on Monday morning. I kind of got that job on my own from having a little bit of experience the year before. The next year the management of WSNB gave me a time slot to do a talk show in the afternoon. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and I was scared to death but I went in there and started doing it. I actually got to a point after the first week when I went to Tom Fitzmorris, the man who was running the station at the time, and said to him, "I don't think I can do this." He told me to stick with it. He knew I could talk with people on the radio and have good conversations with people but I just had to let it develop and he was right. Within about two weeks I kinda started getting the hang of it and things kind of started clicking.
I did the show for the 1990 and 1991 season. It became a full-time thing. The company that owned WWL and some other radio stations bought WSNB, which was a common thing to do at the time, and moved into the same studio as WWL in what is now the Dominion Tower. So I moved over with them. They retained just a couple of people but I was lucky enough to be one of them. That was when Buddy D. was hired at WWL. When football season rolled around a couple of months later, Buddy and I had started to get to know each other a little bit. He and I talked about going out to Saints camp on a daily basis, which I was already doing, and doing a daily report for Buddy and his show. He was all for it and wanted to do it so I started doing it. And that's how the job even developed at WWL.
One thing led to another and I kind of moved into the position of doing the pre-game and locker room interviews. After that I moved along for who knows how many years. That was pretty much from the 1993 season until 2005 when Buddy passed away. Shortly thereafter they began their search for Buddy's replacement and of course I applied. I went through the whole process. I had already been on the air with them at that point for close to 15 years. I was lucky enough that they decided to go with me and Bobby Hebert. We started doing the show together a few months before Katrina hit. Of course everything went haywire and we were doing all kinds of crazy shows on the road. Hokie [Gajan] and I were driving all over the place to put a gameday broadcast together. We would either drive to San Antonio and fly with the team to their location or some games we would just drive ourselves. But Hokie and I figured we drove back and forth across the country about three times. When the football season was over the year after Katrina was when things finally settled down and we started doing five days a week of Sports Talk.
After the 2007 season my contract had expired and it was a joint decision to not renew my contract. Things had changed greatly regarding my relationship with the Saints. The station had a desire to continue to always be the station of the Saints and keep that gameday broadcast. That was very important to them, which I understand and I certainly don't blame them. But my relationship with the Saints had become even more turbulent than ever because of my relationship with Sean Payton. He disagreed a lot with how I did my job and the way I went about doing my job. I was there all the time and knew so many people.
CSC: How did Payton want you to do your job?
KW: He, and they, started doing what a lot of teams have started doing. Really it's been passed down. Parcells kinda started it and Belichick really picked up on it. They just don't want anything reported unless they release it. If they release it then it's okay to report it. And they don't want anything reported about them that is not confirmed by them. Quite frankly, the station called me in and said that the Saints weren't happy with the stuff I had been reporting and some of the things that I had said. They said that I had to, from that point, confirm anything and everything that I was going to report about the team before I said it on the air. And at that point I knew it was only a matter of time before it would all be over. I even said at the time, "You don't want me to be a reporter anymore, you just want me to be a mouthpiece."
One of the first big blow ups between me and Payton was when Roman Harper went down with a knee injury during a game in his rookie season. We asked Payton about Harper and his status the next day at the Monday press conference which was around one or two in the afternoon. Payton said they didn't have the results of his MRI yet. A couple of hours later we were already on the air during the usual Monday Second Guess Show with Mike Detillier and Bobby. I always filed a report during that show about whatever was said by the head coach at his Monday press conference. I went on with Bobby and Detillier and told them that the head coach had said they didn't have the results yet. About twenty minutes later I found out that they did know the results and that he was placed on IR. So I went back on the air and told everyone that the news on Roman Harper wasn't good and that he would be out for the season.
About ten minutes later Sean Payton walked into the room and asked if he could talk to me in another room. He asked me what I was reporting about Roman Harper and whether I had reported that he was on IR. I admitted that I did and also that I knew he was aware of the injury before we had asked him at the press conference. Payton wanted to know how I had found out and was upset because he didn't want that information released until Wednesday when the injury report goes out. So I said, "Coach, does it really make that much of a difference with teams preparing for you? A rookie that's only played three games for you? Does it really make that big of a difference if the opposition knows that Roman Harper is out on Monday as opposed to Wednesday?" He didn't like that I was challenging him and questioning him. After that point we just continued to butt heads on issues and we continued to butt heads throughout the 2006 season on lots of things that I found out and was reporting.
CSC: Do you think Coach Payton is just doing his job or is there more to it?
KW: I think Payton is doing his job the way he was taught to do it from working with Bill Parcells. He's doing it the way that he knows how to do it. Keep everything in house. Keep a tight ship. Keep everybody together. I certainly can't knock the man for wanting to do that and doing his job the way he was trained. At the same time, I was trained by Buddy Diliberto to cover the football team and report anything and everything that was going on with them regardless of whether it's going to make anyone mad. The truth is the truth. The point being, like Buddy and I used to talk about, the fans deserve to know everything that's going on. I think the majority of people out there, whether the Saints are winning or losing, feel that because they're spending their money on tickets and such that they're entitled to know as much as possible about what's going on with the team; good and bad.
Over the years it seems a lot of these discussions always get to talking about the bad things. All the bad stuff that's going on. But most of my career I've spent a tremendous amount of time always in search of and reporting the good stuff. All the good stuff that these guys did off the field and on the field. I tried to stay as positive as possible all the time. But the fact of the matter is that when any team starts losing and things start going bad, at that point nobody really cares about the good stuff. They just want to know what the heck is going on. What is going on with these guys. That question has been asked of me thousands of times over the years about this football team. Things were always so crazy. Almost as crazy as Al Davis and how he runs the Raiders. People would constantly ask me what was going on and it was my job to find out as much as I could.
CSC: Let's talk about the team. What do you think about the Saints off-season moves so far?
KW: I think the Saints have improved their football team and improved their roster just like every other team in the league improves their roster in the off-season. Everybody gets better. Everybody makes changes. Have the Saints improved their roster with enough outstanding, elite players? I'm not convinced of that. Who are the elite players that they have gone out and gotten? They drafted a cornerback in Malcolm Jenkins that is a cornerback/safety. They don't even know if he's going to be able to play corner and cover NFL receivers man-to-man. He might not even be as good as Tracy Porter. Only time will tell.
They're counting on Dan Morgan being healthy. If Dan Morgan is healthy than they've got something working there. Dan Morgan is a tenacious player. An outstanding football player. I've stood on that sideline many times and watch Dan Morgan practically take over games. But he's got to be healthy.
They are still, in my opinion, going into this season the same way they went into last season. They are a very fragile team. They have good players but they have a lot of players on this team that could get injured very easily. If they suffer from a rash of injuries just like most teams in the league, they are in a lot of trouble. If they stay healthy they can win a lot of games. But they have a lot of older players.
If you want to talk about the Saints biggest move of the off-season that would be the hiring of Gregg Williams. I think Williams is an outstanding coach but with that said, this man's got an awful lot of pressure on him. He's supposed to be the savior. People think he's supposed to come in here and turn everything around on the defensive side of the ball with his coaching and his attitude. But if he is so good, why has he been with a couple of teams over the last few years? Why has he moved around? Is it because he's gotten frustrated with the teams he's been with or is it because he just wasn't getting the job done? I think we're probably going to find out in about four to six games as to whether or not the defensive players on this team are responding to his coaching.
CSC: If you had to choose between Will Smith and Charles Grant, who would you pick?
KW: Will Smith, hands down. He plays every play. He doesn't take plays off. Now Will, as we found out at the end of last year, was playing the entire season with an injury and also carried around an extra twenty to thirty pounds of weight that he didn't need. I think Will would be the first to admit that he was too heavy last year and it took away some of his quickness. But Will Smith is a monster. Will Smith is a tremendous football player. A definite Pro Bowler as long as he's healthy.
Charles Grant has been what he was billed as coming into the league out of Georgia. The things that were said about Charles Grant have turned out to be exactly what he is as an NFL player. He's a good football player. He's got a lot of talent. He's got a lot of speed. He's got a lot of power. He's got a lot of strength. But he takes plays off. He plays one play, takes another play off. Plays one play, takes another play off. That was always the knock on him and it's turned out to be true. That's what he's done his entire NFL career.
And it's a tough battle for some of these guys fighting the weight issues. They come to a city like New Orleans and all the great food and they're going to have twice as much trouble as a guy playing anywhere else. Charles is one of them that has had a tough battle throughout his career with his weight. When his weight is down and he's not taking plays off then he's outstanding. But if I had to pick one, it's not even something to think about for more than five seconds. It would be Will Smith.
CSC: Tell us about your new show.
KW: It's called Sports Talk Unplugged and I plan to open up the phone lines and focus on being a voice for the fans. It's going to be mostly caller-oriented. Sports talk in general throughout the country has become extremely saturated. There are a million shows out there now and everybody is trying to outdo each other with who can get the most guests and who can get the best guests. I think shows have just gotten kind of old. Having guests on for two or three minutes, asking them a couple of questions but not getting in-depth at all. It's not going to be about how many big names I can get to come on my show. I'm going to be much more interested in the fans and the audience calling and having good debates and good conversation on the air with people. Having the same kind of talk that guys have when they're all just sitting around with an ice chest of beer or a bunch of guys all sitting at a bar talking about a team and about sports. I mean that's real sports talk. When people are just talking. Not holding back and really talking about what they think but at the same time having some people that have a bit of knowledge and that have a bit of access to players and stuff. I may be proven wrong that it's not the best way to go at this time and in this era but that's my goal with the show. It's going to be much more oriented and focused on the fans and on callers. If I'm going to have any guests on the show it's going to be for me to talk to them for just a few minutes and then for the fans to call in and talk to them for a while. And ask them anything they want. If people don't want to come on and talk about anything anybody wants to ask them within reason and about football then I'm not really interested in having them on.
CSC: Do you have still any contacts within the organization?
KW: I think there are always ways to find out what's going on. You have to work hard and you have to do your job right. You have to be relentless.
CSC: Before we end today, what would you like to let everyone know?
KW: It's been a rough couple of years with some very severe personal and medical issues between myself and my wife. It feels real good to be getting back into this and getting busy a little bit. Talking to a lot of people. Getting a fresh start with the new show and the new station. I am very happy to be given this opportunity to have a fresh start. My wife and I still have a long way to go and a very tough road ahead of us still but it's great to be getting back into this. How far will it go? I don't know. That remains to be seen. How popular will the show be? I don't know. But it's great to be getting back into it slowly - because I'm only going to be on once a week - and getting my mind off of personal issues that I've been dealing with.
Remember to check back tomorrow for part two of our discussion when Kenny and I discuss Reggie Bush, Deuce McAllister and the 2013 Super Bowl.You won't want to miss it.
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Regarding Gregg Williams
Kenny says, “if he is so good, why has he been with a couple of teams over the last few years?” I don’t quite understand why he asks such a question: we know why he’s moved around. It’s common knowledge: he was hired as defensive coordinator in Tennessee, was highly successful, and was hired away to be head coach in Buffalo—that’s one move. He failed as a head coach in Buffalo, was fired, and hired as defensive coordinator in Washington—that’s two moves. He was successful again, but was passed over for the head coaching job and left Washington for Jacksonville in the last year of his contract—that’s three moves. After his contract expired, he came to New Orleans as a “free agent” of sorts. That’s pretty straightforward. Dom Capers and Mike Nolan have similar histories, but nobody doubts they are very good at building and running defenses.
Gregg Williams may not really be “all that”; but the mere fact that he’s moved around a bit is irrelevant, and a curious way to try to make a point.
Come home, Stuart...
by MtnExile on May 21, 2009 7:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, ME. I think that was quite disingenuous of him. I also didn’t like this little bit.
I think Payton is doing his job the way he was taught to do it from working with Bill Parcells. He’s doing it the way that he knows how to do it. Keep everything in house. Keep a tight ship. Keep everybody together. I certainly can’t knock the man for wanting to do that and doing his job the way he was trained.
If you don’t “knock him” for this Kenny, then why are you still whining about it years later? You ARE “knocking him” for it. Because you are saying that approach is wrong by every word out of your mouth. Now here’s the real kicker… you’re part right. You were being asked to be a “mouthpiece” rather than a reporter, and you have a right to be pissed about that. In this much you were actually right.
But in these two areas you were wrong:
1) the fans do not have a “right” to know jack squat. We want to know everything. And if we think we are being lied to or otherwise treated inappropriately we have the right to stop buying tickets or jerseys or whatever else. But we don’t have a “right” to know “everything”, because the opponents can read the newspapers or watch TV just as well as we can. And while we aren’t the enemy we ARE the best way for the true enemy to get info they shouldn’t have. By playing on our desire to “know everything” THEY can in turn also learn everything that Payton and co. have EVERY right to not want them to know.
2) You don’t have the right to decide how you do your job when (and only when) you are functioning as an employee of an officially team-sponsored station. So long as WWL is officially in a business relationship with the Saints and essentially “owned” (in certain areas) by them, the Saints are the boss and they DO have the right to tell you how to do your job. The ONLY recourse you have is to say “I quit”. Which essentially you’ve done now.
So now that you are no longer an employee of an officially sanctioned team, you can say whatever you want. I just hope you remember that the Bumpkineers, Punkthers, Cowgirls, etc. all know how to turn on a radio as well.
by FriarBob on May 21, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
AMEN, brother
I wouldn’t change a word. Bob, very well said. I hope Kenny can find time to dig up dirt on our opponents, that would help us instead of hurting us.
In search of stujo4! ! !
by Big and Easy on May 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boom! Testify!
VERY well said. Very good points…
Who IS the Stig?
by Hollywoo! on May 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow... not that what you say isn't valid but
He got fired because he was trying to report. Any other city that isn’t cash poor, (remember the station struggles after the storm etc.) would love someone who got inside information… meaning they were THE FIRST station to break the news, but in NOLA with no one reporting and WWL in league with the team, it is like the military.
HE HAS A RIGHT TO BE MAD ABOUT IT AND TO KNOCK PAYTON! This was his lively hood and he is trying to be nice about it without taking TOO many jabs, but he is only human. Everyone rec’ing this is crazy; I do not understand your mentality. Bob are you employed by the saints? If so I forgive you, but if the saints were not doing better than outrageously awful (Brooks passing the ball straight backwards) you would not be signing the same song. Maybe the saints would do better if people built shrines to Payton and sacrificed their first born to the football gods.
I cannot believe I am the only person that is standing up for this man… follow the masses and agree it IS easier.
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Also he is stirring up controversy by being biased, I know you are going to listen to him just to disagree. Kind of like the bill o’reilly, limbaugh, olberman etc. The radio station obviously realized with his previous experience at WWL he is going to take some strong stands one way or the other and be inciteful sometimes. With the show being predominately callers it will be more like new genre of debate/rant shows.
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hollywoo! I like that avatar… the stig, classic!
by Norml912 on May 21, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being mad about losing your livelihood is one thing
But FriarBob is right about this: there is no such thing as a “right to know” regarding the inside dealings of a private company—which is what the Saints are. You may be a “fan” of Coca-Cola—but buying the product doesn’t entitle you to their formula, or to be kept apprised of developments inside the company. It entitles you to consume the product, and nothing else.
The Saints’ product is the game. You can watch it if you choose. But that doesn’t entitle you to know anything at all about how Payton runs the team, no matter how intensely curious you may be. The media elevates curiosity to the status of a “right to know” merely to inflate their own cultural importance.
Come home, Stuart...
by MtnExile on May 21, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree sort of but what you are preaching is censorship
Also the analogy of a patented product (of a publicly traded company) to a football team that is (Privately owned) is kind of weak, but I do get what you are saying. Our role is consumer, but I do believe that your wrong in the sense that the only reason that Kenny is fired is b/c Dictator Payton says so not because he is trying to steal the secret recipe. That my friends is wrong because sometimes consolidation of power is good and efficient, but sometimes it violates your civil rights and you end up in jail (or fired).
Regardless, we do have a right to know. How the media inflates stories is irrelevant to the freedom of information.
by Norml912 on May 21, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perspective
Nobody’s civil rights were violated and it isn’t censorship. When your boss doesn’t like how you do your job, you might get fired. Payton is trying to control the flow of info and that’s part of his job. We might want to know everything, but that isn’t in Payton’s best interests. Obviously WWL didn’t want Wilkerson functioning as a journalist and that was made clear to him. He didn’t agree with the job description and got the ax. There should be a place in the market for someone who digs up info and scoops stories early, but that obviously isn’t whta WWL wanted.
The level of secrecy around NFL teams is a little silly though. These aren’t matters of national security people
by SaintBevo on May 22, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Regardless, we do have a right to know"
Please explain how it is that you have a “right” to know anything at all about the dealings of a private company not in violation of the law? I could just as well claim that I have a “right” to know everything about you, and that your withholding it constitutes “censorship” and is an affront to the freedom of information.
Come home, Stuart...
by MtnExile on May 22, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE HAS A RIGHT TO BE MAD ABOUT IT AND TO KNOCK PAYTON!
If you read carefully, that’s the one place I stood up for him as well. He DOES have the right to be mad about being told to be a mouthpiece and not a “real” reporter.
Unfortunately, just because he as the right to not like what he was told, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to still obey the rules while still an employee of WWL. He isn’t anymore, so now he can say or do what he likes.
by FriarBob on May 21, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To play Devil's Advocate,
I think the point he was trying to make is if Williams is considered this Defensive Genius, as we are HOPING he will be, then it is a little curious why the teams he was with previously didn’t try harder to keep him around…
Who IS the Stig?
by Hollywoo! on May 21, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I didn't explain well enough
Tennessee couldn’t keep him around, because he was offered a head coaching job—a promotion.
Buffalo didn’t want to keep him as head coach after three seasons, and you don’t just demote a head coach to defensive coordinator—so they fired him.
Washington replaced Joe Gibbs’ entire regime when he retired—and when they passed over Williams and hired Jim Zorn as head coach, he left for Jacksonville for one year.
Jacksonville didn’t want to re-up him, because his defensive philosophy was at odds with head coach Jack Del Rio’s.
MY point was that we know the reasons why Williams departed each one of his positions…and there’s nothing at all curious about any of his moves. Actually, the point I didn’t push hard was: why is a professional journalist bringing up such a question as though it’s in dire need of an answer? Does he honestly not know the answer? Or is he trying to manufacture a controversy? Either one is not good.
Come home, Stuart...
by MtnExile on May 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This looks like the age-old tension
between the object (Saints) and those who pursue the object (media). It’s not supposed to be a love fest, nor does it need to be a constantly contentious relationship.
Kenny’s job is to find out what he can about the Saints, verify it, put it together and report it.
Sean’s job is to form his team for the season, prepare them for each game and bring value to his boss, Rita.
The tension will always be there, as each puts his independent objectives above those of the other. Sean will love to have Kenny around, as long as there’s something good to report. Kenny will think happy thoughts of Sean, as long as the access is there.
We as diehard optimistic fans of the Saints look at Sean as the protagonist and Kenny as the antagonist. Sean may be a jerk about controlling information on his team, but his team is the Saints, and that makes him our jerk.
We as fed-up, long-suffering fans of the Saints see it the other way. Kenny is our information technologist. He hooks us up with the unofficial word on why the Saints aren’t living up to their potential. Sean would be the latest in a long line of coaches to push the top-shelf stuff first, only to switch to the watered-down stuff as we got drunker.
Like a true drunk, a Saints fan needs them both. I don’t think taking sides as a principle is going to help. If Sean lets us down, we can burn him in effigy. If Kenny starts chipping away just because he can, we can do the same, now that we know what he looks like.
Do you know what it means...
by MissingNO on May 21, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Preach it Friar
I think it is cool that someone who doesn’t like being a mouthpiece is deciding to do something about it, instead of just whining. Not to say he isn’t whining, but if I was him I probably would too.
by asaint on May 21, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some of the replies
Guys hold on for a sec……..The thing I was trying to get across about Greg Williams you are missing. Of course I know his history and what happened at each of those teams, it has more to do about the fact that everybody and their mother thinks that this guy has some kind of magic wand and he alone is going to turn this defense into a GREAT one not just a good one. The last time I checked games were won and lost by the players and not who was on the sidelines. Many a great offensve and defensve coach has struggled because he just didn’t have the horses. The Saints defensive stable is not what you would call loaded. THis man has his work cut out for him and I truly hope he does well but the point about him moving around has more to do with his one year stop in Jacksonville. It was stated that there was a difference of opinion between Williams and Del Rio. You mean to tell me that Del Rio ddn’t know how Williams wanted to run the defense when he hired him. Jack is defensive minded coach and certainly knows what he is doing. I was simply trying to make a SMALL point of….why did Jack let him get away after only one year. I promise you NOBODY and I mean NOBODY will know the answer to that question until they get well into the regular season. It just seemed to me that when the Saints started courting him Jeff Duncan ( who is without question one of the best writers in the country ) wrote a column on Williams and that the Saints needed to get him desperatly because he has one of the best defensive minds in the league. That may very well may turn out to be true but I don’t you think can automatically say that about any coach until after they have started playing games. This of course is just my opinion. That doesn’t mean it has to turn into a great big argument. Time will tell if this was a good move by the Saints. But know this…..it needs to turn out to be a GREAT move not just a good one. I think most people would agree that The hiring of Greg Williams was the BIGGEST move made by the Saints in th offseason. So it needs to be a GREAT one. As the ZEN MASTER says we’ll see. And we’ll se why Jack Del Rio didn’t put up more of a fight to keep him.
As far as the comments about what the fans should and should not be entitled to know. Let me ask you this ? If something happened like Charles Grant and Aaron Brooks geting into a fight and it was reported weeks later by a national guy don’t tell me that the fans wouldn’t be up in arms and mad as hell that they didn’t know earlier. I mean do you really believe something like that doesn’t and didn’t affect some of the team unity that year. Of course it did. Every reporter out there does things a little different and some if not most feel that the fans have a right to know what is going on. Now this is just my opinion but it is also the way I was taught how to cover this team. As far as whether or not things like this being reported HURTS a team. C’mon…..give me a break. Hey it happened and all of the players know about it. It’s either going to create some tension from within regardless of wheher the fans know. And let me say this……..all of that stuff goes right out the window within 5 to 10 minutes after a game starts. People think that there are all these conspiracies going on all the time. That’s just not true. And whether or not a fight or an arrest or a positve drug test has anything at all to do with whether or not one team is better than the other and can beat that team is just not part of who gets the win. TOO TOO much is made of this kinda stuff.
I’ll say it again and I know I’ll be saying it until the day I die. IT’S NOT ABOUT JUST DIGGING UP THE DIRT> It’s about telling the truth. Ok what else do you guys wan to turn into a presidential debate ?
by Kenny Wilkerson on May 21, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
If you don't like debate
Ok what else do you guys wan to turn into a presidential debate ?
You better go back to talking into a microphone at a radio station that never talks back and leave us alone. Dedate is what this is all about.
In search of stujo4! ! !
by Big and Easy on May 21, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny
That was harsh. Let me explain. People that like the soap opera stuff don’t necessarily care if the team wins or loses. I’ll give you some examples:
If the story is negative and hurts the Saints that’s the Saints problem.
by Hap Ghost on May 19, 2009 10:21 AM
That kind of comment makes my blood boil. And we have this:
An un-loyal Saints fan and proud of it!
Hell I’ve openly rooted for them to lose. Yep. And if I deem the conditions right I’ll do it again.
Also written in Hap Glaudi’s latest “Masterpiece”.
And we have this exchange.
What doesn’t need to be run through the media spin rooms are stories like: Bush said that he’s not getting enough carries, Moore thinks that Shockey doesn’t like Brees, Colston thinks we lost because of play calling. All of this may be happening, but it would not help the team if Kenny W told Hap and Hap spun it her way and I read it on some blog. Yes, I would know about it and NO, it wouldn’t help the team, it would possibly hurt the team.
Now a question for you. If you could know about these things and you knew that it would cause at least 2 loses, would you still want to know?
by Big and Easy on May 19, 2009 8:05 PM
I choose yes
by Hap Ghost on May 19, 2009 10:09 PM
I’m just not that type of fan. I want the team to win above all else. And if it wasn’t going to effect the team IN ANY NEGATIVE WAY, why would a team not release the information that you feel is “your right” to know?
In search of stujo4! ! !
by Big and Easy on May 21, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as whether or not things like this being reported HURTS a team. C’mon…..give me a break. Hey it happened and all of the players know about it. It’s either going to create some tension from within regardless of wheher the fans know. And let me say this……..all of that stuff goes right out the window within 5 to 10 minutes after a game starts
Dude, come now. You want a debate, and I’m happy to give you one, but please don’t insult our intelligence with this ridiculous garbage. The problem isn’t what it causes (or doesn’t) in the locker room. If Shockey and Brees have a fight it doesn’t hurt the locker room anywhere NEAR as much as it helps the other team prepare to play us. If they know Brees doesn’t trust Shockey they know he’s not going to be his primary target when they are on the field together and can game plan accordingly.
And sorry, just because you “feel that the fans have a right to know” doesn’t make it true. How many times has a player said they feel they should make more money and ask to renegotiate their contract? They feel they deserve more money. Doesn’t necessarily make it true. On political issues one side feels X is true and the other feels the exact opposite Y is true. Neither sides “feelings” make their opinion true simply because they feel that way.
And just because “everybody” agrees doesn’t make it true either. A decade or so back “everybody” knew that computers would stay insecure and that everybody would eventually have to be a hacker to truly be anybody in the electronic world. Oops. A century or so ago people knew that moving at the insanely rapid velocity of 15 miles per hour on a train was dangerous and unwise and would never be a popular part of society. Oops. And a decade from now many things we “all know are true” will turn out to be total rubbish too.
No matter how much you “feel” that we have a “right” to know, we really don’t. We want to know. We should want to know. That’s part of being fans after all. But just because we want it doesn’t mean we have the right to have it.
by FriarBob on May 22, 2009 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% agreed
And a decade from now many things we "all know are true" will turn out to be total rubbish too.
Yeah, like evolution. And if you think only idiots don’t believe in it, you should find out about radiohalos in bedrock granite. They are hard, scientific PROOF that the land masses of Earth were created instantly and not over billions of years by thermogenesis, as the evolutionary theory maintains.
There is nobody so irritating as someone who is less intelligent than us and yet is wiser.
by Tigernut on May 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big and Easy
It was a joke…..lighten up………I want to go back and forth with you guys and answer your questions ( if I can ) as well as express opinions. Would you prefer me say….ok who’s next
by Kenny Wilkerson on May 21, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's my understanding regarding Del Rio and Williams
…and this is just what reading between the lines of a bunch of different stories indicates to me:
Del Rio and Williams are both strong-willed, strong-minded, opinionated alpha males. They did not get along. Del Rio didn’t want Williams back, and Williams equally didn’t want to be back. Some of Del Rio’s feelings may have had to do with the relatively poor showing of the Jags’ defense last year; but then again, some of that poor showing could be laid at the feet of the head coach (remember the Del Rio-Peterson feud?). The entire team imploded last year, and I feel pretty confident that Williams said the equivalent of “screw this” and bolted at his earliest opportunity.
Kenny, I don’t know how much you’ve been reading on here in the recent past; but the consensus seems to be that the Williams hire only needs to be a good one. Gibbs’ defense was so bad that it’s difficult to believe there won’t be some improvement this season. And if there is—if we can climb from 27th to, say, 15th—that could make a difference of 2 or 3 victories all by itself. Great would be great; but if reaching the playoffs is the goal, a modest improvement in the defense should get us there.
(I’m not saying we should be satisfied with that…as Johnny Rocco once said, “I want more.”)
Come home, Stuart...
by MtnExile on May 21, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I’m pretty sure Del Rio was just too busy designing those snazzy new uniforms and Williams didn’t like the color scheme
by ReggieVilma on May 23, 2009 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God! They killed Kenny!
I welcome Kenny’s contribution if it helps get real debate started. I’m starting to get the inkling of the lack of tolerance for a critical view of the popular opinion.
Gregg Williams has potential to elevate the Saints defense to a new level, but he has had mixed success on other teams. Saints fans hope and believe he will have an instant impact. If you’ve been a fan for longer than five years, you also know other sure-fire fixes have backfired. (Ricky Williams in a wedding dress anyone?)
I’ve been there, and so have many of you. And I’m also old enough to keep my “skirt” tight to minimize the amount of sunshine getting blasted up there.
If we can’t debate without snarking, then maybe our old friend Hap needs to have a prominent place at the table.
Do you know what it means...
by MissingNO on May 22, 2009 5:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Boom!!!
Oh my God! They killed Kenny!
I couldn’t read the rest of your post because I was laughing so hard. That was a good one.
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by Big and Easy on May 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
G-dub
For the most part Kenny, I think your points are well taken. But I do take issue with a couple of your comments:
it has more to do about the fact that everybody and their mother thinks that this guy has some kind of magic wand and he alone is going to turn this defense into a GREAT one not just a good one.
Are you kidding me? I think we’d a settle for good after the train wreck that was the last 2 years.
The last time I checked games were won and lost by the players and not who was on the sidelines. Many a great offensve and defensve coach has struggled because he just didn’t have the horses.
I could not diagree more. Obviously you need good players, but I continue to say that coaching is the single most underrated aspect of the NFL. A good coach can raise the level of his players by building a scheme that fits their talents, or by selecting players that fill a role in his scheme. A crappy coach can make good players seem non-existent. Basically players are the stereo system and coaches are the speakers. I don’t care how great your system is, crappy speakers will make it sound crappy. Great speakers can make it sound half-way decent.
by SaintBevo on May 22, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Excellent points
How many times have you heard players—even great ones, like Tiki Barber—say they were outcoached? The players themselves understand how important coaching is. Witness how fired-up the defense sounds now whenever they’re interviewed.
Come home, Stuart...
by MtnExile on May 22, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs





















