Maybe Bush's time finally has come
Comparing Pistol Pete to Reggie
Let it all come together and let Bush be Bush. Maybe then Bush can avoid the same fate as Maravich. Maybe Bush isn't too late or too early. Maybe Bush has arrived at just the right time to redefine the game. -Pete Yasinkas ESPN
To those who are a little overly-logical, comparing a basketball player to a football player may not make sense. But to those of us who understand sports and the competitve drive that each player has, no matter what the sport, and how that alone can link any two players from any sport--then this piece may interest you. Let me know what you think.
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definetly like it
everyone says “Reggie can’t do this” and “Reggie can’t do that”. I think that he was having a great year last year untill he got hurt. I think Reggie is ahead of the time but not by much. Everyone is going to a 2 running back system it seems. I’ll leave it to that so we don’t get back into the Reggie debate. lol
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Jun 14, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not looking for Superman
I’d be happy if Bush ran with the same conviction that Pierre does. Just as I’d be happy if Thomas was as gifted a receiving threat out of the backfield as Reggie is. I think most would agree that Thomas comes closer to the quinessential definition of “all-purpose back”, at least in terms of offensive production.
And I think that’s where the bulk of the frustration lies for so many Saints fans, including myself. Why is an undrafted free agent seemingly outperforming (or even performing comparably to) a second overall selection? It’s a valid question. Primarily because it’s two players from the same team.
The biggest argument we hear in Bush’s favor is that he brings so much to the table in other areas. Specifically, in terms of total yardage (including special teams). But is that even true?
Let’s look back on the RB Class of 2006:
Maurice Jones-Drew – 127.7 total ypg
Jerious Norwood – 120.0 total ypg
Leon Washington – 114.0 total ypg
Reggie Bush – 96.0 total ypg
DeAngelo Williams – 93.2 total ypg
Laurence Maroney – 92.2 total ypg
Joseph Addai – 83.5 total ypg
Wali Lundy – 53.4 total ypg
LenDale White – 51.8 total ypg
Brian Calhoun – 30.0 total ypg
Patrick Cobbs (undrafted) – 20.1 total ypg
Jerome Harrison – 19.1 total ypg
Michael Robinson – 18.5 total ypg
Quinton Ganther – 6.1 total ypg
Montell Owens (undrafted) – 2.0 total ypg
Where would Pierre Thomas rank in this class? Fourth. His 110.0 total ypg would actually bump Bush down another notch. Obviously, both have excelled on special teams, as have several of the other backs listed.
Where Bush comes closest to blowing the class out of the water, is in the receiving department. A seemingly guaranteed first down per game better than MJD is something we should all be beating our chests about.
Reggie Bush – 42.1 rec ypg
Maurice Jones-Drew – 30.0 rec ypg
Joseph Addai – 20.8 rec ypg
Leon Washington – 17.5 rec ypg
Jerious Norwood – 15.9 rec ypg
Wali Lundy – 14.6 rec ypg
DeAngelo Williams – 13.5 rec ypg
Laurence Maroney – 10.3 rec ypg
Patrick Cobbs (undrafted) – 8.9 rec ypg
Michael Robinson – 6.9 rec ypg
Jerome Harrison – 5.5 rec ypg
Brian Calhoun – 5.0 rec ypg
LenDale White – 4.2 rec ypg
Quinton Ganther – 2.5 rec ypg
Montell Owens (undrafted) – 0.9 rec ypg
Let’s revisit Pierre in this category. Rank? Fifth. Thomas’s 16.1 rec ypg fails to whiff the fumes emanating from Reggie’s dual carburator exhaust, but they’re good enough to land him among the household names on this list, once again.
One more category, since I have no life anyway. For the sake of being 21st century savvy, we’ll call rushing production the FORMER most important aspect of a running back’s on-the-field existence.
Joseph Addai – 62.7 rush ypg
DeAngelo Williams – 60.7 rush ypg
Laurence Maroney – 55.8 rush ypg
Maurice Jones-Drew – 53.9 rush ypg
LenDale White – 47.3 rush ypg
Reggie Bush – 40.8 rush ypg
Jerious Norwood – 38.6 rush ypg
Wali Lundy – 34.0 rush ypg
Leon Washington – 30.2 rush ypg
Michael Robinson – 6.1 rush ypg
Brian Calhoun – 4.9 rush ypg
Patrick Cobbs (undrafted) – 4.1 rush ypg
Quinton Ganther – 3.6 rush ypg
Jerome Harrison – 2.2 rush ypg
Montell Owens (undrafted) – 0.4 rush ypg
Thomas’s rank? Ninth at 32.5 ypg. Which isn’t terribly surprising, considering how seldom he played offense his rookie season. Yards per game as a statistic is inherently predicated on player utilization. Unfortunately, there’s not a better measuring stick available to compare these players’ three season production totals. Unless, you want to go yards per carry. And if anything you’ve seen here has made you sick to your stomach, believe me, you DO NOT want me to go there.
I guess the bottom line is, we have two very talented athletes on our team at running back. One is just considerably less “well-rounded” than the other (putting it gently).
In April 2006, I was watching the NFL Draft at Buffalo Wild Wings with some friends. Suppose Biff had shown up in a stolen DeLorean and shoved a 2009 sports almanac in my face. “Here!” he would have shouted. “Here are Reggie Bush’s career statistics from three years in the future.”
Sounds silly, I know. But hey, Reggie DID arrive before his time. We’ve already established that. He arrived in a silver spaceship, along with John Titor, LeBron James, Marty McFly, Lionel Messi, E.T. and a host of other strange visitors from more advanced astral plane.
Seeing his statistics in post-printed black & white, though, I have to wonder how I would have reacted. My gut instinct tells me not much differently than I did when they actually drafted Reggie, “OMFG, we could have had D’Brickashaw.” Probably the LAST thing out of my mouth would’ve been “25 Reggie … BAM! The future of NFL running backs.”
I take that back. The absolute LAST thing out of my mouth would’ve been the buffalo wings I was chowing down on, at the time of the selection. Those things are killer. But yeah, we could’ve done a little better with the pick in hindsight. I’m over it.
To Sean Payton’s credit, he seems to be coming to terms with what he drafted. He’s no longer trying to fit a square peg in a round hole quite as often. Which is peachy for now. I’m just not sure how I’ll feel about that situation, if and when Thomas goes down with a season ending injury.
In 2000, BOTH Ricky Williams and Jeff Blake went down in successive weeks. We still managed to make it to the playoffs (and advance), with a then-unknown Aaron Brooks playing brilliantly and a hodge podge backfield of Terry Allen, Jerald Moore and Chad Morton. I guess as long as capable workhorse backs like Deuce and Wali Lundy — thought that slipped my attention, didn’t you? — remain unsigned, we’ll be okay.
I just wish we had another on the team right now. Like Jacksonville currently has in MJD and Rashad Jennings (and Greg Jones), for example. Then again, as long as we’re content on throwing the ball 70% of the time, it probably doesn’t matter who we have lined up behind Brees. As long as they can pass block, right? WHO DAT?!
by coldpizza on Jun 14, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
wow dude
I’m a Falcons fan.
but that compilation of RB statistics made me smile. Outstanding research.
I really hope NO establishes some kind of run game by this season and I think Pierre is the answer with Bush being the unpredictable “out of the backfield element”.
Good luck to you all (as long as the Falcons at least score the wild card)
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
by MentallyMIA on Jun 15, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it did make you smile
you have a backup RB putting up better per game numbers than at least a dozen starters in the league. LOL just messing with ya. Thanks for the well wishes. I hope you guys have a successful season too, except the two or (hopefully) three times our paths cross.
by coldpizza on Jun 15, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
That was an amazing comment, for awhile I thought I was reading a fanpost
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
by detpistons3 on Jun 16, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol,
I may not agree with all of it but I like your style pizza, comment more please!
Don't worry I got your back cuz...
by TAYDIGGA on Jun 15, 2009 4:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Rec'd It
I appreciate the thought and effort you put into it. I agree pretty much with your analysis. i think PT will improve as a receiver, but he probably won’t really need to. We have so many good receivers including Reggie and also FB Evans, we should be fine. Even with injuries, I think we can still gave a good running game- I think there is talent in camp even behind PT and RB.
by Philinwood on Jun 16, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have an interesting question
Where do u think Reggie would rank among our Wideouts? He’s the quickest and fastest. He has reliable hands. And he has pretty good build/size for a WR. I think they should be more inclined to motion him out as a WR if the defense lines up with a LB or bigger safety on him. He is more inclined to take a mismatch to the house than PT is.
by ReggieVilma on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
he’s quite as fast as Devery, but that’s splitting hairs. I’ve often wondered why they don’t line up a WR and Bush on the same side, have the WR run the shorter route and send Bush long. I’ve seen them throw quick-developing WR screens many times, but I honestly can’t remember them ever going deep to Bush. Why is that? If you have two burners with similiar skill sets idling side-by-side, what’s wrong with mixing it up every once in a while? It would give opposing defensive players a whole lot more to think about, if it wasn’t such a given that Bush is going to be lingering in the flat every time he’s playing wideout. It’s not like Payton hasn’t shown us his creativity in other areas. Why the handcuffs there?
by coldpizza on Jun 17, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE NUMBER ONE OFFENSE IN FOOTBALL!!!
Since Reggie got here we have had the most productive offense in the NFL. Let the man do what he has been doing….moving the chains. For those who want to move Bush into doing different roles. Once again…THE NUMBER ONE OFFENSE IN FOOTBALL! As the old saying goes, if it ain’t broke…Don’t fix it! You can tune it up, change the oil and get new tires, but don’t mess with the engine. Reggie is the most dangerous QB bailout option in football. This is why the receivers are so productive, because if you don’t make it your defensive priority to game plan for him, he will murder you!
by Saint for life on Jun 19, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wake me up
when they’re first in time of possession. Cumulative yardage doesn’t even come close to TOP, as an indicator of W-L success.
by coldpizza on Jun 19, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bush vs Steve Smith?
Cmon…..that’s an insult to Steve Smith- just as it would be an insult to Reggie to say that Steve Smith could be as good a running back as Reggie. Steve Smith is a Saint killer. I would love if Reggie could become a Panther killer.
by Philinwood on Jun 19, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reggie
Is a few inches taller than smith and any receiver was a saint killer the last few years.
by ReggieVilma on Jun 21, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie was also leading the NFL's RB and WR in scoring when he went down, IIRC.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jun 20, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why you mentioned that Reggie is taller than Steve Smith
and if you check the stats, Smith has had an incredible career – he is an incredible receiver- probably just knocking on the door but not quite HOF level. I don’t think you can say that about Reggie, but he is young still. I also think a lot of people don’t have any clue how hard it is to be a true receiver- you have to run run ALL of the routes, because now you have cornerbacks covering you instead of linebackers and they often have help over top. And, as a receiver, you have to run ALL the routes well and not tip off the CB or that is disastrous. Being a running back that catches the ball out of the backfield well is a world of difference than running all the wide out routes and being proficient at that position. Running a crossing route over the middle (and surviving!) is an art in itself. It takes huge amounts of practice with the QB to develop the timing on many routes (and reads). additionally, if you send a RB on a deep route more than once a game, you had better be prepared for him to have tired legs late in the game if you are interested in him running the ball. Running deep routes, blocking linemen and running the ball will have its toll on any RB’s legs and this is a huge reason you don’t see great RBs go deep very often.
And, although I agree that some wideouts have had good days against our weak pass defense, we did defense some of them well especially when Mike McKenzie covered them and was healthy. I think over the last 6 seasons, Steve Smith was as good or better tan any wide receiver we faced. Probably the best.
by Philinwood on Jun 21, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant there was little difference
in terms of their raw athleticism and basic skill sets. Career achievements have nothing to do with that. If they did, Greg Jennings wouldn’t be considered a better WR than Donald Driver in Green Bay. Of course, Smith is a better WR in terms of production, the nuances of the position, etc. He’s played the position far longer than Bush, who technically hasn’t played it at all. Based on all the intangibles I’ve observed, there’s no doubt in my mind Bush could be just as good a WR (or better), if he dedicated himself to that one position. I also think Smith could be just as effective a RB as Bush, if used in that capacity. Obviously, that’s not saying as much. But they’re very similiar athletes (as is Santana Moss) and that’s all I was trying to get across on that point.
by coldpizza on Jun 22, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Height
is important in a receiver. Thats why I mentioned it. Would you rather be throwing to a 6’ guy or a 5’9" guy? Smith has had a few good games but he hasn’t been super impressive. In 14 career games against the Saints, Smith has had at least a 100 yards and a touchdown (what I consider a very good game) twice. In addition to that he has had a game where he totaled 134 yards and 0 TD and another game where he had 85 yards and 2 TD. I’ll count those as good days as well, totalling 4 good games out of 14. I have listed his stats below:
2008
- 122 yd, 1 TD
- 134 yd, 0 TD
2007
- 47 yd, 0 TD
- 47 yd, 0 TD
2006
- 87 yd, 1 TD
- 87 yd, 2 TD
2005
- 138 yd, 1 TD
- 85 yd, 1 TD
2004
*Smith was hurt
2003
- 13 yd, 0 TD
- 100 yd, 0 TD
2002
- 68 yd, 0 TD
- 37 yd, 0 TD
2001
- 11yd, 0 TD
- 68 yd, 0 TD
He has had some good games against the Saints but over the first half of Smith’s career it was Muhamid (not Smith) having the big games for Carolina against the Saints (Muhamid is not knocking on Canton’s door). A “killer” should have over half of his games be good games. Last year, Bernard Berrian had 110 yd and 1 TD coming from Gus Ferot. Arnaz Battle had 120 yd without a TD coming from O’ Sullivan. Big games were easy to come by for a WR playing the Saints. I believe your recent memory is more prominent in your mind.
And if Reggie would be featured more as a WR, he would work on his endurance more. He would focus on getting into WR shape more as well as RB shape. Reggie is still relitively young. Running over the middle is more guts than an art.
by ReggieVilma on Jun 21, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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