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Maybe Bush's time finally has come


Comparing Pistol Pete to Reggie

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Let it all come together and let Bush be Bush. Maybe then Bush can avoid the same fate as Maravich. Maybe Bush isn't too late or too early. Maybe Bush has arrived at just the right time to redefine the game.   -Pete Yasinkas ESPN

To those who are a little overly-logical, comparing a basketball player to a football player may not make sense. But to those of us who understand sports and the competitve drive that each player has, no matter what the sport, and how that alone can link any two players from any sport--then this piece may interest you.  Let me know what you think.

This FanPost was written by a reader and member of Canal Street Chronicles. It does not necessarily reflect the views of CSC and its staff or editors.

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definetly like it

everyone says “Reggie can’t do this” and “Reggie can’t do that”. I think that he was having a great year last year untill he got hurt. I think Reggie is ahead of the time but not by much. Everyone is going to a 2 running back system it seems. I’ll leave it to that so we don’t get back into the Reggie debate. lol

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Jun 14, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow dude

I’m a Falcons fan.

but that compilation of RB statistics made me smile. Outstanding research.

I really hope NO establishes some kind of run game by this season and I think Pierre is the answer with Bush being the unpredictable “out of the backfield element”.

Good luck to you all (as long as the Falcons at least score the wild card)

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Jun 15, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it did make you smile

you have a backup RB putting up better per game numbers than at least a dozen starters in the league. LOL just messing with ya. Thanks for the well wishes. I hope you guys have a successful season too, except the two or (hopefully) three times our paths cross.

by coldpizza on Jun 15, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

That was an amazing comment, for awhile I thought I was reading a fanpost

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jun 16, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol,

I may not agree with all of it but I like your style pizza, comment more please!

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jun 15, 2009 4:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Rec'd It

I appreciate the thought and effort you put into it. I agree pretty much with your analysis. i think PT will improve as a receiver, but he probably won’t really need to. We have so many good receivers including Reggie and also FB Evans, we should be fine. Even with injuries, I think we can still gave a good running game- I think there is talent in camp even behind PT and RB.

by Philinwood on Jun 16, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have an interesting question

Where do u think Reggie would rank among our Wideouts? He’s the quickest and fastest. He has reliable hands. And he has pretty good build/size for a WR. I think they should be more inclined to motion him out as a WR if the defense lines up with a LB or bigger safety on him. He is more inclined to take a mismatch to the house than PT is.

by ReggieVilma on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

he’s quite as fast as Devery, but that’s splitting hairs. I’ve often wondered why they don’t line up a WR and Bush on the same side, have the WR run the shorter route and send Bush long. I’ve seen them throw quick-developing WR screens many times, but I honestly can’t remember them ever going deep to Bush. Why is that? If you have two burners with similiar skill sets idling side-by-side, what’s wrong with mixing it up every once in a while? It would give opposing defensive players a whole lot more to think about, if it wasn’t such a given that Bush is going to be lingering in the flat every time he’s playing wideout. It’s not like Payton hasn’t shown us his creativity in other areas. Why the handcuffs there?

by coldpizza on Jun 17, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

I’d rank him first as a pure WR, ahead of Colston. I honestly don’t see much of a difference between Bush and Steve Smith, outside of a lack of creativity on John Fox’s part.

by coldpizza on Jun 17, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THE NUMBER ONE OFFENSE IN FOOTBALL!!!

Since Reggie got here we have had the most productive offense in the NFL. Let the man do what he has been doing….moving the chains. For those who want to move Bush into doing different roles. Once again…THE NUMBER ONE OFFENSE IN FOOTBALL! As the old saying goes, if it ain’t broke…Don’t fix it! You can tune it up, change the oil and get new tires, but don’t mess with the engine. Reggie is the most dangerous QB bailout option in football. This is why the receivers are so productive, because if you don’t make it your defensive priority to game plan for him, he will murder you!

by Saint for life on Jun 19, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wake me up

when they’re first in time of possession. Cumulative yardage doesn’t even come close to TOP, as an indicator of W-L success.

by coldpizza on Jun 19, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bush vs Steve Smith?

Cmon…..that’s an insult to Steve Smith- just as it would be an insult to Reggie to say that Steve Smith could be as good a running back as Reggie. Steve Smith is a Saint killer. I would love if Reggie could become a Panther killer.

by Philinwood on Jun 19, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reggie

Is a few inches taller than smith and any receiver was a saint killer the last few years.

by ReggieVilma on Jun 21, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reggie was also leading the NFL's RB and WR in scoring when he went down, IIRC.

The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb

by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jun 20, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure why you mentioned that Reggie is taller than Steve Smith

and if you check the stats, Smith has had an incredible career – he is an incredible receiver- probably just knocking on the door but not quite HOF level. I don’t think you can say that about Reggie, but he is young still. I also think a lot of people don’t have any clue how hard it is to be a true receiver- you have to run run ALL of the routes, because now you have cornerbacks covering you instead of linebackers and they often have help over top. And, as a receiver, you have to run ALL the routes well and not tip off the CB or that is disastrous. Being a running back that catches the ball out of the backfield well is a world of difference than running all the wide out routes and being proficient at that position. Running a crossing route over the middle (and surviving!) is an art in itself. It takes huge amounts of practice with the QB to develop the timing on many routes (and reads). additionally, if you send a RB on a deep route more than once a game, you had better be prepared for him to have tired legs late in the game if you are interested in him running the ball. Running deep routes, blocking linemen and running the ball will have its toll on any RB’s legs and this is a huge reason you don’t see great RBs go deep very often.

And, although I agree that some wideouts have had good days against our weak pass defense, we did defense some of them well especially when Mike McKenzie covered them and was healthy. I think over the last 6 seasons, Steve Smith was as good or better tan any wide receiver we faced. Probably the best.

by Philinwood on Jun 21, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant there was little difference

in terms of their raw athleticism and basic skill sets. Career achievements have nothing to do with that. If they did, Greg Jennings wouldn’t be considered a better WR than Donald Driver in Green Bay. Of course, Smith is a better WR in terms of production, the nuances of the position, etc. He’s played the position far longer than Bush, who technically hasn’t played it at all. Based on all the intangibles I’ve observed, there’s no doubt in my mind Bush could be just as good a WR (or better), if he dedicated himself to that one position. I also think Smith could be just as effective a RB as Bush, if used in that capacity. Obviously, that’s not saying as much. But they’re very similiar athletes (as is Santana Moss) and that’s all I was trying to get across on that point.

by coldpizza on Jun 22, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Height

is important in a receiver. Thats why I mentioned it. Would you rather be throwing to a 6’ guy or a 5’9" guy? Smith has had a few good games but he hasn’t been super impressive. In 14 career games against the Saints, Smith has had at least a 100 yards and a touchdown (what I consider a very good game) twice. In addition to that he has had a game where he totaled 134 yards and 0 TD and another game where he had 85 yards and 2 TD. I’ll count those as good days as well, totalling 4 good games out of 14. I have listed his stats below:

2008

  • 122 yd, 1 TD
  • 134 yd, 0 TD

2007

  • 47 yd, 0 TD
  • 47 yd, 0 TD

2006

  • 87 yd, 1 TD
  • 87 yd, 2 TD

2005

  • 138 yd, 1 TD
  • 85 yd, 1 TD

2004
*Smith was hurt

2003

  • 13 yd, 0 TD
  • 100 yd, 0 TD

2002

  • 68 yd, 0 TD
  • 37 yd, 0 TD

2001

  • 11yd, 0 TD
  • 68 yd, 0 TD

He has had some good games against the Saints but over the first half of Smith’s career it was Muhamid (not Smith) having the big games for Carolina against the Saints (Muhamid is not knocking on Canton’s door). A “killer” should have over half of his games be good games. Last year, Bernard Berrian had 110 yd and 1 TD coming from Gus Ferot. Arnaz Battle had 120 yd without a TD coming from O’ Sullivan. Big games were easy to come by for a WR playing the Saints. I believe your recent memory is more prominent in your mind.

And if Reggie would be featured more as a WR, he would work on his endurance more. He would focus on getting into WR shape more as well as RB shape. Reggie is still relitively young. Running over the middle is more guts than an art.

by ReggieVilma on Jun 21, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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