Meachem's Last Stand
I don't know about you but I am only giving Robert Meachem one more year.
Originally I had planned to write some long, well-researched, inspirational post filled with facts, numbers and references that would astound the mind and boggle your brain. But I just didn't know how to work it all out and I just wasn't really feeling it. I've since come to learn that I'm pretty apathetic toward Robert Meachem. I've also come to realize that we don't really need any facts and figures to discuss this topic. There is only one factoidal truth worthy of note regarding this matter: Meachem has been a disappointment thus far given his first round pick status.
Usually, it seems the word "bust" is used most often in relation to Reggie Bush more than any other player on the Saints roster. Understandable (sort of) given his draft position as the second overall pick in the 2006 draft and a college highlight reel the length of Schindler's List. The bar was set incredibly high. But Robert Meachem has got to be considered a better candidate than Reggie for the title of biggest bust currently on the Saints. The truth is, they were both first round draft picks and that does come with a certain level of expectation no matter where in the round they were drafted. Opinions might still vary regarding whether or not Bush has met those expectations but most could probably agree that Meachem most certainly has not.
It's not that Meachem has underperformed, however. Quite the contrary. He gets a pass for his first season - lost due to injury - but looking at his stats from last year reveals that he has actually made the most of his opportunities. Nearly 300 yards from only twelve catches for an average of over 24 yards per catch. Three of those catches were for touchdowns. He was used to run the ball just once, an end around most likely, and gained twenty yards on the play. The problem has been more Meachem's lack of opportunities. Whether that's because he's been slow to learn the playbook or just gotten lost in a crowd of talented receivers, I couldn't begin to speculate. The point is that I expect more than twelve catches a year from a first round selection.
So this is Meachem's last stand. It's do or die time and the former Vol needs to finally make his presence felt on this roster and prove his worth. Otherwise he may find himself looking for a new team next season. But what can we expect from Meachem in 2009? Will this be his breakout season? What has been taking him so long? There are certainly lots of questions surrounding the receiver as we creep closer to training camp. He only has one more year to answer them.
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It's All Up to Payton
Meachem has performed when given the opportunity- you admitted it yourself. Payton wants Meachem on the roster- doesn’t seem to want to trade or cut him, but doesn’t play him. What he has accomplished in such minimal playing time is very difficult to do. But his stats prove, so far at least, that if he plays and you throw him the ball, he gets the job done. Not sure why the anti-Meachem approach by Payton, seems like he has given Devery huge opportunities even when he was dropping crucial passes. Seems to have patience with Henderson and others but not Meachem.
by Philinwood on Jun 22, 2009 6:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I kinda laugh at you calling this his last chance. Isn’t that Payton’s job to decide?
But I’m not sure Lance is going to be healthy in time this season, and I’m also not sure that he won’t be so far off in his timing at first that they’ll have no choice but to play Meachem and give him some chances.
So hey, maybe it will work out after all.
by FriarBob on Jun 22, 2009 6:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree this is his make or break year
But I’m not sure if he’ll get enough opportunities this season for us to truly evaluate him as we are sooo crowded at WR/TE.
I think much of what will determine it depends on how Lance and Marques come back from their injuries, how Devery does, what we see of Arrington this year, and how Shockey performs.
He seems to be the same type of receiver as DH, so I can’t see us keeping both of them in the coming years.
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by HansDat on Jun 22, 2009 7:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the bottom line
Is that Meachem has to play his way onto the field and that’s been the biggest disappointment for me. I think Payton would play him if he could trust him. He has caught a few long passes, but he’s also dropped some easy catches. We are very deep at WR, but it would seem Meachem’s physical tools would have give him an edge over just about everybody else on the roster IF he could put it all together. That’s a big if in my mind.
by SaintBevo on Jun 22, 2009 7:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Payton may trust him
but he may not have wanted to sit Moore, Colston, Shockey, Henderson or Patten (when he was on the team) or Reggie, (because Reggie is used similar to a wide out in the slot often). And, I think your contention about Meachem dropping passes may be a little harsh. I think he only dropped two passes, but I may be mistaken. He didn’t fumble toi my knowledge or have any penalties against him. Shockey’s a starter and everyone is all optimistic about him- talk about miscues- fumbles, drops, penalties. No, I think statistically, Meachem looks good. Personally, I think if we lined up Meachem wideout on one side of the field and Henderson on the other and then had one other receiver (Colston) or two other receivers (add Shockey) run medium depth don the middle, now we woud have top have an open receiver and a completion either deep outside or 20 yards in the middle of the field. There is no team that has the manpower to cover that lineup. Keep FB and PT in to block and outlet pass as desperation situation- no one could stop that.
by Philinwood on Jun 24, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Realistically speaking
they wouldn’t have to stop it. The Saints would be penalized for too many players on the field on every snap. At least in the 4 WR-2 RB set you described.
by coldpizza on Jun 24, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more of a make or break year
for Lance Moore, than it is for Meachem. Moore only signed his one year tender. Meachem’s still operating under his rookie contract. I see Meachem as more of a safety net at this point, than anything. Obviously, Moore’s stepped up to this point and I think it’s important for Meachem to develop that same level of confidence in both Payton and Brees this coming season. Which virtually interchangeable receivers in a pass heavy offense, I don’t think this will be a problem, provided he’s given that opportunity. By the same token, I don’t see much contract leverage there for anyone. If Moore asks for the moon, I expect him to walk. Henderson was in the same boat and settled for an affordable extention, much to my surprise/chagrin. Hopefully we’ll luck out and continue to have that sort of team first mentality — and/or general lack of interest by other teams — in our underrated WR corps.
by coldpizza on Jun 22, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good point about his contract status vs. Moore's
Given that idea, both he and Arrington might be in better position for the long run to prove themselves, than Devery or Lance. I think Wil-Mis-Pay are in a good position with all these guys being in different relatively early stages of career/contract status to leave us with a core of 3- 4 possible studs in our WR core in the long run.
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by HansDat on Jun 22, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of interest in WR
other teams have to apply some general formula to our WR’s ie.) the will get 75-80% of current production in other system. This would make sense that teams don’t want to make a low-ball offer or feel they would be better suited spending the full-contract money else where…. I do remember analysts discussing not that aspect of trades, but our WR production in general always carries the tag in Payton’s system … it’s like they have an asterisk next their names
by Norml912 on Jun 24, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
It’s comparable to WRs that play in a spread offense coming out of college. The difficulty in properly evaluating these players — or rather in determining their inherent value to your pro style offense — goes up exponentially under such circumstances.
That doesn’t mean they outright can’t play at the next level. Take Donnie Avery for example. He had a fairly productive rookie season last year for the Rams, after being drafted from the University of Houston. There’s also former Florida Gator Ike Hilliard, who’s enjoyed a better than average career in the NFL. I think a lot of the other “system” WRs, QBs, etc., that didn’t make it over the years probably COULD have, had they been given the extra time to learn the playbook.
You’re just hard pressed to find a head coach, offensive coordinator. etc., with that type of patience and time to spare these days. Most teams want NFL talent out of the gate. Obviously, a player who’s played at the NFL level for a few years will have at least become acclimated to the speed of the game, so it’s not like Devery Henderson’s head would be on a swivel quite as much as a rookie’s would, if both signed with the same team. But you have to think he’d be behind the eight ball to some extent, based on the type of offense in which he’s spent the last three years. And I think GMs are wise to that.
Actually, there’s no doubt in my mind that they are. Colston and Arrington were both 7th round picks. Moore, Copper and Patten weren’t drafted at all. The only top level talent guys in the lot are Henderson and Meachem and the former was selected by the prior regime. What you’re likely looking at is a hodge podge of system players who would excel marginally at best in most NFL offenses. Is that a knock? I guess if you want to take it that way. I see it as a decided advantage, as long as Sean Payton is calling the shots.
by coldpizza on Jun 24, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also in team's minds must be the issue of acquiring another team's good #2 wide receiver
And then finding out that they are not so good on your team, without the good #1 WR from his old team getting double covered and leaving the #2 open. Case in point, Tampa Bay trades for Alvin Harper (who ran #2 to Irvin in Dallas’ 90’s heyday), and then as Tampa’s #1, he stunk on ice.
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by HansDat on Jun 25, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big difference in being a number 2 and a number 1.
Number 1s take on the top CBs and DCs actually game plan for you. I dont think its Payton system as much as I thinks its Brees ball distribution. Brees tells his guys “you want the ball, get open and I’ll find you.” And he does!
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by squidlo97 on Jun 28, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was hurt when drafted
Is everyone forgetting that this bum was hurt when we drafted him and the Saints knew it? Our history with Tenn receivers should have been enough for us to stay away from him. I blame this bust completely on payton and his staff that drafted him. We didn’t need him when we picked him. We should have taken Cedric Houston instead, who if I remember correctly, returned an interception for a touchdown against us. Or at least take Olsen, the tight end. Then we would not have to be messing with all of Shockey’s antics.
by tumble40 on Jun 22, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Saintsational on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Not suprise another hate on Robert Meachem post. Everyone who saw Meach at minicamp and ota said nothing but postive things about him. It not a make or break year for him. Coach payton said this will be Meach second year and last year was he rookie year.
by nellonfire on Jun 22, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could you please explain to me
where I hate on Robert Meachem? I don’t believe I made any unkind remarks about Meachem.
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by Saintsational on Jun 22, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's referring to our responses
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by HansDat on Jun 22, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that you Robert?
Don’t hide…it’s ok. We just said we’ll give you another year to prove your worth. Don’t be so sensitive…
Who IS the Stig?
by Hollywoo! on Jun 22, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why the Saints ever draft WR’s in the 1st. Meachem was the biggest mystery I can think of offhand, but our sweet round for WR’s is clearly 7. Martin and Colston were 7th rounders, and, other than Joe Horn, who had journeyman written all over him before he got here as a free agent, those were/are our finest. Meachem and Stallworth were 1st rounders, and like Meachem, Stallworth’s early years here weren’t super impressive. I think he will be much more productive than last year, especially if Colston or Moore can’t stay on the field, then somebody, likely him or Moore, is getting traded at a higher value than they would have this year. WR talent is not nearly as important to us as WR/QB rapport. Good hands and attending practice make Saints receivers worth their salt.
by FuSoYa on Jun 22, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
possibly make or break
i’m disappointed that he has not been a bigger factor in his first two seasons, regardless of the reason.
whether he’s make or break this year is iffy imo. there’s always need for a quality back-up. hopefully he lights it up this season, but if not perhaps he’s a solid backup. it’ll depend on the dollars he would cost and whether or not the spot can be filled cheaper. my guess is that if he has a so-so season, some team is going to throw a large free-agent contract at him, hoping he breaks out. from what I hear, there is a concern about his desire to excel.
by drbonne on Jun 22, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Stallworth was good in his rookie and final year with the team. I think he led the team in rec and yards that year and you can look it up your self. Meach and Stallworth are two different type of player. Coach Payton , Drew Brees, and Pierre Thomas all said how hard they see Meach working his but off this offseason. So i guess all them wrong. I have faith in Robert Meachem and New Orleans Saints. People like you (saintsational) who would write something negative about a player who trying to get rid of that label you call bust.
by nellonfire on Jun 22, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Working hard...
…doesn’t always equal playing great. It’s unfair, but it’s true.
And again, I would like to emphasize that I haven’t really been negative towards Robert Meachem, just sharing my disappointment with everyone.
I see where you are coming from nell, but I just don’t agree with you.
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by Saintsational on Jun 22, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you have been negative on him, really
But, he has played well, actually exceptionally well, when given the opportunity. Look at his stats- if you extrapolate them out for a whole season- like he got as many chances as Moore, he’d be in the Pro Bowl!!!
by Philinwood on Jun 24, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WR is the only spot on the roster anybody can be very comfortable with, in terms of depth, and Meachem is vying for a 4th or maybe 3rd spot as a 1st round pick. It’s tough for him, because he does seem to be developing. He will play high caliber football for somebody, just not so sure the stars will ever align for him as a Saint. But if he and Moore both get 50 catches this year, I may take him(if it ever mattered what I thought about it). So might the Saints. But they are SOO deep with talent at that position, they will have to make some decisions at that spot in the near future, and, for better or worse, they just signed Henderson long-term, which effectively eliminates him from the list of expendable receivers. Meachem is still playing catch-up with newly-crowned “brilliant” journeymen who have proven their ability to be where Brees wants them.
by FuSoYa on Jun 22, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On a side note,
if any Saints office personnel ever read this, for the love of God, sign Derrick Brooks already! His character alone makes him worth the roster spot, not to mention the help we need in that area for one year. Our rookie LB is sidelined for a year, the vet we had retired for the second time, and Brooks outplayed Morgan on his worst day. The Saints are clearly not opposed to hiring a veteran linebacker, and there’s a Hall Of Famer willing to play for a minimal one-year deal, from our division! I can’t see the downside.
by FuSoYa on Jun 22, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would rather sign him a couple weeks into training camp.
I wish we could get a hand shake agreement with him on the side to sign at a prearranged date. In the mean time let the younger guys get as many reps and playing time in TC and preseason. Brooks doesnt need the extra wear and tear and at this stage and probably nothing left to learn. I would like to get younger and faster but that seems like something for next year.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 22, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make or break year? WTF?!
Meachum Is a big guy with great speed who has produced when given the opportunity. He is going into his 3rd season when young players start to “get it”. He has shown flashes when give the opportunity. He has shown to be a hard worker.
Let him go like other guys the Saints have given up on and watch him come back in another Jersey and destroy us. The bust label is ridiculous. He hasnt lived up to draft position is short sighted and uninformed. He was hurt which they knew about his 1st year. He was buried on the depth chart by guys who flat out produced. Yet when he was on the field he showed up and showed up pretty big. He is right on schedule and we are lucky he isnt a bust as 1st WR have a very high bust rate. His problem isnt being a failure but being on a team that is pretty stacked at WR.
Id like to see him opposite of Colston with Moore in the slot. His hands will be much better this season as he wont be on the field thinking as much but rather reacting. Being an LSU fan I love Devery and want to see him spell Colston and Meachum and play in 4 WR set. I just think Meachum has better hands and provide a bigger target and better matchups for us. Payton even mention that Meachum looks good out there and seems to know what he is doing and where he is going.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 22, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he'll get playing time if...
1. someone goes down.
2. he knows the playbook.
If i recall correctly, one of his biggest problems has been understanding the playbook enough to satisfy payton. He has produced big yards when he has caught the ball. I would like to see him slide into the #3 spot and henderson go to the #4. also, the last time we had a post about arrington, there were quite a few people saying that he was just like colston and would like to see him starting opposite of him. we have too much depth at wr. it’s hard for everyone to crack the starting 2 or 3. I think that Colston and Moore have the #1 and #2 spots locked up. The #3 spot still seems to be in the air with payton favoring Henderson. I would say that thus far, and i emphasize the thus far part, he has been a bust. i don’t count his rookie season because he was hurt either. he hasn’t produced enough for him to be a 1st round draft pick, especially on a team that needed defense. I do not think that this is a make or break season for him however unless he demands a big deal. he will probably get another 2-3 year deal after this at least as a top quality backup. I hope that he replaces henderson as the #3 spot w/ henderson and arrington being our backups. meachem has been good in camp so far from what i’ve heard. i expect him to step up a little this year but he’ll have a breakout season next year and that will be his make or break season.
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by skinnykinney on Jun 22, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he is signed through 2011
But next year could be uncapped and it would throw everything up in the air I think
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by Saintsational on Jun 22, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is a bust because he hasnt produce enough.
I dont really buy into that thought process overall and not at when it comes to WRs and QBs. These are the 2 biggest positions that bust. I read some where that 1st round WR bust at 60-65%. that tells me its a hard position to draft and a hard position to learn.(Colston is an abbreration) These guys need a little time. If they go to a team that happens to stacked at that position it may be longer.
Payton offense is complex. He is also a Parcells diciple and he he notorius for not playing rookies unless there is no other option or in a plainly rebuilding mode.
I think RBs and CB probably have the shortest learning curves. Alot of instincts go into those positions. These guys you should definitely be showing alot by year 2.
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by squidlo97 on Jun 22, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't produce if they don't 1) put you on the field 2) throw the ball to you.
Look at his stats. He produced more than any first or second year player who only had a dozen or so passes come his way. How can you catch a football that is not thrown to you?
by Philinwood on Jun 24, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame Sean Payton and Drew Brees
The problem is that the saints have an offensive innovator at head coach and great QB that knows the key to having a successful campaign is to get the ball to multiple targets so that defenses can’t key in on one guy. The man (just like every other receiver on the team) has performed when given the ball. This is a great problem to have! Also, who’s spot is he gonna take? Colson? Moore? Henderson? I believe that with David Patten now gone, Bush & Colston healthy and now that the Lance Moore secret is out, they will now have to contend with what I believe to be the most explosive receiver on the team. Seeing that he faster than colston, bigger than moore and henderson, just maybe that mad genius named Payton new this all along and has been waiting to spring it on the NFL????
by Saint for life on Jun 22, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lost in a Crowd
I think you hit the nail on the head. Without a doubt, wide receiver is the deepest position we have. With all the talent ahead of him, he just didn’t get his chances. When he did get them, it appears he made the most of them. Being hurt the first season didn’t help, but if you just look at last year he would’ve done good for a rookie. I think they’ll use him more this year and he will prove himself to be worthy.
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by dicecar18 on Jun 22, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he's the most talented receiver on th e team....
he has the size lance and devery lack, the speed colston lacks. it takes three years for most players to ‘get" the receiver position, if ever. colston is a phenom, but he is maxed out, he is playing he best football now. meachem is about to play his best. we are spoiled, this is the best receiver core ever to don the black and gold. meachem would be a star on any other team. lance may not see his starting spot again. like nesbit losing his spot to nicks, it’s up to meachem to earn his spot in camp and preseason. if he plays to his potential, the job is his.
by r c a on Jun 22, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meachem is a good ball player . He has to develope a trust with Drew ,I think we can count on him to be about a 30 to 40 catch per year player if he stays of the IR and he needs to learn the playbook and run better routes. If he goes where Drew wants him he will become the number 2 WR on the roster.
by vasaints12 on Jun 23, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Saintsational on Jun 23, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
This is Meach’s last chance. The guy can’t run routes after how many years? I’m pretty sure THAT is why Payton won’t allow him on the field.
by xen-cuts on Jun 23, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've long suspected the same
It may not be a matter of not knowing how to run routes, but not knowing how to break off routes and make adjustments, like during blitzes. If you’re the hot receiver, and the defense blitzes, and you’re nowhere to be found…you take a seat.
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by MtnExile on Jun 23, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely...
I think he is better than Payton is giving him credit for, but Payton doesn’t like the kid very much. So now we have what, 3 receivers who are fast but can’t run routes? Devrey is the best of that bunch and an LSU product.
Meach has so much talent—tall and fast! But if he can’t get it together with Brees throwing to him, I don’t know who he can get it together for?
by xen-cuts on Jun 24, 2009 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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