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What Must Reggie Do?

New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush (25) sprints with the ball after catching a pass during football practice at the team's training facility in  Metairie, La., Friday, June 5, 2009. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

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5 months ago: New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush (25) sprints with the ball after catching a pass during football practice at the team's training facility in Metairie, La., Friday, June 5, 2009. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

I didn't see a story here posted this morning and since I've got a few minutes to kill in the Charlotte airport, I figured what better way to spend my time than putting together a quick post. 

Let's talk about one of the most sensitive Saints subjects over the last few years: Reggie Bush.

We know how controversial Reggie is as a player and threads about his production, future and roll are always a hot topic and spark great debate. But I don't want to discuss Bush's past today, I want to discuss his future and my question to everyone is simple: What does Reggie Bush have to do this season to finally quiet the skeptics and gain 100% of Saints fans' respect? I'm talking hard numbers here. What kind of yardage does Reggie need to amass in 2009 to keep the haters satisfied? How many touchdowns must he score to finally prove himself?

I look forward to reading the subsequent comments. 

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Congratulations, Dave; and have a good trip

145 carries for 600 yards (includes a few end arounds)
75 receptions for 600 yards

Throw in a couple of punt returns for TD’s

Positive attitude, team player, no controversies, no distractions (e.g. Kim pregnancy scare)

It's a pity there's nobody here to witness the end,
save for my dear, old friend and confidante,
Mademoiselle Kitty...Kitty...Kittile.

by stujo4 on Jun 29, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, 1200 total yards

For a guy who plays from the backfield, the slot, and on punt returns, that’s probably not too much to ask…unless his body can’t handle that many touches per game in the NFL.

Barring that, I would just like to see Westbrook-esque consistent production as the “2” in a split back scheme.

Wait, I can simplify my desires for him further, and numerically: 16 to 20 complete games played in a row.

by FuSoYa on Jun 29, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BUSH/PAYTON

First and foremost Bush must stay healthy. Next Coach Payton must accept Pierre Thomas as his main RB. This will free Reggie to do the things that he excels at. I also think that Reggie must be used more downfield in the passing game to complement how he is already used. I also think that the Saints should run the ball once in a while out of the shotgun.

by Alvin Maxim on Jun 29, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What must Reggie do?

I say Reggie needs to get at least 800 plus yrds. rushing 1000 yrds. receiving total tds 20 (including punt return tds). Most importantly STAY HEALTHY!!!!!!!!

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by Saintsational on Jun 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Bush posts 1000 yards rushing and 20 receiving touchdowns, I suppose I could accept him as a valuable member of the Saints organization. But I’d really expect more from a guy as explosive as he was against the future actuaries and marine biologists of the PAC-10.

by FuSoYa on Jun 29, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I’m new at this. I don’t know the correct font for smarmy sarcasm.

by FuSoYa on Jun 29, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Careful Fu

Some people around here don’t take humor lightly, especially when speaking of Reggie. They will have you burnt at the stake before you find that font you are looking for.

Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !

by Big and Easy on Jun 29, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehh, I love the guy

but he’s a career jack-of-all-trades. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a 1000 yard rusher or a 100 catch receiver, but he’s a hell of a combination of both, plus circus-act punt returns! he’s like 70’s Jackie Chan out there. Great show, sometimes it looks like it would hurt a lot.

by FuSoYa on Jun 29, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised

that nobody has mentioned averages yet.

Reggie is a good receiver out of the backfield and a great return man. To be considered a “success” he needs to do one of two things:

1. Bring his rushing average up above 4 yards per carry…however many carries he actually gets. If Payton uses him less, he won’t meet those net yards that everyone wants…but if his average goes up, you can’t blame it on Reggie.

2. Be the difference in 2-3 games. If Reggie’s efforts in critical situations put us into the playoffs, who cares what his numbers are?

This is OUR year!

by MtnExile on Jun 29, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

By the way

Trent Green is expecting Reggie to have “a monster year.”

This is OUR year!

by MtnExile on Jun 29, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree

on the 4.0+ average on rushes. It’s insane that he’s going into his fourth year as a pro and still hasn’t reached that standard.

2000 all-purpose yards is what I’m looking for. He’s averaging 227 touches per season, including considerable time missed due to injuries. At that pace, 4.4 yds per touch will get him there. For a player that can bring it every which way but loose, I really don’t think that’s too much to ask. Brian Westbrook racked up 2183 last year, despite playing hurt and returning only 4 punts all season.

TDs I could care less about. As long as he’s contributing heavily to better field position, I have enough confidence in his offensive teammates to seal the deal the majority of the time.

by coldpizza on Jun 29, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

600 yds/145 carries = 4.138 yds/carry

He doesn’t have to be the hero. If he just does his job, he should be fine.

All I hear are screams from outside the limousines
That are taking me out of my mind.

by stujo4 on Jun 29, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of gathered

that’s what you’d be satisfied with from the first time you typed it.

by coldpizza on Jun 29, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exile, I rescind my demand for 1200 all-purpose yards and side with your second scenario. His prolific combination of success in offensive odd-jobs should merit respect. I imagine the coverage and looks he draws on plays in which he’s not featured are as valuable as his crazy cuts and counters and returns. Plus he clearly wants success badly. He’s the most bizarre offensive weapon I can think of offhand. He gets the small victories when we need them; 1st downs from checkdown passes, field position and td’s from returns. He’s 16 consecutive games away from being worth the draft pick.

by FuSoYa on Jun 29, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Numbers we don't need.

It’s plays. Playmakers can’t make the play if they’re not in the game. If he can stay injury-free and make the explosive plays that he makes when healthy, who cares how many yards he puts up?

I think the top two things Reggie and the Saints must do is stay healthy and manage the expectations of fans and the media. Being a number one draft choice doesn’t necessarily equate to a number of touches or total yards. It’s effectiveness at contributing to the final score, all season long. If that means he’s a decoy that draws the defense off the ball, then he contributes.

If Reggie gets his 2000 total yards, mostly on dead-end drives, and the Saints go 8-8 again, did it make a difference? If he only gets 1200 yards, but comes through in the clutch and contributes to the final score, it will.

Do you know what it means...

by MissingNO on Jun 29, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this:

“If Reggie gets his 2000 total yards, mostly on dead-end drives, and the Saints go 8-8 again, did it make a difference? If he only gets 1200 yards, but comes through in the clutch and contributes to the final score, it will.”

I also agree with this:

“If Reggie gets his 2000 total yards, the odds are much better that 60% of those 2000 yards (1200 yards) will have contributed to the final score, than 100% of 1200 total yards gained.”

by coldpizza on Jun 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im with the Pizza Man

I would like to see him amass chaotic numbers like everyone watchin him, but i would take 16 to 20 full games played, and most importantly id like to see him come through in the clutch. all great football players want the ball in their hands when the games on the line, id like to see him step up and make best on the oppurtunities he prys away from drew. health and consistency, and definitely alot of punt returns for tds n the 4th quater would help him get that respect.

Dome Patrol meet drew n company, new orleans meet super bowl glory

by SaintCeasar on Jun 29, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

rather fusoyas comment

on health and full season particapaion

Dome Patrol meet drew n company, new orleans meet super bowl glory

by SaintCeasar on Jun 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the saints wanted to

I think Reggie is a beast in the art of a running back; the only thing is he can’t run the ball. Reggie is going to need at least 1,200 rushing yards to be even called a running back. All that Reggie really does is give the saints an advantage to throw the ball which is very effective. If the saint could find a strong power back the can go dual running back formation or even put Reggie in the third wide receiver slot that would give the saint the advantage to get short yardage fast and that would put Reggie in the open field to break it for a big one.

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by Saintsational on Jun 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What must reggie do?

The answer to that question is simple, stay healthy for the whole season because before he got hurt last season, he was playing well. Reggie just needs to stay healthy then everything else will fall into place Simple.

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by Saintsational on Jun 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see him stay healthy, contribute, don't get caught saying something stupid to the media, and help us win the Super Bowl

I think that might mean a statline somewhere in the neighborhood of:

1000+ yards rush/rec, 10+ TDs (rush/rec), and 3-4 return TDs.

I’d also like to see a reduction in fumbles (especially those ones that require Payton to call for a review on his goal-line plunges).

I also like the point some folks have made about being able to overlook the little mistakes and a slightly underwhelming statistical performance if we have great team success, and he’s a positive contributor to that.

"Knock 'em the (- -) out!" - G Dub

by HansDat on Jun 29, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

800+ yards Rushing 800+ yards receiving...

if he’s averaging 4+ ypc on 12 carries a game then he’ll do that and with an average of 7.1 yards per catch for about 7 catches a game and he’ll be alright. I think 3-5 punt returns is doable to. As far as his comments go…different people do different things to stay mentally strong so him talking about being MVP or the team going to the superbowl is ok in my book. I’d rather have that than a cancer on the team.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jun 29, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we're about on the same page

I said 2000 total yards. Provided he doesn’t get hurt and performs at the same level he did last year on special teams over 16 games, LESS than 800 rushing, 800 receiving would net him 2K total.

by coldpizza on Jun 30, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he has to stay healthy of course.

lets see how he rolls.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jun 29, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

stay healthy

that’s all i want. if he gets healthy and can stay healthy throughout his career, things will fall into place. last year he was having a good year untill he got hurt. as far as stats go, i’d have to agree w/ tay. 800 yards rushing and 800 receiving. if he is healthy he should get that goal no problem. also, i would have to say less than 3 fumbles for the year and none in a crucial moment. as far as punt returns, put up a 15+ yard avg return w/ a 2+ going all the way. but to me, numbers don’t mean anything. i see what reggie gives to this team. when he was healthy, we went to the nfc championship. when he’s been hurt we haven’t made the playoffs. i will say that even if reggie does get hurt we go to the playoffs at least because our defense should be alot better. hopefully he will stay healthy along with the rest of our team. if he stays healthy along w/ a healthy defense and bress staying healthy we should be able to have a shot at the superbowl.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Jun 29, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TD's

The only number that anyone should care about is touchdowns. At least 15 to 20, don’t try to keep rushing him except for draws or reverses. In the 4th quarter once Pierre wears down the D then rush him against a tired D line. He needs to catch more screens and run more fake reverses, defenses didn’t know how to defend all the reverses and fake reverses the Saints used to run. Even have 4 WR’s and Reggie in the inside slot, then put him in motion to take the handoff and have him run against a bunch of DB’s. Bush shouldn’t even be lined up behind a FB in the 1st 2nd or 3rd quarters… Championship lock it up… Anyway, 400 yards rushing and 900 yards receiving should be about right.

by J Rock on Jun 29, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good ideal!

but it scares me sometimes, remember that Phillie game….“that hit he took”….he got up, but man that hurt me….and remember the Tampa game…the end around…..that we lost both the ball and the game….

by West Bank Saint(ATL) on Jun 30, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TDs

are typically a product of field position. If all you’re worried about is TDs, why not cut Reggie and sign a one dimensional RB for the league minimum? Someone like Leroy Hoard or Tommy Vardell, both who practically made a career of scoring from a yard out, neither of which were worth the 2nd overall pick in the draft by any stretch of the imagination.

Again, if TDs were all that mattered, we could sure use the money Reggie’s making to juke, jive and wail to improve the defense. I’m being sarcastic, of course. Scoring TDs isn’t a God given gift. Making defenders miss, consistently gaining enough yards per touch to move the sticks in less than four plays, that’s what truly matters in football, point blank. When you have a player of Reggie’s speed and quickness, that’s all you’re looking for. As much yardage as possible, in order to bring every other scoring option on offense into (or as close as possible to) the red zone. Whether he finishes the drive himself or not is prett much irrelevant. Nice bonus obviously, but certainly not as paramount as getting there.

by coldpizza on Jun 30, 2009 1:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well

I also said he should get about 900 yards receiving, I didn’t mean have him be the goal line back, especially when he is about 40 pounds too light anyway. What I meant was the less he runs the ball tiring himself out running into brick walls of linemen the quicker he would be when he catches his screens or runs reverses. If that would happen of course he would have a few more long plays for TD’s.

by J Rock on Jun 30, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am basically in agreement

I like the “over 4.0 yards per carry” theory. Other than that, I would also consider Reggie having a great year if the Saints went to the Super Bowl, regardless of his totals. If the Saints do that, (assuming Reggie stays healthy) Reggie’s totals won’t be as important and it is clear he contributes at many levels.

by Philinwood on Jun 30, 2009 7:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

needs over 4 yards per carry. I personally think that Reggie was well on his way to silencing the critics last season. If he had ended the season with 15 touchdowns last year (no matter how they came) noone would have had anything to say. He single handedly kept us in the game with Minnesota and our D couldn’t pull that one off. For the people that want him to be an every down back, it’s not needed. Almost all teams have a two/three back system. I’ll take PT getting the 1200 yds while Reggie gets 600/600.

by westbanker4L on Jun 30, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"He single handedly kept us in the game with Minnesota and our D couldn’t pull that one off."

Kind of easy to understand why, when you return two punts for TDs. It’s call lack of rest. If Reggie and the rest of the offense had been marching the ball down the field at roughly 4 yards a pop, instead of scoring in spectacular flurries, the Vikings wouldn’t have gotten as many offensive possessions and the Saints would have won. Of course, you can go round and round with arguments like that. It’s comparable to lauding John Elway as the Comeback King, then asking “why was Denver trailing in the first place?”

by coldpizza on Jun 30, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

While it’s a hoot to watch our lightning-quick scoring drives, it has occurred to me a lot these past few years that they, as much as injuries or a plain absence of talent, could be responsible for the constant shootout scenario the Saints find themselves in. Several of those “3 points or less” losses could have just as easily been won if our final scoring drives were a little less theatrical, and a little more methodical. In that Minnesota MNF game, for example, we left almost exactly two minutes on the clock after our final score, with the game tied. In that situation, the opposing team doesn’t even have to think touchdown. Just 25 yard line, clock control, field goal. The Saints either lost or nearly tied in time of possession a lot last year So we left several game outcomes in the hands of a defense that everyone understood was unreliable and soft against the mid-range and deep pass. The Saints were just anxious to heap more points on the board, which is great fun, until you realize that our undersized and apparently blind defense has to take the field for the 18th series that game, with all the marbles on the line. Which is where an effective north-south running game REALLY comes in handy. Not 33 points. 21 points and 42 minutes could do the job just as well.

by FuSoYa on Jun 30, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Ideally, a team should have a 50/50 balance of run and pass on offense, a 50/50 balance of defending the run and pass on defense and, generally speaking, a 50/50 balance between the overall strength of its offense and defense. Among those three, the only area where I think we’re even CLOSE to a 50/50 balance is on defense. And even that’s not at a satisfactory level. Equally mediocre, rather than equally superb.

Even worse, our shortcomings are all on the side of the scale that matters least. A team can win consistently with a run-heavy offense, because it controls the clock. A team can win consistently with a dominant defense, because it controls the clock. Our biggest strength. A passing offense. It’s a classic example of “what’s wrong with this picture?” only no one bothers looking at the ENTIRE picture. Why “let’s fix the defense” takes such precedence over “let’s balance the offense” is beyond me. I’ve said all along (and will continue to say until it’s accomplished), “let’s balance the offense … it will IN TURN help fix the defense”.

by coldpizza on Jun 30, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your analysis

I do think we had some defensive fixes to do, but balancing the offense will help the defense. So, I hope this year that the better defensive players we have gotten, the better DC and defensive players getting healthy will seem to make a HUGE leap on defense because I am optimistic that the offense will have a better balance = everything falls in place.

by Philinwood on Jun 30, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So let me get this straight

. Correct me if I’m wrong…You’d rather Reggie not return punts for touchdowns??? Are all points not good points? Too many times you see teams return a kick to the 10 or an interception to the 5 and then only get three points. Sorry but I’d take the points on the punt return.

by westbanker4L on Jul 1, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're talking about

a guaranteed TD either way, I’d much rather a time-comsuming drive than a quick score. I’m not blaming Reggie for scoring quickly. I’m also not blaming the defense for wearing down because of it. You can only ask for so much from such a mediocre collection of talent in the first place.

by coldpizza on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my mind

it’s more a question of the overall offensive philosophy. Clock control alone could have saved a few games for us last year. Those punt return touchdowns are great to watch, and valuable. They are what had us in the game in the fourth against Minnesota. But some of Peyton’s offensive playcalling genius ends up hurting us down the stretch. Unintended consequences, I guess you’d call it, but our defense had serious holes, yet we forced them on to the field alot by not slowing down the tempo on offense when we could. It could mean little more than letting the playclock run down a little more often, backing off of the no huddle, or receivers(and most of all, Bush) staying in bounds when they get hit. Power running is the traditional solution to clock control, but the 49er’s west coast style got that job done just as well. I think it’s more a matter of considering the game outcome during every drive.

by FuSoYa on Jul 1, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I mean, the absolute ideal situation for any team would be to take the opening kickoff, use 24 seconds of game clock prior to every snap, gain exactly 2.5 yards on every play, never get penalized, never run out of bounds, never throw an incomplete pass, never punt, end every drive with a TD, execute onside kicks after every TD and recover them all, including the one to start the 2nd half, never give their opponent a possession at all, etc. Obviously, no one adheres to clock control that closely. But you’re right, there’s all sorts of little things you can do over the course of a game to better manage it and better your odds of winning considerably.

by coldpizza on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as entertainment value

I’d much rather watch a meticulous winning team, than an exciting .500 team.

by coldpizza on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reggie

He should keep on keepin on, and not try to become a every down back…that’s not what he is…He’s a playmaker and this year should have many of chances on proven that! Go Reg!

by West Bank Saint(ATL) on Jun 30, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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by Saintsational on Jun 30, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Durability and Turnovers

He had so much hype that I don’t think he’ll ever live up to it. Still, when on the field, it’s hard to find a back in the NFL who has been as productive as Reggie. I can’t ask anything more from him on the field – he’s produced and produced big for us – and in big situations. Where he can improve himself even further is having more durability and cutting down on the fumbles. Being a relatively smaller guy – this is not something he can necessarily control altogether.

by drbonne on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

simple

stay healthy.

The guy is the most dangerous offensive weapon in the league. He just needs to stay healthy.

by bstetiger on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This article should be re-titled:

What must Payton do?

I agree, Reggie needs to stay healthy. But Payton needs to use the guy correctly. Get him the ball in space and not in the backfield.

by xen-cuts on Jun 30, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

DON'T GET HURT

500 yds Rush 4TDS, 700 Rec 4TDS, PR 4TD, and Payton better not run him up the gut on 3rd and 1………..

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jun 30, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good answer Tay - rec'd it

to the question – What do we want to see on the field next year?

"Knock 'em the (- -) out!" - G Dub

by HansDat on Jun 30, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks man...

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 1, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RED CHEESE

My son and I bought a couple of Packers foam cheese wedge hats on eBay and spray painted them bright red. We wear them to the games every once in a while and chant “RED CHEESE! RED CHEESE!” Takes people a few seconds to catch on. Funny as hell, though. That’s kind of become our inside joke nickname for Bush over the last couple of years. It’s also a lot more polite than screaming “RUN THE EFF FORWARD!” Which I still tend to do quite often, while watching him dance on television.

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