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2009 Saints Minicamp: What Have we Learned?

I hope you all got your fill of New Orleans Saints football for the time being because that's it. It's over. You won't be seeing anymore until training camp gets underway later next month. The team has just a couple of weeks of OTA's remaining, all of which are closed to the public, before they get some final vacation time. As we say goodbye to this three day tease they call minicamp I wanted to recap some of the major (and not-so major) themes I think are most important and open this bad boy up for one last discussion. 

 

Shockey's Back

You know how I know Jeremy Shockey is going to return to form and have a great season on the field in 2009? Because off the field he has become the attention-grabbing, media magnet that all NFL fans have come to know and love. Shockey has done a pretty good job of staying out of the spotlight since coming to New Orleans. Unfortunately, he's also done a fine job of staying out of the end zone too. But The Shockmeister has made a return to national headlines with this most recent incident in Vegas. And wouldn't you know it - he had a damn good minicamp weekend too. I'm starting to think the off-field controversy and on-field production go hand it hand. Regardless, Shockey is creating a buzz and as of now it's the good kind. Don't kill my buzz.

 

Secondary No Longer Primary Concern 

If Who Dat Nation wasn't talking about Shockey this weekend than they were talking about the ridiculously upgraded secondary. Though nothing is guaranteed when it comes to Saints football, with so many new talented faces on this years team the odds just have to be in favor of improvement. And if the increased depth doesn't get you excited, the fact that the secondary actually looked good this weekend should. Sharper, Jenkins and Greer all made interceptions on Saturday while Harper, Porter, Torrence and Reis each knocked down passes. Even Danny Gorrer is stepping it up. If we learned absolutely anything this weekend it's that the secondary should be better in 2009. Comforting, I know. 

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Is Different Better?

It was my main point when I gave my report back from Friday's minicamp and it's been a major theme of this weekend. The Saints defense has been given an extreme makeover worthy of Fox's The Swan. We're seeing different fronts and blitz packages. Gregg Williams was even tinkering with the 3-4 this weekend. I caution everyone to try and curb their enthusiasm because different doesn't necessarily mean better. It does, however, raise a million questions about what to expect this season.

 

Mike Bell Running Away With It

The battle for that third running back position will be intense this year but given the nature of minicamp we didn't really get a good look at the competition. If I had to pick a front-runner, though, it would have to be Mike Bell. He seemed to garner the most attention and praise from the media this weekend, moreso than Lynell Hamilton, P.J. Hill and Herb Donaldson. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens in training camp   

 

Injuries are Scary

There were some injury scares this weekend with regards to a couple of players. First was, who else, Dan Morgan who left practice Friday with a calf injury. Darnell Dinkins was out with an ankle. Then Sedrick Ellis tried to hack Pierre Thomas's wrist off and Jammal Brown did his best Shockey impression (dehydration). Don't forget Scott Shanle missed time with a calf injury as well. All of which should hauntingly remind us of last season. It's frustrating to be reminded how quickly the potential for a great season can come crashing to an end at the hand of injury but unfortunately it's part of the game. All we can do is hope for some better luck this season. 

 

Sean Payton is the Next Steven Spielberg

I don't know about you but I thought the story about Payton shopping his "XBox Kid" movie script was the most interesting news of the weekend. I'm sure it will be just a shell of it's original self once Hollywood gets its hands on it, but learning about Payton's creative side was certainly the most shocking fact of the weekend. 

 

Biggest Surprise Players

Mike Detillier says Danny Gorrer and Jermy Parnell have been impressive.

 

Why Didn't We Hear Much About...

Chip Vaughn? DeMario Pressley?

 

Whose Job is in Jeopardy?

Glenn PakulakThomas Morstead drew praise for his big leg and his hang time. 

 

Who Picked Up Right Where They Left Off?

Billy Miller. He continues to be underrated and a fan favorite.

 

Quote of the Weekend

Billy Miller again... 

"If Jeremy Shockey is at the best of his ability, Billy Miller in year 11 is going to win a Super Bowl," Miller said. "And that's all that matters. Nothing else really matters at my age but winning. Not money, not any of that. Just winning ball games.

"Jeremy Shockey was brought in to be the starting tight end and to provide me with a nice shiny ring."

 

Popular Minicamp Trend

The Times-Pic reports that Courtney Roby, Roman Harper, Jason David, Skyler Green and Anthony Waters all have mohawks. 

 

Completely Stupid Random Fact

There are three players on the current roster with the last name Evans. Jahri, Heath and Troy. 

 

Feel free to now discuss anything else you think I've missed and offer your final thoughts on Saints minicamp. 

 

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Shockey doesn't need to have a great year

There’s been a lot of talk about Shockey needing to have a great year, and that would be excellent. But, he really only needs to do his assignments well and catch the ball when it is thrown to him and not fumble. He could have a GOOD year very easily and the Saints could have great success. Think abouit it, we are going to get Reggie his touches, and Colston, Moore, Pierre, Devery and I am going out on a limb and saying Meachem will be in the mix. Then Billy Miller has been terrific and he will get a few touches and then I think we may see Heath Evans touch the ball 3-4 times a game such as short passes and short runs. Mike Bell or whoever is the power runner should (possibly) get a few touches (maybe 2 or 3). Now, if we put just a little more emphasis on running the ball like we should, there are only so many touches for a TE to go around. Shockey just needs to be good, not great. We have so many weapons that I am concerned that if he is not averaging a TD per game and 8 passes and 80 yards receiving per game, everyone will see where is Shockey and he is over the hill, etc. and it will snoball and Shockey will ignite. All he has to do is be solid, makes his blocking assignments, run his routes, do his reads. He doesn’t have to have a pro-bowl year and it will be difficult to have a Pro-Bowl year with all the weapons we have.

by Philinwood on Jun 8, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Different is better

If you’re of a mindset, as many of us have been since the middle of last season, that the defensive woes were mainly due to Gary Gibb’s scheme, then different is definitely better. Sure, we could find out that we were wrong and it wasn’t Gibbs but the players to blame, but I don’t see any real chance of that happening at this point. Gibbs had never been a NFL DC before coming here to work under his good buddy Sean Payton. He was a linebackers coach and has now returned to that role for the Chiefs. Gregg Williams not only has many years of experience as a NFL DC, but years of success at the position as well. Any news about the D being more aggressive and not-so-easily figured out is good news. They will be much improved and won’t give up nearly as many points this season. Mark it down! When the fantasy football draft arrives, I’m picking the Saints D for my teams. That’s how ridiculously optimistic I am. Now, please excuse me for a moment as I down these Prozac with a shot of whiskey. :-)

Seriously though, I truly believe a different DC is all we’ve needed the past two seasons to get us to the playoffs.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Jun 8, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Satchmo is dead on!

I am optimistic and I think an earlier change in DC would have paid big dividends because I liked the defensive talent the Saints had last year and I LOVE the talent this year. A change in DC should be huge. Then we just have to stay healthy. Injuries were a big issue last year and even though no one wants to use that as an excuse, it was one banged up defense.

by Philinwood on Jun 8, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Primary Defensive Concern??

I think the primary defensive concern is no longer the secondary as stated, but I think it now becomes (and possibly always was) the pass rush. Pass rush and defensive secondary performance go hand in hand. I am somewhat optimistic about the pass rush, but until it becomes a reality it is clear in my mind it is our primary concern- especially with the looming DE suspensions. And, i also think EVERYTHING flows from the pass rush. If that is working, stopping the run is easier and defensive secondary plays is up a notch. Confidence exudes from a defense that gets pressure on the QB. It even gets the offense going.

by Philinwood on Jun 8, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd it

and i agree completely about having to get some pass rush. if we are able to get to the qb it should lead to more sloppy passes which could translate into picks. also, if the D-line is penetrating then it just leaves the linebackers to cover the holes left. i’m sold on fujita and vilma being able to make the tackles but who will start at the other olb spot.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Jun 8, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense = $$$$ this year

The only weakness I see on the D right now, on paper, is depth at DT. Other than that, we are strong. If you look back to last year, our problems were Gibbs, kickers, and injuries, and we were still 8-8. That’s not a great record, but if you look at it in the context of what was going on, then you’ll see that we were just a couple of issues that held us back. We’ve fixed the kicker problem as far as I’m concerned. Injuries are still a possibility, but if you have the right coaches to get the most out of every player, the injuries can be neutralized. If you look at our depth at CB and DE, you’ll see one of the deepest in the league in my opinion.
CB – Porter, Greer, Gay, Jenkins could all be starters
DE- our “backups” are McCray, Hargrove, Spicer, and Charleston
I feel any of these “backups” could produce just as much as the starters.

Then comes Gregg Frick’n Williams. Let’s imagine for a second that you are G. Williams. You have depth with different skill sets at 2 of the most important positions on the D. What do you do?
If it were me, I wouldn’t have starters, I would have situational enforcers. I can run man, zone, zone blitzes, run blitzes, Cover 1,2,3, 4-3, 3-4, 4-6, and not worry if my starters are fit for them. I have the personnel and talent to fit whatever I want without putting players “starters” who don’t fit it out on the field. Last year we were injured on the field and paralyzed in the booth. This made us predictable. Look at what Matt Ryan did too us. There is no reason a rookie should be able to do that to a professional D. He averaged a 70% completion against us with an average of 115 qb rating. Against Car and TB, he had 60 & 90 and 30 & 57 qb ratings. He didn’t do great or average against average teams. He got his notoriety from playing against crappy D’s including ours. Hell, Tyler Thigpen scared me last year. I don’t see that happening again this year.
My little tidbits as of right now.
Dan Morgan will be a force.
Dunbar doesn’t make the team. Casillas will do to his speed in this D.
Mike Bell will have an important role this year.
Grant will be released.
Our D will be a force
Shockey will impress this year and have his best year as a Pro
Meachem will make his way to #1 receiver on the team by next year.
How long before G. Williams gets offered a HC job somewhere else? Give us at least 3 years please.

WHO DAT

by pukenbowl on Jun 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know about how long we could hang onto GW… he flubbed his last HC job. I doubt it was (entirely) his fault, mind you, but that ought to buy us a few years at least. And who knows, if he really makes our D kick butt he might decide sticking around is more fun.

by FriarBob on Jun 8, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like what you are saying

makes a lot of sense- I think you clearly know what you are talking about. Whiitling this roster down to where it has to be sept 1 will be really difficult. Do you think Dunbar is good enough to play in this league- just not good enough to play on the Saints? Maybe letting go of Grant would be a good idea- I think someone would pick him up eventually. Do you think Pressly will make the squad?

by Philinwood on Jun 8, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It probably got a little muddled

and I hope you deciphered what I was saying.

Personally I think Dunbar is hyped up because of that hit (you know which one) and everyone’s desire to see someone overtake Shanle. He got pushed around and was run at when he did get playing time (IMO). I don’t want to say that he can’t play in the league, but we can assume that there will be 6-7 LB’s on the team.
Vilma
Fujita
Morgan
Shanle
Simoneaux (not the best, but versatile)
Casillas will get the nod for his speed (Cover-2 type situations)
Anthony Waters (somewhat of a dark horse)
*
Marvin Mitchell plays well in Run/Goalline type situations
*
*Troy Evans is another STer with similar abilities to Dunbar, but more size.

Like you said, it’ll be really difficult to whittle it down. I’m not saying that these guys are so much better, but each one brings something that I believe will give them the nod over him. I’ve been wrong before, so.
I try to keep my homerism and opinion out of saying that Grant will be gone, but if Gregg Williams is anything like what is written, then I don’t see how Grant makes it.
He came in overweight, (based on the pics), and Williams doesn’t care how much money you make. His production has been down the last few years, regardless of injury. The whole 4 month suspension. All of this adds up in my mind as signs that he may be looking for work to feed his kids elsewhere.
I think Pressly makes it based on our Depth at the position. We really haven’t seen anything from him to make any knowledgeable comment.

WHO DAT

by pukenbowl on Jun 8, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LBs

only weakness I see on the D right now, on paper, is depth at DT

I think LB is a weakness. Vilma is great and Fujita is solid, but beyond that it gets a little iffy. I’m not prepared to assume that Morgan will be good when he hasn’t played in 2 years.

by SaintBevo on Jun 8, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

for validating my concerns.

by coldpizza on Jun 8, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll get an "if" in then

If Morgan comes in and plays 75% of his abilities from 3 years ago, is that an improvement.
I can see where you’re coming from though. I don’t really care for Shanle, and I think Fujita is like you said, solid, but not out of this world.
And notice that I said “on paper”. The only definite position weakness is DT depth, IMO.

WHO DAT

by pukenbowl on Jun 8, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My biggest concern with the defense

at present are the urine-poor reactionary skills of our OLBs. Their speed and athleticism is about on par with the rest of the league. And when I say “on par”, I mean average. As in “mediocre”. The ability to diagnose plays quickly, penetrate, swarm, do whatever it takes to get to the ball carrier, as well as cover the flat on screens and match up with tight ends downfield. Do we currently have the personnel to do that? When you look at some of the biggest plays the Saints defense have given up over the last couple of years, a lot of have come against the secondary, but even more have occurred in those areas. Within the responsibility of the OLBs, I mean. I’ll be perfectly honest, Tony Gonzalez and Kellen Winslow in the NFC South scares me. Turner, Norwood and DeAngelo Williams’s speed on the outside terrifies me. Of course, this isn’t a newfound fear. The Saints haven’t had a stud pass rushing OLB since Darion Conner (as short-lived as that was), nor one that could rely solely on his quickness to break up plays since Mark Fields. Yet the status quo is maintained from year to year. It’s almost as if someone came to the conclusion that since we no longer have to worry about containing Michael Vick twice a year, OLB is no longer a priority. Not entirely, but also not to the point where they need to be. Shanle shouldn’t be a starting LB in the NFL. Fujita is the best OLB we have (by far) and even he should be being pushed for playing time. He’s not. It frustrates me that not only are we as pedestrian as we are in that area, but we’re seemingly content with that level of play. I dunno, maybe I’m just being too pessimistic. Dan Morgan will come up huge and Gregg Williams’s new schemes will make all the difference in the world, mark everyone else’s word.

by coldpizza on Jun 8, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll also add

that we just parted ways with one of the best CBs in the league, in terms of run support (McKenzie). I can’t rightly say where all of this outside containment is suddenly going to materialize from, but I will have my fingers crossed.

by coldpizza on Jun 8, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

We still dont have anyone on this defense that could cover Winslow or Gonzalez. Makes me kinda nervous. You’re also right about McKenzie, he was pretty leet run supporting corner. I’m hoping GW will figure something out though.

by fruly on Jun 8, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darion Conner

Nice reference, coldpizza. I, too, feel much worry over our LBs and stopping the run/TEs. I’d love to have it play out that GW has some sweet magic to pull out of his hat to make that area better.

"Knock 'em the (- -) out!" - G Dub

by HansDat on Jun 8, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dan Morgan to retire again

See my fanshot for more information. His agent is reporting that he’s hanging up his cleats due to ongoing injuries. Pat Y is also reporting this:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcsouth/0-12-33/Morgan-retires-from-Saints-again.html

This blows, but it’s probably the best thing for Morgan’s long-term health. Oh well, we weren’t really counting on him anyway.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Jun 8, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scratch your whole?

No thanks. :-)

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Jun 8, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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