Rethinking Dan Morgan's Re-Retirement

by Saintsational on Jun 9, 2009 6:00 AM CDT Comment 20 comments

I've had some time now to cool down and rethink my feelings about the Dan Morgan situation. He gets to flip-flop between playing football and being retired so why shouldn't I have the same right? This realization came to me while I was enjoying my House Pad Thai at Bangkok Thai Restaurant and here it is:You can't lose something you never had in the first place.

The Saints never had Dan Morgan. They aren't losing any production from last year. Bringing in Morgan was the equivalent of putting it all on black with the money you just won over at the craps table. It could only have been a plus.

I'm not claiming to be profound here. When I came home, I discovered that Mickey Loomis and I think alike. It's exactly what Loomis alluded to when he commented yesterday...

"I wouldn't call it a loss. A loss is when you plan to have to have something in place and it doesn't happen. That's a loss. Our thinking all along was that if he could come back and play at anywhere close to the level that he had played like in the past, that would be a bonus. It would have been a bonus if he had been able to recapture his past."

"We’re not out anything, we just didn’t gain anything."

Judging by the rest of his and Paytons comments, Morgan's retirement seems as much a surprise to them as it was to all of us. In fact, they may even have learned of the news the same manner in which we did - Twitter. Do I think it sucks? Yes. Does it make the earlier loss of Stanley Arnoux that much worse? Also yes. Do the circumstances surrounding the situation seem odd? A bit. Do I enjoy answering my own questions? Apparently.

I hope everything is alright with Dan Morgan and there aren't any deeper issues at play that we don't know about. I also wish him the best of luck in the future. But this loss doesn't hurt the Saints at all. And remember what we just learned from minicamp this weekend about the Saints completely revamped defense; If we really are going to believe that this is a completely different defense under Gregg Williams then shouldn't a lot of the improvement come by getting more out of the players the Saints already have like Shanle, Mitchell, Dunbar et al?

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Marcus Washington anyone?

by Brazil meets LA on Jun 9, 2009 6:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice write up, funny and informative. I like it.

by Registered CoonAss on Jun 9, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

There he is!!!

It’s about damn time you show up

Who IS the Stig?

by Hollywoo! on Jun 9, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm probably should have posted my comments here instead of the fanpost… well copy and paste works… :)

I do think we need another LB. I don’t think we need a GREAT corps of LBs but we do need to still TRY to improve. TEs are usually covered by LBs or the SS so it would probably help to grab one. I don’t think it’s critical, tho, as I figure Harper ought to be able to help here too. But I’d like us to bring in at least one more person to give us some potential here. So far the main thinking seems to be Ellis or Brooks.

The only problems I see with Ellis are 1) not sure if he’d really want to come, and 2) he really is a converted DE who played LB in a 3-4. That means that once again he’d be learning not only a new "base" position but also learning GW’s slew of schemes as well. That might be possible for an experienced guy like him, but he might not really want to go through all that. Then again, if he wants to have any realistic chance of winning a SB before he retires, and he doesn’t want to go to another 3-4 team like Dallas, there aren’t a whole lot of teams for him to pick from. So maybe that brings us up the list of possibilities. But at the same time what we really want him for is LB and he wants to play DE, so I call that a wash. I’d still like to get him, I just don’t think it will happen.

Brooks might be nice. I’m pretty sure he played a lot of Mike tho and that position is pretty well set, so unless he gets desperate he’s probably not going to be thrilled about being asked to come play OLB instead.

The more I think about it, the more I like pizza’s top two selections (from the other thread). Is Washington actually unsigned tho or would we have to trade for him? As far as Alexander, right now he’s probably on an off-season roster since there is no such thing as a practice squad in the offseason, so we’d likely have to trade for him too. I’d really rather they not do more trades at this point, we’ve only got six picks next year and we aren’t likely to end up with extras at this point… then again, trading for a player considered likely to be practice squad material might be something we could swing for a conditional seventh (becomes a sixth if he wins a starting position, becomes nothing if he gets cut before the season)… and that kind of deal I could definitely support.

by FriarBob on Jun 9, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

AAAAhhhhh!!!!!!

I haven’t been able to post for 3 days. I’m about to explode. Does Brooks want more money than we can pay? If not, a one year deal looks good to me. He was very productive last year and I can see him making an impact in GW’s sceme and playing with a chip on his shoulder especially against Tampa. He could blow up some offensive plays with his speed. Don’t forget the South has a lot of ggod TE this year and we will need speed at LB to cover them & blitz.

Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !

by Big and Easy on Jun 9, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it's unfortunate for the Saints,

but it’s hard not to think it’s the right move for Dan Morgan. He’s very fortunate to still be walking and talking, and it’s hard to justify him pushing his luck any more than he already has.

by GlackAndBold on Jun 9, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I too have since flip-flopped

It was a little irritating at first after hearing from him and Pat Y for the past four months about how he was in such great shape and ready to play, but I’m now more in belief that it’s the best thing for him and his long-term health. We haven’t really lost anything other than the faint hope that he could return to his earlier form and be a starter. It would have been horrible to see him eventually knocked unconscious and carted off the field. Best of luck to him.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Jun 9, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Morgan Done?

Haven’t posted in a week, when did it happen? personally, took the takem-leavem attitude with Dan Morgan. Retired for good?

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jun 9, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yup

Yesterday evening. Just left. Didn’t tell anyone.

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by Saintsational on Jun 9, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's kinda cheezy

The Saints organization gave him 2 opportunities to come back. The least he could have done was let them know something instead of just walking away like that. That’s the only problem I have with him. Was it guilt or lack of care that persuaded him to walk out like that? Either way, you’ve got to be a man about it and fess up that you can’t do it.
I was expecting good things from him if he made it through some of season. Oh well, really nothing lost.

WHO DAT

by pukenbowl on Jun 9, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ya know

I don’t wonder if maybe he was just a little pissed off about his injury. Frustrated that he just can’t stay healthy. Maybe he’ll cool off, realize he made a rash decision and come back. Didn’t they say he hasn’t formally retired? Maybe he and his agent just jumped the gun a bit.

If that was the case, then the question becomes…would we really want him back…again?

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by Saintsational on Jun 9, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you still gotta

give a little more respect to the organization if you are him

WHO DAT

by pukenbowl on Jun 9, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I Agree

This guy DID come out and say he was in the best shape of his life. Remember he did this before the draft and all. This could have but not likely impacted their pick. Maybee one of the USC linebackers could have worked but personally I want to stay away from USC after seeing what we have so far from Sed Ellis. I think Morgan is a clown though personally. It called commitment and he just dosent have it.

by Nuck When You Buck on Jun 9, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Welcome to CSC!!!

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by Saintsational on Jun 9, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's wrong with Big Sed?

Who IS the Stig?

by Hollywoo! on Jun 9, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sed is gona be a good player. He had a decent rookie season and will only get better with production from the DE positions and a blitzing aggresive defense.

by sernycrusher on Jun 9, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs