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And Now, Deep Thoughts...with ASaint: Part II

I have just gotten back to Da Chronic after taking a little break, and I gotta say it feels good to be back. I've played catch up and read a lot of thoughts and ideas in a small amount of time, so this could come out really choppy, but I think there are a few things that need to be said, and the soon to be 3 year old isn't around to tell me about her dire need for Scooby-Doo fruit snacks (I'm admittedly indulging in them right now...don't judge me).

Stu, glad to have you back.

Let's start with Sean Payton, and his "downward spiral." I do not agree with everything Sean Payton does. However, I can not and will not ask for someone to do more than they have done so far. All you windup toys calm down...I know we haven't won  a Superbowl...yet. And that's the point...yet. In the past three years, he has turned a historically underachieving mediocre team of losers, into a historically underachieving mediocre team of winners. And I don't give a damn what you say, that counts for something. That counts for a lot. Listen to the players in their interviews, they sound confident, they sound light-hearted, they sound educated, well mannered, and like real leaders. How many Saints do you hear in the media, minus a couple known exceptions that I'm not real fond of,  making asses out of themselves  sounding like ignorant babies. Sure, partly because the noose on media, more so because we are gathering a team of decent human beings, with exceptional human beings leading it.

Star-divide

I'm fully aware we have had back to back .500 seasons. Bottom line: We are addressing the problems. They have done it from day one, and they have done it well. The truth is that none of us know every factor weighing into the desicions these men make. I agree with a very large percentage of the decisions (or can at least understand them). I can't help but believe that a small percentage of the time I disagree with them, there isn't something I don't know floating around that would change my mind. The Houser thing looks bad and probably is what it looks like. But you know what? I don't give a damn. I think it's in the best intrest of the team. Actions have consequences. If EVERYONE in that situation kept that in mind, maybe it would have blown over better. Regardless, he is the only coach to take us to a NFC Championship. He is great in the community, we have the number one offense in the leauge...you know what, on to the next point.

Reggie. I was one of, if not the first on the PT bandwagon. Hell, I'm not gonna lie, I built the thing. As a matter of fact reference here. (That's kickin' it old school 16 votes) But here is the bottom line: Ask yourself this question, "Do I want Reggie Bush on any other team than the Saints?" The answer should be no, you should now realize now matter how he is utilized, or underutilized, he is an irreplaceable asset. No one can do what he does. We do not know what it is yet, but he's the only one. We could replace what PT does. PT is essential, but interchangeable. Reggie is a unique football player. Now that everybody is on board, let's roll.

Actually let's roll into this, I think we are taking it all the way this year. I really, truly believe it is going to happen. There is no convincing myself otherwise, I think the pieces are in place, I thnk the intangibles are in our favor, I'm not cautiously optimistic, I'm done, I'm all in, It's going down, I tried to not get caught because things go wrong, other teams get better too, etc. etc.. But I really don't give a shit anymore. I don't believe in magic, or jinxes, so screw it.  We are gonna be really happy at the end of this season because we finally did it. We suffered through it all becasue we knew that it would be that much sweeter in the end. Ladies & gentlemen, I believe we are about to cash in.

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by Saintsational on Jul 19, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

"All kind of knowledge, eventually becomes self knowledge" - Bruce Lee

by SBookerSaintsFan on Jul 19, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Read

I agree with your observation on the high level of character on the team during the Payton era. It seems like a group of good-natured, professional guys that we’re fielding these days. It is refreshing to have a whole team(almost) that you can admire for their efforts on and off the field. If Payton brought that to town, then Kudos. But as a coach, he is still emulating Jim Haslett’s career here. Brilliance and high hopes followed by mediocrity. I truly hope these boys break that cycle. The Houser thing is just a stupid, overblown “story” that illustrates that feeling. It doesn’t mean anything to the team. It may even help out to be rid of him. But it fits the Saints narrative, in a disappointing way.

Reggie may be a bit brittle for a running back, but if anyone in that squad has the heart to fill in for Deuce, it’s him. Also, he is a unique player in terms of what he brings to the game. My answer to your rhetorical question is no, I wouldn’t want him anywhere else.

I’m pretty new to this site. It’s been great reading and posting here during the offseason. I’m happy to have found a smart and funny gang of likeminded amateur Jimmy the Greeks, and I can’t wait to be here when the action actually starts.So for my part I’ll keep naysayin’, but I want victory as much as the next loudmouthed superfan, and it would be great if these guys could deliver it.

by FuSoYa on Jul 19, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

boom rec'd it

Don’t underestimate the power of positive thinking. 2007 Giants and even the 2008 Cards (pretty bad last quarter of the season) are models: Make the playoffs, play with confidence, and BELIEVE you can do it (Cards very nearly did it). I’m thinking 11-5, win the division, go to town.

But if I seem to act unkind, iIt's only me,
it's not my mind that is confusing things.

by stujo4 on Jul 19, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nay!

Oh no you don’t…Saint Graal? Sorry but you are not taking my hopes that up on your optimistic ladder! What can I say, I’ve been heartbroken before and I’m sick of it. On a serious note, I think they’re still way too many question marks out there to drop my new “boose won’t make the pain go away” cautious attitude. For instance :

How will Bush, Porter, Shockey and Moore look after their medical issues? Can PT take a 16 games beating? Will the Saints improve WLB position before the season? Except from Jenkins, can all those youngster master a much complex defensive playbook than last year in a relatively short period of time? Who will start as our safeties?Less experienced youth or veteran missing a step? Should I blindly believe that some of the same players that were here last year are actually gonna get to the QB on Gregg’s blitz scheme? Will Stu stick around? What about kicking? Considering injuries will be inevitable (please Football Gods, not Brees) shouldn’t we be worried about a very thin depth chart? Wouldn’t it be kind of naive not to think that Shockey will yet again stir up some negative attention? Can I find a girlfriend who will actually let me focus on the game on Sundays? How do we prevent Ellis from surely being constantly double-teamed for the first 4 games? Can Payton’s ego tolerate all the attention Williams is gonna get, specially if our D lives up to expectations? Will Dave and Erin name an hypothetical first born male after me (Sly sounds pretty good, no?)? Will I ever be able to chase from my memory last year Minnesota game? Can somebody reassure me and confirm they’re ain’t a conspiracy against my Fleur De lys? Waiter, I’ll have a double bourbon and some effexor!

There, I’m now 20 minutes closer to opening day. As for asaints: by all means, keep trying man.

GEAUX Jenkins!

Just get the D going!

by FrenchFreak on Jul 19, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bravo bravo!!!

some great posts! i have to say i am with asaints. offense is great and defense possibly top ten??? i don’t know how its gonna turn out but i believe it can happen. im gonna give myself an anxiety attack if football doesn’t get here fast!!! WHOOOOOOOOOODAAAATTT!!!

by lockguy on Jul 19, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very Nice Post

I have to say I agree with pretty much everything from, “Scooby Doo-fruits snacks” to “Reggie is a unique football player”.

I don’t have anything to say about Sean Payton. I guess I could copy and paste what asaint wrote but I might be able to be sued for that and I don’t want to take the risk.

I haven’t been on “Da Chronic” very long so I wasn’t on the same bandwagon that asaint built, but I liked Pierre Thomas from day one. I mean really, if you are the reason Rashard Mendenhaull (I may have misspelled his name) is picking splinters out his butt, than you are a heck of a running back. I was just hoping Deuce was going to be around to teach him how to swim before they threw him in the water. Don’t get me wrong I think he’ll do great. He has developed quicker than I initially thought.

As far as Reggie goes, of course I wouldn’t want him on another team. Whether he gets stats or not, which when he’s on the field he usually does in one way or another, we all know he changes a defense. And not just a part of the defense. The whole defense. Not only do they have to change the defensive game plan, the players have to adjust on the fly and that causes confusion which causes mismatches which moves the chains. You always hear people say, “Reggie Bush isn’t an everydown back”. I disagree. I’ll put him on the field everydown. You also hear them say, “He can’t run between the tackles”. Why would you expect him to? He never ran between the tackles at USC and if my memory serves me correctly he was a halfway decent player in college, right?

Here is where I have to disagree. It’s not that I don’t think we are good enough to win it all this year, but as I’m sure a lot of us have, I’ve been saying, “Wait til next year”, for far too long now. So at the end of last season I had to change it. I said, “Wait two years”. I know it’s a long time to wait but the next year thing was obviously not working. Now I said that not knowing the off-season moves we were going to make but I can’t change it now. I could jinx us all. But even if I could change it I wouldn’t. I like the moves we made this off-season but I’m not satisfied with our front 7. I can’t be the first person to have this idea but Grant and Shanle need to be replaced. How we didn’t pick up a solid atheletic outside iinebacker this season is beyond me. Maybe we still will. I don’t know. But these days you need an outside linebacker that can create some pressure. Our starters can’t do that. As far as Grant goes I think he should be required to send every Saints fan twenty bucks or a coupon or something. I would actually like to see McCray opposite Will Smith. Tell Grant to quit taking the diet pills and move him to DT. Will Smith is on the bubble for me this year. I’m chalking last year up to the injury. Even with the injury he still had a lot of tackles for a DE but not enough pressure.

So I hope I’m wrong and I hate to say it, but it won’t be this year. We will be back in the playoffs. I will even say we will be the first team in the NFC South to ever win back to back division championships but we won’t be celebrating a world championship until February of 2011.

by vicvega26 on Jul 19, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Post, a lot of good stuf and comments

But I do feel I must point out one thing I disagree with, and that’s about Reggie. I know I will be called a Reggie hater, but I am not. But, hypothetically, would I mind Reggie being on another team, if say, we were to be presented with the option of trading Reggie even up for a player.. let’s see… let’s just say a Lawrence Taylor, or a Reggie White, or a Pat Swilling or a Rickey Jackson in his prime. I think that would be a no brainer. Not because Reggie is not talented, but because we have many offensive weapons and a player of that caliber on defense would put us on another level. I don’t know who that 2009 defensive player is, but I would think you could see my point and it is that we could still be a top 5 offense without Reggie in my opinion, but we could also be a top 10 defense with one more impact player maybe a Julius Peppers if he got his head back on straight or someone like that. But, I also would like to say that two years is an eternity in football and we can’t even think about winning a championship in two years because so many changes can and will occur with injuries, free agency, firings and cuts and contracts that are too expensive not to mention players getting at or near 30 years old which for many NFL players is AARP status. No, we have the team to do it this year and we can’t bank on having a perennial top-rated offense- things change too fast at that level to think that way. And I think if you are an everydown back you have to be able to run between the tackles. You can’t let a defense only need to focus and cover from tackle to sideline and not worry about the most direct route to a first down or a touch down, they will eat you up.

by Philinwood on Jul 19, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you hit it right on the head...

You know I cant disagree with the Reggie part and I’m very optimistic about the D this year. Oh and Phil the crossing out is probably just a freudian slip, don’t worry about it.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 20, 2009 4:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My 2 cents worth.....

I’ve only been a Saints fan since about ‘93, but that’s long enough to stop saying stupid stuff like “we’re goin’ all the way this year, baby!” BUT this year I like what I’ve been seeing in minicamps and in the draft/free agency. If Coach Greg can mold the defense into a decent (doesn’t have to be great) unit, we should go a long way. (Fingers crossed).

Putting Reggie in the position last year that he had to run between tackles was just a recipe for disaster. He’s just not a prototype RB and I had to get over that fact. Once I accepted what his exceptional talents were, I got to liking the guy more. But he’ll never be Deuce, so don’t make him try. I definitely don’t want to see him on another team, especially in the NFC South!

My prediction is 11-5. Playoffs. Anything past that I ain’t touchin’.

by SaintShark on Jul 20, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the problem is that you’ve been saying this is the year since 93. Hell, I was only 10 but I was smart enough to realize they weren’t doing it then. HAHAHA. Just giving you a hard time.

 Seriously though, I thought last year could be it, but I thought it “could” be. I have a much stronger “is” feeling this go around. I feel that no matter what injuries(minus Drew), our offense should still be #1, and I can not help but make the assumption that the defense HAS to be improved. Therefore, #1 offense plus an improved defense should get us in the playoffs. Once you’re in, it’s anybody’s game. That’s when having a team of mediocre WINNERS comes into play. I think what that team has been through makes us a force to be reckon with in the post-season.

by asaint on Jul 20, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Saintsational on Jul 20, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure how I missed this post,

but I definitely agree with you. Also this came to mind when you were talking about Reggie… there are a lot of players in the NFL now that are very unique in what they do and how LUCKY they are that they are in the NFL. Teams now will build a special weapon into the offense or build the offense around the weapon. There were a lot of players over the years that got marginalized by the strict rigidity of NFL team composition formula. The one that comes to my mind was the original “deuce” Robert Palmer, what a bad ass college player that got nothing done in the NFL only a returner for the Vickings. Also lemme point out that he played HB & WR in college and add QB to that in high school. Think what you could do with someone like that on your team. Watch this link for those of you who do not know who he is http://www.youtube.com/v/LwcxKluHNGc&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0×5d1719&color2=0xcd311b (also do not watch in full screen pull it down to normal youtube size) enjoy

by Norml912 on Jul 20, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Robert Palmer

was the lead singer of the 80’s super group The Power Station. Had several solo hits, as well. Pretty sure you mean David Palmer.

by coldpizza on Jul 21, 2009 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah lack of sleep

sneaking sally through the alley is a great song

by Norml912 on Jul 21, 2009 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd it!

I liked it. I agree with what you said for the most part. Especially the part about Payton. He took us farther than we had ever been in our franchise history in 1 year. I will say it again. 1 year. That’s unbelievable! I mean, we even got a 1st round bye that year. I know the past few seasons have been a little rough but I think that alot of that has been due to injury. When we are healthy, we are a great football team. I think most people know how I feel about Reggie but for the few that don’t, I think he is a phenomenal player. Like Asaint said, he completely changes a defense. I also think he’s an everydown back but when he does run up the middle(yes, you have to do it even if you aren’t that great at it) it shouldn’t be… just give him a lead blocker and go up the middle. It needs to be a mix of things, playaction up the middle, draws up the middle, misdirection up the middle that gives him a chance to cut to the outside if there’s nothing there. Example of the last one: A misdirection fake to the outside w/ a TE and FB lead but Reggie gets it up the middle instead which leaves him the middle or the opposite side of the TE and FB. Last note, I agree with the superbowl prediction! Felt like we “could” do it for a while now but I feel like we “will” do it this year.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Jul 20, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we need a center... this was talked about during the draft

the problem of running up the middle would be somewhat alleviated w/ a good center…. would we have made those 3rd and shorts last year? who knows but I think we would have. The RB is not expected to move the line of scrimmage, maybe a little, but that is the job of the OL. Why did PT get all the flack for that maybe the interior of our line should have caught some grief for that as well.

by Norml912 on Jul 20, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first round bye

was a product of a weak NFC that particular year. Seriously, how often does a 10-6 team wind up as the second best team in a conference? Jim Haslett took the team just as far in his first season. I don’t care what you want to label the game itself. The Eagles game was one stinkin’ playoff win. A baby step in the grand scheme of things, yet some choose to glorify the man for it, like the second coming of Vince Lombardi.

I realize that we’ve only had TWO stinkin’ playoff wins in the history of the franchise (with 96 games between them), but is that really a reason to be praising anyone? Bum Phillips took the Houston Oilers to the AFC Championship in 1978 with a 10-6 record. The next season, he did it again with an 11-5 team. In 1980, they went 11-5 again, lost in the first round and Bum was coaching the Saints the next season. That’s 32-16 in three seasons, in the same division as arguably one of the greatest teams of all-time. At 25-23, what’s Payton’s excuse? We ran into the Rex Grossman buzzsaw? Same division as ____________ (insert mighty NFC South rival here)? Please. Haslett was 26-22 in three. I don’t see anyone offering him a reacharound.

And it’s not like I’m some bitter, overly-desensitized by decades of losing Scrooge who needs to bash the current administration to feel better about himself. I’m just even keel. Give me something to get excited about and I guarantee you, I’ll be whooping and hollering just as loudly as anyone who was gung ho from Week 1. Finish 8-8 and I’ll appreciate it for the rollercoaster ride it was. 0-16 and I’ll still renew my season tickets, regardless of who the QB, RB or head coach is. I’m not fairweather, in the least. Maybe that’s my problem. Maybe if I only came out of the woodwork after a playoff win, I’d have a newfound appreciation for this level of mediocrity.

by coldpizza on Jul 21, 2009 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, rec'd it
The first round bye was a product of a weak NFC that particular year. Seriously, how often does a 10-6 team wind up as the second best team in a conference? Jim Haslett took the team just as far in his first season. I don’t care what you want to label the game itself. The Eagles game was one stinkin’ playoff win. A baby step in the grand scheme of things, yet some choose to glorify the man for it, like the second coming of Vince Lombardi.

Don’t get me wrong, I like 90% of what Payton has done here and I appreciate his leadership, but he does have only one playoff win in three years (the same as Jim “Aaron Brooks is my QB no matter how poorly he plays” Haslett had). Many of his decisions were good and some were bad, but that’s the best you can hope for from any coach or player.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by satchmo26 on Jul 22, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i understand that we didn’t have the best record that year in getting to the playoffs but we had a 1st round bye and beat the eagles that year. If we had even a little bit of a defense we would’ve had a shot at winning the chicago game. My biggest emphasis here is that it only took 1 year. The past couple of years have been plagued with injuries. 2006, not so much. The key is to stay healthy. Payton has winning gameplans. He needs a more complimentary DC, which i think we might have gotten in GW, to go with his offense. Haslett, imo, was a decent coach but not good. He also didn’t get us to the NFC championship or a 1st round bye, weak conference or not. I’ve been watching the Saints for a while now. Since about 2002, 2003. One or the other. That was about the time I could figure out who I liked for myself and not just follow who someoen else liked. I was here before the playoffs victory and I’ll be here after we win the superbowl this year. This level of mediocrity we have right now is more from injury than anything else. You can’t have 5 or 6 starters get injured for almost half the season or more and expect to keep up as high a level of football as before. If, big if though, we can keep healthy I don’t think we’ll stay mediocre.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Jul 25, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Post

Winning is everything and injuries hurt. One thing is clear, even Coach Belichick will tell you its hard to win in the NFL, that being said we were 1st in Offense and 26th in Def. last yr. If G Dub can bring that # down to 10-13th we’ll be fine and in good shape to win the NFC South. The rest is up to Payton, (i.e. no trick-plays w/the lead) .Can’t wait camps are cranking up, HoF game 2 wks, pre-season, then kick-off. Right now its baseball +lazy-boy = snooze fest, hey and i like baseball, but it ain’t The Saints…Who-Dat….

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jul 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah great post man!!!

I also had problems with Reggie’s style at first despite being an Eagle fan first, and a huge Westbrook fan. I’ve really grown to like Reggie lately because it hit me…Reggie is The Brian Westbrook of the future. So with that in mind, quit trying to run him between the tackles and give him screen passes, everything else I believe PT can handle. Saints return to the playoff’s this year!

by blueverinefan on Jul 26, 2009 1:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The only problem with that is

now we’ve tipped our hat to what the offense is doing. If Reggie is in, we are not going between the tackles. If PT is in, we are, if they both are in, there is no blocking back for PT. In the NFL, that little bit of tendency will do you in. And, I am not saying that Reggie is not an asset, he is an asset and we need to utilize him. But, if fans know that Reggie is not running between the tackles, Linebackers will know that also. Teams run between the tackles for several reasons, and they are not all to get massive yardage. It keeps the defense honest, it causes safeties to make quick decisions (which as we have seen in the past few seasons can sometimes be errant) it protects your QB, it opens up other running and passing plays, it makes defensive coordinators hesitate about blitzing, it allows OL to beat up on DL. Running between the tackles is the most unexciting things in the NFL and one of the most important. I can’t think of one top-level NFL back who didn’t run between the tackles as part of his repetoire. There is a reason for that. And the great ones were excellent at it. Westbrook has been excellent at it and can break a long run from there as well as any place on the field when he is healthy. Reggie will have to run between the tackles for him to be successful. Tiki Barber did, Edgerrin James did, Sean Alexander did, Fred Taylor, Brandon Jacobs, Turner, Gore, Dunn, Portis, Addai and on and on.

by Philinwood on Jul 27, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Phil is picking a Reggie fight again.

I really dont want to do this, but I think there is an oppurtunity for some good point-counterpoint stuff. And I’m not going any further. We do this all to often.

If Reggie is in, we are not going between the tackles. If PT is in, we are, if they both are in, there is no blocking back for PT bq.

Just because PT is in doesn’t mean we are going to run in between the tackles. And I agree Reggie can’t run in between the tackles well. However comma if Reggie is back there, you still don’t know left, right, draw, motion, reverse, pass. Not to mention the couple times he will run in between the tackles to keep him honest. There are plenty of options to keep the D on their toes.

No one is saying he is the best running back ever, but I am saying he is a football player that I like to see lined up at the halfback position.

by asaint on Jul 27, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree asaint...

but are you surprised by his comment?

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 27, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best saints team

I have been a saint fan since I was 7 and this is the best team we have ever had.We might be weak on the front seven but GW will help on that front. I want to believe we will win the big one but there are some solid teams we will have to beat. The injury factor is always there too. I just want to at least get in the playoffs because any thing can happen(cardinals)
Go Saints

by rebelsaint on Jul 27, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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