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Stop the presses!

This isn’t eyebrow raising, this is the reality. It sounds like he is doing a better job than the media in revealing the facts.

by S'portDave on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yup.

I also got a chuckle out of the “evidence” that it “wasn’t” like this before because of what the Human Rights Commission said. OK, lets see, a committee composed approximately 80% or more of dictators, morons, and people who hate the US (with some overlap) who would say ANYTHING for a chance to have a soundbite on TV, to say nothing of the potential to hammer away at an enemy they hate… and we’re supposed to consider them an unbiased and accurate source of information? Uh-huh. Pull the other one Elmer.

by FriarBob on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha ha And yeah, those FBI agents, what a bunch of pussies!
But he said it was “no exaggeration” to suggest that the techniques cited in the FBI report were not acceptable in a democracy. “This is the kind of thing you expect from repressive regimes but not from the United States,” he said.

Well, the cowboy's name was Jingo.

by stujo4 on Jul 28, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

IF the FBI agents were in fact telling the truth, fine. In case you didn’t bother to look, those “facts” were NOT part of the TP article. I was responding to the sheer idiocy of trying to use an obviously biased source as “proof”.

And salon.com? Substituting one biased source for another does not improve your case much.

by FriarBob on Jul 28, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

you sound like my brother and as I told him, just calling something biased because you disagree with it, that doesn't make it so

Couldn’t find anything on this in The National Review. Wonder why?

Well, the cowboy's name was Jingo.

by stujo4 on Jul 28, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong again. Sites like salon (and TNR as well) make no effort to point out the opposing view, and present their as fact. That is bias.

by FriarBob on Jul 28, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't been wrong yet today, FB

There is no need to present an opposing view when it is wrong. I like Factcheck.org

Nothing's worse than ignorance.

by stujo4 on Jul 28, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kind of like...

When Al Gore refuses to debate any credible scientist who dares to oppose his view on Anthropogenic Global Warming? Because he thinks his view is the only view, the debate is over? THAT is the definition of ignorance, and I agree, there is nothing worse…

Who IS the Stig?

by Hollywoo! on Jul 28, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And what if factcheck is wrong? You have nothing other than your belief in them to “prove” that they are right. Which just goes to prove my point. There is no such thing as an unbiased publication. You can ameliorate that significantly by presenting the other side and then attempting to debunk their arguments. Salon NEVER does (or at least didn’t last I checked).

by FriarBob on Jul 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

also see Krugman analysis

here

Ollie Hardy should have had more sense.
He bought a gee gee and he jumped the fence.

by stujo4 on Aug 4, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean, Drew Brees?

I don’t think Drew spoke a single fact. Not one.

Well, the cowboy's name was Jingo.

by stujo4 on Jul 28, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Facts are sometimes subjective

I don’t want to soil our beloved CSC with the foulness of politics, but “facts” aren’t always so cut and dry. I’m sure Drew had good intentions when he said that and believes what he was told while there, but can we assume they were being totally forthright with him? When a celebrity visits a controversial place like that where the people working there very much want to keep it open, odds are they are going to portray their facility to the celebrity as a place that’s been getting a bad rap so he/she can go be a cheerleader for them. The fact that they set Gitmo up outside the US where it wouldn’t be subject to our laws is why I’ve never believed in it or its usefulness. If those people are guilty of what they are accused of, then convict them and even execute them if their convictions warrant it. It’s unexcuseable to just hold them there indefinitely. That’s not the America I was taught to love and believe in.

I can’t say what the “facts” are about the place because I’ve never been there. I would caution others who also haven’t closely seen what goes on there to be careful what they choose to believe.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jul 28, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

And that is all I will say about the subject.

I agree with Satch. I don’t think CSC is the place for for political debate. This site is my safe haven from the “foulness of politics.”

Who IS the Stig?

by Hollywoo! on Jul 28, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"This site is my safe haven from the "foulness of politics"

REC’D!!!

I think we should all avoid discussions about either politic or religion from now on.

I’m probably getting too old (too soft?) but I surely miss the fun we use to have around here….

Just get the D going!

by FrenchFreak on Jul 28, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

this story just raised Jeff Duncan’s eyebrows. Way to go, CSC, for getting a nod!

by FuSoYa on Jul 28, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

im with Stu on this one...

sounds like propaganda to me…

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 28, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Jeff Duncan does read CSC

at least every 3 weeks or so.

 Hi Jeff! Welcome back to CSC! How is camp going for the Saints the first couple of weeks and what do you expect in tomorrow’s first preseason game?

Being a Saints fan will take years off your life

by MobileSaint on Jul 28, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Drew stick to football !!!

Drew is of course entitled to his opinion (as is everyone) but not everyone wants to know about it. In particular on such a controversial topic,. Especially with Army itself as tour guide.

by shecky on Jul 28, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

boo!

no more politics!

(unless it invovles drew brees running for emperor)

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 28, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Media bias

Haven’t I reached anyone here? I’ll say it again: bias is not only normal in reporting, it’s necessary. What one person calls “bias”—liberal / right-wing / fascist / comsymp / whatever—is simply the reporter’s world view, without which he could make no sense at all of the world he was trying to report on. You bring that pre-existing world view to the job, you analyze the story, you report it so that whatever is important is emphasized and whatever is trivial is left out—and somebody is guaranteed to call you biased. It only means you’ve done your job. There is no objectivity.

Now, that’s not to say that all biased reporting is good…but it’s not bad because it’s biased, it’s bad because it’s liberal / right-wing / fascist / comsymp / whatever. Depending on your world view.

Ends.

This is OUR year!

by MtnExile on Jul 28, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I can't argue with that

One man’s good is another man’s evil. It’s when biased reporting becomes organized propaganda that the real problems start. Sometimes it’s difficult to tell the difference.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah a certain news channel seems to do that satchmo...

I’m inclined to agree with MtnExile as a writer and journalism-school graduate but i’ll say some media outlets do a great job of handling the issues while others are propaganda machines and i find those outlets a faux. (pun intended)

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 28, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I feel the same way about the Rupert Murdoch-owned establishments. The others usually aren’t a whole lot better as they tend to either get lazy with their reporting or omit the important government corruption reports to spend hours and sometimes days talking about celebrity news. There’s all kinds of big money being exchanged for political favors in D.C. that the public never hears about.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jul 29, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thing is

and I’m sure Taydigga, as a journalism school graduate, can back me up on this, until the 20th century it was an uncommon thing to have a newspaper which wasn’t affiliated with a particular party or political philosophy. Go to any small town in America and there would be two papers—not a morning and an evening, but a Democrat and a Whig (for instance). Journalists were expected to be advocates for a particular position. It wasn’t until much later that the cult of “objectivity” arose.

The problem isn’t one of unwanted subjectivity so much as simple dishonesty. As for how that applies to Drew Brees: even if you believe his opinion is totally wrong, I can’t see any evidence that he arrived at it by being dishonest. He simply values things differently.

This is OUR year!

by MtnExile on Jul 29, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got no problem with Drew...

or the actual soldiers who work at Gitmo. My problem is with the policy makers in D.C. (both political parties). Drew and I might disagree in our political perspectives, but I’d love and respect him nonetheless. I’m sure he has good intentions with what he said and believes what he was told. Screw this political speak, let’s play some ball.

Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jul 29, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to get all weepy but...

This is why the CSC is my favorite place to wax philosophic about the Saints. No animosity, no retarded “us versus them” screaming match. Smart, classy conversation and occasionally heated banter…about football. Even when somebody slips politics into the mix, it stays pretty even keel. Gotta respect that. For a compare/contrast, visit the comments section of this story at NOLA.com. It’s nuts on there.

by FuSoYa on Jul 29, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nola.com

is just ridiculous. They really need to get a hold of the situation.

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by Dave Cariello on Jul 29, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree...

his political association probably colored his statement. very true Mtn

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 29, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

just some info

just so yall know pow’s are given at least 3 mre’s a day….. soooo around 5000 calories a day is not out of the question…. when your bored you eat. anyway drew is 100% correct about how those prisoners are treated. you cant even treat a detainee in iraq remotely bad. they check for bruises and wounds constantly. if anything is wrong or if the detainee complains about being mistreated he is usually set free. afterwards the soldier and leader is reprimanded. no one wants that so they treat prisoners accordingly. i understand that they may have been mistreated when the war just started. they may even be still in certain instances but for the most part they are living in their own little piece of heaven. the only thing they have to deal with is boredom. these people should have a speedy trial and if they are found innocent then they should be released. im fairly certain though that if they were guilty of any small crime like attacking an american convoy or something of that nature they would be in an iraqi jail. they would not waste the time or effort on a detainee if he is a farmer thats pissed off because tanks keep running through his land and he sets out a bomb. gitmo is reserved for actual terror suspects.

by truckemdeuce on Jul 28, 2009 11:25 PM CDT reply actions  

^^^^interesting...

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 29, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but 2 points can be diputed in your comment

First, I doubt that the internees see their cells or cages as their “own little piece of heaven”. Second, there were or are still detainees in there that are/were not hardened terrorists. Thats fact. Nonetheless, regardless of how ones stand is toward Gitmo, Drew would have been better advised to keep his personal opinion (which can be seen as biased) to himself.

by shecky on Jul 29, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I’m sure they don’t see it that way. I’ll definitely give you that. But when you go from having to struggle every day for enough food to survive to having their every need (save perhaps boredom) taken care of, they definitely ought to be a LOT more grateful than they appear at times.

by FriarBob on Jul 30, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

uugh...struggling everyday to survive?

how do we know they are struggling. Are we assuming that every terrorist is some poor chump off the streets? Do some research my friend, a lot of these guys although they aren’t rich they aren’t poor either. And being detained doesn’t constitute being “grateful” for anything. I don’t care if I’m arrested and thrown in a beautiful bungalow, the fact that i’m detained supercedes that. It hilarous that you think they “ought” to be grateful. But maybe you were joking and I just thought you were being serious.

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 30, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

^^^^i so agree...

Don't worry I got your back cuz...

by TAYDIGGA on Jul 30, 2009 1:55 AM CDT reply actions  

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