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Sean Payton Spiralling Downward?

New Orleans Saints football coach Sean Payton answers questions about the Saints selecting Ohio State cornerback Malcolm Jenkins 14th overall in the first round of the NFL Draft at the team's training facility in Metairie, La., Saturday, April 25, 2009.  (AP Photo/Bill Haber)(AP Photo/Bill Haber)

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7 months ago: New Orleans Saints football coach Sean Payton answers questions about the Saints selecting Ohio State cornerback Malcolm Jenkins 14th overall in the first round of the NFL Draft at the team's training facility in Metairie, La., Saturday, April 25, 2009. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)(AP Photo/Bill Haber)


By now we should all be familiar with the details of the story revolving around Kevin Houser, the film studio and the tax credit fiasco. If you've been living in a cave or been on your honeymoon in Bermuda this last week, you can catch up by reading articles here, herehere and here. This, of course, has led many to question whether Houser's somewhat surprising release was due to his on-field performance or was the result of a personal vendetta - namely Sean Payton's.

I won't begin to speculate on the situation since we really don't know anything (though I suspect someone, somewhere does) but others have begun the questioning process, including the Times-Pic and Pro Football Talk. In fact, the results of that Times-Pic poll reveal that most Saints fans (73% as I type this) do think Houser's release smells a bit fishy.

Instead of asking you guys the obvious question, I wanted to take it a bit further. Assuming there is "foul play" involved with Houser's release, how would that affect your view of Sean Payton? We've come a long way since our original lovefest with Sean Payton in 2006 and things have seemed to only go downhill from that point. Is this just another step in the wrong direction for Payton's relationship with Saints fans? Would you lose respect for Payton or the organization? Has he lost your respect already? Would you be surprised that something like this could happen in the NFL or within the organization? Do you even care?

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How do you feel about Sean Payton now compared to how you felt when he first arrived?
I like him more
343 votes
I feel the same
750 votes
I like him less
223 votes

1316 votes | Poll has closed

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that's what i'm talking about

the houser thing is a tempest in a teapot , the lack of imagination or,“gogetitness” is applauding in the sports press . like you, i have burning questions that could, if not answered, at least be researched,and written about by a dedicated reporter. if i were getting paid, and had access,well you get the point.

by r c a on Jul 5, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

boom rec'd it

Except I think the best interests of the team and Payton’s personally just happen to be the same in this case. He is a control freak and a vindictive little cuss. How about directing some of that virulence towards our division rivals?

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by stujo4 on Jul 5, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agreed

with what you said M-E, and especially with your comment, stu, about Payton’s personality. On a related note, is there any sort of petition we could start to encourage the T-P to do more any of this sort of reporting? If we can get 325+ (!) votes on a poll on this site, that sort of response from the fans would HAVE to get some sort of response. A month of reading Dolphins stuff in the Miami Herald makes me pine for real sports journalism…

by jful on Jul 5, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying the Herald is as bad as the T-P?

…or that the T-P is especially bad compared to the Herald?

This is OUR year!

by MtnExile on Jul 5, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the t-p

is especially bad.

by jful on Jul 5, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd it

Exactly right. There is no doubt in my my mind that this was a decision based on the TEAM’S best interest. This has nothing to do with Sean Payton personally…

Who IS the Stig?

by Hollywoo! on Jul 5, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you get the results you were looking for or not?

Something tells me “no” will be your answer here…

by realheavyd on Jul 5, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't think it's personal

Payton just doesn’t come off as that kind of guy really. i would say that they know something that we did not. maybe he was a problem causer in the locker room. maybe he looked like he was wearing down and becoming slower and less accurate. there’s a multitude of things that could have gone wrong w/ the financial issue just being a coincidence

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Jul 5, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well part of the problem with the results not being what some expected may be that the wrong question was asked. When he first arrived I didn’t know anything at all about him so of course I like him more because he has done a lot of good for the team. After 2006 however we all thought he was an absolute genius and now we realize that isn’t 100% true. So I would have to say that I don’t like him as much as I did in 2006 (though my reduction is a lot smaller than some people’s), but definitely more than I did when he first arrived.

by FriarBob on Jul 5, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right Bob

I should have worded the poll: “How do you feel about Sean Payton now compared to how you felt after 2006?”

My bad!

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by Saintsational on Jul 5, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i voted "no"

only because i’m waiting for another season above .500

by jful on Jul 5, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

voted for “feel the same” because a coach making the playoffs in his first year as Saints coach is strangley familiar to me… only his Parcels ties make him slightly more appealing.

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jul 8, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've thought

Payton was a pompous a-hole all along. Ever since the Stallworth trade, nothing he’s done personnel wise has surprised me. I honestly can’t wait until the day he gets canned. Maybe then we’ll get a defensive-minded head coach, who focuses more on running the football on offense. Even if we win the Super Bowl this year, I’ll still feel the same way. Happy that we finally made it, disappointed that it couldn’t have happened with Hank Stram or Bum Phillips or anyone with a lick of humility running the show.

by coldpizza on Jul 6, 2009 7:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

really

let me get this straight, if payton wins the super bowl this year, you will still want to see him fired? im pretty sure he could become the mayor after that if he wanted.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 6, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd still

want to see him gone. And I agree, that probably wouldn’t happen under that scenario. But you never know. How many people expected Benson to s -can Randy Mueller when he did?

It also depends on how they won it. If it’s by running the same pass-happy offense, I’d consider it a fluke and would think them better over the long haul with Gregg Williams as the head coach (still calling the shots on defense) and someone with a more offensively-balanced philosophy as the OC.

If it’s with a balanced attack this year, then I’d be more inclined to let itself play out, meaning I wouldn’t want to tamper with perfection. I still wouldn’t get a thrill out of seeing him on the sidelines, though. I guess I’m just not that fairweather a person. When I like someone personally, I like them. When I don’t, I don’t. Winning or losing isn’t going to change that.

I also don’t think a head coach has as much to do with a team’s success as most people want to believe they do. Seifert and Switzer both won subsequent Super Bowls with the many of the same players Walsh and Johnson did. Tomlin’s wasn’t that far removed from Cowher’s either. No one is irreplaceable. I’m a Saints fan because I live in New Orleans first and foremost, not because I have a man crush on any one current player or coach.

by coldpizza on Jul 6, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it wouldn't suck

it just wouldn’t be the optimal situation, imo. But only because I dislike him. Same for countless other Saints fans that didn’t like Aaron Brooks, for example. Had they lucked out and won three more games in the 2001 playoffs, would it have made a difference in how you feel about him now? If so, you may be kin to an invertebrate.

I’d much rather see the Saints win the Super Bowl, than see Sean Payton resign or get fired. After that though, there’s not much else I’d rather see. Would you rather win the Powerball or dump your b*tch of a wife? Pretty easy question, right? Does that mean you’d want to stay married after you collected your millions? If the two aren’t tied together for all eternity in a package stipulation, why would you?

by coldpizza on Jul 6, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

those

coaches you mentioned didn’t exactly reinvent the wheel after they took over, they basically continued the regime of their former master. and if payton manages to win a superbowl, he deserves a lot of credit considering this is the team that he built.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 6, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

and I wouldn’t want whatever personnel moves he had something to do with NOT be mentioned when discussing his tenure. Just like I would want Jim Haslett to be remembered as the coach who drafted Jammal Brown or Will Smith, if they turn out to be key contributors on a Super Bowl team under Payton. I’ve always given Stram credit for drafting Muncie and Galbreath, players that made Nolan’s offense tick. I’m certainly not above giving credit where credit’s due. I just don’t like Payton as a person and I don’t want to see him succeed. Not at the expense of wishing losses upon the Saints, though. I guarantee you there are some closet Jeremy Shockey haters in this group that know exactly what I’m talking about.

by coldpizza on Jul 6, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully

we can continue this argument next summer after we win the superbowl. i dont think that payton is perfect but i havent given up on him yet.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 6, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't either

only because you have to accept someone at some point, in order to give up on them. But believe me, if they win the Super Bowl (huge “if”) this isn’t something I’d be beating a drum about the morning after. Just something that would make me even happier, if it occurred. Like, if Payton pulled a Cowher and decided to go out on top, I’d have to pinch myself.

by coldpizza on Jul 6, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You say you don't like Payton as a person

…do you know him? Or do you only know the media persona that’s largely the work of the Times Picayune not reporting?

This is OUR year!

by MtnExile on Jul 6, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've met him before

but the dislke stems from prior to that. I have a friend who’s a huge Giants fan. He kind of gave me the lowdown on what to expect. The Stallworth trade pretty much solidified his caveat from the word go. Definitely nothing to do with the T-P. I haven’t read the paper regularly since the Ditka regime.

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2009 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't bother me in the slightest...

if Payton is a “pompous a-hole” if we win. I personally don’t think he’s an a-hole – pompous, yes, but not an a-hole. He’s obviously very confident – I think you have to be at this level. Some carry that differently than others (or better than others). This isn’t a miss congeniality contest. By the way, Hank Stram humble? OK….

I have no idea what went down with the Houser thing, but like some above said, if it was going to have a negative effect on the team, then getting rid of him doesn’t really bother me. If we struggle again this year, he’ll be on the hot seat in my mind but I’m confident we’ll be better.

by SaintBevo on Jul 6, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The T-P

is a fluff rag, imo. I cancelled my subscription ages ago. I’ll admit that I appreciate John DeShazier’s objectivity and I used to dig Josh Peter’s biting sacasm when he first started, though I suspect someone must have told him to put a lid on it, as his writing style changed drastically overnight. Otherwise, they’re about as vanilla as journalism comes. I agree with MtnExile, reader polls are weak. However, I’m glad they’re at least starting to get a little dirt under their nails. If there’s a story to be had, then by all means, bring it to the surface. No one should be treated with kid gloves. If getting to the bottom of something “fishy” means ruffling a few feathers, then so be it. If there’s nothing there when the dust settles, at least it won’t be from a lack of effort. On top of which, what’s the worst that could possibly happen? Nothing to write about? They’ve already mastered that. Payton resigns? I’d renew my subscription that very same day. Even it’s just to give my dog something local on which to urinate.

by coldpizza on Jul 6, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes he deserved to die, and i hope he burns in hell!

yes, i think that we can all agree that the TP is written for retarded 12 year olds. yes, i think this had everything to do with houser getting cut. but how can you blame our front office, this dude pissed off important people on the team. before this happened, i remember hearing that houser was a popular guy in the locker room who helped everyone with investments, if he is no longer popular, then he should be let go. pizza mentioned that he didnt like paytons move to get rid of stallworth (i personally think it was a good idea). stallworth (like him or not) was much more important to the team than a long snapper. so if hes going to be a locker room distraction, than he needs to be sent packing. an example needs to be made: if you lose drew brees’ money, your job with the saints is over.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 6, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But is it Houser's fault?

He didn’t force Brees, Payton et. al. to invest their money, did he? Seems to me everyone should each accept responsibility for their own actions.

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by Saintsational on Jul 6, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes

if houser or anyone else advises you to invest in something, there is going to be risk (especially when he is promising the returns that he did). but if the deal falls through and everyone loses everything, dont expect everyone in the locker room to high five the guy who lost them six figures. payton, like him or not, has made it very clear that he will not put up with locker room distractions. (except for shockey)

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 6, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Payton didn't want locker room distractions

He should never have let business mix with other business. When investing money, there is ALWAYS a risk.

It’s like talking religion or politics with co-workers…it probably just shouldn’t be done. They should have just left well enough alone. Why allow a possible distraction to even enter the equation.

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by Saintsational on Jul 6, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are limits to paytons power

he cant control what everyone on the team does, maybe he should not have gotten invovlved. if he was the only one involved in this deal it would be different, but houser talked a lot of poeple into this deal. and he should also have realized that he is not important enough to survive a deal gone bad involving several players. but you have to admit, if this is the only locker room problem we have this offseason then we are getting off light. ill take this any day over the problems caused by horn vs roaf.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 6, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

having a defensive-minded coach

might seem like a better option—but if we’re going to be an “average” team, i’d much rather have offensive-minded coach like payton. i’ve always said that even when the saints lose, the games are exciting—and that’s largely due to our offensive awesomeness. i know many will disagree with this, but i’d rather lose a game 42-35 than 10-3. at least i get my money’s worth!

by jful on Jul 6, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

See ...

I’m just the opposite. I love defensive slug fests and power running games. The only passing plays that excite me nearly as much are the ones culminating in spectacular catches, interceptions or bone-shattering hits. And how often is that? Maybe 4 or 5 a game, on average. I’m on the edge of my seat every time they hand the ball off, even when it’s Dino Philyaw in the backfield. The entire time they’re on defense, I’m on my feet whooping and hollering. There’s really no comparison, if you ask me.

by coldpizza on Jul 6, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right again...

if only we had given a defensive coach a chance to be our coach. I can’t think of any that we’ve given an opportunity…well except Haslett, Ditka, Mora…

by SaintBevo on Jul 6, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in their defense

none of them had a quarterback quite like drew brees. maybe he would have won a national championship for texas if only you would have given him a shot over phil simms kid.

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 6, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brees was already

entrenched as the starter at Purdue before Simms even graduated high school. What do those two have anything to do with one another?

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

i meant applewhite

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jul 7, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither Ditka nor Mora

had defensive coordinator experience before becoming head coach of the Saints. And we were a game better than we are right now after three years under Haslett, so I’m not sure I see the downside of my logic.

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure how much

weight being a defensive coordinator first really carries. Both Ditka and Mora were heavily defensive minded coaches who always emphasized the running game over the passing game as well. So, you had your wish with those two. The NFL voted the Saints the top linebacking corp EVER under mora (and a consistent top 5 defense), and you had the running game you wanted with ironhead and hilliard. Ditka – :shakeshead: yeah, Rickey Williams – nuff said, defense – ugh (it was still his philosophy and he won the 86 SB with that mindset with the Bears). Haslett’s defenses weren’t slouches by any means.

I guess the point is you have to have some sort of balance here. A pass happy team can certainly get you to the superbowl – Rams and the greatetst show on turf – Jim Kelly and the no huddle x4 with the Bills to name two.

At least Payton realized with season 4 that his d-coordinator wasn’t getting the job done and got rid of him rather than sticking with him. I get that you don’t like the man personally. Fine, that’s your perogative. I think there’s a whole lot of responsibility to go round here that has nothing to do with personal feelings and rightly so.

by LSUinAZ on Jul 7, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rams

had Marshall Faulk. The Bills had Thurman Thomas. Wake me up when the Saints have any RB of that caliber. And yes, I’m fully aware that Ditka and Mora’s teams were more geared towards defense. But I honestly believe that was more personnel based, than a result of the manner in which they coached. We already have all the pieces in place on offense. Drew Brees was already having All-Pro success in San Diego. It’s not like he’s going to forget how to drop back and pass, if Sean Payton isn’t around calling the shots. I just think that if we had a run-oriented, defensive minded coach like Mora or Ditka NOW — Gregg Williams being one of several options there — it would go a long way towards creating the overall balance typically needed to reach the next level. It may also take a series of personnel changes on offense, such as bringing in linemen more geared towards run blocking, a legitimate franchise RB, etc. That’s not a direction I see the Saints headed in under Payton. Maybe you see it or have faith that it will happen, think we can overcome the odds and make it there throwing the ball 70% of the time, what have you. I don’t. I don’t buy into Sean Payton’s approach. I’d like to think that my not liking his persona has nothing to do with that, but it may have some bearing on my reluctance to enjoy the level of mediocrity we’re currently being fed on an annual basis. I guess I’ll know better in two or three years, when either they’ve gotten over the hump or the rest of the city has grown tired of his uptight, wheel-spinning schtick and he’s sent to the elephant graveyard with the rest of the “next big things”.

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Saintsational on Jul 7, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...

Are you suggesting that Ditka and Mora were not the type of coaches that you’re pining for? Mora WAS a defensive coach (I believe he coached DL) before getting a HC position in the USFL. Ditka was a offensive coach by trade, but you’d be hard-pressed to convince me that he wasn’t a defensive minded-ocach. And while we’re at it we haven’t really had an offensive HC (if we’re not counting Ditka, which I’m not) since Stram.

by SaintBevo on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, and I see that
because I agree with you and am not arguing anything you said up to this point –

That’s not a direction I see the Saints headed in under Payton. Maybe you see it or have faith that it will happen, think we can overcome the odds and make it there throwing the ball 70% of the time, what have you. I don’t. I don’t buy into Sean Payton’s approach. I’d like to think that my not liking his persona has nothing to do with that, but it may have some bearing on my reluctance to enjoy the level of mediocrity we’re currently being fed on an annual basis. I guess I’ll know better in two or three years, when either they’ve gotten over the hump or the rest of the city has grown tired of his uptight, wheel-spinning schtick and he’s sent to the elephant graveyard with the rest of the "next big things

I never said that I thought throwing the ball or being pass happy was a good idea. I said you can get there doing it. I absolutely agree that there has to be balance. I agree our defense needed an overhaul both with added players and a new face. Gibbs wasn’t terrorising anyone with his lackluster schemes.

What I’m saying here is that you have 4 drafts- 2 first round defenders, one (supposed to have been) franchise RB, one mystifying pick at receiver. I don’t see him sitting here constantly trying to upgrade our receiving corp with big money free agents and/or draft picks. He seems to have legitimately recognized that we needed some talent infusion on the D and needed to get Gibbs out.

Would you have preferred he drafted Beanie Wells? all I’m saying is that drafting a RB first 2 out of four years is a bad call. Even if you make the leap to calling reggie a complete bust at this point, there’s no guarantees that the crapshoot of the NFL draft is going to get us a marquee RB. So lets assume he had drafted wells, and wells turned to being a bust – you’re still minus a marquee RB and still less talented on defense.

You seem to forget that we had a marquee RB in Deuce prior to his knees going south- ‘06 proved what could be done with a power runner and a scatback. I don’t think payton is blind to this.

Anyway. Point is I dont care if attiude wise he’s the second coming of John McEnroe. Lots of people despise Parcells as a person. He builds winners wherever he goes. That goes a long way.

I’m not prepared to give up on a coach who had the balls to gut over half his team the first year to get rid of the loser mentality plauging the team and has been trying to put the pieces into place to build a winner. His personality rubs me the wrong way too, but I DO think he his making the attempt to do what’s needed to bring a super bowl to the city. I’ll give him a year or two more.

by LSUinAZ on Jul 7, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Honestly

I was hoping for a franchise LT. Same thing I’ve been hoping for the last three first round picks. I disagreed with the Bush pick in ’06, preferring them to trade down and draft Ferguson. I thought they could have gotten a solid complimentary back later, which proved to be true, considering what the rest of the RB class has done.

‘07 was a little different, being that the pick was so late. I have nothing against the Meachem pick, due to value. We had also just parted ways with Joe Horn, so it made some sense. I personally would’ve hung onto Stallworth, but he may have gone the free agency route anyway by that time, so I’m not positive that would’ve made much of a difference. That being said, I viewed Beason and Olsen as two players of similar value at positions of an even greater need and would have probably gone Beason. I’ve never been crazy about U. of Miami players period, but at that stage of the draft, it’s hard to pass on a player of Beason’s pass rushing ability.

This past year, we again had a shot at a legitimate LT — Michael Oher — and passed on it for defensive help. Not as big a deal this time around, as we did manage to get the best DB in the draft. I’d still like to see Brown back at RT and an upgrade at LT, though. Once we get a LT whose forte is lead blocking on running plays, we’ll be able to see what we have in Bush once and for all. If the outside pursuit is being contained and he’s still not breaking into opposing secondaries, you have to start considering either making him a full time WR or moving in another direction entirely.

Regardless, it doesn’t hurt to have a stud run blocking tackle in the fold. As evidenced by ‘07, it’s not something you’re going to be in position to acquire every year. I think if it’s even remotely a need — which imo it is, especially with Brown’s contract year coming up — OT is a position you just do not pass on with your high first round pick. Every other position can be addressed adequately enough to win with later on. Of course, this year we had very few picks, so we would have been handcuffed. We still had a shot at a couple of decent bigger backs in the later rounds and chose to trade up for a punter instead.

by coldpizza on Jul 7, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The offseason soap opera

is the worst part of Saints fandom. I don’t know if I could care less how Houser and Payton get along as men, or why Houser got canned. He deserved better, as he put in a lot of mistake-free years with the team. That opinion is why I’m not in business. And at least he wasn’t messing around with Willie Roaf’s wife, or a compulsive gambler who was into Harrah’s for millions, eh?

Payton’s alright. He’s slightly less alright than he was when the Saints beat the Eagles in the ‘06 playoffs. But he’s been exactly that alright ever since he first abandoned the run in the Chicago snow a week after. His personnel changes, for the most part, have made sense, at leas at the time. He’s had roughly the same number of stupid sounding moves as any other Saints coach I can remember, and roughly the same number of busts. If he gets a 9-7 record, misses the playoffs, gets fired and replaced by Williams, who “turns the team around” to a 10-6 team with a wildcard playoff game, I would be amazingly unsurprised. I for one don’t care who does it, I just hope to see the Saints in one Superbowl before I die.

by FuSoYa on Jul 7, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like I said -

I don’t really disagree with anything or any of your reasoning behind the OL picks. I think we’ve sadly been in a bad position and have had to “draft for need”, every coach’s dirty words.

Another 9-7 showing this year and my patience will be running more than rather thin- unless of course it’s something that’s due to the Saints being decimated by injuries.

by LSUinAZ on Jul 7, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Poll

Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems the poll is not going the way Saintsation hoped it would. Bias can be subtle, and it seems from the tone of the article that the author has his mind made up. How often have you heard someone present dubious “proof” of wrongdoing and say something to the effect of something like this: “Far be it from me to say something is wrong.” He even brings out that other non-scientific polls seem to suggest that something is indeed very wrong.

I do not see that the investment that Payton, Brees, and even Kevin Houser lost money on had anything to do with the firing. Payton isn’t an idiot. Houser was just as conned as the rest of the players, and Payton has shown that he is man enough to admit when something is his fault, such as taking the blame for the ill-advised reverse against the Bucs.

This is just another example of the rumor-mongers trying to make news where there is none. Even the title of the article suggests a big problem with the coach.

I hate bias in reporting, especially when it is disguised as a “just the facts” presentation. Too many of the easily led (and they are legion) go off about what they know nothing about.

Sad.

by ProfessorSaint on Jul 7, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no hopes for any polls

as they don’t emotionally affect me. I do have expectations or hunches and I will admit I am surprised by the results.

As for this comment…

I hate bias in reporting

I, sir, am not a reporter. Give me a press pass and maybe we can talk. Otherwise, I’m just a fan with season tickets raising questions and trying to pose them in a controversial, thought-provoking and debate-sparking manner. Though I really don’t think I’ve taken a stance in the original post, I do have the right to express my biased opinion if I have one.

I am curious to know, though, what part of my post leads you to believe I think there is something behind the Houser release?

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by Saintsational on Jul 7, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

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by Saintsational on Jul 7, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose

as long as the phrase “locker room distraction” exists in the English language, any personnel move a coach makes can be construed as being in the best interests of the team. Speaking of which, I’ve heard that Marques Colston has a 14" schlong. How can something that serpentine not be a distraction? I think we should trade him for a back-up middle linebacker immediately. Jk, of course. What ever would make season ticket holders think they have the right to question the intregrity of the product they’re paying for to begin with? The entire concept seems absurd to me. Hush it, traitors.

by coldpizza on Jul 8, 2009 12:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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