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Quarterback Competition Heats Up

New Orleans Saints quarterback Mark Brunell (11) passes during a scrimmage at the club's NFL football training camp in Metairie, La.,  Saturday, Aug. 8, 2009.  The Saints held an afternoon scripted scrimmage.  (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

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3 months ago: New Orleans Saints quarterback Mark Brunell (11) passes during a scrimmage at the club's NFL football training camp in Metairie, La., Saturday, Aug. 8, 2009. The Saints held an afternoon scripted scrimmage. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

While Drew Brees was out of town this weekend dealing with the recent death of this mother, Saints fans got an all too realistic look (not literally) during the Black & Gold scrimmage of what life might be like without the greatest quarterback in the league. I shudder just thinking about it, really. The truth is as long as Brees is healthy, the battle for the spot behind him is fairly meaningless. But in the event of what would be a worst case scenario - a season-ending injury to Drew - who will be considered...[Dr. Evil voice] Number Two?   

The great news is that both Mark Brunell and Joey Harrington are capable options. Harrington has plenty of experience as a starting quarterback in the NFL, though much of his play could be considered sub-par. However, an argument could be made that his lack of on-field success is due to the poor talent around him. Mark Brunell, on the other hand, is a proven veteran with three Pro-Bowls and nine seasons as a starter. Though the retiring of Brett Favre (finally!) makes Brunell the oldest active quarterback in the league, he's still got what it takes to lead an offense. 

So far the news from training camp regarding both quarterbacks has been positive. They each took advantage of Drew's absence during Saturdays Black & Gold scrimmage, Brunell in particular, while Harrington was the star of Friday mornings practice. So who will be deemed worthy of being Drew Brees' Number Two? Brunell is currently running with the second team during practice and I personally feel that's the way it should and will remain. His experience and track record of success make him the obvious choice as second in command. But does Harrington have a chance to beat out Brunell this summer? Who do you think should be taking snaps in the absence of Brees? Will the Saints even keep three quarterbacks? Let's hear your thoughts. Talk it out. 

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Who do you think should be the Saints second in command?
Mark Brunell
357 votes
Joey Harrington
214 votes

571 votes | Poll has closed

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I'd have to go with Harrington

based on the complications a switch to a left-handed QB would present over the long haul. The only good I can see coming out of that would be Jammal Brown (possibly) being shift back over to RT, where he played his best season as a rookie. Otherwise, much of the playbook would have to be flip-flopped, with TEs running routes off the left side, etc. Just seems like one more thing to worry about. Harrington’s got better size and a stronger arm. I would say that Brunell has better mobility based on his days in Jacksonville, but I’m not even sure that’s still the case. Most importantly, both Brees and Harrington ran a spread offense in college and that’s pretty much what Sean Payton’s system caters to. While I like both players and would be equally (un)comfortable with either, Harrington just seems like the better fit. At least, beyond mop up duty on the saddest Sunday known to man.

by coldpizza on Aug 10, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not voting either way...

but, I do think the righty-lefty thing is overdone. The Cardinals just 2 years back were running a 2 QB system with Leinart and Warner. That did not seem to have any negative impact on their play… other than Leinart just not being that good.

by GobBluth on Aug 10, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken

but when was the last time Arizona used a TE with any given regularity? Freddie Jones? Not that it’s a huge part of the Saints offense either, but it would be nice to see that change at some point, considering what we gave up to get Shockey.

by coldpizza on Aug 10, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Saintsational on Aug 10, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it be nice

To have a Cassel?

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by 108 on Aug 10, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brunell for a week

Harrington for a season. They seem like equal dropoffs in productivity though. I think Brunell would take the sudden pressure better, but Harrington, sadly, is likely he easier fit for a long-term adjustment. We do have a lot of high-price talent around the qb though, so maybe it wouldn’t be as bad as the most catastrophic thing ever. Pittsburgh got to the postseason in ’03 with insurance salesman Tommy Maddox at the helm. It would just take a LOT of “stepping up”, particularly on defense.

by FuSoYa on Aug 10, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ink Mike Vick

Remember how terrible Bouman was? All we heard was how great an arm the guy had but he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn when they put him in the game. Harrington is just as lost mentally as Bouman was. Brunell is pretty much dependent on hand offs at this point. So I guess I voted for Harrington because he can run a little bit faster and he has more arm….you just never know where he’ll throw the ball. He always looks so confused while holding the clip board on the sideline.

I say we ink Mike Vick. At least he would be confusing for an opposing defense. Imagine trying to defend against him and Reggie Bush. Talk about a Wild Cat offense!!! Plus PT + Mike Bell? What a mess for the opposing defense. And Vick wouldn’t have to be that accurate with Colston, Meachum, Devrey and the forever wide-open Lance Moore…AND the Shocker. Just bringing Vick in to shake it up a bit would be fun. Okay, okay, we’d never actually do that. ;)

One more thing: I seriously doubt that Vick would garner a lot of negative press in New Orleans. We’re all about redemption and second chances—the whole franchise is a second chance right now. If on the other hand he tanked then he could drink away his sorrows in the FQ.

And yet one more benefit: we can give him some a mediocre contract that is 3-4 years long, laced with incentives, just in case he’s good. Then we can trade him to the AFC if he has anything left in the tank. Select the QB of the future with the draft picks we get in the trade.

I have it all worked out, lol.

by xen-cuts on Aug 10, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

vick?

not a chance.
he was not a good QB before and im sure he is worse now.

MT

by MT_always on Aug 11, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think We Could Go Far With Harrington

I really think that Harrrington could eb a field manager and play with all of our immense talent. We could have a balanced attack (would probably really need to do that) and with all of our weapoons and our great offensive line, I could see us being a serious contender with Harrington. Now I am not ready to replace Brees, not by any stretch of the imagination. But our offense now is propelled by Brees because he is an unbelieveable talent. If our offense needed to be propelled by Reggie, PT and Colston/ Snockey with Harrington just managing the game (like Phil Simms used to do and the Balt QB who won the SB, as well as what Delhomme has done and Rothlisberger did last year). It’s doable. Brunell could do it too. Might even be better.

by Philinwood on Aug 10, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

harrington had some major issues in detroit with decent receivers. He showed flashes though, I agree. He just scares me.

by xen-cuts on Aug 10, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joey

Had recievers sure but when he had defenders in his face before the ball was in his hands its hard to find those guys down the field.

He has had the pressure of being “the saviour” removed from him now, and a chance to learn from an actual QB. Again something he has never had before.

I think .. my opinion… is that he will do just fine if we need him. Do i want him starting for us? Hell no.. Brees is our boy.. but if Drew says “Hey coach i need a min to catch my breath… put Joey in for a drive” I dont have a problem with that.

MT

by MT_always on Aug 11, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if Drew says "Hey coach i need a min to catch my breath… put Joey in for a drive" I dont have a problem with that.

I’m trying to come up with all the possible scenarios that might lead to this sentence being uttered:

a. Brees just ran a 99 yard QB draw and Payton elects to onside kick.
b. Drew has developed acute asthma and the game is being played in Denver.
c. The Saints have relocated to Los Angeles and are playing in the game in a heavy smog.
d. Brees was standing too close to Garrett Hartley’s kicking net and caught an inadvertent cleat to the ol’ apple bag.
e. Jonathan Goodwin ate at Pancho’s the night before.

Hell, that’s all I got.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 11, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh crap … can’t laugh out loud at that…

by FriarBob on Aug 11, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Panchos

I’ve never been but I want to go. They just re-opened. Are you in NOLA cold?

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by Saintsational on Aug 11, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Metairie. Love that place. I’ve been about 2 or 3 times a month since they re-opened.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 11, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say Harrington…but as my pic indicates, I might be a bit biased.

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by AllSaintsDay on Aug 10, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

harrington

  Harrington’s a bum? Please let us not get to him!

by greyghost5632 on Aug 10, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much a wash.

It’s the age old argument, “Youth or experience”? I would have to go with Harrington. I know he’s not exactly young but he does have more experience than Brunell has youth! LOL

by vicvega26 on Aug 10, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'd go with Brunell

it’s like trying to figure out if you want Vince Young or Collins? You’re going to go with the guy that is proven because:
1. The guy has gone to 3 pro bowls.
2. He’s always been pretty accurate with a 60% compared to Harrington’s 56%. 56% isn’t bad but 60 is better.
3. 84.2 QB rating for Brunell to Harrington’s 69.4
4. Brunell has more TDs than interceptions while Harrington is the other way around.
5. Brunell won’t have to move much with a line like ours.
It all boils down to who’s done better # wise and experience. Harrington has 3 years and could probably still use a little bit of grooming. Also, Harrington has been bad possibly b/c of lack of talent around him but IDK any WR that Brunell has thrown to either though. I think they should let Harrington gather the knowledge of the vet QBs and be the third string. Give him 1 or 2 more years to be the #2.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Aug 10, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First:

Brunell was throwing to Jimmie Smith and Keenan McCardell. They don’t sound like much but if you look at their numbers, they are nothing to sneeze at.
Second: Wouldn’t it suck as a quaterback if peope were saying you needed 5 or 6 years of grooming before you could be a number 2! LOL Especially after being a first round draft pick! I’m not saying I disagree with you, it’s just funny! LOL

by vicvega26 on Aug 11, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call on McCardell. I tend to forget he was a Jag, being that he bounced around so much his entire career. Kind of like Andre Rison. Productive player just about everywhere he went, just never stayed in one place very long.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 11, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"IDK any WR that Brunell has thrown to either though."

You don’t know Jimmy Smith? I’d imagine he’ll at least be starting to appear on preliminary HOF ballots within the next few years.

by coldpizza on Aug 11, 2009 12:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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