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Cincinnati Bengals @ New Orleans Saints: The View from Section 140

New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma (51) intercepts a pass in front of Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Andre Caldwell (87) in the first half of their NFL preseason football game in New Orleans, Friday, Aug. 14, 2009.  (AP Photo/Bill Feig)

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5 months ago: New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma (51) intercepts a pass in front of Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Andre Caldwell (87) in the first half of their NFL preseason football game in New Orleans, Friday, Aug. 14, 2009. (AP Photo/Bill Feig)

Bittersweet.

That's what tonight was for me. Not so much because of the Saints on-field performance, though it did leave a bit to be desired, but because of the location of my new season tickets. While I was excited about being closer to mid-field this year and on the Saints side of the Dome, I was a little nervous about just how low and close to the field I was actually going to be. As it turns out, my fears were well founded.

After arriving late, being held up at the gate by the Ticket Fiasco of '09 (see below) and losing my friend I hurried through the concourse and rushed to my seats making it in time just to see the first series begin. I was both elated and pissed when I discovered that I would spending the season in the second row. Sure, it sounds awesome to be sitting only two rows back and with the team so close I can spit on them. I also think I'm surrounded by friends and family of the players. But it's a double-edged sword my friend. The damn players block my view of the field! And if it's not the players, it's the down markers or the television crane. Son of a...

I spent most of the game brooding and trying to rationalize this most recent turn of events in an effort to make myself feel better about the situation. Fortunately, I did realize two things. First of all, the Dome will be undergoing major renovations over the next two years and I thought I had remembered them saying the Plaza Level seats would be upgraded. Just checked the Superdome's webpage and my suspicion proved correct:

New Sideline Seating--Complete replacement of the Plaza Level (lower bowl) sideline seats, moving them closer to the action, resulting in improved sightlines,

Perfect. I also remembered that this was pre-season and there are 80 players standing around. Once the season starts there will be 27 less people obstructing my view. Sweet. 

So I'm willing to stick it out and see what happens. These things usually turn out alright for me. Regardless, this season is going to be interesting from the bottom of Section 140 and I genuinely think that the proximity of my seats to the Saints sidelines will completely change my perspective of the team. Though I may not have the best view of every down, I will be able to see the emotions and interactions betweens players and coaches as each play unfolds throughout the course of a game. Surely this will remain an eye-opening experience. 

Enough about my own personal tribulations, let's get down to what we all came here to talk about: The game. After the jump are my initial notes in no particular order, personal pictures from the game and the open thread roll call. Remember that I haven't watched the game again on television and with the crummy new view from my seats, I could really be off base on some of these observations. Make sure to click the picture for all of the AP's photos from last nights game.

Star-divide

  • The Ticket Fiasco of '09. For the last few years the Saints have printed their season tickets in booklets, with each page being it's own ticket. This year they went all cheap and put the entire seasons tickets on one big perforated sheet. Each individual ticket, however, has two perforations; one that separates each ticket from the next and one that separates the stub of the ticket that contains the barcode. Apparently, a lot of fans didn't look too carefully when ripping their game ticket from the whole sheet and failed to rip the entire ticket, leaving the barcoded section at home. This led to mass confusion, holdups at the gate and separate accommodations being made. 
  • We've been expecting Jonathan Vilma to play a huge role in Williams' new defense and to be the "quarterback" on that side of the ball but this was a hell of a start. It almost makes you think that Williams knows what he's doing and is actually getting the results he wants. Crazy notion. If you're pissed off about the fumble at the end of Vilma's run, don't be. Dude had to be tired. Besides, the end result of the play pushed the Bengals all the way back to their four yard line. That would never have even happened last year and Cincinnati would still have been in Saints territory so it's a step in the right direction.
  • How fitting that the Saints defense starts their season off with a big turnover thanks to Darren Sharper and Jonathan Vilma, who play the two key positions in Williams' defense. Two turnovers from Vilma is great and they followed through on that "scoop and score" mentality we've heard so much about about. Overall, the Saints won the turnover battle +1. Good signs and a step in the right direction. So if the defense is fixed, what aspect of the team will begin to break down and lead to failure?
  • The answer to the above question could very well be the running game. I didn't see anything worth writing about. They're still having problems with short yardage. Last night seemed to be Lynell Hamilton's chance to show what he's made of but I certainly wasn't impressed. I wasn't impressed by anyone in fact. And you cannot put the ball on the ground three times. Not good at all. Pierre barely touched the ball, though, so that should count for something. 
  • Robert Meachem looked pretty good and saw a lot of playing time. Still, his touchdown catch was against Cincinnati's second team so I'm not so sure that's a completely accurate gauge. Got a little nervous when he took his time getting up after that one play. 
  • Malcolm Jenkins wasn't given a chance to play until late in the game but he used his time wisely and was responsible for causing the Casillas interception. Not a bad start. I would like to see him get more time with the second and even first team.
  • When I got back home I quickly scanned the game thread and was glad to see that everyone else seemed to agree with me. Jason David is done. He really needed to shine tonight and prove that he could thrive in Gregg Williams' new system but he did just the opposite. Rather, he kept doing the things that made everyone hate him in the first place and it felt like old times in the Dome last night with everyone cursing David's name. 
  • While we're on the subject of cornerbacks, I'm still not sold on Randall Gay. I never was, not even last year, and I really don't understand why some people continue to think he's good enough to start. He's not. Certainly not now. Your starters are Greer and Porter. End of discussion. 
  • Congratulations to Jeremy Shockey for getting his first touchdown as a Saint and getting that monkey off his back early. Hopefully, this is a sign of great things to come. We know how dangerous a good tight end can be in Payton's system. 
  • They were advertising on the jumbotron for a local television show called, "The Sean Payton Show" that will begin this fall. I have know idea what the format will be but my interest in piqued. I'll keep you updated.  
  • I've got to be honest, Garrett Hartley's missed field goal really had me nervous. Like a bad omen. But he made up for it with the 54-yarder so I'm not as worried anymore.
  • I caught a brief glimpse of one of those remote controlled stadium blimps at the start of halftime but as quickly as it appeared, it was gone. Probably malfunctioning. Anyway, look out for that this season if you're attending the game. 
  • I think Skyler Green can kiss his job goodbye. I know he gets the local love every year, being from LSU, but I just don't think he can cut it. 
  • Brunell was solid and clearly better than Harrington. No surprise. We learned last year how good of a backup Brunell is. 
  • It looked like Morstead was the better punter. Pakulak kicked a short one out of bounds. Morstead pinned a very nice one inside the 10-yard line and another mediocre one. 
  • Charles Grant may have looked fast while running after Ochocinco but he also pulled up with a limp while chasing down Carson Palmer. All he was doing was running and minutes later he's got ice on his knee. That, to me, seems like a sign of poor conditioning and I don't like the look of it. 
  • Rod Harper has got to be the surprise of the game. He looked pretty decent last night, making two big receptions. He also shined during the Black & Gold scrimmage last week. If any of the young guys are actually going to crack the wide receiver lineup, Harper seems to be it. 
  • Darren Sharper looked good. He was responsible for causing the first fumble. And how about that big hit over the middle on the attempted pass? To quote Borat, "Vary niiiice." 
  • Actually attending pre-season games sucks. Now I know why season ticket holders usually give them away every year or just don't use them. It's just not the same. There is no energy. 

 

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The Dome at dusk. 


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I've already had my lawyers contact their lawyers regarding naming rights. They're gonna pay for this. 


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The stadium was nowhere near full. 

 

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Gumbo close up. 

 

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Shockey interacting with the crowd. He really is a ham. 


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Mike Nabors doing his thing. 

 

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For the single guys. 


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More for the single guys. 

 

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The new defense. 


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I can barely see the damn field. 

 

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Lovely. Couldn't have found a better place for that thing. 

 

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What I wish the view looked like. 


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Just some game action. 

 

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Hartley keeping fresh. 



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The offensive line.

 

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Reggie icing up the knee. 

 

Here is the roll call for last nights open thread. Thanks to everyone who stopped by. It was great to see so many names on there. 

 

Total Users: 34

Total Posts: 463
Total Threads: 1

 

 

Name# of Posts
satchmo26 74
nanvinnie 51
Monkey Poop Battle 35
Just Some Guy 32
fruly 30
carolinasaintsfan 27
Norml912 26
knucklesmalone 23
FriarBob 20
vicvega26 18
SaintBevo 18
N_O_1saintfan 17
FuSoYa 13
skinnykinney 12
FrenchFreak 8
Steve the fan 7
HansDat 6
dell00 5
AKAY47 5
DaymanCometh 5
BayouRebel 5
nosaints8700 5
MtnExile 4
TonyChachere 4
SBookerSaintsFan 3
YESSaints 2
saintsfan77 1
ShadowFlash 1
Realsaint 1
GSO Saints Fan 1
Ditka'sGhost 1
janepriceestrada 1
pukenbowl 1
Philinwood 1
Poll
Are you satisfied with yesterdays performance?
Very much
53 votes
A little
149 votes
Not really
32 votes
Not at all
8 votes

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If you want to give away your tix I'm right here!

I’m really disappointed in what I saw of the game. Cinci 1st string receivers wide open. Our offense not executing. No running game. Missed field goals.

How can I remain hopeful? I’ll tell you. We look slightly improved and we just got edged in most of our losses last year. It might be enough.

Don’t get me wrong, I want to win by 50 every game. And seriously, Payton needs help on the running game from an outside consultant or something. And Harley…why do you do that to us? Why? And Grant, seriously you stupid tub of lard?!? Get a trainer and get into shape and stop EATING the Saint’s salary cap!

But I think it was good enough for Payton to clean it up and get better. It’s enough of a team to be good but I’m not going to give Payton the credit to actually make it good because it’s all reverses and flea flickers w him, lol.

So I expect one game over 500 and I hope I’m wrong and hapsghost calls me a pessamistic jackass when we win 14 games en route to a big win in Miami…

by xen-cuts on Aug 15, 2009 6:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Damn

I really posted that much? Jeez, my boss is probably P.O.ed.

by Just Some Guy on Aug 15, 2009 6:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's okay

If he asks, just put on your most serious face and say “Well at least I didn’t post as much as Monkey Poop Battle”. I’m sure that will make it all better.

by Monkey Poop Battle on Aug 15, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you guys weren’t even close to Satchmo’s league. So there. All better now.

by FriarBob on Aug 15, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awwwwwww

I’d love to have the problem of seats so close that the players obstruct your view of the field. :-) Actually, I can see how it could be a little frustrating.

I was encouraged by last night. I’m currently watching it again on NFL Network this morning. The D is definitely better than last year’s Gibbs Gumbo. They are swarming to the ball much faster and applying more pressure on the QB. The secondary will get better. The first step needs to be to keep David off the field.

The 1st string offense needed a couple of series to knock the rust off. The run game still needs some work. I don’t know the stats for the Bengals, but I think they had one of the better run defenses last year, if I’m not mistaken. They were ranked 12th in total defense last year, so part of our run game woes may be due to Cincy’s stout run defense. Still, Payton and the O-line need to find a way to impose their will on opposing teams with the run game. We’ll face a lot of stout run defenses this year. I wasn’t impressed with any Saints RB last night. I thought Heath Evans was supposed to be better than our beloved Mike Karney. He wasn’t last night.

I’m confident the team will improve in all areas before the Lions roll into town. There was sloppiness from both teams last night. I saw Gregg Williams smiling and laughing it up with players, so he must be happy. I think he said he didn’t expect perfect execution from his squad in their first preseason game. I’m still insanely optimistic.

"He has got a good ol' boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol' boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,"--Gregg Williams describing Bill Johnson. The D WILL ROCK THIS YEAR!

by satchmo26 on Aug 15, 2009 7:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They did. The Bengals were 12th overall in yards, even with the dead last offense. Their actually run numbers were pretty bad, but their YPC was in the top 10 I think. The reason being that on each individual play they were pretty good but because their offense had the most 3-and-outs of the entire league (or close enough at least) the opponent got to run a few hundred extra plays.

by FriarBob on Aug 15, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense

I was loving every moment of the defense (exception Jason David). The swarming to the ball was incredible. The position I was especially paying attention to was the D-Line. The defensive ends were looking great. Didn’t hear or see much of Smith though. You can be upset with Charles Grant, but the guy caught up with ochocinco (probably b/c of the great angle he took). Hargrove was a beast. I thought he was trying to tear the guys head off on his first sack. He might be a little crazy, but I love people like that. My kind of guy. I did expect to see a lot more from Bobby McCray, but it is just the first game of the preseason. Overall, better D than last year, so I am happy.

by Brazil meets LA on Aug 15, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey man

me and my brother are in sec. 141 i’ll look you up for miami

by sernycrusher on Aug 15, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

come on down

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by Saintsational on Aug 15, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sernycrusher, stand backwards in the row in front of him and just stare at him with a goofy smile on your face. Eventually he will acknowledge your presence. Takes a while, so be patient. He gets a lot of wellwishers and hangers on.

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hartley

better be up early this morning kicking…..the 54 yarder was nice but we need consistency from that spot in order to make the playoffs.

by WhoDatPHaltnMD on Aug 15, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Everybody calm down.

JD played abysmal. No doubt about that. No he does not deserve to start. But, he played really well in the second half of last season. Let’s hope he shakes it off and can contribute as a 4th or 5th CB. Stay optimistic Saints Faithful.

by S'portDave on Aug 15, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BAH

JD….
We have given him every chance to show us something.

We have made excuses for him.

NO MORE!

Get rid of him!

MT

by MT_always on Aug 15, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

He’s too big a salary (2M+) to be a #4-5 option at CB, and Leigh Torrance has the same skillset, with the bonus of being a bigger player and less of a salary cap liability.

David needs to go.

by GSO Saints Fan on Aug 15, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...

…let’s look at one more issue:

Jason David was a decent (decent: i.e. the Colts were OK with letting him go!) cover 2/Tampa 2 corner, the Saints typically play a man defense. After TWO SEASONS, David is still insisting on playing the cover 2 technique in man coverage. Not only is he overpriced for his talent level, he’s too damned hard-headed to adjust to a new defense, even when he’s getting paid the big dollars to do so.

The TD he gave up against Henry last night was a perfect example of him trying to play like a cover 2 CB in a man defense. He tried to knock Henry off his rout, whiffed, and never caught back up, even after grabbing him and getting called for illegal contact.

He needs to go.

by GSO Saints Fan on Aug 15, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

boom rec'd it

Damning evidence. I’m reluctant to pull the trigger, but it’s over, JD.

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randall Gay

looked like crap, as well. Anyone still convinced Pierson Prioleau doesn’t make this team, btw? I laugh at thee. Hard.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 15, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe I am apologizing for Jason David

But……who led the team in interceptions in 2008?

David woke up in the second half of 2008. You can’t deny that. He looked asleep last night but it seemed as if every pass was being thrown his way. In a real game situation would he be lined up on Henry or 85? No most likely not. GW said JD was doing well at camp.

The coaches probably won’t cut him because it was just ONE PRESEASON game. You guys are overreacting a little bit. There is no way he is going to crack the starting lineup. Torrence and Gorrer are unproven. Porter doesn’t seem like he can stay healthy. I’m all for cutting David’s pay, the Saints should pay for production with every player.

Bottom Line: Stop the knee jerk reactions and let the Preseason develop, before we go into panic mode.

Thankyou and Goodnight

by S'portDave on Aug 15, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with the following statement...
Porter doesn’t seem like he can stay healthy

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by Saintsational on Aug 15, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Porter

He was injured last year at camp, he was injured during the season, and he is injured again.

by S'portDave on Aug 15, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was injured in camp last year?

I don’t remember that. The injury that ended his season last year was just bad luck. Dude broke his wrist trying to make a play. It CERTAINLY wasn’t suspect of conditioning issues as many other of last years injuries were so I can’t hold that against him. And as far as this year is concerned, I think he’ll be good to go for week one.

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by Saintsational on Aug 15, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Porter had the headset on during the game too

They let the leader, the guy who needs to know what’s going on for when he can get back into the game, he’s the guy wearing the headset. Unless that was black ipod earbuds. In that case, never mind.

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can't afford a CB that "woke up in the second half of 2008" this season!

And if you think he’ll just take a pay cut…well…your boss needs to have a talk with you first thing Monday morning.

I think you might be overreacting to Porter’s injuries last season, speaking of overreacting.

David is a liability, and a large chunk of the team’s salary cap number. He should be cleaning his locker out right now.

by GSO Saints Fan on Aug 15, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Just a shout out to the posters who found the stream last night. It was great to watch the game live. I hate to beat a point to death, but JD has got to go, not geaux -but go as in bye-bye!!!!!!! By the way, the pictures from the dome are on time.

A SAINT in Panther country

by carolinasaintsfan on Aug 15, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well let's see

at CB we have Porter (who only has a mild injury), Gay, Jenkins, Greer, and Torrence besids David…we can release him I would think…

by Philinwood on Aug 15, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno, Dave

Maybe you should hold off on suing BK. I could get used to calling you Angus…

"Look, I'm not a -- -- -- -- savior." - Gregg Williams

by HansDat on Aug 15, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

I’m loving it

It's better to die like a lion, than to live like a pussy

by #23fan on Aug 15, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

pic. very nice. if she really loved the saints i’d have to seriously consider getting rid of my fiance and looking her up :P lol

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Aug 15, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your doubts about Gay

Obviously David has to go. He played with exactly the same lack of competence that he always has, and we have plenty of replacements. Randall Gay got beat a couple times too, though, and he is standing in the way of better personnel. Greer/Porter to start, Jenkins in nickel, Gay or Gorrer in Dime. That’s what I’d like to see.

by FuSoYa on Aug 15, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, thanks

to whoever posted that justin.tv link. That was awesome.

by FuSoYa on Aug 15, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

charles grant

great read but, why pick on charles, grant seemed to be in great shape, i’ve watched the play where he ran down chad from behind several times, that was quite a burst from a big man. you can bet not many D linemen could make that play. it was one of the best extra effort plays all night. watch it again than say your sorry for besmirching his conditioning.

by r c a on Aug 15, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I acknowledged the nice run to chase down Ochocinco...

but one play a high-paid defensive end does not make.

As I said in the post, Grant also pulled up with an injury while he was chasing down Palmer (or other Bengals QB) in the backfield. To me, it’s somewhat frustrating to see our starting defensive end get injured while simply running. Sure it’s early in the pre-season and everyone still needs to get in shape, but I think that might hint at a lack of conditioning.

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by Saintsational on Aug 15, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was thinking

he didn’t stretch as well as he could have. he’s a big guy and it wouldn’t surprise me if he was just sorta like, i’ll barely stretch till the coach looks this way then i’ll make it look like i’m trying hard.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Aug 15, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In his defense

he did just run down chad 85.

by FuSoYa on Aug 15, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't it Grant

that blew up the double team block and caught Palmer around the ankles (the play when he dropped and regained possession of the ball)?

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by coldpizza on Aug 15, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

grant seemed to be in great shape

I don’t mean to be argumentative, but #94 is fat. You can see it in his face. His weight might be close, but his muscle has been replaced by fat and water weight. Classic decline after signing a big contract.

Doubtful that any team would trade for Grant. Waiver wire, sure. Starter? Lower echelon teams only.

besmirching his conditioning.

He was the only Saint who couldn’t complete the conditioning drill in camp on Day 1. And 2. and I think 3. Don’t even try to defend his conditioning. He lazy and doesn’t care.

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why hating

look,i have been down on grant the last few years also, but he really has come in this year looking better, gregg williams seems to be happy with his effort, he’s having a good camp.

you really think he doesn’t care? that’s harsh.

it seamed like malcom jenkins had trouble with his first couple of days in camp.maybe he doesn’t care?

grant does a lot of thing for this defense you don’t give him credit for ,one thing opposing QBs can’t roll to his side, he plays as well as any big man in open space. few QBs can get the edge on him one on one. he has the ability to pick great pursuit angles (look at the chad chase down) . few teams run 2 bootlegs to his side.

he also is the best end on the team against the run, he is very stout.

now i know it’s all about sacks with some people but maybe his coaches didn’t put him in a position to get sacks,as i see more of gregg williams’ D, the more bland gibbs" D looks.

by r c a on Aug 15, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

truth hurts
you really think he doesn’t care? that’s harsh.

rotoworld.com, about the 4 game suspension:
Grant bears some of the blame, as he could have served the suspension last season while a triceps injury kept him out of the lineup.

Meaning he’d forfeit his checks for those games he didn’t play anyway while he was hurt. Yeah, he doesn’t care except about himself.

And watch your keystrokes about #27. He already cares more about the Saints than perhaps #94 ever did.

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's funny

jenkins holds out for maybe a half o’ mill or so, misses substantial amounts of camp, maybe costing him a starting spot.that’s caring.

not taking a four game suspension,while your case is still in court is selfish. deuce could have done the same but maybe he’s selfish too?

now, i like jenkins. he is a great asset to this team, but his holdout cost the team more than grants not taking his medicine,

by r c a on Aug 15, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's funny how you can't argue with facts
not taking a four game suspension,while your case is still in court is selfish.

Yeah that’s right. He was hurt, unable to play. Take the suspension. You’re out anyway.

jenkins. he is a great asset to this team, but his holdout cost the team more than grants not taking his medicine,

Jenkins is a rookie. Grant is a veteran starter missing the first 4 critical games of the 2009 season when he could have put it all behind him last year. You’re not making any sense. Give up or bring some facts.

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's review

T-Pic:

Since he signed a seven-year, $63 million contract extension in 2007 that included $20 million guaranteed, Grant’s production has tailed off dramatically with 5.5 sacks the past two seasons after getting 36 the first five.

Last season was particularly disappointing for him, on and off the field. On the field, he was limited to 2.5 sacks and missed the last eight games because of a torn triceps. Off the field, he was indicted on a charge of involuntary manslaughter stemming from an incident in Georgia, and he faces a four-game suspension to start this season for violating the league’s drug policy.

DeShazier:

The silver lining to Charles Grant being lost for the season – if ever there is a silver lining to a player being placed on injured reserve with eight games remaining in the regular season, and his 4-4 team in desperate need of his services – is that if/when he is suspended four games by the NFL for testing positive for a banned diuretic, he can serve his penalty while on injured reserve.

with Grant, at least the disruption caused by his absence begins and ends at the same time. Plans can be made to offset his departure, he can serve his suspension while he’s injured and the Saints don’t have to sit around counting on his return.

Oh yeah, except he didn’t do that. Because he’s selfish and only thinking about his game checks!

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your facts are

i believe , grant has had 2 bad years, and he should have served his time last year. well wake up, just about everyone on the D has had a bad 2 years, smith, young, shanle…. don’t get me started on the DBs. so why single him out? we now know will smith was hurt all of last year, rendering him infective. why didn’t he take the rap and start this year fresh ?
this suspension thing is good for the saints, they were forced to address the position aggressively, the two roster exemptions will help the saints big time. the front office has done a great job bringing guys. i’m happy with my D ends,the first time in a long time.

now to the thing about jenkins being a rookie, the saints drafted him for immediate help, not as a project , but a guy ready to play day one .

the time he missed reduced the competition in camp, hurting the team .

by r c a on Aug 15, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Child, please…

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by stujo4 on Aug 16, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"he can serve his penalty while on injured reserve"

[needs citation].

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 15, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was great to see the boys in action

The D looked good and just need to clean up a few areas. Shockey and Sharper are the two players that really impressed me.

Saintsational wasn’t the only one here whose view was obstructed……….. HOLY CRAP!!!!!!! The Hooters in Denham Springs has WAAAAY too many distractions for any man to try and watch a football game. A matter of fact I had to get up and walk a few of those “distractions” off

It's better to die like a lion, than to live like a pussy

by #23fan on Aug 15, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oops forgot Sharper

Yeah, impressed me too. Old man was hitting people and running around out there. I’ll be changing my avatar soon.

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not enough on Shockey

Big bonehead looked really good out there last night. The TD was awesome. All you Shockey haters, let’s here it. Come on….

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“hear” it

Waitin’..

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a hater or a lover,

But damn he looked good last night! After that TD, the sight of Shockey and Brees on the side-line going over stuff almost brought a tear to my eye. If those two can make a connection, it’s gonna be awesome!

by SaintsFan-KS on Aug 15, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Shockey

I noticed he was one of only three Saints players with their arm in the air during the opening kickoff. Garrett Hartley and Anthony Hargrove were the other two. In Hartley’s case, it’s a signal to his on-the-field teammates, in preparation to his approach. When the arm drops, prepare to run. For Shockey and Hargrove, it’s simply a show of team spirit. My point is, there are certain players that are more into the game than others. We’ve all seen players that walk around holding up four fingers at the start of the fourth quarter. Is that a necessary reminder? Of course not. Everyone in the stadium can look at the scoreboard and see that there’s 15 minutes remaining in the game. Still, it’s the character of certain players that finds a way to bleed through. Sometimes that can be a good thing. Sometimes it can be bad. There’s no doubt in my mind that we have a player with character in Shockey … and it’s not ALL bad.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 15, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boom! rec'd it

I’ll probably be the only one to rec it though. Shanle looked pretty good to me last night. I don’t mean Pro Bowler or anything, but he looked pretty good.

"He has got a good ol' boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol' boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,"--Gregg Williams describing Bill Johnson. The D WILL ROCK THIS YEAR!

by satchmo26 on Aug 15, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's why I get so frustrated with Shanle

He always does JUST enough to keep his job. He’s spotty. Sometimes he shows up and plays pretty decent. Other times he’s the weak link. I freakin’ hate it and there is no reason why we can’t get somebody who is going to show up every damn day.

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by Saintsational on Aug 15, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave, that’s the best he can do. All the time. Poor, plodding, dim, Of Mice and Men, cornhead Shanle. I wish every game is a Denver game for him this year.

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good adjectives, Stuart!

"Look, I'm not a -- -- -- -- savior." - Gregg Williams

by HansDat on Aug 15, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shanle

made a couple of nice plays last night, but they both were a ways up the field. My biggest complaint with him has always been his reactionary skills and poor angles of pursuit, which were on full display last night once again. Fujita, as well. As a starting tandem, they’re just not very good all-around OLBs. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be on the team. They just shouldn’t be what we settle for as starters.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 15, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

inexcusable dumbass shortsighted corporate thinking (and fans, did you think they wanted you to keep that barcode as a souvenir? Idiot child...)

“Mr. Benson, we saved 7% off our season ticket printing costs by implementing those changes you ordered. Right on track sir! Penny saved etc, just like you say, sir!

“Ha ha. Gayle will be tickled! Thank you, Dennis. You can clock out a little early today.”

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by stujo4 on Aug 15, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can fully appreciate the 7% savings and would like to personally thank Mr. Benson for magnanimously sharing a portion of it with his loyal season ticket holders, by knocking a tiny percentage off the price of the tickets. Oh wait, that part didn’t happen.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 15, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seen this movie before?

missing short field goals, payton losing challenges, getting stuffed on short yardage runs, and jason david getting flamed. as he guy behind me said Jason David couldn’t cover a wall with paint." did not like it at all despite the final score. even the lions can win in the preseason

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by MobileSaint on Aug 15, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The ever-flaming Jason David

If only his incompetence would burn out.

by Just Some Guy on Aug 15, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was anyone

paying attention to RB pass blocking? I was especially impressed with Olaniyi Sobomehin. Saw him pick up a blitzing Bengal at least three or four times late in the game. I know he was going against second and third team defenders, but that’s all he and the offensive line in front of him were, too. Lynell Hamilton did ok there and broke off a couple of nice runs, but his two fumbles were glaring. If he gets a visit from the Turk after next weekend, he has no one to blame but himself.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 15, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Run-game

I’m not too worried about it. Averaging 2-3 yards per carry isn’t bad considering we were probably using the most basic of run plays. Plus, our two main backs only had, what . . . 6 carries between them? Either one if given close to ten touches probably would’ve broken of a few 10+ yard runs. My hope is that they decided to change the run scheme to a quick opening, counter, misdirection, cutback type scheme, but I’m sure that wasn’t the case at all. I wonder if it has occurred to SP that it may be easier to switch from a bruising back rushing sheme to a quick opening one designed for faster more agile backs, than it is to ask all of your backs to become bruisers. Just a thought.

by Hooahsaint on Aug 16, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seats?

Saintsation, you do at least HAVE season tickets. I’ve been on the waiting list since 06. So, while your seats may not be the best, you do have the seats, which is definitely a good thing. Hopefully your sightlines improve as you said. But when the view gets bad and the cameras and yardage markers get in the way, remember that you are AT the game and have another beer.

by Hooahsaint on Aug 16, 2009 1:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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by Saintsational on Aug 16, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

The people who say, "Winning isn't everything," don't win very often.

by Hooahsaint on Aug 16, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That view is pretty bad

I’ve sat in the plaza a couple of times in similiarly empty conditions and could never appreciate the angle. I know they say you get what you pay for, but between the two, I’d much rather my lower terrace seats. Of course, loge and club blows everything else out of the water. I’d just rather be able to retire someday.

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 16, 2009 4:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

There should be some kind of clause . . . “Save the owner from certain death, get lifetime club tickets.” I’ll go to run him over with my car, and you can push him out of the way at the last minute. We split the tix. It’s a win, win.

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by Hooahsaint on Aug 16, 2009 5:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grant

On Grant’s pull up while chasing down the QB…. well to me anyone can tweak something, sh_t happens. But in order for him to tweak something, he had to be applying effort. That effort was running his ass off to attempt to tackle a scrambling QB. I think he obviously cares and is putting forth a lot of effort for his team. On Shockey, well I have always liked him. I am just glad he seems to be coming around because he certainly did impress me with that TD catch. Look at it again, contact by at least two of the defenders out of the three that surrounded him right when the ball got there. That was great concentration to hall it in. And of course Mr. Brees for throwing it right on the money. He is the man. Jason David, hum well I never jumped on the “hate you David” band wagon but sure as hell always walked beside it. I don’t care for the guy’s play. He may be occasionally lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time (i.e. last year’s interceptions) but he is no cover guy. His consistency comes in the area of getting burnt. He’s got to go. I am quite pleased with the defense. The first string “D” was on the field for the first quarter and they forced two turnovers. That is more than we have seen in a whole game most of the time from or last years “D”. I saw a couple of long pass plays but hey it is gonna happen to every team. I did see less in this game than last year so evidently our secondary must be covering better. I am optimistic about this year.

by narco301 on Aug 18, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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