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Welcome back

To that same old place that you laughed about

Well the names have all changed since you hung around

But those dreams have remained and they've turned around

Who'd have thought they'd lead ya

(who'd have thought they'd lead ya)

Back here where we need ya

(back here where we need ya)  

-John Sebastian

Couldn't have said it better myself. 

By now we've all overcome the minor shock of the news that seemed to come from nowhere last night. The Saints have brought back kicker John Carney after a two year hiatus from the team and Garrett Hartley appears to be suspended the first four games of the 2009 season. Yet amidst all the surprise and sheer confusion, nobody seems to be shouting for joy from the higest mountain about this most wonderful turn of events. Let me be the first. 

This is freakin's sweet!

Sure, I'm a little nervous and a wee bit frustrated because this reeks of the same stench as all of the other failed chapters in what has been a never ending saga to gain consistency in the kicking game these last two years but, hell, Carney is coming off a Pro-Bowl season. What more could you want?

We obviously don't know the circumstances behind Hartley's suspension and we definitely don't know how this will effect his standing with the organization. The cover story, of course, is that this move was just to create a little competition in camp...

"We're always looking to increase the depth and competition at every position on our roster, and bringing John in certainly allows us to do that."    

...and that's certainly a wise move that I have no problem with but considering the looming suspension of Hartley, it seems about as coincidental as the release of a long snapper following a bad business deal. It sounds, at least, as though they're going to keep him around to compete through training camp. 

So it will be interesting now to watch what happens during camp between Carney and Hartley. If the suspension is upheld, JC will defintely be the Saints kicker for the first quarter of the season. What happens after that, however, is now up for discussion. To be sure, Carney is a short-term solution and the Saints should continue looking beyond this year. I personally would like to see the team keep Hartley around, possibly using him for kickoffs and some of the longer stuff. He has been perfect so far in the regular season and to begin doubting after the single missed field goal Friday night would be a bit harsh and unfair. He nailed the 54-yarder. But I firmly believe that if Carney starts the season, he also finshes it, which is exactly what the Saints need. Carney's accuracy and consistency provide one of the few missing pieces to the championship puzzle.

Remember that Payton has already acknowledged his mistake of letting John Carney go the first time around... 

I’ve said this before and looking back at the success that John (Carney) had with us, you don’t take it for granted but in hindsight we wouldn’t have made that move and it’s alright to acknowledge that. 

Hindsight, as they say, is 20/20 and Sean Payton is getting one of those rare second chances that don't come around too often for coaches in this league. Surely he's learned his lesson that accuracy and consistency always trump distance in terms of the kicking game. So would he really be foolish enough to take Carney for granted...again? 

Poll
What do you think will happen?
Hartley will be cut.
21 votes
Carney will kick the entire season.
67 votes
Hartley will take over after his suspension.
69 votes
They will split duties following Hartley's suspension.
109 votes
A third kicker will enter the picture and it will cost the Saints a draft pick.
9 votes

275 votes | Poll has closed

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With all things equal...

I believe age will be the deciding factor to reinstating Hartley as kicker. Mainly to save having to replace an aging Carney in a year or two. History repeating itself.

by WhoDat_OH on Aug 16, 2009 7:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What happened in New York?

Why did the Giants not resign Caney? Anybody know?

Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !

by Big and Easy on Aug 16, 2009 8:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

From what I recall they signed him as an injury replacement for Tynes in the first place, so

maybe you don’t lose your roster spot because of injury…

or maybe since he punked out and missed a couple kicks in the playoff game vs. Eagles…

or maybe WhoDat_OH’s right, too…

"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.

by HansDat on Aug 16, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No idea

I guess they just liked Tynes’ stronger leg. Sound familiar ?

by WhoDat_OH on Aug 16, 2009 8:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Just What We Need

JC will definitely win some games for us and kick field goals the rest of the season. However, he’s not deep on kickoffs and Hartley will come back after suspension and be used for kickoffs.

Will this be the year I finally get to pop this cork?

by dicecar18 on Aug 16, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, we tease him a lot ’cause we signed him on the spot
Welcome Back, Welcome Back, Welcome Back (CARNEY)
Welcome Back, Welcome Back, Welcome Back

Excellent musical/television pop culture reference, Dave.

"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.

by HansDat on Aug 16, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Sir or Madam,

Please excuse Garrett’s absence from team activities. He is sick in bed with a horrific case of the Hong Kong hangnails. The doctor has him on muscle relaxers and Fierce Grape Gatorade. He should be back, raring to go in October.

Epstein’s mother

"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees

by coldpizza on Aug 16, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figure Garrett's agent just HAS to be Freddie "Boom Boom" Washington

You can see him strutting into the conference room at #1 Saints Drive to discuss this with Loomis…

“Hi there.” (with a big smile on his face)

"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.

by HansDat on Aug 16, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it said Carney made the Pro-Bowl team last year

If he did so, how could he make that if his kickoffs were so short? Maybe they weren’t so bad? Maybe thet decide kickers much more based on FGs and XPts than kickoffs? Did a second kicker make the pro-bowl as a kickoff specialist? Anyone have any stats on Carney’s distance on kickoffs??

by Philinwood on Aug 16, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost the same as his career average

Year Team G KO TB Pct Yds Avg Ret Ret Yds Avg Start
2008 NYG 15 78 3 3.8 4765 61.1 73 1590 30.7

His career average is 63.1 yards. Average every year has almost always been in the low 60’s.

Compare that to last year’s other Pro-bowler (Gostowski)
2008 NE 16 94 17 18.1 6067 64.5 75 1672 27.2

And, Hartley’s 8 games:
2008 NO 8 49 9 18.4 3211 65.5 39 950 27.9

Not as bad as we think it is.

by slumD on Aug 16, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good find, slumD

"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.

by HansDat on Aug 16, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think they'll split

carney taking anything less than 40 and hartley taking the longer ones. They might actually like the idea of Moorstead trying to kick the longer ones and kick off and boot him too. I think i saw it said that he was a kicker in college too and that he wasn’t too bad.

Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D

by skinnykinney on Aug 16, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering that same thing about Morstead

"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.

by HansDat on Aug 16, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the bar is set high

I think that to any of us Saints fans that have been fans a while, no one will ever really satisfy us in the kicking game. I think that is so because the bar is set pretty high. Two words, “Morton Anderson”. We got used to getting up to go to the bathroom or getting another beer when the Saints kicked off because we knew every time not much would happen because Anderson would boot it into the end zone. Most of the time the return guy would take a knee or the ball would bounce through the end zone. Hell I even remember on occasion wishing we would get points for kicking off through the up-rights because some of his kick-offs would be field goals. And when it came to field goals, he was as automatic as it gets. If they were more open to voting kickers into the hall of fame, (I think there is only one inducted if I remember right) Anderson would be a sure thing. Of course there is that little thing about playing for the Saints that would hurt his chances (i.e. Ricky Jackson).

by narco301 on Aug 18, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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