Changing of the Guard
by Dave Cariello on Aug 21, 2009 6:00 AM CDT
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PrintI never got around to writing any further analysis of the Saints Friday night game against the Bengals but I did watch it on my TiVo about three times. Had I written something, it would have been about how much better I think this defense has become; a slight contrast from my initial observations.
There were a lot of great things I saw during the game to get excited about. For example, Who Dat Nation seems to be taking lightly the two turnovers in the first quarter of the game. For the last two years the Saints have focused heavily on creating more turnovers to no avail. This season they came right out of the gate with two in the first quarter. That was a statement and you can't expect more from them so quickly.
Yet many fans expressed disappointment over the still lacking pass defense, not undeservedly, but that has already been dealt with swiftly this week with the loss of Jason David and the rise of Malcolm Jenkins over Randall Gay. I think these last moves are the final necessary improvements and I'm expecting even bigger things this Saturday night against Houston.
And there is no doubt in my mind that this defense is only going to get better. Nevermind the fact that Williams has acknowledged he's keeping the good stuff tucked in his back pocket until the regular season, only showing a limited number of fronts. Vilma's fumble recovery against the Bengals is a shining example that this defense is capable of learning quickly. Williams has been preaching a "scoop and score" mentality since day one so it's no surprise that Vilma quickly picked up the ball in stride and ran downfield with his ready teammates. Bobby McCray explains...
You saw how fast it happened, when everybody reacted and started heading down the field after we got the ball. That's what we've been practicing the whole time. We practice what we preach. When it happened, it was just like the back of our hands, basically. It was just looking at it, then grab it and go. It was real easy.
It's refreshing to hear quotes like this and they're evidence of Williams' influence. What we're witnessing is the actual on-field execution of sound fundamentals and good coaching. That good coaching could very well take this defense to the top. I know these are wildly premature speculations after only one pre-season game but there is a light at the end of this tunnel and I think the days of this defense being the perennial scapegoat are now over.
Since everyone believes the offense is just fine and it's been merely the defense holding the Saints back for years then I'm implying they're going to have a great season, right? Not so fast. Remember who we're dealing with here. I haven't been cautiously optimistic for nothin'. Something is bound to cause this otherwise promising season to crash and burn, it's only a question as to what that will be. Personally, my biggest worry is now whether the Saints will be able to run the ball effectively but what do you think? Maybe you find the kicking game worrisome or think injuries are piling up at an alarming rate. Perhaps you disagree with me completely and still think the defense will be the problem.
What will make Saints fans want to throw their remotes through their televisions on Sunday afternoons this winter?
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My concerns lie mostly with
injuries. Although I believe our starters compare favorably with any other team, there is a HUGE drop off to the #2’s. The only position that isn’t the case is the D-line. But there too during weeks 1 to 4 with the suspensions.
by WhoDat_OH on Aug 21, 2009 6:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
The lack of a ball-control offense
If they can start finding a way to grind out 5-7 minute drives, they will become very dangerous. It doesn’t have to be all through the rush either, a concerted “dink & dunk” passing attack, making sure that the receivers are not running out of bounds can be just as effective.
Irony: An atheist Saints fan.
I peed a little in my pants when
I found out Jammal Brown is going to Philly to get the check on his potential hernia. I am hoping for half the injuries that we had last year. I would be ok with this. He is not great, but the O-line was solid.
I am just tired of crying in my morning fruit loops when I wake up every Monday morning during the season.
by Brazil meets LA on Aug 21, 2009 6:46 AM CDT reply actions
What will haunt us....
ANY running play that gets us less than 2 yds. I don’t care who, how, where, or why. Those plays kill us.
Injuries, always a threat. The o-line is….
As far as the defense is concerned
I agree with you that getting rid of JD is a key factor. I also think when GW implements his full pressure package, we will go nowhere but up (even if we get burned in the beginning occasionally- hopefully not). That’s why our first two games are good- pressuring Detroit should be easier than, say, pressuring Indy, and then there’s Phila. Well, even though that will be a challenge, they are having OL problems with injuries, they have Rookie WR and RB who will get major playing time, and they don’t have great TE’s, so they liklihood of getting burned as the result of a blitz, stunt etc, while definitely present, is not as great as against some other teams. Plus, Mc Nabb, an excellent QB, really doesn’t want to run at this stage of his career even though he is excellent at it and breaks tackles to avoid sacks extremely well.
I am thinking we may not even see some packages and looks vs Detroit as he may save them for Phila and others unless he needs them for Detroit. We can’t and he can’t take Detroit lightly, but the reality is we should be able to beat them without throwing the kitchen sink at them and just playing solid attacking defense with only 80% of our stunts, looks or packages.
I have a question that relates to your post. Why does any defense in the NFL NOT adapt a high energy, pressuring, aggressive defense ala GW, Jim Johnson, NY Giants, Pittsburgh Steelers, etc? How can you get a defense pumped up to its max without turning them loose and preaching “sacks, strips, turnovers, pressure, attack” – and it seems that some defenses (ala our old DC and others) don’t emphasize that approach. What defensive player who is worth a salt wouldn’t prefer to attack to the nth degree as opposed to just reacting or bending but not breaking, or attacking half-heartedly If you go down, you gotta go down swinging, not with a whimper.
Most do preach it
it’s just not something that’s brought up every time you mention a team’s defense, like it is here. Most team’s fan bases are quick to place blame on an individual player’s shortcomings, rather than on the universal scheme being run. For whatever reason, that’s not the case in New Orleans. We’re satisfied with our mediocre talent and choose less obvious targets of scorn. It’s little more than spin doctoring on the optimistic tip, for all intents and purposes.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
cause...
agressiveness can lead to oppurtunities for the the other team
A stay safe prevent everything from hurting you D…. can work okish with a high powered offense.
A ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK creates mismatches a good offense can take advantage of.
There has to be a balance to it.
Last year we were the first option.. and did it badly.
This year maybe we are the 2nd option and might get some bad burns yet.
BUT….. if you do the ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK option… you can hopefully take that “oh i got a play QB” and make him sorry his momma kissed his daddy. Put the fear back into them and they will be trying to get rid of the ball so fast we can hopfully create turnovers.
MT
I agree
you just have to attack better than they adapt and they take advantage. There are vulnerabilities. I see the Eagles often rush 7 guys, and I have to actually Tivo it and count again because I don’t know how 4 backs can cover it all. And I thinkj I have seen them rush 8 which is crazy. But, on the other hand, the DBs only have to cover for 2 seconds (actially less) and everyone knows if the QB gets more than 1.75 seconds, let’s say, it’s not the DB’s fault and they execute with a vengence as a result. Not getting to the QB is not an option.
Clock control and 4 man pass rush
Some RB has got to be able to generate 4 yards per run consistently for us to win games. I doubt we get many big gouges from the running game, and only from draws when we do, but positive yardage on the ground has to happen somehow, and I don’t think we have much new to be hopeful about in that area. Past that, just staying in bounds and running down the play clock would help a bit. In the Bengals game, the first offensive series was well-rounded, but got very little momentum. Then, as if to prove how easy it still was, Brees went out and scored on three passes in about two minutes the next go round. We need something like a bizarro two minute drill. We need a ten minute drill.
On defense, I think almost all of our offseason transactions were positive, but we still had mediocre pass rushing in the first half against Cincinnati. They HAVE to scare the qb more consistently for our db upgrades to make a real impact.
I’m pretty sure our defensive ranking will improve by 5 or 7 slots, but I’m afraid when it comes down to it, we will find ourselves in the same kind of nail-biters roughly the same number of times, and with very similar results if one or both of the aforementioned aspects aren’t improved significantly.
Umm, also, run defense. Damn it all, I just don’t know yet which part is gonna break my heart in ’09! Very exciting times…
run defense?
Our run defense was not a issue.
We were one of the better run stoppers if i recall correctly.
It was just that we couldnt stop a pass
MT
I think we were average against the run(15th or 16th, I don’t remember exactly), but I meant that we may experience a dropoff in that category. We didn’t do particularly well against the run versus the Bengals. In fact, apart from the fumble recovery, we did kind of poorly. Also, we go up against two of the best run offenses two times each. I don’t know how we’ll do, but I think it’s a legitimate concern. If we can slow the run, but can’t defend a pass in 3rd and long, like all of last year, and in the case of David and Gay last Friday, then that won’t be our biggest problem anyway.
I believe....that Gibbs was good at that
we were good at run stopping because of our scheme last year. While it doens’t match well with an explosive offense, it was effective against the run. If you aren;t blitzing or applying pressure it is easier to defend against the run. That’s why I think the D will be improved, and we will win more games, but ultimately people will be able to run against us.
They were tied for ninth best last season, but that can be deceptive. Opponents were being forced to keep pace with our offense and had a relatively easy time passing the ball. That’s not exactly breeding grounds for a rushing attack. It was also under a completely different scheme. Kind of difficult to expect marked improvement in one area, while not digressing somewhat in another. Not saying it’s impossible to exceed at both, but we’re talking about roughly the same lot of starters on defense. Under that scenario, a change in scheme is likely to produce different results … but “different” doesn’t always equate to “better”. I also think FuSoYa was touching upon what we’ve seen so far of the run defense under Williams. Which, through training camp and one preseason game, hasn’t exactly been anything to beat our chests about. Hopefully that’ll change. Otherwise, we’re looking at a seesaw effect, at best.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
I agree ...
the rush D numbers from last year are a little skewed. With our quickfire offense alot of teams were playing us from behind (or felt like they HAD to score every time) and abandoned the run to hit our weak link. Sorry “Toast”, I mean JD.
by WhoDat_OH on Aug 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, Philly looked like crap last night.
They have zero depth, too many offensive rookies and “up-and-comers”, and a shredded O-line. I think they’re headed for the gutter of the NFC East this year.
by FuSoYa on Aug 21, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying they'll be pushovers
McNabb is still a great qb, Westbrook is still the definitive scatback. And they still have Vick buried in their trick bag. But they’re getting hyped(like every year) as the unstoppable team of the NFC. They looked quite stoppable to me. Their defense was extremely porous as well. They made Indy’s 3rd qb look like he should move to the Bay Area and vie for a starting job. The NFC East is tough, and I don’t think they are going to be able to stay on top of it down the road.
I think
that due to the fact that we play in the division we do (three excellent offenses) and will be playing the NFC East (three excellent offenses) and NFC North (one excellent offense, two possibly very good offenses), and because of the learning curve of a blitzing scheme, we’ll probably finish in the bottom half. This is not to be a debbie downer, and I do have faith in Gregggg, I just think it’s pretty unlikely that we’ll shut many of those guys down, especially considering the nature of our offense.
Also, Philinwood, a number of extremely successful defenses over the last decade have been conservative, bend-don’t-break defenses. Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin’s Tampa-2 was really the ascendant defensive strategy in the league before the success of the Steelers last year convinced everyone to switch to a 3-4 blitz look. The Colts had the top-ranked scoring and third-ranked yardage defense in 2007, and this while only ever blitzing Bob Sanders. The Redskins last year didn’t play a Tampa-2, instead playing almost straight Cover-1 (local favorite LaRon Landry playing free safety up top), but they rarely blitzed for a predominantly man-coverage team. Nevertheless, they led the league in three-and-outs. Blitzing/aggressiveness is not equivalent to success in the NFL; maximizing your personnel’s strengths is.
"They held somebody, but they sure didn't hold LaRon Landry."
by Walter FTW on Aug 21, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
actually,
now that I think about it and take us out of the equation, we’re only playing two excellent offenses in the division (I’m not too frightened of Tampa).
"They held somebody, but they sure didn't hold LaRon Landry."
I think you mean AFC East and NFC East
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’m really not worried about defensive ranking. They only take yardage against into consideration. The only defensive stats I care about is points against and turnover ratio.
by WhoDat_OH on Aug 21, 2009 11:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
boom rec'd that too
maximizing your personnel’s strengths is.
She said, "You're strange, but don't change", and I let her.
Doom and Gloom? It's Pre Season!
Ok, as a long time Saints fan I understand all the negativity going on on this page. Waiting for the other shoe to fall so to speak. But, for Christ sake give it a rest!!!!
If you think we are going to be a power running team, get over it! We are not built to be a power running team! We have the #1 rated Offense in the frickin league for Christ sake! Yes we need to pick up a few more 3rd and shorts and fourth and 1’s. So does every other team in the NFL!!!
This Defense is going to be better than any D we have seen since the Dome Patrol! Count on it! If we have a top fifteen D with the number one O, we will go very far!
Philadelphia has used a similar Offensive style to ours with great success!!! Their D is always in the top of the league.
I compare where we are with where the Eagles are. Brian Westbrook and Reggie Bush are similar animals…Reggie if he is healthy is better! Piere Thomas will surprise a lot of people, except those who have been paying attention for the past few years!!!!
So, give the doom and gloom a rest and start acting like you’ve seen a winner before!!!!
Anyone remember 2006? Two short years ago and a crap load on injuries!!!
I can’t wait for this season to start! Quit expecting the worst and start expecting the best! The BEST lies ahead!
ya'll are smoking too much of da chronic
saints def rank #20 would be a big deal…top half of the league? come on! if we make it as high as #14 def in the league, i predict, right now…we will goto the super bowl. no doubt in my mind
(it aint gonna happen. we could get to the big game, but we will not crack the top 1/2 of the league in def)
And I think you’ve got it exactly backwards here. For example, allow me to hold up last year’s season for the team we just finished wiping the floor with, the Cincinnati Bengals. Last year they were 12th overall in Defense, but almost dead last in sacks. They were actually very weak against the run overall but very good in YPC (opponents ran on them to run out games knowing Cinti wasn’t coming back no matter how many times they went 3-and-out and punted). Their offense at the same time was dead last. Absolute bottom of the barrel. The year before they were 27th overall in defense and 10th in offense.
What changed? Well offensively it was a lot, but defensively only two things:
1) They got one high-priced defensive FA and drafted a starting LB. Both were on IR by mid-season.
2) They got a new DC who put their feet to the fire and got them to believe they could do something. (Sound familiar?)
Now some of the increase in ranking comes from the fact that teams weren’t bothering to run up the score because they knew the Cinti offense wasn’t coming back. But a lot more of it came from the fact that the D simply was a whole lot better.
When you compare our front four to theirs we have them beat hands down. Our reserves may have their starters beat. LBs they have the lead, but in the secondary it’s very close. When you add it all up… well to think we can’t jump into the top half of the league in Defense when your offense can force the opponent into “catch-up mode” AND we can actually get some pressure on the QB AND we have some decent folks in the secondary (finally)… sorry, it’s not me who’s smoking something.
Oh and btw, the Bengals jumped from like 18 to 12 over the last two weeks of the season by beating up on some teams even worse than they. The group of average defenses from ~8 to ~22 is just that tightly bunched. So I would say that only if we have a top FIVE defense AND offense would I guarantee a SB berth. And I think that’s unlikely, though theoretically possible.
Rey Maualuga
Man, that guy looked awesome last night. How in the world he dropped to Round 2 is a head-scratcher. What a Steal.
someone above posted that we have roughly the same defense as last year, and I beg to differ
because we now have Sharper, Greer, Jenkins, Spicer, Hargrove and possibly a couple of young linebackers to back up that might help a little, we have Porter back (he missed most of the season), and we have GW which is huge. Also, what we don’t have is Jason David which is another huge thing, and Pressley will play this year and could make an impact. Dunbar is no longer a rookie and I look to him to contribute, and Prileau is on the defense. Coleman is on the squad, Gorrer has looked good, I think it is a vastly changed defense and it will show. Also, Vilma will be more of a beast as he is not getting used to his teammates and a system, he is now settled in. Charleston Ditto. Leigh Torrence Ditto – he joined the team mid-season. And, I now view not having Grant (and possibly Smith) for the first 4 games as a plus.
by Philinwood on Aug 21, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
agreed
the main point is the upgrade of the secondary though, imo. our DBs are good enough that if we put pressure on the QB, we can get turnovers or bat the ball away. We have Sharper, who is a veteran and although he’s lost a step, he knows his position better than anyone else in the league and has the instinct to still make plays. We have a group of DBs(top 3, porter greer and jenkins) that did not get burned on the long ball. Also, I agree about Pressley. I think he is flying under the radar because his camp is not going as well as last years but I think he could be a run stopping DT very well and force a few double teams because he is so big and strong. Vilma will get better. We already saw that in the 1st game. When we blitz, i trust our secondary to be able to make a play and not get burned every other time. Huge upgrade to last year where even in a cover 2 D i was afraid it was going to be 6 if they just threw the ball up to a WR going long.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 22, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
what was said
was that we have roughly the same lot of STARTERS on defense.
Outside of the two suspension fill-ins, the only probable changes to the starting lineup are Sharper, Greer and whoever winds up stepping into Brian Young’s DT slot. That seems to have very little to do with the overall improvement of the run defense. You can rattle off all the new names you want, the point that you’re dealing with roughly the same core eleven remains.
Also, Gregg Williams is NOT a starter on defense. In what amounts to a scheme versus personnel argument, you’re citing scheme (GW) as a reason scheme will override personnel? That’s deep. I’m not saying they won’t be improved in some areas of defense. They probably will be, considering it’s an ENTIRELY NEW SCHEME with roughly the SAME STARTERS. But, do you see that there’s a point of contention there? NEW versus SAME.
It’s not like they went out and signed 11 new starters, all better than the players they had before. If improvement is made at all, it’s going to be in certain areas, while other areas digress. Judging by the personnel changes, I would say odds are you’re either going to have an improved pass defense and a less effective run defense.
Defensive aggression typically leads to draws and increased use of the tight end. We’re now faced with Tony Gonzalez and Kellen Winslow twice a season in the NFC West. What offsets that? There’s no let up in the RB talent we’ll be facing. Turner and Williams are back. Derrick Ward’s now a concern.
At BEST, I see the pass defense and the run defense being approximately equal, i.e., run of the mill. That’s just the law of averages. Rarely do you see opposing factors work in the same direction. When was the last time you witnessed a seesaw form a V? It simply doesn’t happen.
Also, if not having Grant and Smith for the first four games is a plus, then surely the players filling in for them are better, at least in your mind. So, what happens the other twelve games of the year, when Grant and Smith are starting? Or does the eternally optimistic seesaw automatically teeter to give the two former suspendees the athletic advantage, once they’re back in the fold?
How often does a team dominate defensively in BOTH facets of the game (pass and run), REGARDLESS of the scheme being run PERIOD, much less with the scrubs we have working in our front seven? These are questions you should be asking yourself, while you’re whacking off to a DC whose squad DIGRESSED just last season.
Tell me, is that a fact that has escaped your attention, or do you have excuses for that, as well? The Jaguars went from 12th overall in 2007, to 17th overall in 2008 in yardage surrendered. In points given up, they plummeted from 10th best to 21st under Williams. I’m not saying that will be the case here. He actually has a very good track record overall. I’m just pointing out that he’s not the cure all, fix all. He’s already stated as much himself. And odds are, neither are the three (count ’em, THREE) changes they made to the starting lineup.
It’s inevitably going to take an established running game to balance our offense, which will in turn balance our opponents’ offenses (at least, while they’re playing us), which will in turn balance our defense, which will in turn give us the best chance of winning with the mediocre talent we’ve been dealt.
I’m sure that makes very little sense, being that they’re all Pro Bowlers in waiting in your mind. I’m also sure it will start to sink in a little more week-by-week, as the season wears on. Once you get back down to my even keel level, let me know. I’ll buy you a beer.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
correction
We’re now faced with Tony Gonzalez and Kellen Winslow twice a season in the NFC South.
Never have gotten used to that.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
bend but dont break d sucks!
i heard someone mention playing balanced defense and not always attacking on d. i completely disagree. our whole problem the past couple of years was playing passive defense.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 21, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
I predict
Our Defense will be ranked between #12 and #17. Oh, we will improve this year, don’t worry about that. Jason David is no longer the headache and our 2ndary is probably the deepest it’s ever been. The torment of us giving up big plays will decrease significantly this year. However, it’s the Run D I’m worried about.
Me too, a bit… But, if we have a 21 point lead or whatever we won’t be worrying about our RUN defense… :)
That’s a great point, as well as a testament of why it’s more important to strengthen the side of the defense that matches your offense’s strengths. Both are still important though, as you’re not guaranteed to open up a 21 point lead on anyone with a solid rushing attack.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
YES! In the top half, at LEAST
Pass the kool-aid, please.
However, I will be watching our short-yardage running game (especially with Jammal maybe out with that hernia surgery), and kicking game very closely. Although with a better D, maybe they can make a stop after we choke on a thrid and one and give us the ball back quickly.
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
Today's flavor is cherry
Drink up.
Here’s what we know or have heard:
Malcolm Jenkins is looking to be a stud.
Tracy Porter is just as real as he seemed to be last year.
Will Smith is fiercely motivated and having the best camp of anyone on defense.
Scott Shanle has impressed Gregg Williams, yet remains unknown to everyone else in the league.
Anthony Hargrove is looking like a monster pickup.
Darren Sharper still has game…but Usama Young is pushing him.
Roman Harper is back to playing the style in which he made a name for himself in college.
All the signs point to a huge upheaval in the defensive standings this year. That upwelling mass forcibly shoving its way to the top will be the Saints’ defense. After a preseason of vanilla schemes and ho-hum improvement, the Saints are going to explode against the hapless Lions in the first game. But the NFL won’t really take notice until after we’ve spanked the Eagles, the Bills, and the Jets as well…and started 4-0.
Like I said…today’s flavor is cherry. Tomorrow’s is lemon-lime. I’m saving grape for Sundays during the season.
"Man, these fans are off the charts."
--Drew Brees
by MtnExile on Aug 21, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
upwelling mass forcibly shoving its way to the top
oh, for a minute there I thought you were talking about something else…like those boys as they drool over that pic of St. Rita mixing appletinis
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
Nice round-up.
Jenkins is already so good at understanding the game that he could probably play where ever he’d please on our secondary. Here’s a weird thought: try him out on 3rd and short. If what you’re all saying about reading the play unfold in front of you before hitting the right hole, why not try out one of our already most brilliant football brain at it? Go sacrilege all you want but I’m still far from sold on any of those fumble queers we got right now trying out at FB. If a brainless “Fridge” could do it, why not Jenkins?
Porter is what he is. He’ll get us a few picks and defend the ball well but, as last year and training camp shows, he’ll also get burn once EVERY game. Let’s just hope he’ll be a work in progress and get his act straight before mid-season.
If I was Will Smith, I’d cheer for Will Smith! Since Saints signed indecent numbers with both our DEs, it’s up to him to avoid pressure that comes with that kind of money. Pretty easy, just be better than Grant in our last 10 games. Come on Will, rent some Freeney tape! You do remember I was on your side when you held out at training camp, right?
All of a sudden, Shanle is a freakin’ hero. Maybe I missed out on something (143 tacles? Ha ha! Damn, just poped a rib) but, unless you got a 56 inch HD screen, you didn’t see much of him in the last 2 years. Even if Double-G is close to dating the man, I most strongly doubt that he’s as good as they want you to believe. Reliable? Maybe….Pulling his game up when it counts? I doubt it…
Hargrove seems to be appreciated in the locker room. If he can take that need of recognition and self-forgiveness on the field, he’ll be a our biggest asset on our front 4. The man is good.
What’s wrong with Sharper? You’d though a veteran would be able to correctly gage his efforts in training camp. So why the hell would he go for those kind of tackles against Houston? Sure, every bleeding black and gold fan went wild but we all know he wont be around come mid-season if he keeps that up. Relax Darren, Gregg is still high on you (and Prioleau) and Jenkins is humbly eager to learn from an old pro. Wait, isnt that Usama over your shoulder wondering why you don’t coach him as much?
As for now, and Williams seems to think alike, Reiss is sadly doing a better job than Harper.. Come on Roman, stand up!
Just get the D going!
by FrenchFreak on Aug 21, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
i just want the koolaid
i hate grape but i’m ready to drink it up anyways. i’m ready for sat. night
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 22, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
btw
maybe im doing something wrong on my end, but why is the time always in pacific?
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 22, 2009 12:09 AM CDT reply actions
check your settings
sounds like you’re time zone is set incorrectly on your account.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 22, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
good question - mine too
i just assumed it was that way for everyone
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
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