Canal Street Chronicles: Fleur-de-Links 8.25.09
wwltvsports practice ending. Focus on special teams, 2-min drill and 4-min drill today. Light practice overall.
wwltvsports Who sat out: R Bush, C Vaughn, J Harrington, D Woods, D Dinkins, J Brown, C Grant, D Sharper
JeremyShockey long day!!!! just got home
Pierre_Thomas Long day at the office. We're on that daily grind. To all the kids out there: the NFL is no cake walk - ya gotta work hard everyday! Who Dat
saints83 Glad to be out of camp, still had a long day but I finally got back on the field with my boys, I never thought I'd miss prac so much
Linkage
Coaches and teammates satisfied with New Orleans Saints linebacker Scott Shanle" - Times-Pic
"I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know," Shanle said, smiling, after being asked why people love trying to give away his job. "I'm not one that's going to go out there and talk about myself and throw my stats out there and say, 'This is what I've done since I've been here.' I've never really gotten caught up in that.
"As long as my coaches and teammates think I'm doing a good job, I'll have a job. So I really don't get caught up in that. But maybe we need to pose that as a question, have people respond."
"I'm very comfortable playing with him," middle linebacker Jonathan Vilma said. "I had a good feel for him last year, and we got better as the season went on, playing off each other. He's the most underrated player on our defense, one of the most underrated guys in the NFL on defense. I like the way he plays; I like the way he comes downhill.
"It's definitely one of those things where, if people were able to watch film the way we watch film and see the quiet things he does (they'd appreciate him). He's not a loud guy, not vocal -- but he's a real good linebacker.
"He takes on blocks, he covers his guys. There are plenty of times that he's covered Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates, and we left him one-on-one. (Shanle does) things like that, where it may not show up on stats but you look and say, 'Wow, he's one-on-one with one of the best tight ends in the NFL right now and doing a good job.' You can't really account for that with the media, but for us, as players, we look at that, and we appreciate it."
-Jonathan Vilma
"It's one thing if you feel like you're not holding up your end of the deal, you're not making a play, you're letting the team down," Shanle said. "But I feel like I've done some good things and made plays. I think when you start worrying about other things -- people don't like me, don't think I should be a starter -- you really can't concern yourself with that a whole lot. Just keep trying to do your thing."
-Scott Shanle
"I think it's going good," he said. "I'm getting a new understanding of a new defense. I think I carried over a little momentum from last year, just understanding the game."
-Scott Shanle
"I'm pretty comfortable," Shanle said. "Just going back to last year and building some confidence and understanding what offenses are trying to do, I think my understanding of the game is as good as it's been. That goes a long way. Even though I'm playing a new position, I still understand what they're trying to do."
-Scott Shanle
Fresh from arena2, Harper hopes to stick around - NewOrleans.com
"I've never really been a showboat-type of guy," Harper said of his high-stepping finish to his TD return against Houston on Saturday night, which drew an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. "It's just something that kind of happened."
"I definitely think it opened the coaches eyes a little bit to maybe making plays with the ball in my hand," Harper said. "So I think that definitely helped me out a little bit, but I think I have to make more plays on kick coverage and things like that."
-Rod Harper
"So he drags me down the sideline," Harper continued. "We go all the way down to the 15 and at that point I didn't even know we had a penalty. Then he's like, 'That penalty's on you and this is where we're going to have to kick the ball off.'"
-Rod Harper, on Heath Evans
"When I stepped in at Green Bay, I was unprepared," Harper said. "Coming to arena2 before coming here, I was in shape. I was used to a game that was real fast ... so I feel like it prepared me well, and being on a small field and being able to make catches in traffic, when I came back to the big field, it really helped me."
-Rod Harper
"It's definitely a long ways from arena2 — different pay and also the talent — but it's really a dream," Harper said. "I'm having a blast."
-Rod Harper
Camp Day 26: Specialty, 2-minute offense on display - WWL
Saints Preseason - What have we learned? - WWL
Kristian: Saints shift to "regular season" mode - WWL
Saints Head to Superdome for Workout - New Orleans Saints official website
"It’s where we’re going to play all of our home games this season and it’s where we should be the most comfortable," Greer said. "It just gives us a chance to get used to the lighting and beyond that, it breaks up the routine a bit, and every little bit helps at this point in training camp."
"For the receivers and defensive backs, the football is usually framed by the crowd, but on kickoffs and punts, it can get into the lights and against the darker ceiling, which can present it’s own unique problems. But if we get the extra work in here, certainly I think it’ll would work to our advantage down the line."
-Jabari Greer
Video: Kincaid: Saints get sense of normalcy in Dome - WWLTV
New Orleans Saints plan pep rally before season opener - TImes-Pic
"This year we are kicking off the season in a big musical way and integrating Saints excitement with the YLC for a concert at Lafayette Square," Saints owner/executive vice president Rita Benson LeBlanc said. "Bringing the team, mascots and Saintsations to our fans will make this the place to be on Friday before the home opener. It's Saints football fanfare and music free to our fans but all for a good cause as the food and beverage concessions benefit the YLC community programs."
-Rita Benson LeBlanc
Video
| Sean Payton news conference 8-24-09 |
| Saint Practice in Superdome |
Audio
WWL's Sports Talk
Sean Payton Press Conference Transcript
From the New Orleans Saints official website
Opening Statement:
"Just to go through the injury list: Jeff Charleston practiced, he has a thumb that he's working with; Scott Shanle practiced - he's better today; Pierre Thomas we sat - he has a medial collateral sprain. It's nothing significant but nonetheless we sat him. Scott Fujita was fine; Joey Harrington we held out today because of the concussion from the game. Billy Miller got work today. Pierson Prioleau got work today. Paul Spicer got work today. Zach Strief got work today. Of course, Stanley Arnoux is out. Jammal Brown was out. We held Reggie Bush with the calf strain. Anthony Davis has an elbow sprain; we held him - that was from the game. Darnell Dinkins is still working on the ankle and we held him. Charles Grant with the hamstring, we held him. Darren Sharper with the Achilles, we held him. Chip Vaughn of course and D'Juan Woods were held out."
Could we see Charles Grant back this week?
"This is a week where I'd say it's questionable now. He may or may not be ready for Saturday's game. If it's not, I envision him being able to play next Thursday night."
Reggie was pretty adamant that he's going to play in Oakland. Do you agree?
"I think we'll see him playing in this weekend's game."
Is this week Pierre Thomas' turn to get a featured amount of carries?
"We'll see. I don't know that it would necessarily be his game. Last week it was more of the nickel snaps that he got, but I'd like to see him get more base. The plan going in was to try to feature Mike (Bell) and give Pierre the nickel snaps. We'll see by Saturday."
As a veteran, does Pierre need time to show what he can do?
"They need the work. I'd like to see him get a few more carries and some more touches in the base offense."
Why did you move practice to the Dome today and what are the benefits of practicing here?
"The footing. Each year they put a new surface down and in the first preseason game we were still working through the cushion of the surface. They made some changes to try to firm it up and I wanted to get in here one more time before the company that put the surface down left town. That was really the main reason."
What did they do to the playing field?
"It was a mixture of the rubber and sand. It was a little soft the first time out; we were catching our feet a little bit. It was better today."
What is the story on Chip Vaughn?
"We're in our third week post-surgery. It was a scope. We're waiting to see how he recovers."
How much work do you think Reggie Bush needs?
"Like with Pierre, we gauge it by how we feel he's doing in practice. I think he has had a good training camp. I want to give him some playing time in this game and then I think he'll be close to being ready. I'd like to see him get out there in this game and get at least 20 snaps."
Do you expect Pierre to be back practicing tomorrow?
"We'll see."
Will Robert Meachem be involved in the kickoff return game again?
"You'll see Meachem; you'll see Courtney Roby as kick return candidates. Pierre Thomas has handled that as well. I think you'll see some of Robert in this game."
Could you explain the free kick situation from the 40-yard line you were working on today?
"At the end of a half or game, if an opponent is punting out of their own end zone with six or seven seconds left in the half or game and you have the opportunity to catch the ball in the air, you can actually fair catch it, place it down right there and attempt a field goal. That's the exercise we were doing."
Is there a story on how you found Rod Harper?
"It was really a case of Ryan Pace having a chance and seeing the numbers he was putting up in the Arena Football 2 League. He was off to a real good start, we saw some film and brought him in for a workout. He handled the workout pretty well and he has just competed now and worked hard. He has done a good job."
Where does he fit in the big picture as a returner or wide receiver?
"I think he's probably a little bit further along as a receiver than a returner. Some guys you might put in the other direction, but in his case he came in primarily as a receiver and we have given him work as a returner and he's good there as you saw the other night when he returned that punt."
Are his chances of making the team hinging more upon how he does as a returner though?
"I think it's both."
Are you saying that the fifth receiver will also need to be a returner as well?
"No, I didn't say that. You said it. Obviously versatility in special teams is important."
Could you address the change in the training camp schedule?
"I think we had gotten to a point with our two-a-days and we felt that we knew we were going to break camp when we broke for Houston and what I wanted to do was to get them into their in-season routine. That's mainly the case - to get them into the routine that we use during the season. That's what we're utilizing now."
How much does that have to do with you possibly thinking that the team is further along than you expected?
"We have a lot of stuff that we still have to work on. Fortunately we have two more preseason games and three more weeks here. We have to get a lot of things corrected, but I think mainly now it would be the equivalent of us returning to Metairie after we had been in Jackson. The training camp timeline ended after we finished practicing against the Texans in regards to the two-a-days. Getting into this routine is important."
Do you think you might come back to the Superdome for another practice?
"I don't think so. This is only the second time we've ever practiced here. We did it that first year to get used to the footing and the lighting. Today was just getting used to the surface. I don't envision us coming back here to practice."
How has Adrian Arrington looked since getting on the field?
"He played well the other night. It's good to see him healthy. For him, it's just getting through the hamstring and now he's close to 100 percent. I was pleased with that."
It seemed like you got a good look at the two punters today. How did they do?
"Both of those guys are competing. We're charting everything they do. Anytime they punt the ball, we're recording hang time and distance and making sure that we get a clean evaluation of both of those players."
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Heath Evans
After the TD kick return, I saw on TV Evans leading Harper down to the far side of the field and preaching to him. Now I know what he was saying. I still don’t like the flag. Geez! Let the guys celebrate a little at least. Deon Sanders and many others once got away with a lot more. They’re all grown men out there who aren’t going to start crying just because someone high steps or waves goodbye to them on their way to the endzone. The league dictators are quietly taking the fun out of the game.
Is everyone still down on Shanle after reading how the team thinks so highly of him? Maybe this lack of love from the fans will light an extra fire under him as he tries to prove them wrong, not that I think he’s all that bad as is.
"He has got a good ol' boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol' boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,"--Gregg Williams describing Bill Johnson. The D WILL ROCK THIS YEAR!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 25, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
In an effort to help him prove me wrong, I'm still down on Lunch Pale
That bit about Evans is my favorite thing I’ve heard about him yet. Whatever your feelings about the taunting rule, it gave Houston great field position. Let them know what’s up, Heath.
by FuSoYa on Aug 25, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
loved it as well. show’s that he has leadership abilities and isn’t afraid to let you know if you made a mistake.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 25, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Radio cuts
Just wanted to say thanks for the radio tidbits. I’m in Canada so its phenominal to get to hear local New Orleans radio. Keep up the awesome posts!!
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 25, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
hey cold pizza maybe villma liked colby too?
time for the shanle to hold our heads up,and shout “na naaaa na na naaaa”
SHANLE RULES!!!!!!!
Vilma complimented Shanle on his TE coverage, which is a Sam assignment, not a Will. To be honest, I haven’t seen a whole lot of him in that role, so I can’t comment one way or the other. I’m merely assessing him as a weakside linebacker, at which I view him as woefully mediocre. As in a 4 on a scale from 1-10 at best. He’s simply not a disruptive force at the position. A sound tackler? Right on. But so are 75-80% of all linebackers in the NFL, starting or not. And let’s face it, if any Saints player/coach agreed and/or verbalized these same thoughts, we would never catch wind of it as fans. Sure, the mere fact that he’s still around after three seasons says something, just not enough for me to make him the poster child for all that’s right (sic) with the defense.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
just messing
we’re not that far apart, i got him ranked at a 6, but there aren’t that many 7’s on up now a days, and i think the saints do use him in passing situations all the time, on 3rd and long he’s usually on the field. he’s a 3 down backer, he also had over 140 tackles (i think), 75-80% of the rest didn’t do that. he was not part of the problem last year. the important thing is gregg williams and villma think he’s part of the solution this year.
140+ tackles
and one very convincing stunt double, apparently.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
ok i looked it up
87 that’s still pretty good, 2 sacks, 5 PDef, one FF, i’m not saying he’s the best LB in the league, but we are lucky to have him. who would you prefer ? brooks?
OK I’m missing something.
Why does the TE have to be covered by the SAM? I know, I know, the SAM lines up to the strong side of the offense. But what happens if they have two TEs out there? Then where is the strong side? And how do you know presnap when there are two TEs out there which are run blockers (or blockers period, maybe for a pass) and which are going out as receivers? It would seem to me that you’d have to guess. And if you guess wrong (which I figure you’re going to do at least some of the time) then you end up with your WLB on a TE in pass defense.
Right? Wrong? Missing something? Off in outer space?
Another thing, why is the SLB always shown on the right side of the diagram? Did the TE used to always line up on the offensive left way back when so now the SLB is always diagrammed to the right even if he isn’t always there?
You’re correct, although two TE formations aren’t often used on passing plays. Meaning that yes, a WLB could conceivably be covering a TE downfield, but more often than not, it would be a short yardage situation and both TEs would be staying put to run block.
In a single TE formation, the TE typically lines up on the right side, as that’s the side within the QB’s immediate line of vision. If the QB is left-handed, the TE will line up on the left. In either case, the OLB to the TE’s side is considered the SLB (or SAM). The opposite is the WLB (or WILL). From the defense’s perspective, the SAM is typically on the left and the WILL on the right. I’m not sure what you’re talking about, as far as flip-flopped diagrams are concerned.
In the rare instances when a single TE lines up on the left — or goes in motion — defensive teams usually shift as well, being that the SAM is more accustomed to TE coverage. In the case of the Saints, this is usually Scott Fujita. Maybe they’re planning on working Shanle more on the strongside this season(?) Even if that’s the case, I really don’t think much more of Fujita as a pass rusher/backfield disruptor than I do Shanle, so I’m not sure what difference that will ultimately make. Sounds like Vilma has his OLBs confused. Understandable, all us whiteys look alike.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
hold your heads up
whoa, hold your heads up,
whoa, hold your heads up,
whoa, hold your heads high!!!!!
(and listen for the groovy keyboard…)
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
by Hans Petersen on Aug 25, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
And if they stare
Just let them burn their eyes on you moving
And if they shout
Don’t let them change a thing what you’re doing
Go Lennie! HIT somebody!
A worried man with a worried mind
YEAH, STUART!!!!!
That’s what I’m talkin ’bout. I forgot that verse…
That should TOTALLY be his theme song played over the Dome PA system whenever he makes a play. That should be on a t-shirt he wears under his shoulder-me-pads for every game.
Or at least he could write it on his lunch pail with a sharpie.
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
by Hans Petersen on Aug 26, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Shanle and Fujita switched positions.
At least that is what I gathered from the article. Not what the depth chart shows though. I guess we will see. Maybe they feel as though Shanle can better handle the physicality of the TE’s in the NFC South. Thus providing faster backside run support from Fujita.
Fujita didn’t play this past week, so they were probably just trying to see who worked best where between Shanle and Evans. I know Shanle made a pretty nice tackle on Owen Daniels just short of the sticks early in the game and it was on the strongside, so they were definitely mixing it up back there. Here’s hoping his play against TEs continues to improve, as he sure isn’t doing anything behind the LOS on the weakside. Evans = yawn cubed, but at least he brings it on special teams. I honestly can’t see them going into the regular season without picking up or trading for a someone to push for that spot. And I’m talking a shiny new pipe, not a half-ass patch job on the current leak. If Brooks is the best we muster after final cuts, Loomis needs to consider an alternate vocation.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't it say "this season"?
This is his thing: Playing weakside linebacker for three years and, this season, switching sides with Scott Fujita while acclimating to a new scheme and coordinator.
“I think it’s going good,” he said. “I’m getting a new understanding of a new defense. I think I carried over a little momentum from last year, just understanding the game.”

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