An Examination of the Saints 2009 Pre-Season Stats
by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2009 6:00 AM CDT
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PrintBecause I've been feeling pretty positive about this years pre-season and what it could mean for the regular season, I decided to closely examine this years pre-season stats thus far, look for anything interesting and compare it to figures from years past to try and gleen information. Below are the numbers I thought were most interesting. I know it's pre-season but what else do we have to look at? This post is meant to generate conversation so after reading this, make sure to join the discussion.
Notable Rankings
The following is a list of pre-season statistical categories and the Saints 2009 NFL rank in those categories so far.
| Category | Rank |
| Points Scored | 1st |
| Points per Game | 2nd |
| Point Differential per Game | 3rd |
| Offensive Yards per Game | 5th |
| Offensive Yards per Play | 4th |
| Offensive Passing Yards per Play | 3rd |
| Offensive Interception Rate | 1st |
| Defensive Interception Rate | 4th |
| Rushing Yards Allowed per Game | 8th |
| Passing Yards Allowed per Game | 32nd |
Below is a look at how the 2009 pre-season so far is stacking up to pre-seasons of the recent past. Since the Saints have only played two games and stats from previous years are based on four games, we're only looking at categories that are based on averages not quantities.
Offense
The Saints are averaging more yards per play so far than they ever did in recent history.
| Year | Avg. Gain Per Play |
| 2009 | 6.2 |
| 2008 | 5.2 |
| 2007 | 5.1 |
| 2006 | 5.8 |
| 2005 | 4.6 |
| 2004 | 4.5 |
| 2003 | 4.2 |
| 2002 | 4.6 |
| 2001 | 4.9 |
The rushing game is as good as it has ever been this pre-season. In fact, the only year it was equally as good was in 2006. That's gotta be good news.
| Year | Avg. Gain Per Rush |
| 2009 | 4.5 |
| 2008 | 3.7 |
| 2007 | 4.1 |
| 2006 | 4.5 |
| 2005 | 4.1 |
| 2004 | 3.3 |
| 2003 | 3.6 |
| 2002 | 4.0 |
| 2001 | 3.4 |
This one is interesting. The Saints are currently hovering at the high twenty-six minute mark in the time of possession department, significantly lower than most recent years. The only other pre-seasons the Saints were anywhere near their current time of possession were the 2006 and 2000 seasons.
| Year | Time of Possession |
| 2009 | 26:54 |
| 2008 | 29:19 |
| 2007 | 32:01 |
| 2006 | 26:04 |
| 2005 | 33:51 |
| 2004 | 29:16 |
| 2003 | 29:08 |
| 2002 | 29:25 |
| 2001 | 32:38 |
| 2000 | 26:35 |
Since 2004 the Saints have gradually improved their 3rd Down Conversion Percentage. The trend continues this pre-season at a recent all-time high.
| Year | 3rd Down Conv. % |
| 2009 | 45.45% |
| 2008 | 42.31% |
| 2007 | 40.91% |
| 2006 | 37.25% |
| 2005 | 36.76% |
| 2004 | 27.78% |
| 2003 | 44.26% |
| 2002 | 37.25% |
| 2001 | 36.67% |
Defense
Here is a look at how the defense has been doing on third downs against opponents. Surprising?
| Year | 3rd Down Conv. % |
| 2009 | 48.28% |
| 2008 | 40.74% |
| 2007 | 40.91% |
| 2006 | 41.82% |
| 2005 | 31.91% |
| 2004 | 27.12% |
| 2003 | 33.33% |
| 2002 | 38.98% |
| 2001 | 38.00% |
And this is what teams have been doing against the Saints pass defense. An improvement over last year, but not much.
| Year | Completion % |
| 2009 | 67.57% |
| 2008 | 72.17% |
| 2007 | 57.34% |
| 2006 | 59.62% |
| 2005 | 61.95% |
| 2004 | 49.61% |
| 2003 | 64.00% |
| 2002 | 50.00% |
| 2001 | 49.49% |
Okay, so I did include two quantifiable stats but they are good. The Saints defense has already, in two games, made nearly as many interceptions this pre-season than as they ever have in the six years prior.
| Year | Interceptions |
| 2009 | 4 |
| 2008 | 2 |
| 2007 | 5 |
| 2006 | 2 |
| 2005 | 2 |
| 2004 | 1 |
| 2003 | 1 |
We all knew this one already but it's just so damn glaring.
| Year | Takeaways |
| 2009 | +4 |
| 2008 | 0 |
| 2007 | -2 |
| 2006 | -7 |
| 2005 | 0 |
| 2004 | -3 |
| 2003 | -2 |
Special Teams
Here's another glaring difference. Is the punting really that bad or is one bad kick really skewing this years figure?
| Year | Gross Punting Average |
| 2009 | 37.6 |
| 2008 | 46.8 |
| 2007 | 46.2 |
| 2006 | 46.7 |
| 2005 | 43.4 |
| 2004 | 42.5 |
| 2003 | 42.9 |
| 2002 | 46.0 |
| 2001 | 44.3 |
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There is only ONE defensive stat that means squat:
Points Allowed
As long as the defense keeps the opposing offense off the board, we win. I don’t care where they’re ranked on yards allowed or anything else, what I want to see is a top 5-10 performance in that single catagory.
If they do, we go to the playoffs.
If they’re in the same range in turnover differential, there’s likely to be a nice shiny silver statue in NOLA in February.
Irony: An atheist Saints fan.
BAH and BAH
I will NEVER agree with that.
A defense CAN win you the game but there is no reason an Offensive cant win if the D doesnt LOSE the game
MT
I just threw that out there for bait, MT. Thanks for the set up.
In my head, the Steelers won the last super bowl with offense: Holmes’ non-catch for the win after the Cards scored 16 unanswered points in the 4th quarter. Defense didn’t win that game. Though I guess you could make the case that their D slowed down the Cards just long enough.
My life’s dream is to see the Saints put a bunch of points on somebody for a super bowl win. Not a 9-6 defensive struggle. But I guess I’d take it.
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
A championship isn’t the Super Bowl itself. The Super Bowl is merely the pinnacle game in a season whose entire body of work comprises that championship. No team has ever won a Super Bowl without a formidable defense, at some point in the season or postseason. No team has ever won a Super Bowl without a formidable running game, at some point in the season or regular season. These are both crucial elements in completing a championship run. A formidable passing game? Not so much. The balance helps, obviously, but keeping the ball away from your opponent is far more important, than moving the ball up and down the field at will yourself. You CANNOT lose a game, if your opponent never touches the ball. You CANNOT lose a game it your opponent doesn’t score. You CAN lose a game, no matter how many points you score, if your opponent matches you tit-for-tat AND just so happens to gain an extra possession in a time-managed game. Which is inevitably easier to accomplish, when the clock means nothing to the team lacking a defense.
"You'll have sloppy balls. You have to find a way to get a grip on it." -Drew Brees
you CANNOT play a whole game without the other team touching the ball either.
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yes, you can
While extremely unlikely, but it’s logistically possible to sustain a 30 minute drive, score with no time left on the clock, recover an onside kick to start the second half and repeat.
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
I've actually accomplished this
on a video game set to 15 min quarters, just to prove to myself that it’s possible. It takes a ridiculous amount of patience, field awareness and pre-snap clock milking, but it can be done.
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
though
I onside kicked to start the game. I wasn’t about to waste 30 mins of game play on a crappy bounce and I knew the computer would kick deep to start the second half. In a real game, you’d pretty much have to go about it the first way I described. Otherwise, they’d catch on and attempt an onside kick themselves, in order to ensure a possession.
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
if you're not medicated, you should be.
hahahaha. just kidding, kinda. hahahaha
Besmirching the reverence of the sport of customer service since Aug 26, 2009
Actually, no the Stoolers won that one because the Cardinals brought Gary Gibbs in for a consult on how they should play defense on the final drive.
The Steelers won
because the Cards scored just too fast enough to give the ball to the known ref favorites with just enough time to score on a beautifully run(and ref-assisted) two minute drill.
Well that helped...
But I mean come on, the Card defense went into ultra-protect mode for that two-minute drill. (In other words it looked like Gary Gibbs was the surprise last minute coordinator adjustment.) They didn’t blitz once and they looked like they were trying to hand the game away. So yeah I agree the reffing was a joke but on the other hand the Card D did all it could to help. And then some.
Their offense was almost a carbon copy of the Saints'
and in 08’ Saints fashion, they scored quickly and impressively, then left exactly enough time for their opponent to cut through their porous defense. I think it’s a clear case of how offense could have won a championship if the team had accepted it’s defensive weakness and played with that in mind when it counted. They spent all 4th quarter shredding the great Pitt defense, if they had pulled out that running game they had produced just in time for the playoffs, or kept to short passes in bounds for 1 MORE MINUTE, the game would have been theirs.
you ever play?
I played a bit till i blew my knee and one thing is very true…
You COUNT on your other side.. be you offense they defense.. you defense they offense..
to do THEIR job.
Are you sure you want to be the coach that tells his team to not score? OMG he broke thru the secondary SLOW down boy.. dont score dont score nooooooo he is running to fast slow down
MT
I’ve not played enough to point at it as an accomplishment, but I’ve watched enough championship games to tell you with certainty that the offense that marches down the field with two minutes left and a game changing goal at the end of the tunnel wins championships more regularly than either the rhetorical offense or defense. And I’m sure I’d want to be the coach that found a way to say to my painfully lopsided offensive team that, with three minutes and four points between us and glory, that it is on the offense to own the rest of that game. It’s all well and good to say ,“I TRUST my defense, no matter what.”, but, honestly, if that pass were Brees to Colston, you KNOW you’d be sitting at home, thinking yes, we got the lead, but crap, we left exactly enough rope to hang ourselves. And you, like all the Cardinal fans that night, would be RIGHT. Under those specific circumstances, you do NOT trust that your teammates will be able to do their jobs, instead, you just do your job, and finish it while you are in control. Warner knew that when he was throwing that post, Fitzgerald knew it when he was running to the endzone, and Wisenhunt knew it when he called that gorgeous and poorly timed play in. They all, in unison probably, thought, wow, great play, we just took the lead late in the 4th. Then they all looked at the clock, took a collective gulp, and thought, I trust my defense to keep the Steelers from making one last glorious comeback, and to do it without any penalties or questionable calls. And they all knew they were wrong.
Yeah. People try to pretend that’s the magic talisman or some baloney like that. “Just have a good defense and you’ll be fine.” Uh-huh. OK, how well did that work out for the Bengals last year? 12th overall in yards, dead last in offense, 4-11-1. Boy that good defense really worked miracles there didn’t it?
and without all the fumbles our boy lynell put out there, the turnover ration is even better.
How about the pass D still looking like crap? I really don’t think that is the case. I don’t think the D really loses any games for us this year. But I do think that an elite WR will work us though. But I like our 2’s vs. their #2 WR. Put it like this, I’m taking the Saints against whatever the spread is, but I’m starting Calvin Johnson in fantasy…and I’ll probably have a pretty good day.
#1s n #2s
The new system and players will truly be tested this year.
Here’s a list of opposing number one receivers: Calvin Johnson, Terell Owens, Roddy White (twice), Steve Smith (twice), Randy Moss/Wes Welker and Roy Williams (?).
If other teams’ number ones go off on us, they won’t have to worry about their twos.
by WhoDat_OH on Aug 26, 2009 7:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, I think the pass defense stat is skewed to the negative right now. Cincy is #4 in the league in completion % and Houston is #9. The Saints have played two pass offenses that are both probably gonna be top 10, maybe even top 5, when the regular season rolls around. And then there’s the matter of Jason David vs. Cincy, which is no longer an issue, but still affects the stats.
by Grandmaster Wang on Aug 26, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
PS at some point in time I’d like to hear a rant about J Shocks tweets, there’s plenty of room for a Finney style breakdown of the ridiculousness. I mean do you take request?
:)
Personally, I think it’s more fun to make up fake “TheRealJShock” tweets. I don’t actually read the real ones, unless somebody posts one elsewhere for some reason. The day I start actually following people on Twitter, please shoot me in the face and the groin.
by Grandmaster Wang on Aug 26, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm shameless. I enjoy following the big blond bonehead
JeremyShockey just got my 69 dodge charger R/T in new orleans… lets race!!!!!!! 6:05 PM Aug 23rd from web
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
Wow, that car looks like it was built specifically for JShock
I imagine an endless and painfully loud soundtrack of Nickelback and Jan Hammer TV themes(Miami Vice, Airwolf) pumping out of that thing at all times.
by FuSoYa on Aug 26, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC'D IT
Nickelback and Jan Hammer
Excellent LOL
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
could be worse
at least he didnt paint 01 on the side and a confederate flag on top.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 26, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Jan Hammer did the theme to Airwolf?
I had no idea. I can’t even remember how that theme song goes. I just remember the opening credits showing Stringfellow Hawke playing the cello out in front of his isolated mountain lake house/cabin. He’s such a sensitive action hero of many talents.
Can you believe that at one time, there were two shows about armored attack helicopters on TV?
Blue Thunder starring James Farentino and some other knuckleheads
Airwolf starring Jan Michael Vincent, Ernest Borgnine, and some other knuckleheads
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
by Hans Petersen on Aug 26, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, it goes
Duh, Duuhh, DA DA duh Daaahh, DA DA duh Daaah, Duuuh, DA Duuuhh, duuh, duh, da da da dahh.
YES!!! Thanks for that CP!
SWEEEEEEEEEET!!! And I forgot all about that dude with the eyepatch – he was their government liasion or boss or whatever you’d call him.
I can remember watching that show on Saturday nights as a young teenager when I was babysitting to earn money (that and cutting grass were my $$ tickets).
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
by Hans Petersen on Aug 27, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I was gonna say...
the only reason I know is because Stu is kind enough to suffer for the rest our entertainment. Just ask him for a couple dozen more winners, I’m sure it doesn’t take long for TheRealJShock to post hilarious self-incriminating tweets
i could imagine
a picture surfacing on twitter with some stripper snorting blow off g-shock’s… center console… while doing a buck thirty in his challenger.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 26, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
oh here's one
JeremyShockey ive lived in brownstones ive lived in gettos iv lived all over this town
Hmmm.
Wikipedia:
A 1999 graduate of Ada High School in Oklahoma…He also played basketball and was an honor roll student.Citation definitely needed on that last one.
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
Life During Wartime
A Talking Heads fan, but obviously only a casual one. The correct lyrics are, “Lived in a brownstone/lived in the ghetto/I’ve lived all over this town…”
"Man, these fans are off the charts." --Drew Brees
See...
the problem is you all thought Photo Op was a Running Back.
I mean.. he might well be able to run the ball but to me he will ALWAYS .. be Photo Op.
MT
just for the record
Photo Op = #30 Lynell Hamilton
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
C’mon guys, Lynell NEEDED that photo opportunity. He also needs a shot at redemption. Otherwise, he’s gonna end up a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard.
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
this was last year...
and my response was to the post he was mentioned but so many respnses it was kinda lost lol so thanks for explaining to the new folk
MT
Regarding the pass D
Don’t forget, we faced Carson Palmer and Matt Schaub in the first two games. No slouches, those. Both teams are primarily passing teams, and in both cases we shut down the run pretty well…leaving our opponents no choice but to do what they do best.
Plus…the Saints pass D is probably improved, no matter what the stats say…but it’s still not very good, either. I just can’t believe that it’s really the worst in the league.
"Man, these fans are off the charts." --Drew Brees
Check the scores...
the Bengals and Texans were playing from behind and pass happy. So those stats are skewed. I do have to agree that the only D stats I care about are points against and turnover ratio.
All that being said- I don’t put much credence on preseason stats. Unless they are absolutely dreadful.
by WhoDat_OH on Aug 26, 2009 8:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The only two remarkable differences
between preseason stats this year and overall performance last year are turnovers and point differential, which are both immensely important, and directly related. I hope the Saints can keep up the takeaways against first teams during the season, or that our coverage gets tighter. It doesn’t look like anybody has emerged as a reliable pass rusher, at least not against the starting units we’ve faced. It’s hard to tell if any of this stuff matters, though, when you look at past preseasons versus the years following.
to's
if a couple extra turnovers get us two or three games over last year, we are in the playoffs. but preseason is bullshit.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 26, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions
most of the bengals passes
were over the out stretched arms or back of jason david.
other than M jenkins doing a fine jason david impersonation on the TD, i thought the second game was better, mostly because the texans are a better offence.
they are passing teams but...
it doesn’t make me feel better. they were behind and having to pass more to catch up…that doesn’t make me feel better. this is the only bad stat on our resume. JD was in…doesn’t make me feel better. Last is last, no matter who was in there. We face quite a few teams that will be at least decent passing teams. We have Philly, Buffalo(TO+Evans is not a good matchup for any team), Atlanta, New England, Giants, Dallas, and i’ll even throw in the Panthers because it always seem like Smith is ruining our day when it looks like we have it in the bag. I’m not so worried about the Giants and Panthers. 6 games against teams with decent passing games starting out. Miami has Penningtong, another team that could be decent. Even Sanchez for the Jets hasn’t looked too bad so far. Then the Lions have Johnson, who could tear up any team. I don’t like being dead last in passing yards allowed. It’s very reminiscent of the past 2 years. There’s a number of reasons that we could be dead last but it doesn’t make a difference unless it’s part of the solution. People could say we’re not using all of our defensive schemes and formations, that we had JD, that Gay has played alot of time but looks like he could end up our #4 guy, or that we’re not giving up alot of points. I know that at the end of the day, points is all that matters but we could end up needing our D to win us a low scoring game or two and the thought that the team could pass it all day on us, as of right now, scares me. I am hoping and expecting GW to get the problem under control by the start of the season though. I haven’t been able to see much of the games but if the other team is behind most of the game and we know they’re going to be passing, we should do better since we know it’s coming. I also think that Gay is still the penciled starter at the CB spot opposite Porter. If we plan on starting Greer or Jenkins, shouldn’t they get to play with the 1st team more. Hoping that we fix this before the season starts or my complet optimism is going to fade to more of a caution now.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
PS:
the point on defense that I really did like, was the turnovers and interceptions.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 26, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Points given up by the defense are NOT all that matters. Yardage surrendered matters, as well. A “bend but never break” defensive unit can surrender enough yardage to allow their opponent FGs, which can ultimately lose a game. They can also be pinned back against their own goal line, resulting in horrendous field position for their offense on a change of possession. This, in turn, can lead to a safety that could also decide a game. The offense could also have turnovers returned for TDs, though that truly holds no bearing on the defense’s performance. The way I see it, no defense — no matter how good they are — is going to hold their opponents without a TD game in, game out. So, if you’re going to hopelessly shoot for the moon, why not go all out? Wish for a “never bend” defense.
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
Psst… just between you & me… field goals and safeties = points.
by Grandmaster Wang on Aug 26, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You’re about two fifths right on that.
Assuming defense plays zero role in the field position battle, that is.
by Grandmaster Wang on Aug 26, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose
technically FGs are points scored against the defense, as they’re a fourth down play. They’re not scored on what’s commonly considered to be the defensive unit, though. And that was the entire point of contention. That the only defensive stat that matters is points against. The safety scenario alone lays that to rest. I’ve never seen a QB take a snap from the 20 yd line and get sacked for a safety. I’ve seen a QB get sacked for a safety quite a number of times following a goal line stance. For the game winning points in fact, if you’re old enough to remember the 1982 game between the Saints and Cowboys. If the Saints defense doesn’t surrender that yardage, Stabler isn’t in the end zone at the time of the sack.
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
if you kept the other team from scoring
then it’s the offenses job to not get sacked in the end zone. that’s on the offense. FGs are part of the defense too. They give up the field position for the FG and most defensive players are still out there to try for the block.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 26, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
How many dominant defenses in the history of the NFL have mastered the art of blocking FGs? What you say is true, but doesn’t go very far in the “points given up by the defense is the ONLY defensive stat that matters” argument. Unless your special teams consists of Too Tall Jones, Ted Hendricks, Bob St. Clair, Harold Carmichael and Dikembe Mutumbo, odds are you’re going to have to curtail yardage gained in order to limit FGs. The yardage surrendered is the crux, not the “allowance of points” or whatever other virtually inapplicable way you want to categorize it. And you’re right, it is the offense’s “job” not to get sacked in the end zone. It’s also the defense’s “job” to keep opponent’s from entering their own red zone. And from gaining first downs. And from advancing the ball a single yard, when you get right down to it. So, if a QB happens to take a sack in that situation, who’s REALLY more to blame? The lineman for missing his block, or the eleven guys that just got ridden like a Chef Menteur geisha all the way down the field, only to find their vocational meddle during the drive’s last four plays?
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
what i'm trying to say is
that the 3 points that the D will give up, will count against the points given up by the defense. it might technically be special teams but the only thing that is special about the play is that someone is kicking the ball. They still give up the 3 points so it’s still, imo, should count against the defense especially since you don’t see offensive players really going out there to try to block the ball but all defensive players. I wasn’t trying to imply that there’s been anyone that has been blocking kicks alot. I’m saying that the 3 points being given up go against the defense. Thus, if you don’t give up the 3 points then there are no points against the defense and it doesn’t matter that they just gave up 60 yards because the other team didn’t get any points and if they give up the 60 yards and they make the points it goes against the defense. FGs are still points that go against the D. I understand that giving up 80 yards up instead of 50 will make the FG less likely but if they miss they miss and if they make it, they make it. all the D’s fault, even if the offense turns the ball over on our own 10, it’s their job to stop the other team from scoring any points. That leads me to my next point. Its the offenses job to drive the ball down the field, use up some clock time, score points and not turn the ball over. Its the D’s job to stop the other team from driving and scoring points and to force turnovers. If the offense turns the ball over at our 10, do the points that are scored thereafter count against the offense? no, they don’t because it’s the D’s job to stop the other team from getting points. same thing with the safety. it’s the O’s job not to get sacked in the endzone if the D gives up 90 yards(the basic equivalent of turning the ball over at the 10). When it comes down to it, it comes down to how many points are on the board at the end of the game, meaning those are the only stats that matter. I don’t care that Drew Brees threw for 400 yards and a TD as long as the points for us are more than the points against us.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 27, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
???
so the offense is on the field during the other teams FGs?
I will have to look harder I could have swore I saw Brees on the bench the last time someone kicked a FG on us.
MT
What part of
“yardage surrendered factors into FG success” do you not understand? Please list the many great defenses through history that mastered the art of blocking a FG and I’ll completely agree with you that yardage surrendered is an irrelevant defensive statistic, provided the defense in question is one of them.
“But the ONLY defensive statistic that matters is points scored against!!!!!” Bingeaux. And the ONLY thing that prevents at-fault automobile accidents is not crashing into sh*t. So, feel free to consume alcohol, not wear a seat belt and drive as fast as your heart desires. Just remember not to crash and there’s no way you can POSSIBLY cause yourself harm.
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
cmon man, he deserves 3/5....
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I agree with the never bend defense. Here’s why. Even if the defense turns out not to be AS improved as we all hope for, I think we still get serious improvement in terms of wins and loses.
Turnovers, by flying around it helps create turnovers. From my limited experience(HS) at corner, I do know that most turnovers are created with a full head of steam. It’s really hard to sit back in a zone and get at the ball, you are so preoccupied with stopping the guy coming at you full speed. Its really hard to tackle someone when he gets to run 5+ steps fast and you only get 2. Well, at least is was for me. It’s SO much more fun to play when you’re blitzing and attacking. I have a lot of faith that this D will be much improved because of it.
And even if the D is still porous and gives up big pass plays. With an attacking style defense, you are much more likely to create turnovers, we’ve already started to see that. Not only does that put the #1 offense back on the field, but it also gets the defense off the field for the rest they are lacking because our pass-happy offense.
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Every Once and While the Board Reaches
to cover its boredom and/or anticipation. Today we are guilty of mindless, useless analysis on this post.
IT IS PRESEASON. The only thing that is real from the preseason is injuries — everything else means nothing and is a reflection of nothing.
Patience people — we will have legitimate and truly measurable results and stats commencing in 18 days that will cover alll our Saints needs until this same time (3rd week of PreSeason in 2010) next year.
Of course, this post did lead to the Shockey moment with his precious so not all is amiss on CSC!!!
preseason does count
people win and lose their jobs playing in the preseason. ask Jason David.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
excellent reference
I still can’t get over that one. PT beats out AP. Poor planning, PayLoo.
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
On Antonio Pittman -- you Can't lose Something
You NEVER had!!
On Jason David
he lost his job 2 years ago when Peyton Manning relegated JD to “Airwolf” level of quality!! PRESEASON had nothing to do with it
ok
ask whoever gets cut between our RBs like Hill and Donaldson. ask them if it counts when one of them get cut.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 27, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Dempsey, don't leave out the sweet Airwolf thread that I just tried to rev up from FuSoYa's comment
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
by Hans Petersen on Aug 26, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
HansDat -- My Bad!!
Airwolf should only be analyzed during PRESEASON while in the Dentist chair preceeded by JShock standing tall at Hard Rock “Rehab”…… Your timing and placement work!!!
preseason may mean nothing
to the #1s, but it is a true test to the depth of your football team. the starters may not go 100% (infact they might with a new system and a new DC who owes them nothing), but the 2s and 3s are fighting for roster spots. i find it hard to believe the 3rd and 4th quarter mean nothing when these guys, at some point or another, will get playing time in meaningful games. pay close attention, we all remember the injury bug can hit any time and is devistating to a football team.
do love the stats though. pass d will come around when we release the real blitz packages.
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