Win it for Drew
by MtnExile on Aug 30, 2009 5:14 PM CDT
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PrintOkay, I'm officially pissed.
I'm reading Matthew J. Darnell's "Shutdown Corner" on Yahoo, about poor Donovan McNabb and how the fans in Philadelphia have never appreciated him. Despite having one of the best TD-to-interception ratios in the NFL, despite being the Eagles' all-time leader in most stats, despite blowing every opportunity in an important game...well, Darnell didn't include that one, but it's probably why the people in Philly--who pay closer attention--have never really bought tickets for the McNabb bandwagon.
But I don't care about McNabb, either. What I care about is the throwaway comment in the next-to-last paragraph:
Even second-tier guys like Kurt Warner, Drew Brees and Eli Manning seem to have more support in their cities.
Second tier? Kurt Warner and Eli Manning have, unlike McNabb, won Super Bowls. But winning a Super Bowl isn't the only dividing line between the great and not-great. Dan Marino, for instance, never won a Super Bowl. Yeah, but as a Dolphins fan at the time, I remember very closely watching Dan Marino's career. Dan Marino is a friend of mine. Donovan McNabb, you're no Dan Marino.
Which brings us to Drew Brees. I can think of very few quarterbacks who remind me as much of Marino as the man who nearly broke his record last year. "Second tier"? Is this how people still look at Brees? "He's good, but he's no Donovan McNabb." Really?
There's only one way to end this: the Saints have got to get Drew to the podium in Miami. Drew hasn't had nearly the chances that McNabb has had over the years; but then again he hasn't blown nearly as many either (three NFC championship games, one Super Bowl, one career as a commercial pitchman for a product that doesn't need a spokesman known for vomiting). We need to give him those chances. With a ring on his finger, people like Darnell will finally stop thinking of him as being a "second-tier" guy, behind Brady and Peyton and [choke]McNabb[/choke].
This is not some phony, cobbled-together "crisis"...the future of NFL blogging is at stake. So, Saints players and coaches: get Brees to Miami. Put an end to the lunacy, I implore you.
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Make some room on that bandwagon for me
I’m in for the long haul…
Let’s haul some a** to the Super Bowl. I can think of no greater cause than for Drew (well, other than to do it for me and my own personal gratification).
"I like our back end." -- Mickey Loomis, to Solomon Wilcots and Tim Brando during a press box interview in the 4th Quarter of the Saints-Bengals preseason game.
Let's do it for...
the city and fans! How long have they suffered with our team, the heartbreaking agony of getting stomped on by the Bears in the NFC championship game. Brees is just another reason for us to do it now. The guy obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about seeing that Brees is at worst, the 3rd best QB and that’s at worst. Brees is #1 in my mind and the only one vying(sp?) for his spot is Brady who has receivers like Moss and Welker. Manning is a HOF player for sure but he only has the 1 SB ring compared to Brady’s 3(i think). Then there is Brees who is probably the best passer of them all. I’ve always though of McNabb as a good QB but saying that Brees is a 2nd-tier guy and throwing McNabb in the top tier is ridiculous.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
PS:
don’t forget that Rothelisberger is a 1st-tier guy too. Cmon now, let’s be serious. Sure, 2 SB rings isn’t a fluke but you have to remember that you’re run game and D got you there really.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 30, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m glad at least some people haven’t been blinded by the bling on Benny’s fingers.
Ben’s not bad. I wish he was, actually, as I detest the Steelers. But he’s not. But he’s also not anywhere near as good as his worshipers think he is.
Ben should kiss
every Saintt-sacred medals he carries inside his pads every game day. Big blue collar guy in a big grey town? How’s that for a perfect match….
Hate? Gladly, you don’t know real hate. Did you say Pats? I’d gladly call Brady a fag but I’d be insulting some of my gay friends….
Come on Drew, give me redemption.
Just get the D going!
Brees should be a Hall of Famer
It kind of annoys me how so many people equate Super Bowl wins with quarterback greatness. Even now people are debating Steve McNair as a Hall of Fame quarterback. To me there is no question. Take away the Super Bowls, and Troy Aikman is worse than Steve McNair in virtually every statistical category, and if I’m not mistaken, Aikman was a first ballot HOFer. I only bring this up because I see the same thing being set up for when Brees retires if he doesn’t win the big one. I think the standard for a non-SB-winning QB to get in the HOF is Jim Kelly, and Brees definitely has a chance to put up Jim Kelly-type stats, but a SB win would take all doubt out of the equation.
M_E consider the source.
MJD has been and will continue to be an idiot. With that kind of thinking Dan Marino/Jim Kelly were second tier QBs as well guess we should recall their busts from Canton . His thinking defies logic McNabb has how many rings? Oh wait rings don’t mean anything in Donovan’s case. Donovan passed for over 5,000 yards in a single season how many times? Oh wait that doesn’t mean anything either in Donovan’s case. Don’t get me wrong McNabb is a solid quarterback. Is he the leader on the field that Marino/ Kelly/Montana/Elway or any of the other truly great ones were is arguementative at best. I agree Brees is definitely a top tier QB. You see it in his play. You can’t argue the 5,000 yard season came with not one player having a 1,000 yards in receiving. His #1 receiver missing 5 games with an injury and not 100% even when he came back. To be able to put his players in positions to make plays like he does is what tells us how good Brees truly is.
This is not some phony, cobbled-together “crisis” like health care reform or global warming
That needs to be edited out of your little post. If you get away with putting this propaganda bullshit in your fanpost, then I’m unleashing the hounds.
If it’s meant in jest, it’s not funny.
What happened to the “no politics” policy? Or does that mean “No liberal politics”?
Totally serious.
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
Just wow
Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give me your phone or email and we’ll take this private.
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
I never liked him, especially after he shaved his head, so I’ll take that as an insult. If you want to get in line, it starts behind the other guy.
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
I assumed he went through life that way, like Lex Luthor
I’m on your side homie(I think). Just got very tough very quickly. But yeah, I’ll be at the Tiger Market on I-10 east of Lafayette on Wednesday if you want to talk more about it. I’ll be next to the stuffed white tiger. Look for a chartreuse bonnet
"Very tough too quickly"
Guess CP is bringing out the best in us…..
Just get the D going!
by FrenchFreak on Aug 31, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Politics out?
I could go for days about what’s wrong with Canada, US, Afghanistan, Soudan, South America, North Korea and all that jazz.
Do we really want to get there?
Just get the D going!
Tabarnak de computer de shit!
My comments just didn’t end up where they shoild have been….
Except for “very tough” and “Rec myself”
Just get the D going!
Mmm @ taking it private. Should I use my Demi Moore voice?
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
Why don’t you be a real woman and put your email on your profile?
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
Stu I think you may be taking this just a little too personally here. It was intended as a joke. Whether his opinions on the matter are right or yours are, you don’t have to start throwing insults just because he made a joke about your political hobby horse.
STU never threw an insult
but he did lay down the law!!!!
I AM THE LAW GIVER!!!
Besmirching the reverence of the sport of customer service since Aug 26, 2009
Nobody asked you FB. As for insults, I’m showing remarkable restraint.
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
If you’re showing “remarkable” restraint then you have definitely let your emotions run off the deep end.
Dude it was a joke. It was a bad one to make, obviously. But its not worth the production you’re making of it.
Again...
that comment was misplaced.
Should have been a response for “sugarlips”
Just get the D going!
Calling something someone said “propaganda bullsh*t” (and not censoring the vulgarity) is your idea of remarkable restraint? Thanks for taking the time to put the “bunched panty” comments from your welcome back thread into better context. If the drama queen had a maiden name, I now have a pretty good idea what it would be.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
OK, mediator time..
Political statements made on the website = Inappropriate
Calling someone out for those statements = appropriate
Instigative replies (including my own) = inappropriate
continuing this (although slilghtly amusing) = inappropriate
Can we all be done? no replies means truce to me….
Besmirching the reverence of the sport of customer service since Aug 26, 2009
by asaint on Aug 31, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Boom!!
You ought to be nominated for a peace prize.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 31, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Calling somebody out for those statements without insulting them, yelling, screaming, banging your sippy cup or otherwise acting like a two year old twerp… appropriate
You forgot a few key words…
When you start to make contributing comments without mentioning sippy cups, and actually insulting people that’ll be a start towards you not acting like a two year old twerp.
He didn’t insult anyone, yell, or scream. You can’t yell or scream, there is no audio. (and he didn’t even use all caps)
He called the topic itself propaganda. That’s his opinion, not an insult. His opinion maybe be out out place because it’s political, but that’s why politics shouldn’t be mentioned in the first place.
Now, let’s all be grown-ups…
Besmirching the reverence of the sport of customer service since Aug 26, 2009
Are you implying that only real women include their email addresses on their profiles? If so, I’d rather remain male, if you don’t mind. Privacy before pleasure, sugarlips.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
You know, throwing gasoline on a fire usually isn’t the best way to end an argument.
by FriarBob on Aug 31, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I hate to quote Rodney King here, but can’t we all just get along? Stu’s right though about keeping the politics out. It only seems to generate confrontation and bad feelings. This is especially true these days regarding anything to do with healthcare reform.
"He has got a good ol' boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol' boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,"--Gregg Williams describing Bill Johnson. The D WILL ROCK THIS YEAR!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 31, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't serious
I thought it was obviously a jest, but obviously I was wrong. My apologies.
"Tell all the killjoys to pound sand." -- Ralph Malbrough
fruitless political quibblings aside
I do find it interesting that [choke]McNabb[/choke] is, for whatever reason, seen in a different light that [non-choke?]Marino[non-choke?]. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that Marino was the better QB … but my reasoning has little to do with his championship game(s) performance. If that’s the crux in your argument — at least, enough to disparage McNabb because of it — why on earth would you support Marino and/or Brees?
I be grindin' while u besmirchin'.
Memory
I remember Marino playing. I don’t remember Marino being the reason Miami always failed to get over the final hurdle and win a championship. In big games, McNabb always seems to come out flat and play ineffectively—if not for the entire game, then at least for critically large periods of it. In that, he’s like Brett Favre—who, let’s be honest, is a bit of a choke artist, and ought to write Desmond Howard into his will for giving him a ring.
But further…I must really be out of shape. First I piss off Stu, then I use a word—choke—that I should have realized has only one meaning on a sports blog. That choke was meant to be mine, caused by an inability to speak McNabb’s name in the same sentence with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. I gotta quit trying to do comedy.
"Tell all the killjoys to pound sand." -- Ralph Malbrough
Don't quit comedy
I “got” both and actually laughed!
As for Drew, he’s a top-tier quarterback in every way, shape and form. You just have to watch him in a game to see that.
by SaintsFan-KS on Aug 31, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I would venture to guess that NONE of those teams even MAKE it to the Super Bowl those particular years without those QBs under center. If you’re only going to take season-ending games into account, Peyton Manning is arguably the biggest choke artist in NFL history. He should write Kelvin Hayden into his will for giving him a ring.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
Naw, it should be Grossman, who was probably the only bigger choke artist around.
Actually I don’t really blame Peyton for all his “chokes”. I think he was in the same shoes Drew was stuck in last year, great offense and no defense. The year they finally managed to put a bit of both together they won it all.
You may be right
He didn’t play all that great the postseason they won it all (3 TDs, 7 Int’s, passer rating of 70.5 over the course of four victories). He should really offer to have Bob Sanders’ baby…as should the entire team. I still say Peyton won MVP only because he provided such a stark contrast with Rex Grossman—and because his name ends in “Manning”—and not because he was in any way the one, indispensable component of the Colts that night.
"Tell all the killjoys to pound sand." -- Ralph Malbrough
Yeah the MVP vote was a sad joke. I don’t know how that was possible. Anybody who couldn’t see that Sanders was the MVP was at least one of if not all three of the following: drunk on SB-winner euphoria, dumb as a slug, and/or blind as a bat.
But I still don’t blame him for his “chokes”. He didn’t choke at all the vast majority of those times, he simply couldn’t do enough to make up for a crappy defense. Granted I also say that about Drew as well, so maybe its a case of my just being consistent and he really did choke, but I refuse to believe it any more than I blame Drew for the fact that we’ve only won something like one game in the entire Sean Payton era when we were behind at the start of the fourth quarter. I think that stat is because we had no defense (or very little of one at any rate) and Drew did all he could do to save us from ourselves but even though he is very VERY good, he isn’t superman.
As for SuperMcFly McNabb, I just don’t know what to think. I really think that MJD’s opinion on most things is pure idiocy and so I don’t really worry about his opinion too much. When he rated Drew the way he did I just went “consider the source” and blew it off as coming from an idiot who mostly is only worth laughing at despite the fact that every now and then he manages to get one right. I read him anyway because I enjoy the entertainment value of his idiocy. But his opinion on McNabb seems to be that he can do no wrong. That’s pretty obviously bunk. McNabb has enjoyed one of the better defenses of the decade for more-or-less his entire tenure, and he hasn’t done much with it. At the same time he’s had some really great moments, but they’re just that, moments. Flashes of brilliance buried in a swamp of mediocrity. Well that’s probably slightly too harsh, maybe just a sea of decency. I do think the Philly fans are a bit too fickle but maybe they just love their team and can’t stand to see a great defense wasted by inept QB play. And if so they may have a point, as we have at time felt the same way about the dome patrol and/or felt the same in reverse because we hated to see Drew’s awesome QB play wasted by an inept defense. I do think the racism argument is pure garbage. There are racist bastards out there (unfortunately) but I have a really hard time believing they are the cause for McNabb’s fickle support in Philly. There are just too many other black men on that team who are supported and liked for me to buy that. Which leaves me with the only other option, he’s really not as good as his supporters want to believe he is (or at least not consistently as good) and they can’t bear to admit it so they play the race card to obfuscate things and try to drown out legitimate criticism of his play under their shouting. Which frankly is very sad. Nobody can get better if they can’t take legitimate criticism and attacking the messenger can only accomplish political power, not actually make a QB a better player.
Well enough on all this mess. Drew is better than most people want to admit right now. Hopefully we’ll finally have a good defense and be able to shut them up. Most people stopped harping on the failures of the Manning brothers after they won their rings. And in Eli’s case the harping beforehand was deserved as he had some putrid games, and he really did improve for that 2007 end-of-year run and so the lack of it afterward was deserved as well. Peyton I don’t think it was deserved beforehand and I’m glad they finally shut up (mostly). Hopefully the same will come for Drew after this year.
I agree
I think WHEN Drew gets his ring, He will go down as an all-time great. I can not shake the experiment when Drew rained bullseyes down like he was a robot out of my head. I really have a hard time believing most QBs, if any can do that.
As a quarterback, he EMBODIES what that position is. Leader, Manager, and Executioner.
Besmirching the reverence of the sport of customer service since Aug 26, 2009
This writer is an idiot
I think he’s just another lazy sports media guy who just keeps regurgitating the same old story lines each season. Remember though, we want the MS to keep ignoring the Saints and Brees to give the team that extra little boost to play at a supremely high level and dominate the rest of the league. Nevertheless, I’m totally on board with your campaign to get Brees and the rest of the team a ring.
Speaking of laziness, this reminds me of last week when I was watching Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN2. Mike Golic is an idiot. They did a rundown of the Saints, asked five mostly irrelevant questions about them, and predicted they’d go 8-8 again. They of course spent most of the segment talking about the offense and never once mentioned Gregg Williams. I could tell by the way they briefly discussed the D and predicted more mediocrity there that they had not investigated the 2009 Saints at all. That’s absolute laziness. Gregg Williams is no savior, but he will be the difference maker this year.
"He has got a good ol' boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol' boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,"--Gregg Williams describing Bill Johnson. The D WILL ROCK THIS YEAR!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 31, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions
Screw the team, get ME a SB appearance
I think the sports media just got caught “drinking the kool-aid” with New Orleans the past two years, and have no choice but to return to the standard Saints prediction…which history completely validates. It’s up to the team to play past their mediocre expectations. Of course, I and everyone else here thinks it’s clear that they are primed to do so, but these guys get paid for their stupid predictions. How many of them do you think picked Arizona last year? Even in December? Or January? Now, they all have to spend time considering whether the Cards can return to the postseason. It’s just easier for them to go with the default “NFC East winner vs Colts/Steelers/Pats” argument.
I got busy last night
and forgot about the damn Fleaflicker draft until the 13th round. As a result, my starting QB is McNabb. I’ve pretty much given up on that team already.
Because your starting QB is McNabb??! I intentionally drafted McNabb in a couple of my leagues. I have no problem with him as a FF player whatsoever.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
Yeah, not bad really
His fantasy stats are consistently good. But a) I don’t really like him, which of course doesn’t matter, and b) being overdramatic about McNabb fit the theme of the thread.
On a more seriously bad note, I got Matt Forte as my 1st round pick. Brandon Jacobs is my next RB. I’m really not satisfied with that tandem. I would have picked about thirty guys before Forte as a 1st rounder. Could be wrong, never know, but it overall looks like a bad team.
Forte
is a consensus top 4 pick in most leagues. I passed over him yesterday at 5, but he went immediately thereafter. Jacobs? Meh. I’d be ok with that tandem, but I’d much prefer what I wound up with (D. Williams/Westbrook).
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
That is why I ended up with him
I just don’t agree with that assessment. Chicago is pretty much a one back offense, so maybe I’ll get my yards out of him, but I would have felt better about at least half a dozen RB’s(your tandem sounds about ideal), and probably as many receivers for their scoring potential as opposed to Forte’s. Cutler will probably take some pressure off Chicago’s run game anyway. I took their TE Clark later, and I feel like that pick will have better value overall.
Ditto on Jacobs.
I also have D. Williams in a 10 team league (5th overall) and wound up with C. Johnson as my RB2. I wound up taking A. Rodgers in the 4th round of that league, so I wound up with pretty run-of-the-mill WRs aside from M. Colston. In the one with Westbrook (a 12 team league), I think I faired a little better overall by waiting on a QB (McNabb). In both cases, I intended to start off RB-WR, but the tandems that fell to me were just too formidable to pass up. Forte’s a yardage machine. The only real concern I have there is Cutler’s tendency to push the ball downfield, rather than check off. That’s more often than not based on spontaneous reads, rather than designed play calling. And even if it was exactly the way it’s drawn up, how often is he going to audible out of it? Kind of tough to base anything on last year’s Bears offense, with such a key personnel change looming like that.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
Moops
fear not,FuSoYa,one of my Bro-in-Laws, was on the road (running from Gustav) last yr., the computer picked for him (all positions) and won it all !!!
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.
Ah yes, the long-awaited stujo4/coldpizza pissing contest over pretty much nothing
Never woulda seen that coming.
by Grandmaster Wang on Sep 1, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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