Consider that Mr. Benson is selling his 20 million dollar airplane and buying a new 40 million dollar plane. He also is moving up in the yachting world. A new 148 foot boat is being built for Mr Benson right now to the tune of about 50 million. The 122 footer just won't do anymore.
Now this is not to say that Mr Benson shouldn't enjoy his money and I think he outta buy anything he wants. But the GM can't moan about the economy and hard headed agents when the boss is spending like it's free. Just more to consider.
Kenny Wilkerson
New Orleans Pro Football
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boom rec'd it!
Not even Angela Hill believed this one but Payton stuck to his story. Ok no problem with sticking to your guns but to insult the intelligence of people is another thing.
LOVE the Wilk!
I said "Who put all those things in your head?"
Things that make me feel that I'm mad.
by stujo4 on Aug 5, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
double boom! rec'd it!
Bravo Kenny! He convinced me. I was blaming Jenkin’s holdout entirely on his agents, but now I see Loomis isn’t totally without fault here. He needs to get Jenkins into camp pronto. If Benson can afford all those high dollar luxuries, they can ante up a little bit more at least.
Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.
by satchmo26 on Aug 5, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Kenny Wilkerson understand how Mr. Benson got that money?
The reason he can buy fast planes and big boats is because he has figured out the one key to making money in business, buy low and sell high. He doesn’t own the Saints because he wants to entertain his friends or because he needs a reason to buy fluer de lis ties. Does Kenny talk on the radio for free? Would he go to work everyday for free? Would he go to work everyday for less money? I don’t think so.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 5, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right!
I say, let’s waive Jenkins for the season over half a mil, and, for God’s sake, let Benson have a respectable jet plane!
by FuSoYa on Aug 5, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the way it works
Jenkins will play and he will get paid a fair salary. Don’t feel sorry for Jenkins, he’ll have money rolling out his $%#. And when it’s time to pick up that free agent that we need because someone gets hurt in a preseason game, we will have cap room. It’s a business. Do you want a free wheeler like they have in Washington (Redskins, not the White House). Paying one man too much is just bad business.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 5, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
boom rec'd it!
Benson isn’t spending the Saints’ money…he’s spending his money. The money the Saints spend is limited by this thing called the cap, and we’re pretty close to it at the moment. Loomis apparently wants to sign Jenkins and have some breathing room as well; Jenkins’ agent just wants as much money for his client as possible, the Saints’ future be damned.
I side with Loomis.
"Man, these fans are off the charts."
--Drew Brees
by MtnExile on Aug 5, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please school me
I was under the impression that the salary cap hit was different for rookie players. It was applied differently or rookies had there own salary cap or something. Guess I’ll need to look it up in the morning. For some reason, I didn’t think Jenkins contract money was the same as the salary cap hit of non-rookies.
Go Saints!!!! Deuce may be gone, but he will never be forgotten.
by satchmo26 on Aug 6, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a professor
I understand the salary cap about as much as I understand quantum physics…I know it’s there, and it affects reality. That’s about it.
My point is simply that teams are limited in the amount of money they’re able to spend. If Benson foregoes his new boat, he can’t come to Loomis and say, “Hey Mickey! Here’s another fifty mil I won’t be using…go sign that cornerback or whatever he is.” Loomis has to strategerize in the absence of a practically unlimited wallet. Just what that strategerizing may be, we don’t know (see my guess below), but when it’s done I hope he doesn’t call a press conference and say “Mission accomplished!” That would be bad.
"Man, these fans are off the charts."
--Drew Brees
by MtnExile on Aug 6, 2009 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand slightly more about it than you apparently, but not much… but I do know that the rookie pool is a “sub-cap” on the rookie salaries. This is a major part of the reason why first rounders take forever and the late rounders all get league minimum with minor increases in signing bonuses as you go up in round… and why it isn’t until you get to be a 2nd rounder that you get more than a pat on the back and a ‘welcome to the team at minimum wage’ contract. That being because the entire draft class is limited and the first rounder takes 80+% of that pool.
Kenny is an idiot (but then we knew that already) and a typical mediot going for a big splash “money quote” without bothering to think for more than half a second if what he says bears any relationship to reality. Even IF the saints are a sole proprietorship (which I highly doubt, its almost certainly a corporation or at least an LLC) its still Benson’s money to spend how he wishes. If he’s squandering it foolishly that is his mistake but has zero bearing on Saints contracts. His money is separate from the team’s money (and his money doesn’t come solely from the team either, remember this guy actually has some other business interests too).
What matters to Loomis is two things. One is the salary cap and trying to avoid a contract that would force them to renegotiate or cut half the team next year. Second issue, yes kenny-child, it IS the economy. If the salary cap expires next year then Loomis will have an outright nightmare on his hand trying to continue to compete with large-market teams that can shaft their fans for $90 cheese pizzas and sell club seats at $300K a year or other ridiculous amounts. If you’d bothered to engage your two brain cells for a few minutes even you could have figured that out if you hadn’t been so hell-bent on trying to embarass your personal enemy Sean Payton.
Gah I’m sick of that moron.
by FriarBob on Aug 6, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr Benson
be outta his mine when he oughta be outta his jet. Hallemalooya!
by coldpizza on Aug 5, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
and if we were in dire straits with CBs, then Jenkins holding out would be a major hardship, but instead it really is only a small to medium hardship. Right now we are fine with Greer, Porter, Gay, David, Torrence, and maybe even Glenn, Young also. Jenkins has a lot of learning to do and even if he were to have a great pre-season, one could easily and prudently argue not to start him, just to work him in gradually because he still has a game-day learning curve to get past. And you can’t overcome that with drills and pre-season work (well, maybe a little, but not very much) So, have that extra emergency cap room is a priority more than throwing it at Jenkins indescriminately.
by Philinwood on Aug 5, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Then shouldn't the Saints
have spent their first round pick on something they would value at the market price of a 14th overall pick as determined by the signings of the picks before and after? A linebacker, maybe? I hear there were a few available. I don’t feel sorry for Jenkins, but I don’t feel sorry for Benson or Loomis either, and as a fan, I’d really like the Saints to get something out of what was left of their draft.
by FuSoYa on Aug 5, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or, if they’re that tight up against the cap, and planned on solving their DB issues in free agency, then maybe they could have traded away their first round and saved up for a year when they can afford new talent.
by FuSoYa on Aug 5, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So said a lot of people
me included. But it takes two to make a trade…maybe there were no takers at a price the Saints thought fair.
I don’t know what’s going on; but my uninformed guess is that it has something to do with the structure of the contract, not the money. Condon’s outfit also represented Orakpo and Cushing, so you’d think the salary offer should be right in between the two. How that salary is structured, though, can be a sticking point; especially if the Saints are using esoteric contract devices like completion bonuses, which they’ve been doing.
Plus: don’t forget Danny Gorrer. I read somewhere he’s been playing well.
"Man, these fans are off the charts."
--Drew Brees
by MtnExile on Aug 5, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I fully agree, they SHOULD have tried (harder?) to trade it. But I’ll bet you’re right that nobody was willing to offer them what they wanted.
by FriarBob on Aug 6, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is
There is no hurry. Jenkins will not make a difference in the first half of this season, if this season at all. He has a playbook and has instruction on workouts. Whether he is signed now or three weeks from now will not make a bit of difference, so chill. Take a look at the big picture. It takes 53 men, not one or two. Look at first rounds picks from any teams history. A very small percentage of them make a difference the first year, if ever. I personally think the NFL needs a rookie salary cap so teams can afford to pay the players that do pan out. But that is an arguement for another day. Players like Ricky Williams set a team back years and years. Although he had a stupid agent that brokered a deal that was laddened with insintives, the Saints were so hell bent on having him that they gave away their future to draft him.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 5, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
with the NBA rookie pay scale for the NFL, and I’m also not worried about our depth at corner. I’m more concerned with why Loomis can’t handle a draft with any competence at all. Just bitching, I guess.
by FuSoYa on Aug 5, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benson's money
Kenny needs to get the chip off his shoulder. he has no one to blame from leaving WWL but himself.
Benson made his money the old fashioned way. he earned it and can do what ever he wants… Get over it Kenny and talk football.
Gene Fields
by Six Saint on Aug 5, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Boom!!!
Thanks Six, I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 5, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, as well
Last time I checked, Benson’s personal expenses aren’t dictated by a salary cap. If he wants to walk around training camp on gold-plated stilts, more power to the silly old bastard.
by coldpizza on Aug 5, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’d sure look like an idiot, but if that’s what he wants to waste his personal money on then more power to him.
by FriarBob on Aug 6, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benson
is obviously a very very rich man, but people tend to forget that when rich people spend money on luxury items, there are other people involved. More than likely, Benson will have to hire people to maintain that boat, since he’s not a mechanic. He’ll have to hire people to clean it. He’ll have to pay a marina to store it. He will probably have to pay someone just to drive the damn thing. Not to mention the people who work at a manufacturing facility to actually build it, and the engineers who designed it. Its easy to hate on a guy who has money like Benson does, because there is no way any of us can relate. But whenever rich guys go a spendin’ lets not forget there are others who benefit, many who are a lot closer to our level than his.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Aug 6, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think
most people tend to forget the overall ineffectiveness and brazen short-sightedness of the trickle-down economic argument, but apparently I’m wrong, as the bulk of the gang sides with the billionaire.
by FuSoYa on Aug 6, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Untie was obviously a typo but it makes more sense than your communist folderol…
by FriarBob on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was kind of a purposeful typo to take the edge off making a political point of sorts on this forum.
by FuSoYa on Aug 6, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think most people tend to forget the overall ineffectiveness and brazen short-sightedness of the trickle-down economic argument, but apparently I’m wrong, as the bulk of the gang sides with the billionaire.
I always find it funny how intellectualoids tend to purposely forget the highly effective and beautiful simplicity of the trickle-down economic argument, but apparently they prefer to fall victim to Occam’s Razor, totally ignoring the obvious benefits of such phenomena, and siding with a universally discredited, self-invented moralistic mythology based solely on self-satisfaction.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Aug 6, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boom!!!
Well done.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 6, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three things here:
1: Who says I’m an intellectual? Or and intellecualoid?
2: It’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that trickle down economics is universally accepted, or that New Deal economic policy(which I’ll assume is the “moralistic mythology” of mine you’re referring to) is universally discredited. In fact I would posit that the obvious benefits are the only benefits of your preferred system at all. Recent history illustrates that the benefits don’t trickle down as quickly as cost of living inflates, even in a free market.
3: I said at the end of the sentence I was wrong. What more do you want?
by FuSoYa on Aug 6, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that trickle down economics is universally accepted,
I never said that it was.
or that New Deal economic policy(which I’ll assume is the "moralistic mythology" of mine you’re referring to) is universally discredited.
The only thing Keynesian policies have accomplished is further centralizing governemnt and growing deficits.
In fact I would posit that the obvious benefits are the only benefits of your preferred system at all. Recent history illustrates that the benefits don’t trickle down as quickly as cost of living inflates, even in a free market.
I guess it depends on what you define as “recent” history and what “benefits” you say don’t trickle down quickly enough. Trickle down benefits don’t necessarily have to be in the form of rising personal incomes.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Aug 6, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the context of the statement, I define “recent” as FY 2008(although “human” would be an acceptable synonym), and “benefits” as money. Friedman’s Chicago School economic philosophies have done nothing to slow the swelling of the deficit(though I’ll concede that could be because no president has been crazy enough to follow through with them 100%), and Keynsian policies, while no more perfect than Friedman’s, have produced Social Security and Medicaid, amongst other things which amount to more than nothing. This has been a fun argument, but I’m gonna stop after this, as this is hardly the place. I get the impression I’m not making friends, anyway.
by FuSoYa on Aug 6, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
take it you’re a Noam Chomsky fan?
In the context of the statement, I define "recent" as FY 2008(although "human" would be an acceptable synonym), and "benefits" as money.
So you’re saying capitalism hasn’t produced money for anyone but the ones who own/control production? Please tell me that’s not what you’re saying…
Friedman’s Chicago School economic philosophies have done nothing to slow the swelling of the deficit(though I’ll concede that could be because no president has been crazy enough to follow through with them 100%),
I didn’t know that the purpose of free market economics were to slow the swelling of the deficit. All the government has to do to accomplish that, is stop spending more than you take in via tax revs. Brilliant.
and Keynsian policies, while no more perfect than Friedman’s, have produced Social Security and Medicaid, amongst other things which amount to more than nothing.
Agree. Social programs are nothing more than government-backed Ponzi schemes. Everything is hunky dory until the demographics change, which they won’t, right? Oh..wait… oops…
This has been a fun argument, but I’m gonna stop after this, as this is hardly the place. I get the impression I’m not making friends, anyway.
I’m sure I’d like you a lot in real life. Go Saints.
"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken
by Bens4vcobra on Aug 7, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grr...I said no more, but
we’re off the main page, and you’re selective logic begs rebuttal.
I take it you’re a Buckley Jr. fan? Takes all kinds…
So you’re saying capitalism hasn’t produced money for anyone but the ones who own/control production? Please tell me that’s not what you’re saying…
No, I’m saying that “trickle down” theory hasn’t produced enough money for the middle class to thrive in the society it produces, as illustrated by the current structure of American society. I’m not an opponent of capitalism, but unfettered capitalism naturally tends toward centralization of resources at the top of the fiscal echelons of society, at the expense of the entire rest of society’s stability( a monarchy, or dictatorship of sorts). It didn’t work for serfs and peasnts pre-Magna Carta, and it doesn’t seem to be working for busboys and sales associates now. For example, service industry jobs now represent 80% of the U.S. economy, and even that segment is unprotected from the shrinking job market. I simply believe that, if the free market is left to it’s natural tendencies toward increased profit, then some entity has to exist to make sure the 80% of people not in a position to reap capitalism’s wealth must still be given the opportunity to exist, and perhaps even thrive. The government’s position of treating big business entities preferentially with the assumption that independent enterprise will bring abundant reliable jobs to a society has not produced positive results for most Americans.
I didn’t know that the purpose of free market economics were to slow the swelling of the deficit. All the government has to do to accomplish that, is stop spending more than you take in via tax revs. Brilliant
While that isn’t the purpose of the free market, it tends to use it’s sway over governments to swell deficit spending while the market enjoys the “profits” of government policy. No-bid contracts, the privatizing of schools and local utilities, fighting a war with mercenaries are all examples. I also agree that the government shouldn’t spend more than it takes in, it’s just that the free market doesn’t really agree with either of us, as it neither wants to fully employ citizens with a “living wage”,nor tend to the unhealthy, but it does still want it’s tax revenue-funded government contracts.
Agree. Social programs are nothing more than government-backed Ponzi schemes. Everything is hunky dory until the demographics change, which they won’t, right? Oh..wait… oops…
I know, totally, and all we get out of it is healthcare for uninsured retirees and children, and self-funded retirement pensions for those who found that the private sector had no interest in thinking of their futures, only it’s own, not to mention the thousands employed by both programs, with decent wages, protection from wrongful termination, and health insurance. And hey, look how benevolent the private sector is to it’s employees when “demographics change”.
It seems that the Darwinian socioeconomic philosophies of Friedmanites, Libertarians, and Anarcho-capitalists have won the hearts and minds, so to speak. So maybe you’re right, it’s just that those survival of the fittest(screw the rest) policies as applied to civilization frighten me. I’m probably just a bleeding heart liberal though.
I’m sure I’d like you a lot in real life. Go Saints.
Ditto, homie. Seeya out there.
by FuSoYa on Aug 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding !! Ding !!
That’s the end of round 12. We’ll have to go to the judges!!
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i jus wanna thank god for gin me tha chance to show erybody wat fusoya got wat takes to be champ an my famly and you no goin thru adversity an 110 percentage an
by FuSoYa on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot
“Day in and day out”
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 7, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When will Kenny
write an article about our football team? When will Kenny forgive WWL for firing him? When will Kenny accept Sean Payton as our head coach? When will Kenny understand that attacking the Coach, the Owner and the team that we love will not get him a pat on the back from the followers of the Saints? When will Kenny write something about the team that is interesting to read and that doesn’t attack the front office? When, Kenny?
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 6, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
When will you quit complaining about Kenny? LOVE the Wilk!
I said "Who put all those things in your head?"
Things that make me feel that I'm mad.
by stujo4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Kenny writes something about the team not the front office or coaching staff.
That’s WHEN!!!
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 6, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When
did this turn into Kenny exposing his grudge against WWL?
by FuSoYa on Aug 6, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I thought it was his grudge against Payton. Seems that if Kenny criticizes anything, he has some kind of grudge against it.
I said "Who put all those things in your head?"
Things that make me feel that I'm mad.
by stujo4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Objectivity
wears a gold helmet. Didn’t you learn that in grade school?
by coldpizza on Aug 6, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
if I exposed my grudge, there’d be all sorts of recriminations and innuendo.
How can he get away with it?
Don’t forget, he did say he wasn’t a Saints fan, just a journalist. Grain of salt. Grain of salt.
Do you know what it means...
by MissingNO on Aug 6, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MissingNO
Did he say that?
Don’t forget, he did say he wasn’t a Saints fan, just a journalist.
I missed that. I didn’t think I could respect him any less.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 6, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Duncan said that.
I said "Who put all those things in your head?"
Things that make me feel that I'm mad.
by stujo4 on Aug 6, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stu
That speaks volumes about who this guy is and how to take what he says. Why would I care what he says about the Saints? Good or bad, I might as well be listening to a bum on the street.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 6, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
You can hate a guy that will run a fifty yard dash in a suit on national TV. That’s funny, I don’t care who you are.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 6, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Just pointing out, he's a journalist before he's a fan.
Just like every other sports journalist.
by FuSoYa on Aug 6, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I exposed my grudge
at a sorority mixer last spring, and all I got was raucous applause.
by FuSoYa on Aug 6, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"When will Kenny understand that attacking the Coach, the Owner and the team that we love will not get him a pat on the back from the followers of the Saints?"
Probably about the same time getting a pat on the back begins to matter.
by coldpizza on Aug 6, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh!
Why won’t they kill Kenny?!?
Do you know what it means...
by MissingNO on Aug 6, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought
that being a sports journalist required objectivity. not saying someone can’t be a fan of a team but they have to be objective in what they write. Whenever Kenny has said or written anything about the Payton or front office, he always has a logical reason behind it. IDK if he hold a grudge or not but he has seemed to be objective about the Saints in a whole. I’m sure that if you ask Pat Y who his favorite team is, he won’t say the Saints but I still expect what he writes. As much as I hate to say it, they know more than we do b/c they see/hear about things that we don’t whether it’s b/c they are there or another writer consults with them and tells them about it. They’re objective and whether or not they are a Saints fan or not is irrelevant. Although, I would like them to root for us. :D
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Aug 6, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Although, I would like them to root for us.
I just prefer to get my news filtered through a “Saints Fan” not someone that holds a grudge against the head coach or front office of the Saints. The ladder is just a filter that alters the content toward the negative. This “Fan” thing is a fun hobby for me and I dislike when a “journalist” is constantly throwing darts at the team that I follow. Kenny could just tell me the facts about the team if he is a “journalist” and stop the negative commentary. There is no call for him to drag Mr. Benson’s personal purchases into a contract dispute with a player. What if I did a little digging on Mr. Wilkerson’s personal business. Would he appreciate that? I don’t think so, and that information would be just as relavant to this discussion as Mr. Benson personal business. Not being a “Fan” is one thing, just flat out disliking the people and team that you are coving and making a living from is another.
Who Dat?...... Drew Dat ! ! !
by Big and Easy on Aug 6, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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