Baby Got Backs
I was listening to my buddy Kenny Wilkerson on Sports Talk...Unplugged while he was going back and forth with a caller last night. The topic was the Saints running game; Kenny and the caller agreed that Mike Bell has proved to be the better straight-ahead, every down running back over Reggie Bush. But when the regular season starts, Kenny asked, who will be getting the bulk of the carries?
The answer, we could probably all agree, is Reggie. And that's fine with me. Bush has finally admitted something everyone and their grandmother already knew: His previous running style wasn't working. Now, Reggie says, that's all in the past...
"It's like an alcoholic when they go into an (Alcoholics Anonymous) meeting or something," he said. "That's the first step, just recognizing it and getting better from there. ... I'm really just working on being explosive and, yes, hitting the holes. I think over these last two years I haven't done that."
So Reggie is certainly worthy of yet another shot at being the teams number one between the tackles running back and moving on to step two of Alcoholics Anonymous: Running over linebackers. We've talked this pre-season about how much better the offensive line seems to be run blocking; certainly that bodes well for Reggie.
But what if he's not any better? In seasons past, we've seen Sean Payton stubbornly continue to incorporate Reggie into the running game even after it was evident that he just couldn't get it done and more evident that there was someone else on the roster who could. Stop me if you've heard this one before. As a fan, it was frustrating last season to watch the Saints run the ball more efficiently during games without Bush (4.84 yards per carry) than in games with him (3.61 yards per carry). You may have noticed Reggie also wasn't dressed these last two weeks of pre-season when the Saints have looked so great running the ball. One could argue that they are two completely different offenses. But I'm not trying to be a hater (don't tase me, Tay!) and I don't blame Reggie; I think it's a play calling issue, a stubborness issue. So when everyone's healthy this season, will Payton be willing to go with the hot running back...even if his name isn't Bush?
We've all been so excited about the prospect of the Saints having yet another great ball carrier in Mike Bell and seeing the team use a running back-by-committee approach, but only when utilized properly is that effective. For this, we must trust Payton, his playcalling and whether or not he remembers what he was just beginning to learn at the end of last season. More than anyone else on that field, his off-season improvement is most crucial.
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Reggie's best year...
Was his first year – WHEN HE HAD DEUCE. Injuries (deuce) forced Reggie into the full time RB role…something he wasn’t drafted to be in the first place.
When we talk about Reggie we talk about TOUCHES not CARRIES. His carry is a swing pass or a stop and go etc.
Having two very capable RB’s to carry the load will help Reggie gain more yards in 2009 but not in the conventional way that the old codgers want him to get yard -“straight up the ’ol gut”…
That’s not what he was drafted for and it’s not his game. BUT, can he still return kicks for TD’s? YES. Can he amass 1,600 – 2,000 rushing and receiving yards in 2009? YES.
That, my friend is what Reggie is here for and why he fits perfectly in Payton’s system.
Just because the monkey's off your back doesn't mean the circus left town - G. Carlin
by ty'76 on Sep 2, 2009 6:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
if you don’t count injuries against him, Reggie’s best year was last year. He was playing better, gaining more yardage per touch (rushing and receiving), and seemed to have reached the corner, if not actually turned it yet.
IF he can stay healthy—big “if,” I admit—I see no reason why he can’t continue to improve and be north of 4.0 this year.
"Tell all the killjoys to pound sand." -- Ralph Malbrough
by MtnExile on Sep 2, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
it’s all about staying healthy. Yes it is a big if but you’re right about Reggie’s best year was last year w/out the injury. He was on pace for a huge season.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Sep 2, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If if's and and's....
That’s just it MtnExile – he hasn’t finished a full season!! And he won’t until we get someone back there like the 2006 Deuce that can carry the bulk. Maybe now we have those guys.
Just because the monkey's off your back doesn't mean the circus left town - G. Carlin
by ty'76 on Sep 3, 2009 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with who carries the ball and who gets "touches"
BUT…and this is a very large caveat- it all has to be predicated on RESULTS. Whichever RB gets the results- and by results I mean consistent productive runs (and some swing passes, etc ) , should get a lot of carries. If everyone is doing well, then I guess that can work, but most RBs do better when they play many downs and get a feel for the game and the offense’s flow.
Now if that person is Reggie, that’s fine. If it’s PT, Bell or even someone like Hamilton, that’s fine as well. But, our offense needs to be just as explosive as last year, but more consistent in sustaining drives, especially late in the game. If we want our defense to be all that it can be, some of it rests on the offense’s shoulders. They can help immensely in keeping the D fresh and with field position. This comes with offensive consistency and converting short yardage situations. I personally think every one of our backs is capable of getting this job done. But, we will see. And some may be better at it than others.
by Philinwood on Sep 2, 2009 7:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We should look at the past....
to predict the future for Reggie. I like him and I think he is one of a kind but, I really don’t think that he can stay healthy for the whole season. I think we will be seeing alot of him on the side line because of injuries. Atleast that is the way it has looked to me this pre season. In a perfect world though he would transform into Adrian Peterson form and rush for over 1000yds! If he can’t then we definetly have other capable running backs. Just my 2cents
by dmcgoey on Sep 2, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bah
I would rather have Bush then Peterson.
Course… i would rather have BOTH then just one.. but if you make me choose one. I take Bush
MT
by MT_always on Sep 2, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peterson
is overdue for a major injury. I don’t know of anyone who thought he could last this long without breaking something important. This could be his year.
Plus: you know what? His average last year—4.8—was the same as Pierre’s. But PT is a better receiver.
"Tell all the killjoys to pound sand." -- Ralph Malbrough
by MtnExile on Sep 2, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, valid points but....
It’s AP. do not kid yourselves, he is the deal. And I would take him over Reggie.
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by asaint on Sep 2, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
U know it
Dude’s a Beast, nobody likes tackling him, not as big as Jacobs but faster, like to see Reg v.s. Adrian in a 40 yd sprint, Reggies’ a hybrid guy and needs the ball in space,Adrian creates his own space. Adrian would have been the new Deuce. Like him over Reggie,also.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will know..Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Sep 2, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont get me wrong...
I am firmly on the PT wagon.
I think if we go back a handful of us jumped on it and have never left…. we know who we are.
If AP were available and we had to decide if we wanted Bush, PT, or AP.. i would be hard pressed to say which 2 to keep.
Bush for sure as one of them… but PT or AP..
AP has more yards of course but he actually got the chance to run
PT has the same YPC and we think he has better hands… hard to say I don’t know if throwing to AP is an option or not.. could they trust their QB to throw it to him or did they just say he cant catch.
As it stands now.. I am more then happy with PT and Bush .. if his epiphany is real, and Coach actually realizes hes not the up the gut #1 RB.
We all remember Deuce and Him being so effective. The numbers show Bush is better now statwise but its not about HIS stats that made that so effective. Defenses had no clue what to expect any given play when Brees, Deuce, and Bush were all in the back. Is it a run, is it a pass. Is it a run up the middle or outside, or a pass to a WR or to HB. It was lethal.
MT
by MT_always on Sep 2, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed about deuce and reggie
that’s what i would like to see the saints go back to more except sub PT in for Deuce. You’d seriously keep PT over AP though? AP hasn’t been hurt yet carrying most of the load for the minnesota offense, is strong, and is also pretty fast. Also, he could be our short yardage back. Imagine a backfield of AP(a younger, maybe even better Deuce) and Reggie. That’s not happening anytime in this life though.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Sep 2, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bird in the hand.
I have liked PT since he walked into camp.
I have not seen much AP other then us shutting him down.
I HEAR all this AP is the best talk but since I have not seen it…..
I have faith that TP and Bush can work wonders if they are used the right way.
I have faith that if AP came.. they would try to change the system and it would fail
Rememer… AP wants the ball alot. … In Brees we trust. We are a pass first team.
MT
by MT_always on Sep 3, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Antonio Pittman??
HA! Had me there for a minute.
Don't you know it's going to be all right? All right. All right.
by stujo4 on Sep 3, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I HEAR all this AP is the best talk but since I have not seen it…..
I have faith that TP and Bush can work wonders if they are used the right way.
I have faith that if AP came.. they would try to change the system and it would fail"
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
by coldpizza on Sep 3, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what part?
Of have not seen it do you find hard to grasp and post pictures alluding to the fact im blind.
I dont get a chance to watch many football games and the ones I do make time to see feature a team called the Saints.
I dont watch the news or the sports shows
So how would i have SEEN much of him?
We are not a 8-8 team. That was our record last year.
We are a 0-0 team.. or if you insist on calling it by record a 3-1 preseason team.
Last year has no bearing on this year. Different cast of characters and circumstances.
I have FAITH that if we can stay more or less injury free… that Bush and PT can do what Bush and Deuce did that one year. Do I know they can? NO.
MT
by MT_always on Sep 4, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was alluding to your assertation that Adrian Peterson’s talent as a RB would somehow diminish the Saints offense, by making them pass less. This despite your never having seen him play, other than against the Saints.
A few points I’d like to interject here, if you don’t mind:
1. The Saints don’t often square off against themselves outside of practice.
2. Other NFL teams have had difficulty containing Mr. Peterson.
3. This has occurred, even if you’re not aware of it.
4. A balanced attack is a less predictable attack.
5. A less predictable attack is more difficult to defend.
6. An offense that is more difficult to defend typically leads to more scores.
7. More scores typically lead to more victories.
8. This is a good thing.
9. Good is the opposite of bad.
10. This applies to blind people, as well.
And you’re absolutely right. We’re not an 8-8 team. That was our record last year. We’re also not a pass first team. That was a tendency from last year. A tendency that equated to eight victories, whether directly or indirectly, btw.
For the sake of argument, let’s suppose you’re 100% correct. 2009 Pierre Thomas = 2006 Deuce McAllister. 2009 Reggie Bush = 2006 Reggie Bush. Well heck, now we’re back to 10-6. That’s pretty darn awesome, right?
No. That’s pretty darn run of the mill. That’s fighting tooth and nail down the the final week of the season, often times not controlling your own destiny good.
The Saints passing attack + Adrian Peterson would be more like 14-2, homefield advantage throughout the playoffs and heavily favored Super Bowl contender good. And best of all, you don’t even need “faith” to arrive at that conclusion. All you need is a television set that picks up Minnesota Viking games and a layman’s understanding of what matters most in the game of football.
As the Mr. Magoo jpg implies, just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You seem to be a man of blind faith. Try opening your eyes and applying some of that “I believe it can work” no-how towards a slightly better informed post.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
by coldpizza on Sep 4, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We are a pass first team.”
We are also an 8-8 team.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
by coldpizza on Sep 3, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very nice point
i don’t mind the pass first but alot of times in the past our D has been so bad that we’ve had to score lights out to win games. Brees was our best option there. Hopefully this year, the D will get better and our running game will be able to help us sustain enough drives for us to win. I don’t think that if AP came along they would try to change the system because we have Brees(arguably the best QB in the league right now) and Payton is the head coach. Also, I’ve never heard anyone say that AP asks for the ball alot but i can’t say I would blame him if he did. If I was him, I’d say let’s not throw a pass at all because the QB is Tavaris Jackson. Jackson shouldn’t even be a starting QB. If you’re afraid that your QB will throw a pick or make bad passes that cut the drive short, he has every right to ask for the ball so much. He’s the best back in the league. That’s just from watching and hearing about him.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What i mean was can you figure he would be happy..
Going from the MAN to part of a committe?
Sharing the touches with Bush? would he be happy?
I cant answer that.. i dont know him.
MT
by MT_always on Sep 4, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he had Brees for a QB and was part of a BALANCED attack, he would be even more effective than he already is. He may not have the same number of touches or yards, but he would have a better per touch average. The same goes for Brees. He wouldn’t have to pass as much, so the majority of his statistics would drop. As long as the number under the W column increases — and believe me, it would — both would be ecstatic with their situation. Trust me. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. These aren’t the best players to model your career around as a professional QB, unless you have what they never had. A balanced attack.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
by coldpizza on Sep 4, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll have what he’s having.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
by coldpizza on Sep 2, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New classification Needed
The X-Back classification should be assigned to Reggie scense Reggie is not a typical RB and Not a WR. The NFL should expaned the 53 man limit to 54 to accomedate the new designation. Just idle ramblings. I’ll be quit now.:)
by Lyle Lirette on Sep 2, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
X-Back is a fitting designation for Reggie, considering how badly he wanted his.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
by coldpizza on Sep 2, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Split HB formation
I think it’s clear that Reggie is the most valuable asset of that group, but somebody else has to be there to produce yards up the middle when everybody on the field knows that’s coming. I think Thomas and Bell are equally suited for that job.
All that aside, I reeeeely think putting Reggie and any of the other backs behind Brees together on a qb handoff option could be an effective toy on first and second downs. And I don’t think Bush should ever be back there alone unless it’s on a shotgun draw or PA HB option or screen.
It would be a real pity, and more importantly, sickening to fans(well, me, at least), if Payton can’t accept that Bush just cannot take the ball from the I-formation 25 times per game. He can do a lot of crazy stuff, but he can’t do that. Even if his YPC goes up, his knees won’t last the season. Also, it hurts Thomas’ chances of production if he ends up only coming in on third downs to run between tackles. That’s not exactly how it’s gone before, but on those dreaded 3rd/4th and 2’s from last year, when everybody knows the Saints are gonna try to run straight ahead, or cutback in the backfield, and Thomas gets the call, but it’s only his sixth play of the game or whatever, and everybody and their grandmother(refs included[@Denver ‘08]) believes the Saints can’t push the pile in short-yardage downs, that kills any hope of converting. You have to establish the run for it to be effective. And that will take more than Reggie.
by FuSoYa on Sep 2, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We definitely need to keep the defense guessing
Having RB and any one else in the backfield will create mismatches and confusion for the defense. When the defense can expect a typical play given a certain offensive package, it takes away the element of surprise. Like FuSoYa mentioned, having two backs can be highly effective for us on ALL downs.
by nanvinnie on Sep 2, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can do an-y-thing for yards
Yes, he can do an-y-thing for yaaards
He can do aaan-y-thing for yards
… but he can’t do that.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
by coldpizza on Sep 2, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crackin' me up, cp.
Me and you need to get together and smoke some weed and watch some porn. Jen Jam for me and I’ll bring the bong.
There is nobody so irritating as someone who is less intelligent than us and yet is wiser.
by Tigernut on Sep 2, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Raydio
He’s the best runnin’ back
but, he can’t do that.
He can make ‘em miss in space
but, he can’t do that.
He’s the one they really want
but, he can’t do that.
He’s the one who makes the bucks
but, he can’t do that.
(d-da daaa, bomp-bomp-bomp-bomp)
But, coach can try if he wants to. (Try it, baby, Whoo!)
There is nobody so irritating as someone who is less intelligent than us and yet is wiser.
by Tigernut on Sep 3, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As soon as I wrote the words
“but he can’t do that”, I saw that reply coming. You’re rollin’ into those bad joke setups like a bat out of hell! Done.
by FuSoYa on Sep 2, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boom!
that’s what i’ve been wanting to see. 2 running backs in the backfield together like in 06 when we did so well.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
by skinnykinney on Sep 2, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bush is our Vick.
Let’s face it. It don’t matter if we need Reggie like a bicycle needs a fish, he’s gonna play. He’s going to be forced into the offense the same way Vick is in Philly because he is the Money Man just like Vick. He’s the one that gives us a million more fans in California and everywhere else outside of Louisiana. He’s the one they want to see and whether he helps our team or not, the peeps is gonna get what they want so fat-a$$ can get what he wants.
There is nobody so irritating as someone who is less intelligent than us and yet is wiser.
by Tigernut on Sep 2, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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