Saints sign QB Chase Daniel from Redskins
Jason LaConfora Twitter
Email
PrintComments
I can't stand Chase Daniel. But then, I hate Missouri.
Rotoworld.com:
Sep. 6 – 4:22 pm et
Saints signed QB Chase Daniel to their practice squad.
Daniel could’ve went to Washington’s practice team, but is making a smart move here. He can learn behind another highly accurate, if undersized passer (Drew Brees). The Saints’ only other QB is 39-year-old backup Mark Brunell.
Daniel was tremendously accurate at Mizzou, but lacks the arm strength NFL teams covet. He’s also too small at 6’0/218
History shows again and again
How nature points up the folly of men
There you go again!
You and your damn RotoWorld! :-)
I don’t know about this guy. It’ll be interesting to see how he develops with Payton as coach and Brees/Brunell as mentors. With so many other project QBs out there for Payton to choose from, I’ll be very interested to hear why Daniel was chosen. Of course, with Payton you don’t really get a lot of information other than the standard coach speak.
"He has got a good ol' boy sense of humor, but he has also got a good ol' boy sense of kick you in the ass, too,"--Gregg Williams describing Bill Johnson. The D WILL ROCK THIS YEAR!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Sep 6, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
"He’s also too small at 6’0/218"
In other words…he’s the same size as Drew Brees. Oh wait…Brees is smaller.
He sounds like a good fit for Payton’s system, and he’s only joining the practice squad. If he can develop into an NFL quarterback, then we have him; if not, then we haven’t lost anything, because we still need someone to play on the scout team.
"Tell all the killjoys to pound sand." -- Ralph Malbrough
"Daniel was tremendously accurate at Mizzou"
Not all negative? Guess Rotoboys screwed up this one…
Just get the D going!
Sweet!
Daniel is a Brees clone in every sense of the word.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
Not so sweet
Just to the practice squad. Oh well, it’s better than standing pat.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
he'd be great
as a long-term prospect. kicked ass in college—thought he was very underrated coming out. of course, if the redskins don’t want him… but then again, miami passed on drew brees before we signed him
He was battling Colt Brennan for the #3 spot and from all I gather, they were neck-in-neck throughout training camp. Probably came down to which guy best fit the mold of a prototype QB and between those two, that’s really no contest despite Brennan being a little light in the ass. Easier to bulk a guy up than have him play in platform cleats. Without having had success with that type of QB in their system, I can’t really blame them. Most teams would have made the exact same decision, all things equal.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
Hold on there
Zorn runs a West Coast system, and you’re saying a run n shoot guy with a slow release is gonna be a better fit than the hyper-accurate, quick-release guy? Not so sure about that, my friend.
by MarcusR on Sep 6, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you have Zorn's number?
Maybe you can ask him why he chose Brennan over Daniel. I’m just speculating that it has to do with his size. Not sure what the run and shoot has to do with anything. That was just a system he excelled in in college. Brees ran a spread attack in college, also. Are you saying he couldn’t excel in a West Coast system?
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
BOOM rec'd it
So he broke all the records at Missouri. Big deal. This is the NFL. He’s a bigger project than Joey:
nfldraftscout.com:
Most draft Web sites predict Daniel will go undrafted. They cite the fact that he measured only 6-foot at the NFL Scouting Combine. The 32 NFL starters last season averaged almost 6 feet, 3 inches, based on heights on nfl.com, and only one, Drew Brees, was listed under 6-1. They question whether Daniel can operate under center out of a pro-style offense after spending his career in the shotgun. They doubt his arm strength.
History shows again and again
How nature points up the folly of men
I like it
I bet he’ll get the royal Harrington treatment this year, but if he stays a Saint, that’s a real potential understudy for Brees in ‘10. And if we need a qb for more than a week this year, I’d think about Daniel as a starter.
It's very much
to our advantage that he has the knocks on him (lack of height and arm strength) that he does. He’ll likely be one of the last practice squad QBs most teams turn to in an emergency situation becase of it, Washington excluded. As long as he can learn the playbook quickly, there’s an outside chance he could see action late in the season, especially if we’re not playing for a playoff berth, a first round bye or home field advantage throughout. Regardless, he should be a safe understudy for the remainder of 2009 and a legitimate contender for the backup position going into next season.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
#10
is even available, now that Skyler Green got the axe. That worked out nicely.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
Sounds like...
another boy toy, er, i mean “pet project” for Payton
Will this be the year I finally get to pop this cork?
At least it's a boy
and not a thirty year old never-was man. Daniels has the right skill set to excel in an offense catered to Brees, and he hasn’t been crippled by years of failure and disappointment yet. This really seems like a smart move. At least on paper.
Let's not forget
how far back the Harrington project set us back. We could have EASILY been a third place team last season with the right emergency QB.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
May never matter
but at least he’s young, has potential to excel in the Saints’ offense, and could likely benefit by playing behind Brees. A lot of folks(you included, I think) wanted the Saints to bring in youth at QB with the draft or FA this offseason. This is better than that, as it cost nothing from the draft and comparatively little from the coffer for a high caliber player. Never hurts to have a good player in an important position, just in case, you know, we ever need another QB.
Completely agree
I was just being facetious, in light of the “pet project” comment. If you can somehow avoid spending a first or second round pick on a franchise quarterback, more power to you as a coach. It’s that outside the box thinking that got Brees here to begin with. 3-13, with the 2nd pick in the draft … just how fortunate are we not to be lamenting a Vince Young or Matt Leinart versus Mark Brunell quarterback quandry right now?
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
Size and arm strength
doesn’t always determine winners. Just compare Brees to Jamarcus Russel. Russel was the “prototypical” QB coming out of college. Now its rumored he can’t grasp the play book.
That brings me to my only concern about Daniel, there are rumblings and rumors of Mizzou haveing to trim the playbook while he was there. True or not thats what is being said. Good luck Chase and study hard and absorb from the best.
by WhoDat_OH on Sep 6, 2009 7:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
From what I read on a SI site was that Zorn wanted him for their prac. squad but Daniel opted for NO instead
Therefore it was not as if Washington didn´t want him
True
but they still released him in favor of Brennan. Meaning they knew it was a possibility that they could lose him outright. Whenever competition is as close as theirs was, why would you NOT want the player you release back on your practice squad? I’m sure if the NFL had 80 man rosters like the NCAA, they’d both still be Redskins. Hell, he could still wind up going back to Washington, if a couple of their QBs go down and Daniel views it as a better situation for himself. I’m sure his decision is heavily based on the fact that there’s only two QBs on our active roster and one of them will be 39 years old within the month. I think both he and the Saints are in a very good situation, as of 9/06/09.
"It feels like a tiny prick " -Reggie Bush
why chase daniels doesn't belong in the nfl
Newyorker.com:
The style of offense that the Tigers run is called the "spread," and most of the top quarterbacks in college football—the players who will be drafted into the pros—are spread quarterbacks. By spacing out the offensive linemen and wide receivers, the system makes it easy for the quarterback to figure out the intentions of the opposing defense before the ball is snapped: he can look up and down the line, "read" the defense, and decide where to throw the ball before anyone has moved a muscle. Daniel had been playing in the spread since high school; he was its master. "Look how quickly he gets the ball out," Shonka said. "You can hardly go a thousand and one, a thousand and two, and it’s out of his hand. He knows right where he’s going. When everyone is spread out like that, the defense can’t disguise its coverage. Chase knows right away what they are going to do. The system simplifies the quarterback’s decisions."
But for Shonka this didn’t help matters. It had always been hard to predict how a college quarterback would fare in the pros. The professional game was, simply, faster and more complicated. With the advent of the spread, though, the correspondence between the two levels of play had broken down almost entirely. N.F.L. teams don’t run the spread. They can’t. The defenders in the pros are so much faster than their college counterparts that they would shoot through those big gaps in the offensive line and flatten the quarterback. In the N.F.L., the offensive line is bunched closely together. Daniel wouldn’t have five receivers. Most of the time, he’d have just three or four. He wouldn’t have the luxury of standing seven yards behind the center, planting his feet, and knowing instantly where to throw. He’d have to crouch right behind the center, take the snap directly, and run backward before planting his feet to throw. The onrushing defenders wouldn’t be seven yards away. They would be all around him, from the start. The defense would no longer have to show its hand, because the field would not be so spread out. It could now disguise its intentions. Daniel wouldn’t be able to read the defense before the snap was taken. He’d have to read it in the seconds after the play began.
Sean Payton and Drew Brees are going to make me a star.
more
"In the spread, you see a lot of guys wide open," Shonka said. "But when a guy like Chase goes to the N.F.L. he’s never going to see his receivers that open—only in some rare case, like someone slips or there’s a bust in the coverage. When that ball’s leaving your hands in the pros, if you don’t use your eyes to move the defender a little bit, they’ll break on the ball and intercept it. The athletic ability that they’re playing against in the league is unbelievable."
As Shonka talked, Daniel was moving his team down the field. But he was almost always throwing those quick, diagonal passes. In the N.F.L., he would have to do much more than that—he would have to throw long, vertical passes over the top of the defense. Could he make that kind of throw? Shonka didn’t know. There was also the matter of his height. Six feet was fine in a spread system, where the big gaps in the offensive line gave Daniel plenty of opportunity to throw the ball and see downfield. But in the N.F.L. there wouldn’t be gaps, and the linemen rushing at him would be six-five, not six-one.
"I wonder," Shonka went on. "Can he see? Can he be productive in a new kind of offense? How will he handle that? I’d like to see him set up quickly from center. I’d like to see his ability to read coverages that are not in the spread. I’d like to see him in the pocket. I’d like to see him move his feet. I’d like to see him do a deep dig, or deep comeback. You know, like a throw twenty to twenty-five yards down the field."
Sean Payton and Drew Brees are going to make me a star.
Can he see? Can he be productive in a new kind of offense? How will he handle that? I’d like to see him set up quickly from center. I’d like to see his ability to read coverages that are not in the spread. I’d like to see him in the pocket. I’d like to see him move his feet. I’d like to see him do a deep dig, or deep comeback. You know, like a throw twenty to twenty-five yards down the field."
Didn’t happen. Couldn’t get drafted, couldn’t make 3rd string, couldn’t make the Skins’ practice squad, ended up on the Saints’ practice squad. Sean Payton has some ‘splainin’ to do.
Sean Payton and Drew Brees are going to make me a star.
I mean really, how much more clearly can it be put? And I liked Tim Couche a lot.
more
A college quarterback joining the N.F.L., by contrast, has to learn to play an entirely new game. Shonka began to talk about Tim Couch, the quarterback taken first in that legendary draft of 1999. Couch set every record imaginable in his years at the University of Kentucky. "They used to put five garbage cans on the field," Shonka recalled, shaking his head, "and Couch would stand there and throw and just drop the ball into every one." But Couch was a flop in the pros. It wasn’t that professional quarterbacks didn’t need to be accurate. It was that the kind of accuracy required to do the job well could be measured only in a real N.F.L. game.
Sean Payton and Drew Brees are going to make me a star.
This one ain't even hard
Man, you’re being one-eyed about this.
The fact is, NFL talent evaluation stinks in general, but NFL quarterback talent evaluation stinks real, real bad. Brees got let go by San Diego, Brady went in the 6th round, David Carr went #1 overall, Ryan Leaf went top 2, the list can go on and on and on.
The fact that this kid spent his whole college career in the shotgun spread really doesn’t mean as much as you’d think. I teach 18 year-olds who’ve never held a football before how to 3-step drop. It takes maybe 2 weeks, with 3 hours a week contact time. This guy, being paid to do so, and taught by some of the best in the business, with umpteen hours’ contact time, you think he really can’t be taught to run backwards holding the ball? Sure it’ll take time, but that’s why he’s on the practice squad.
As for needing to wind up before loosing a deep ball, there’s a lot of perfectly good NFL QBs who have to do the same thing. Plus, he’s still young. Strength trainers get to him and put some more muscle on that arm, he’ll be fine.
hey alright actually some comments about actual subject matter
I agree with you Marcus— i think it’s too early to rule out the potential of Daniel being a solid NFL player. He hasn’t had any real experience in the pros, and with 4-6 years to develop under FUTURE HALL OF FAME QUARTERBACK drew brees who knows how good he could be? Additionally, he’s on the practice squad—it’s not like we’re wasting a roster spot on this “pet project” of Payton. He can’t be any worse than Tyler Palko—or who was that guy that got run down by the golf cart? His name escapes me, but you know what I mean.
Payton’s got a good eye for QBs (see: wanting to get Tony Romo at a time when he wasn’t considered starting material), so I wouldn’t be so quick to hate on this Daniel kid… I’m not saying he’s a long-term, franchise-type guy for us, but to say he does not belong in the NFL is a bit extreme.
Im not saying...
Daniel will be Drew Brees… hell I’m not even saying he can come close to filling his shoes (im not a NFL coach nor do I have the necessary xp to evaluate with conviction) but if we take what people have said about Chase Daniel, to which I believe Stujo has admirable cited in previous posts, and compare them to what people said of Drew Brees coming out, it sounds quite similar…
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2001/profile/drew_brees.html
"For us, there is no spring... only the smell of fresh wind before the storm."
-Conan of Cimeria
Daniel - I'm not a fan
but I’m fine with giving him a shot. He’s got more potential to be good than Harrington does.
Where's JD ?
I’m not gonna argue with Payton’s choice. After all who knows more what he wants in a QB than he? I was just more a fan of acquiring John David Booty. Like i said a couple weeks ago, I thought he’d be a good fit. Still might. Only time will tell.
Is Chase the future franchise? Doubt it. Is he serviceable probably. Is he the last QB to be signed this year? Maybe not.
Oh if only we could see the future. But where’s the fun in that!
by WhoDat_OH on Sep 7, 2009 11:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Chase is a fierce competitor. He has the Field General qualities that most QB’s don’t. A few years working with Brees, and he will be able to step in without any problems.
by Roy By God Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
Welcome to CSC!!!
Wanna say something? Sign up! It's free!
by Dave Cariello on Sep 7, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
i didn’t watch him a whole lot but what i did see was him taking charge of the offense and making passes. I like the pickup although I would’ve liked to get Harell(sp?) instead b/c he seems more accurate. A lot of times Daniel looked like he was just throwing it up to Maclin and having him bail him out much like a Delhomme/Smith relationship. I’m still ok with taking him and giving him a shot though.
Superbowl bound!!!...I hope? Go Saints! :D
Brains make up for braun.
You can be six foot six with an arm like Roger Staubach. If you ain’t got the smarts, you ain’t got diddly. I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: You gotta be smart to be an NFL quarterback. Joey, I think, like Grossman, Vick, Russel, and Lienart, just wasn’t that smart. In the last game, he couldn’t stay focused on the recievers, opting to watch the pressure close in on him with that ‘doe in the headlights’ look. If Daniel is a smart kid, it will make up for any of his shortcomings, NPI. You only have to see over the line if the line is in front of you. Watch Brees. When he can’t see, he rolls out, peers through the gap, and finds his man. That is what QB smarts can do.
If we could just sythesize life in a laboratory, we could prove that the creation of life requires no intelligence.
by Tigernut on Sep 7, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
