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The Key to the Vikings' D

I just finished watching Kurt Warner carve up the Vikings' defense on NFL Rewind. I had thought the Vikings had a top defense, but it turns out the answer is, they have half of one.

If you look at the stats on NFL.com, you'll see that Minnesota was only the 19th-best pass defense in the NFL last season. Vikes fans would be quick to point out that the Saints are even worse: they're 26th. Here's the deal, though: that stat is based on yards per game.

Let's use a better one, one that predicts the total effectiveness of the passing defense: opponents' passer rating. The Saints are 3rd. They hold opposing quarterbacks to an average passer rating of 68.6. And that's even with our late-season defense giving up career days to people like Josh Freeman. When Greer and Porter were the starters, our pass defense was 1st by this metric. Guess what? Greer and Porter are back.

And the Vikings? They're 27th. They give up an average passer rating of 92.5. To put that in perspective: the Vikings make their opponent look like Kurt Warner (2009 average: 93.2); the Saints make their opponent look like Ryan Fitzpatrick (2009 average: 69.7)

What this means--in all probability--is that all the talk about pass protection is right on target. We don't need to do anything special to defeat the Vikings; we just have to play our game well. With Nicks and Evans controlling the "Williams Wall," and Stinch handling Ray Edwards (or whoever subs for Edwards if he can't go), that leaves Jermon Bushrod against Jared Allen.

The Cardinals had excellent success controlling Allen by using chip blocks by tight ends or running backs, or by passing him off from Jeremy Bridges to Reggie Wells on the inside (Bushrod to Nicks). Know how many sacks Allen had? Zero. Know how many tackles he had? Zero. Nada. Total shutout.

Throughout this entire year, things have worked out for us in almost every way. It may also turn out that the Dallas defeat prepared us perfectly to play this game. Bushrod, at least, now knows what it's like to go up against an elite outside pass rusher, and what it takes to stop him. He may not be up to the job; but at least he won't be surprised. And I'm betting that he's going to be up to the job. And if we stop the pass rush...there's nothing behind it.

My prediction: we score 37 points.

This FanPost was written by a reader and member of Canal Street Chronicles. It does not necessarily reflect the views of CSC and its staff or editors.

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and we hold them to 17........WHO DAT

DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!

by SAINTSfaninNC on Jan 18, 2010 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for helping me feel better about this matchup

I too don’t expect Payton to just leave Bushrod all alone to deal with Allen, not that I consider Bushrod to be bad or not up to the task. Payton and his staff are going to dissect ever little thing they can from those four Vikings losses this year. Finding a sure-fire way to neutralize that potent Vikes pass rush will be his task no. 1 this week. I’m confident he’ll find a way. If Brees gets time, I don’t think the Vikes secondary will be able to stop him.

"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 18, 2010 10:20 PM CST reply actions  

We didn't adjust to D Ware and we paid for it...........

what are the chances Deuce suits up to protect Drews backside?? WHOOOP, THERE IT IS!!!!!!!! WHO DAT

DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!

by SAINTSfaninNC on Jan 18, 2010 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a feeling he’ll be active, if Shockey can’t go. And for that exact reason.

"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Jan 19, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Spot on. I do feel better already. Are we wearing Gold Pants?

"They're ready to be like 'Same Old Saints'" - Roman Harper, on each of the New Orleans Saints vanquished foes of 2009

by Hollywoo! on Jan 18, 2010 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

It would be the prudent thing to do at this juncture (in my best George HW Bush accent)......WHO DAT

DON'T STOP 'TIL WE REACH THE TOP!!!!!!!!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!

by SAINTSfaninNC on Jan 18, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there anyone we can lobby for gold pants?

I’m on the gold pants bandwagon now and wanna support in any way I can!

NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!

by Dan Kelly on Jan 18, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Hollywoo!

love your avatar, Top Gear FTW!

"A demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots." -H. L. Mencken

by Bens4vcobra on Jan 19, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Drew Brees a different QB than Romo

Romos’ running game was ineffective b/c crygirls run draws and delays, and the Vikes seemed to be more adept at stopping it, we are a power and counter run with a fullback/TE lead or back-side containment, the “Cowboy Draw/Delay” left their lone running back on an island, and the Vikes D-Line dissrupts the timing of Draws and Delays, Romo had to pass more b/c they fell behind, deep routes and holding the ball longer, blocking breaks down….sack. I didn’t notice a whole lot of screens from the Crygirls either and when they tried to screen, the Vikes felt it coming and dissrupted it also,by being in Romo face or the RB’s face.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.

by metryman on Jan 18, 2010 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed

The Cowboys do, and did, in that game, run an inordinate number of draw runs. The Vikings stopped every one for a loss. They never had what one would call running efficiency, but a large part had to do with their commitment to the draw. They were known for doing it, and the Vikings sniffed it out. I don’t think our running style will be as simple a thing to neutralize by scheme, nor does either team have the same time to prepare for one another’s tendencies. However, we do a lot of zone blocking runs and a lot of pulling the guard(almost always Carl Nicks) to overload one side of the line. We have tendencies. Dallas sniffed them out. It can be done. On the other hand, Dallas has a very solid 3-4, while Minny has a very solid 4-3. Translation: if we can create the hole we’re trying to in the D-line(the one over Pat Williams, I’m sure), there will be less traffic behind that hole.

"I do know that we have some unfinished business that we started a few years ago and we want to finish the deal."- Dulymus McAllister

by FuSoYa on Jan 19, 2010 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes ya'll have played well

But you have not faced a complete offense like ours
You have faced good running teams and held them
You have faced good passing teams and held them
But i havent seen where you have played a complete team any where
You have played the Packers and they are good but i dont see the 4-5 recievers they have that can hold a candle to the talent we are capable of putting on a field along with our running game

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Dallas actually is a pretty complete offense.

Green Bay actually has a very good RB as well. We beat both of them. Obviously neither of them was as good as the Saints offense since you have the leas stat where it counts in points scored. But to say we havnt’ ran into teams that can pass and run well, is not very true. It woudl be like saying you guys havn’t run into a strong defensive team all year. Which is patently false, you did with the Cowboys, and to some extent the Bronco’s.

by Grime on Jan 19, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sold on Dallas offense as being complete

We played them missing 5 defensive starters and they only put 21 on our depleted defense
And i dont doubt Greenbays running game but just like Dallas they only have 2 big time recievers Driver who has lost a step and Jenning’s
And we didnt play the Broncos but when we played the Jets the Giants and the Redskins they were all the #1 defense at the time and when we played the Panthers which has a very good D we were never threatened in the first game we won by 10 the 2nd game we sat our starters

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I know

Your the best at everything. I’m actually not being sarcastic here. I even admited it in my post that we have played complete teams just not as talented as your team is. As for the Giants D. three teams have scored 40+ on them. That’s bad. The redskins o is so bad that their D spends way to much time on the field. The Jets and the Panthers are both solid D’s.

As I said in the previous post I can’t take away the fact that your O is one of if not the toughest in the NFL this year. But it would be silly to think that we havn’t played complete teams just because they aren’t the #1 in the NFL…

by Grime on Jan 19, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

lol - sarcasm

I love it. We are definitely not the best at everything. I just hope we’re good enough to get past you guys and into the big dance. I think we each want our team to be the underdog in this one because we think we’ll have a better chance when no one expects our team to win. That’s why I proclaim the Saints to be the underdogs. They aren’t fit to carry the Vikings’ jock straps. The Vikings will win in a landslide.

How’s that for reverse psychology?

"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 19, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I think your wrong

The Vikes aren’t fit to sweep the streets. AD was seen pulling out a walker over at Denny’s last nights and Favre has missed his last two dialysis appointments..

by Grime on Jan 20, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t think Driver has lost a step and Jennings is one of the best. They actually have some other guys who are pretty good and Finley really is a tweener and he’s the real deal. I get what you’re saying and can agree to a degree.

by Salty on Jan 19, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

You have played the Packers and they are good but i dont see the 4-5 receivers they have that can hold a candle to the talent we are

Seriously?

Donald Driver
Greg Jennings
Jermichael Finley
James Jones

No? You did see the wild card game Packers-Cards, right?

Look, I think the OP is actually right — our secondary is one of our achilles heels, and I am definitely nervous about it. If our front four doesn’t get enough pressure on Brees, you will probably carve us up.. But saying that we haven’t been in a remotely similar position before — after having played Packers twice, Cardinals (>>>with Boldin<<< not without like you guys just got), not to mention facing Big Ben, Romo, and Flacco — seems to be a bit of a stretch. So we got that low passign defense ranking even though we never faced a balanced or deep passing offense? Really? C’mon dude!

by puddnhead on Jan 19, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I love checking out people's avatar's. There's so often something extra.

You took the cheese, but not in the way Coach Payton was talking about. Too funny.

WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dynasty - 2009 - ????

by nofear on Jan 19, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Very insightful information, thanks MtnExile.

Here is a thought, put deuce in as a pass blocker.

by DrWhoDat on Jan 19, 2010 1:15 AM CST reply actions  

Doh

I didn’t read the other posts before I posted. SFNC good idea. Great minds think alike. I know the game will wear Deuce out but he will have 2 weeks to recover before superbowl.

by DrWhoDat on Jan 19, 2010 1:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice read M.E.

i agree 100%…what i find funny is that most of the so called expert analysts that ive seen so far all pick the vikes. “their pass rush will get to brees”, “adrian peterson will be the difference maker”, so on and so forth. have they forgotten that we had the number one offense in the league? that we lead the league in takeaways? it just amazes me how they all jumped from the dallas bandwagon to the minnesota one in a heartbeat

"These two teams just should not play each other" ...John Madden during a 1991 Saints-Eagles game

by saintsfan77 on Jan 19, 2010 1:57 AM CST reply actions  

Greta post M-E

I was thinking the same thing. i think they are very vulnerable also in the middle of their LB crew, which is a part of what you are saying anyway. I expect their 4th CB to cover Meachem when we go with 4 wideouts and I think that’s exploitable.

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Jan 19, 2010 6:19 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for posting this.

I’d like to watch that game myself. While I’m certain we can win this thing, your observations made me feel even better about our chances.

Forget the nickel and dime, you'd better bring a half- dollar to deal with this team.--Tony Moss, NFL editor

by SaintsFan-KS on Jan 19, 2010 6:24 AM CST reply actions  

I have a funny feeling

that the situation with Deuce was a long time in the making. Just as Peyton might have done some things to get other teams to “show there hands”, as another post on here surmised, I have a feeling this is the case with Deuce. What I mean by this is, isn’t it possible Coach knew this situation was in the making? Who knows that 6 weeks ago he didn’t contact Deuce and say, “look, here’s the situation…………I hope you’re in shape, cause I’m bringing you back in to a.) help us in a situation where we need it and b.) to reward you for the dedication and time you gave this team.”
I’m not going to say Coach is sneaky, he’ s just well informed, very thorough and doesn’t tip his hand to much as to what he’s thinking/doing. I’m sure, as the day is long, that GW has the Vikings dissected and a defensive game plan in place that will drive them to drink and the Coach P has an offensive game plan in place that will shock and surprise both the Vikings and the fans. Peterson will be sitting on the sidelines like LT was for Diego last week by halftime. This game will be known as the most perfect and dominate game the Saints have played to date. (wow…bad grammar on that sentence!)

by Scott2417 on Jan 19, 2010 6:56 AM CST reply actions  

Right you are M-E

I’ve been thinking the same thing, you just articulate it much better.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

To play devils advocate slightly, Arizona carved up a back-end that was missing Winfield and had to adjust in game to the loss of the MLB — Henderson (?) — to a horribly broken leg.

On the other hand, Winfield is back and has played badly enough that he’s the nickel corner from what I understand, and their replacement MLB, tho better than he was at first, isn’t elite yet and probably won’t be in time for this game.

And at that particular point in time, Zona’s D was looking pretty good. They have since fell off the map, probably primarily due to injury. If ours can play as well as theirs did, and especially if Vilma/Sharper can bait Brett as well as Zona did during that game, we should get a few picks. And that might well be enough to win.

by FriarBob on Jan 19, 2010 8:08 AM CST reply actions  

He hasnt played badly

Its just that we dont feel he’s our best option to play with the number 1 reciever due to him gettting back from injury. He hasn’t got his speed back yet.

by vikesfan4lyf on Jan 19, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Glad to see you show up

How about trying to get some of your compadres over here so we can discuss this like reasonable people? This is usually a pretty good site for people who’d rather talk football than talk smack.

BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!

by MtnExile on Jan 19, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Also during the Cards game

both of our tackles came out with injuries. Both later came back in but you coudl tell their play was affected (and was affected the next week as well) This caused Favre to have a CRAP load of pressue. Which he usually doesn’t ahve to deal with. Lastly I think there is an even more important stat when dealing with Defenses and that is points scored against. I’ll have to go out and dig up those stats. I’m thinking they are fairly close. (sorry at work)

Lastly you guys feed off of the int, if we can limit that to one or none I think we have a good chance to holding you to less than 37. We need you to score about 21, any more than that and I think we’re in trouble.

by Grime on Jan 19, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

this post DOES make me feel A LOT better

also keep in mind that we shut down AP last time around. we lost last time because our secondary was whackerlands and we didn’t have a great running game. the new saints are balanced, motivated, more talented and ready to unleash. it’s going to be a great game!

i feel like a girl these days. every time i think about the saints going on to the superbowl i get all emotional… damnit!

by nanvinnie on Jan 19, 2010 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

the last game

has about ZERO relevance to this game

I see what you got...Lets rock - Al Bundy

by knucklesmalone on Jan 19, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I gotta ask....

Are any of you thinking Deuce actually plays or are you joking?

by Totally Spoil on Jan 19, 2010 9:48 AM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't doubt it

I remain agnostic on this…but it wouldn’t surprise me to see him activated. Nobody really knows what goes on in Sean Payton’s mad-scientist brain.

BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!

by MtnExile on Jan 19, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel if shockey doesnt play

Wendy’s will be needed at TE and Deuce may see time at FB

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Remember though...

Last year you lost to Gus Ferrot. We have added Percy Harvin and a Mr. Brett Favre with MUCH improved special teams play. I still have nightmares of Bush fielding punts against us last year. I’m not trying to be cocky, but this is a WHOLE different MN Vikes squad.

by Jepp The Viking on Jan 19, 2010 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

True

It’s also a whole different Saints squad. In fact, it’s the Saints who have shown the most change from one year to the next.

BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!

by MtnExile on Jan 19, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

yall got lucky in that game

ive never been so pissed off at the refs than that game, where they review a reggie bush fumble where his head is bent backwards with a ridiculous facemask (which was not called) and all they can look at is whether or not he fumbled before his knee touched.

"A lot of news to announce…my son’s 1st birthday today, Blackout the Dome on Saturday, and Deuce is back! Deeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccceee"

-drew brees via twitter

by DrewBreesManCrush on Jan 19, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Bushrod

Does alot better against a 4-3 base because he knows that DE is coming every play. He played good games against top pass rushers. Ware and Spencer ate him up because they are 3-4 OLB that disguise the blitz well. Like Jason Taylor earlier in the year had 2 sacks.

PHI – Trent Cole 2 tck 1 sac
NYG – Osi 3 tackles
CAR – Peppers 1 tackle

I see what you got...Lets rock - Al Bundy

by knucklesmalone on Jan 19, 2010 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

Whoever can dominate

This will be a good game.I’ve read what everyone thinks and I’m not agreeing….but there’s that if.
If BF can hold down on int’s which he has done all year then those extra points for you guys will not be there.
If Allen and whoever is on the otherside can get to your QB the game is over.Our run stop is close to leading the league for like 3 years running. True our secondary is not the best but if we only need 4 guys up front finding recievers with 7 in coverage will be tough…ask Romo.
Again there’s ifs here. I’m just hoping Ray Edwards is ok to play.

Farve can torch you…he’s got targets that are decent. you run defence is like 25th so All Day may have some opps ,but then again maybe Chester might get going.
You can not deny Harvins ability to gain yards either.Look at Rice setting the record with 3 tds.
Yet if McKinney looses his battles it will be a long day.I don’t think Loadholt will struggle.

Either way the game will be fun and if we loose I’m hoping the WhoDat Nation goes all of the way

by PalisadeKid on Jan 19, 2010 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

The Vikings prayer

The Vikings prayer

OUR FAVRE, WHO ART IN MINNESOTA.

HALLOWED BY THY GAME.

THY BLITZ MAY COME,

THY SCREEN PASS WILL BE DONE.

ON TURF OR GRASS AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

GIVE US THIS DAY OUR POINT SPREAD,

AND FORGIVE US OUR FUMBLES,

AS WE DO NOT FORGIVE THOSE WHO FUMBLE AGAINST US.

LEAD US NOT TO INTERCEPTIONS,

BUT DELIVER US A TOUCHDOWN.

FOR THINE IS THE FUTURE AND POWER OF VIKINGS FOOTBALL.

FOREVER AND EVER,

OR UNTIL YOU RETIRE.AGAIN

by PalisadeKid on Jan 19, 2010 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

Actually, a better question is whether he saw our, well, it wasn't a prayer but it was

on the same calibre. it was like a pledge or something. Don’t worry, it’s not alzheimer’s. I’ve always been this way. If I ever get alzheimer’s, no one will ever notice.

WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dynasty - 2009 - ????

by nofear on Jan 19, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it!

Don’t be disappointed when the good Lord answers this prayer with a Saints victory.

I especially like this line:

GIVE US THIS DAY OUR POINT SPREAD

"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 19, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Love it Satchmo!!!

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Jan 19, 2010 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

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