The Key to the Vikings' Offense
Having figured out what to do against Minnesota's vaunted defense, the problem shifts to the other side: how do you stop the Vikings' offense?
Favre or Peterson? It's a pick your poison sort of situation. Do you sell out to stop the run and let Favre throw daggers...or do you stop Favre and let Peterson club you to death? Who do you concentrate on?
The answer turns out to be surprisingly simple: Favre. All the way. In a heartbeat.
You only need to look at two stats to figure this one out. The first is Favre's: he has a 107.2 passer rating. That's only a bit behind Brees, who leads the NFL. Favre may be 40, and he may be prone to the occasional brain-fart, but he's still lethal. Ignore him at your peril.
But can you ignore the Vikings' running game? Isn't it every bit as dangerous as their passing? Well...no, actually. Minnesota ranks a decent 13th in rushing (the Saints, again, are better: they're 6th); but, as I pointed out in a similar situation when reviewing the Vikings' D, that ranking is based on a questionable stat: total yards. A better stat is average yards per rush, and here Minnesota's weakness is exposed: they rank 19th, tied with (among others) Arizona. They rush much more frequently--in fact, they had only one fewer attempt last year than the Saints--but they don't run the ball any more efficiently than the Cardinals do.
If you wanted to compare the upcoming NFC Championship game with any other games this year, I think the two best ones would be last week's victory over Arizona, and the home game against Carolina. In both of those games, we gave up a big run early, and held the line against the run well for the rest of the way.
In week 9, Carolina's DeAngelo Williams ripped off a 66-yard TD on the second play from scrimmage. From that point on, the Panthers averaged 3 yards per carry. And Arizona's Tim Hightower took the first play from scrimmage 70 yards for a TD...but from that point on, Arizona averaged 2.2 yards per carry. If we can play the run like this against the Vikings, it means conceding a single score in order to shut down half of Minnesota's offense. I don't consider that a bad trade-off.
That leaves Favre. The first thing to point out is that in the aforementioned games, Warner and Delhomme had passer ratings of 73.4 and 77.2, respectively. The Saints gave up no TDs and made one interception. Nobody is going to accuse Jake Delhomme of being a decent stand-in for Brett Favre in this scenario...but Kurt Warner? Much closer.
Against Carolina, Delhomme had one of his better days in large part, I am sure, because the Saints were primarily defending against the run. Against Arizona, Kurt Warner had one of his worst days in large part, I am sure, because the Saints were primarily defending against him. The Saints can pull off the same performance against Favre, I think--in large part because although Minnesota has the better quarterback, Arizona has the better receiver corps. The question is, if we spend most of our energy and attention shutting down Favre, what will Adrian Peterson do?
And that brings us back to the question of Minnesota's running game. Is it more like Arizona's--a merely decent attack--or is it more like the dominating attack of Carolina? And I think the Saints are in a good position to judge between the two. In 2008, the Saints held Peterson to a 1.5 yard average! When have we ever held DeAngelo Williams to anything like that? It's my opinion that Minnesota's reputation as a running team is firmly based on the past, and not on the present reality. Peterson's rushing average has been dropping steadily from his rookie year, while his fumbling has gotten worse. I would feel a lot better if the Saints decided to concentrate on stopping Favre first, and then worry about Peterson.
So the big question is: how DO you stop Favre? Well, Arizona did it, oddly enough, by stopping Peterson: by putting the Vikings in 3rd-and-long situations and then flooding the downfield zones with defenders. Favre could complete passes underneath, but they went nowhere. But they also got good pressure on him, sacking him three times. Carolina was even better: they sacked him four times, and scared Brad Childress so bad he wanted to yank Favre to save his skin. Pittsburgh also pressured Favre relentlessly, sacking him three times and running two turnovers back for scores.
And that seems to be the way to beat Favre: pressure = turnovers. Against Arizona, he threw two interceptions. Against Pittsburgh, he threw an interception and lost a fumble--and both resulted immediately in Steeler scores. Against Carolina, he threw only one interception, but had statistically his second-worst performance of the year.
So the Saints' prescription on defense is the perfect mirror image of the prescription on offense: get pressure on Favre. The Panthers, Cardinals, and Steelers did it mostly with pressure from the outside against left tackle Bryant McKinnie (three-quarters of their sacks came around this side) using mostly their ends and outside linebackers. For the Saints, that means Will Smith needs to step up big time. Weakside backer Scott Shanle and cornerback Tracy Porter will probably also be called upon to blitz, and they have to be able to get to Favre enough to rattle him, even if they don't get the sack.
Gregg Williams may also play a high proportion of 3-4 in this game, since both Arizona and Pittsburgh wreaked havoc with Arizona's protection schemes.
Still, we can't hope to shut down the Vikings completely. They'll get their points, but we'll have a strong say in how many points that'll be. I'm saying no more than 20.
Final score: Saints 37, Vikings 20.
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the winning strategy is to stop Peterson, flood the deep zones and pressure BF. I’ll say that if you get to play with 12 or 13 men on the field, your chances go way up.
no, the strategy is to stop peterson, then flood the deep zones and pressure favre
well only need 11 on the field and 1 in the stands for that.
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Jan 19, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
What about Rice?
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you think rice is better than fitz now? check your homer card dude.
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by knucklesmalone on Jan 19, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I said what about Rice, like AP is not the only guy BF throws too – let’s not forget about Rice, he can be a threat too
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
the point of the post is
stop the run game or stop the pass. rice cant get the ball without favre throwing it to him. stopping favre essentially means stopping rice
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by knucklesmalone on Jan 19, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think most analysis, including mine
is a lot like Steve Martin’s advice on how to become a millionaire: “First, you get a million dollars.”
We know that the way to stop Minnesota is to stop Favre and Peterson, and incidentally everyone else. Tall order. Unless the Vikings are having a historically bad day, we’re not going to shut them down completely; so the trick is, which aspect of their offense do you concentrate on?
My own answer is Favre. Not because I have no respect for Peterson, but because—for whatever reason, and whoever’s fault—the Vikings’ ground game hasn’t been anything better than average this year. But I have watched very little of their game action, so you tell me: is Peterson really facing 8 in the box routinely? Because if so, that tells me a couple of things:
1) Favre’s success this season is largely due to the fact that defenses are letting him get away with it in their determination to concentrate on Peterson; and
2) It hasn’t worked. Y’all are, after all, 13-4.
I do know, though, that the games you’ve lost are ones where a lot of pressure was put on Favre and he was hounded into making mistakes. Strangely enough, even though Peterson has lost six fumbles this season, only one—against Chicago in overtime—proved to be critical to the outcome of a game. Favre’s mistakes, on the other hand, have figured prominently in all four losses.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
Yeah, but is having a pass go through a receiver’s hands that results in a score or a strip sack really a great measure?
FWIW, I agree that the key is trying to stop him. Every analysis seems to be stop Peterson and then pressure Favre including the Cowboys. The reverse may not work, but the other formula is pretty much a failure.
Just from our defensive point
I have seen where we have been gashed in the running game this year
I have not seen where our DB’s have been burnt on a regular basis through the air when all were in and healthy
I have much more faith in our DB’s to handle a passing game then i have in our front 7 to handle the run thats why i think we concentrate on stopping them at the line of scrimage
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Nice post
And I agree with you I’m much happier when people try to stop AD. For some reason our line has stopped run blocking well. I think it might be our new center, he’s smallish and quick, which helps him pick up blitzes inside but hurts him when he has to try and push the line. Also Hutch had a problem with his back and shoulder and usualyl he is a dominant pulling guard.
Going after Favre is the plan, and Will Smith is your best bet to do it. The reason I don’t think this is as big of a worry as it could be is that Mt McKinney had a busted ankle in the Card and Panthers game (which is why he was removed) During the Giants game it looked like he was good again and after the bye playing the Cowboys you could tell he was full speed and he handled Ware and Spencer well. (although Ware was playing injured)
You best point was probably the line about Steve Martin, every time I do a write up about how are team can beat another team I look at it in the end and think, hrm how come no one else tries this, oh yeah they do! As you said execution is everything and it will be fun seeing the out come.
boom rec'd it and I didn't even read all of it (M-E does go on)
how to become a millionaire
I believe it is pronounced MEEEELLionaire.
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Dam good stuff!
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by Gris Gris Man on Jan 21, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
We play alot of man
Put Geer on Harvin and Porter on Rice give him help over the top if he needs it.
Bring alot of different blitz packages to pressure Brett.
And stuff the run
If we need to sell out to stuff it thats what we need to do.
And keep Jenkins on Chester Taylor
I know Jenkins is still a rookie but he has had playing time and Taylor is to fast for a Lb
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 11:35 AM CST reply actions
I'm not sure I would blitz Favre to much.
The teams that pressured him well either hid the blitz well or did it with their front four. CT, Shank and Harvin are all short dump pass guys that can get good yardage after they pick up the ball.
Harvin is fast but so is Greer thats why i said him on Harvin
GW is great at hiding blitzes and mixing it up
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
That is nice
But there are only so many ways you can mix and match 11 people over the years. Old Man Rivers has literally seen every iteration of the blitz you can throw at him.
by Jepp The Viking on Jan 19, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
There are two keys to blitzes
The first, of course, is to get to the quarterback. But the second is usually overlooked: to disguise the coverage. Make the quarterback react under pressure to something that isn’t really there and you wind up causing turnovers.
Williams has to find ways to disguise coverage at the same time he schemes to get blitzers to Favre. Frankly, the Vikings have to do the same thing against Brees, and I think the game will turn on who does it better.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
thats what they said about Warner
the point isn’t that the Saints invent new blitz schemes every week. its showing the QB something different that what he was expecting. If Favre recognizes the blitz pre-snap then he is gonna tear it apart, all the great qb’s do this, but if the coverage/pressure is different than what he’s seen on film he wont react as fast.
Favre has seen every blitz know to man, true. But the Saints are gonna try to confuse him and come with pressure that confuses him
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by knucklesmalone on Jan 19, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure Favre WILL recognize everything we send at him
…just not in time to do anything but say, “Oh, sh—”
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
Just b/c you see the train coming, doesn't always mean you can get out the way.
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Nice analysis...
you should get paid for this. You are giving more insight than 90% of the heads out there and you make more sense. WHO DAT brother.
"Being politically correct is not something I gonna do. You know who I want. You know who I want", Darren Sharper on possible NFC Championship matchup. WHO DAT!
I've watched every Viking's game
and the key to beating them is to win the battle at the line of scrimmage.
It doesn’t matter what type of coverage you present or man/zone, Favre has seen it all, he’s as close to Manning as you can be in terms of ability to read defenses and change the play at the line to take advantage of the situation. That alone is what makes Brett so dangerous.
Now most teams who’ve played MN this year choose to prevent Peterson as the poison. Now Peterson’s ability hasn’t gotten worse, it’s the offensive run blocking that’s taken a step back this season. I don’t know what it is, I’m guessing it’s the injuries suffered by McKinnie (LT), Hutch (LG), and Loadhoalt (RT) as well as a 1st year starting Center in Sullivan (long time pro-bowl Matt Birk left for Balt). But with 8 in the box on 98% of the plays (peterson’s words), it’s hard to be effective in the run game when the blocking is average at best.
You do not want single coverage on any receivers. Favre can see this and he’ll throw it anyway. Look at Sidney Rice’s game vs the cowboys, he was covered 2 of the times as well as you can single cover a receiver, but he makes the plays, and favre will fit it in somehow.
The reasons we lost to Arizona and Carolina was they dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. We couldn’t run, we couldn’t pass block, there was nothing. Look at Romo’s game vs the Vikes, Romo couldn’t do anything. On the Defensive side, Vikings have ZERO penetration and put zero pressure on Warner or a young QB Matt Moore and they ate us for breakfast. That’s the key to most games, but it’s especially true for this Vikings team because there’s too much talent on the field.
Fortunately for me being a Vikings fan, the D line had 6 sacks vs romo and is arguably the most talented in the league, and the O line seems to have benefited vastly from the extra rest from the bye week and found ways to shut down D Ware and Spencer. Hope that continues, but I think this will be a good game. Brees is dangerous and you have so many good receivers and runningbacks to account for. If we can’t get to Brees it’ll be a long day.
the only way you beat an elite qb like favre or brees is to hit them. you cant defend a perfect pass. in any game vikes or saints if the qb has time in the pocket its gonna be ugly for the defense. both defenses sunday have the same goal = get to the qb.
easier said than done
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by knucklesmalone on Jan 19, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong but that theory doesn't work with Brees.
As much because he plays you as the o-line is good. If you give him time, you’re, of course, dead. If you add people to the rush, he’ll nail you for it. So, yes, if the front four can do it all on their own, that could be a headache.
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gdub has been great at game planning
the saints for the most part have been very good at stopping any team’s no. 1 threat. they do a great job of making sure the opposing offense’s gameplan is largely ineffective by going after their play makers. they’ll let some of the smaller, lesser known players look pretty good, but in the end, it’s not enough for the opposing offense to match brees and co point for point.
by nanvinnie on Jan 19, 2010 11:57 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Their running game
If we take that away i like our chances with your recievers verses our DB’s
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure there is one
Seriously, in any given game it could be AD, Rice, Harvin, or even Chester Taylor. Lately it has been Rice, but early in the season it was Harvin, and during early and mid-season especially there were flashes of dominating brilliance from AD.
I agree though, that throughout Shiancoe has been the consistent #1 producer in the red zone (along with AD when the yardage gets short)
good point
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
I haven’t seen a #1 producer on this team except for Favre. What’s bad for the Saints is the lack of an ELITE pass rusher. Saints have to bring Blitz packages to get pressure, and Favre eats blitzs for breakfast. The Cardinals and Panthers were able to shut down favre with 4 pass rushers (See Julius Peppers) which is why he couldn’t throw the ball.
Here’s hoping the same thing happens to Brees this weekend.
Actually we're the same way about taking away your main receiver
problem is like us you have a lot of receivers to choose from. I think Brees is the only QB who’s passed it around more than Favre has.
Awesome analysis! rec'd
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Take away Peterson first and foremost
The reason Peterson’s average is down is because teams know they have to neutralize him to have a chance. He can take over a game. The man is due a big game and our run D is our weakest link.
The best case scenario for the Saints is to stuff the run early and get a lead (I know, easier said than done). With an early lead established, the Vikings will abandon the run, and Farve has a tendency to press and call his own number when he gets behind. When Farve presses, he makes mistakes. Pin our ears back and go after his old ass and he’ll deliver a gift right into Sharper’s hands. I like our chances with our starting DBs in coverage. With a lead, play balanced, ball control offense and keep our heel on their throat for 60 min.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 12:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
BOOM! rec'd!
I hope that’s how it plays out.
"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams
by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 19, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
So same strategy as all the other teams. Sharper also has a knack for being in a trail position as a receiver crosses the goal line – just sayin.
It hasn't gotten as much air time...
but Sharper has been looking forward to this as much as Brett. He’ll bring his A game.
He didn't bring his B game the other times
and I’ve seen Narcissus on the tube. Maybe he’ll get one, but I’d say odds are against it.
Yeah, thanks for giving up on Sharper
also has a knack for crossing the opponents goal line with a pick-6
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, thanks for giving up on Favre
The whole world knows Narcissus’ dance when he celebrates. Like I said, he trash talked about doing it before and went home without flashing his capped teeth and talking about himself.
We didn't give up on Farve
We’re good at QB, thanks
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Now wait a minute. You have Brett "me,me,me" Farve and you're calling Sharper Narcissus?
I don’t get it
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Brett is team, team, team. Sharper loves Sharper. How much time during a day do you think he spends staring into a mirror? His Packers teammates used to make fun of him for doing it so much.
Brett is team, team, team.
You are sadly mistaken, sir. Unless you’re referring to Team Favre.
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actually he's more correct than people think
Most people just listen to the national media, which is pretty dumb as we all know they are straight up idiots. I as a person who really did hate Favre before this season (It hurts me to say I’m wrong about this stuff) will state he has been a complete team player this year. The way the Vikings have come around him is incredible, and I don’t think you can inspire that kind of loyalty from people when you care more about yourself than the team. Remember the media has absolutely no reason to tell the truth about someone, they have every reason to try and get more viewers.
Salty how old are you?
Tell me you don’t fall for Brett’s aw-shucks carefully crafted public persona. That schtick has been debunked a long time ago. Were you a Greenbay fan before you were a Viking fan or something?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen that side of Sharper because he is new to our team
all I’ve seen is good leadership and production on the football field. You may be right about his personality. But then again, he doesn’t make every attempt to make people think he is any different than what he is.
I don’t think he is on the same level of fame as Favre and he didn’t insist on only being traded to his former teams rival so I don’t think they are good comparisons.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
i'll take your word for it, Stujo4
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
don't stare at them too long, retina damage

Bank job in the city
Robin Hood and William Tell and Ivanhoe and Lancelot, they don't envy me.
You do remember that Sharper played for Greenbay before he went to the Vikes right?
Just thought I’d pop that out there. So he has done exactly what Favre did he just wasn’t screwed over by the ownership of the Pack. I would go into this but if you want to hear more about that just go to acme packing and mention the Favre debacle. You’ll have about 50/50 on wether it was his fault or the managements. I bet they have much more info on it than you do.
I'm quite familiar with both situations
Sharper was very similar to Favre in regards to what went down. Sharper wanted to stay, but Packers wanted to “move on” to go with more youth or something, and Packers just plain released him. There was interest from many teams, but he made clear Vikings were his first choice, he signed with them less than 48 hours later, and never even met with the other teams that called his agent.
Ironically what went down with Sharper (and more relevantly Longwell, also dumped by Packers and then quickly signed as a free agent by Vikings in 2005) was perhaps the start of things souring between Favre and Packers. Not because of Sharper leaving per se, but because it was one of the first moves that showed the Packers were thinking in terms of “rebuilding” mode, jettisoning expensive veteran contracts and replacing them via draft (Packers have been the youngest team in NFL a few years running now). It came to a head when Packer GM Ted Thompson would not give Oakland a 4th round pick for Randy Moss in spring 2007, despite Favre’s intense lobbying with them, and despite the fact Moss had always made it clear he’d love to play with Favre. Favre, naively thinking the deal would be done, had actually even been training heavily in the offseason, the first time in a long time, looking forward to the Packers being a power again with Moss. When packers let that chance slip between their fingers, Favre began putting two and two together and realized the Packers were not trying to “win now” any more, and probably wouldn’t until after he retired (the way that 2007 season worked out, in hindsight this was a very bad miscalculation by Thompson, one or two key FAs might’ve put the Packers in the Superbowl. They took the NFC championship to OT after all, hard to get any closer than that).
When Moss was again available after the 2007 season — Patriots were dragging their feet about resigning him, and new was that Moss was getting fed up — Favre lobbied the Packers FO again, but they did nothing. Even though Favre felt he had finally proven in 2007 that the team (with him as QB) was just a player or two short of making the Superbowl, and so it was worth doing. Moss finally signed a new contract with the Patriots the afternoon of March 4, 2008. Only a couple hours, without warning, Fave hastily announced his unexpected “retirement” because he was “mentally tired” via a middle-of-the-night voicemail left at ESPN. H e did not even notify the Packers first. Many
Everyone knows the rest — although they may not know that part of the reason Favre was talking publicly about wanting to go to Vikings even in 2008 was because there were so many ex Packers there (two of them, Longwell and Bevell, the best friends he had on the team five years ago). Because Thompson was going “youth first” with the Packers, Favre probably literally felt he had as much camaraderie with the Vikings as the Packers, even while he was still playing with the Packers
Oh yes, to continue the thought in my last paragraph, building on the theme from the two before: Vikings also had shown Favre they were playing to win now, with all the FA signings they’d done in the previous couple years — exactly what Favre wanted in Green Bay, but they would not do (can you believe the Packers actually started 2007 about $20m (!) under the salary cap?)
interesting stuff. thanks puddn
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
you're welcome
The thing a lot of people further from the situation (just seeing the headlines and ESPN reports in 2008) don’t realize was that this conflict was building for years. Always happy to give some context.
Basically, Favre plays all out to win, and win now, and gets irritated when he doesn’t think the rest of his organization is doing the same. This trait is what soured things between Packers front office and him, and is also what has endeared him to most (if not all) Vikings fans over the course of this season. Unlike Packers going into 2007, Vikings in 2009 have been playing to win now.
As Saints fans we don't care about Sharper's part in the GB-Vikes rivalry
He is playing for us now.
I was originally asking how that rivalry impacted VIKINGS fans in the context of Favre. You gave me a straight answer and I appreciate it.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
You started it.
I’ve been relatively quiet about Favre, but you’ve pushed my buttons. Brett hasn’t given a rat’s ass about anything other than his “legacy” since several years prior to leaving Green Bay. He screwed that team with his repeated “I think I might retire, but I’m not sure so don’t make any alternative plans until I get back with you” for three years straight.. Green Bay rightfully got tired of him leaving them in limbo while he tried to make up his mind. He was more concerned with “me, me, me” than he was the future of his beloved Packers or the fans who absolutely worshipped him.
I even think Brett milked playing on the day of his father’s death for every bit of publicity he could squeez out of it. I don’t know if it’s totally accurate or not but I’ve heard that many people who were close to the family say they had somewhat of an estranged relationship to begin with. Regardless, he played it like a “B” actor. I know he didn’t speak at the funeral but he certainly didn’t miss an opportunity to give one of his famous teary eyed speeches about how difficult it had been for him anytime there was a microphone and national audience in front of him.
You mentioned earlier that “every press conference he’s given all year” indicates that he’s about team…… how about the one where he made it a point to let everyone know that Chilly wanted to take him out of the game but that he told him he would have no part of it. I believe it was the Carolina game when they had their “antimated” coversation on the sidelines. Childress correctly had little to say about it during the post game interview, but Brett needed to make sure, in his down home way, that everyone knew what they had been talking about and who was really in charge.
Going to the Jets was one thing. Going to the Vikings was Brett’s ultimate revenge back at Packer management. Going to the Vikings and managing to avoid that nasty preseason camp was priceless. The day that Childress picked him up at the airport, he showed himself to be nothing more than a lacky who would give Farve whatever concessions were necessary for him to become a Viking.
He has used his good old boy persona to carefully craft and write his on legend for years now. The media eats it up. A lot, but certainly not all, Viking fans have totally bought into it. But a lot of the rest of us have had enough Brett Farve to last a lifetime.
When he leaves the Vikings, you’ll be left with a team that has no viable QB options and a mediocre coach with a new contract that no longer has any credibility with his team because Mr. Farve stripped him of that before departing. He cares about the “team” in the sense that he’s taken leadership of it from the coach and assumed that role. It feeds his ego.
If you feel it’s all worth it if he brings a Lombardi Trophy to the Vikings, that’s fine. But if you think that Farve is doing this for anything other than his own legend, you’re naive.
He cares about the “team” so long as it furthers his own self interest.
After that, he’ll go back home and write his second biography of his post retirement years, part I and II.
PS – A lot of the members of CSC like Farve. That’s their opinion. This is mine.
I'm glad you have an opinion
they are much like !!! holes every one has em and every one of them stinks compared to yours.
Good luck
It's not like any of us haven't heard this crap before
Some of us a thousand times.
Go ahead and think that if you want. It really doesn’t matter anymore to anyone who’s followed this. Minds are made up on both sides, clearly no new facts (see my post above) will change your mind. That’s just fine.
I agree that opinons are like A holes.
And I don’t think my is any better than anyone elses. Although I am very hygenic so I suspect my a-hole does stink less than many.
puddnhead is correct in the fact that Farve is a polarizing figure. So I’m sure you have “heard this crap a thousand times before”. Mr. Farve elected, quite deliberately, to place himself in this position. As a result, he is to individual players what the Cowboys are to teams – most fans either love him or hate him.
I don’t have any hatred for any team, per se, as I personally think thats kind of silly. I do have opinions about individuals associated with various teams. As a fan, had I been forced to hear about Sharper non-stop for the past three years, I might have a stronger opinion of him as an individual. I’m sure I’d be tired of seeing him. I doubt anyone could name a player in the history of the NFL that has intentionally sought the spotlight and microphone over as long a period of time as Farve.
Most entertainers, politicians are anyone else in a high profile position realize that you need to balance publicity with the avoidance of risking media over-kill. It plays a key role as to why Farve is polarizing, yet almost every football fan has nothing but respect for Kurt Warner.
Getting back to opinions. Going back to 1:54 PM yesterday, had “Salty” not given his unsolicited opinon critizing Shaper, I would have kept my opinion to myself. Up till then, my biggest problem with Brett had more to do with Sears and Wrangler. How was I going to boycott products that I’d never bought to begin with?
Good luck.
I've never, ever had a problem with arrogance if it can be backed up
Both Favre and Sharper can back it up. Actually, I see similarities between the two.
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
His production this year is a biproduct of you playing with leads all year
We were a different team when he was with us. We ran the abll and played close games. Never forced teams to throw all the time. His value is greater with you than us…. Plus he is a locker room “love me guy” and that’s not what we want.
by PurpleJesus on Jan 19, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
there can only be one 'love me guy' in Minnesota
and his name is favre
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Your opinion, of course....
Seems the guys who play with him would never say that. Even all the old Packers are great friends with him and congratulated him after both wins over the Packers.
Well that sounded much harsher than I meant it to...
Hard to get a voice tone across when your typing something.
Our CB's are healthy, and Sharper will be free to roam.
The ONLY time he was ever in coverage was when we had 3+ CB’s out.
TG they’re healthy!!
NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!
I don't know about other teams strategy
I’m talking about playing to the Saints strengths. If it coincides what other teams have tried to do, then thats just coincidence.
I know a few more things, too.
1. The Vikes won’t be running up the score this week.
2. The dome is gonna be so loud it’ll rattle Favres dentures out of his mouth.
3. I hope the old man watched the film of Warner getting ‘blocked’ after his pick. When Brett throws one (and we all know he will) he might just want to lay on the ground and take cover before he gets forced into retirement.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Be honest with me for a minute, Salty. Let's put our team loyalties aside...
Do you REALLY like Brett Favre? I mean he’s only been with your team one season.
If I were a Viking fan (and clearly I’m not), I would view Brett Favre as a necessary evil. You don’t like the frickin’ primadonna, but you had to have him because your window of opportunity for a SB was closing and your team could only go so far without a proven QB. Kind of like when Deion Sanders played for the 49ers—selfish, arrogant, narrcissist, but hell of a football player. He’s completely in it for himself and could care less about the vikings or their fans. You’re happy things went his way (because when they don’t he’ll destroy his team), but you shouldn’t feel the need to slobber all over his jock.
My humble, football fan opinion.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm looking forward to this answer.
While good, Favre’s approach is awfully leach-like.
by TonyChachere on Jan 19, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'll go with leech, actually.
Although, he might have some similarities to Mike Leach.
by TonyChachere on Jan 19, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Hey! I use you all the time... Who Dat !!
Beer is proof that God wants us to be happy" Benjamin Franklin
by CaddoCoonass on Jan 19, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Let's be serious
Given the childish banter about “giving up” on players I doubt you know what the meaning of prima donna is or how the term orginated. The terms you use are the exact opposite of what his teammates say about him. When whiny Slacker fans are dimwit media talking heads use them, they usually support them with evidence like “they know” its true.
Basically what you’ve squeezed out is shit. But hey, all the people who know him and play with him are completely wrong and you’ve somehow seen something they haven’t. Sure.
by Salty on Jan 19, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
PJ, I take it from your name and avatar you are a brett fan
would you like to elaborate?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Are you talking about the Jets players?
To a man they called him a prima donna. Was it his own private dressing area that built team chemistry in Greenbay? Or was him holding greenbay and minnesota hostage in the offseason with his retirement waffling? You are kidding yourself if you think Brett Favre cares about anything other than Brett Favre. But if he wins you a SB who cares why he came back, right?
For the record, I only joined in your childish banter following ‘bringing his B game’ etc. It was just some good natured smack talk. I never personally attacked you by questioning your vocabulary or intelligence (no need to apologize I can take it).
I am STILL waiting for JUST ONE Vikings fan to honestly tell me what they truly think about Brett Favre. I’m being serious. It’s not a baited question. I will respect your answer.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
I have tried in previous posts.
I will try one more time and this will probably be it.
I did not like Brett Favre before this season. Not becasue I thought he was a jerk personally but because he’d beaten Minnesota in so many close games in teh past that it set my teeth on edge. I’m saying this so you can understand me a biit on this subject and so that I can honestly say I woud have been much like you last season.
From what I have pieced together from a multitude of Pack fans and somem personal research on the matter, it looks like the Green Bay situation is to much of a quagmire for me to totally understand. going to the Jets as I have understood was not what Favre wanted, I believe he wanted to go to Tampa at first as I said this was two years ago, and was a mess when it was actually happening, Jets players had nothing bad to say about Favre until he got injured and started throwing interceptions.
When he came to the Vikes we all compltely expected there to be issues. A lot of the team at that time thought Childress was screwing TJ over hard. This simply never appeared, and I can only look to one source as why it didn’t. Favre simply pulled the team together around him. I don’t think selfish prima donnas can do that. I have experience in multiple team environemtns and I can say from experience that most teams wont’ come around a man who only thinks of himself no matter the charisma.
As the year has progressed he has mentored Harvin, brought Rice’s skill level up to new heights and made Shiancoe into a top notch TE. The offense loves and respects him. Even the defensive captains respect the guy. Looking at press clips he’s soft spoken and not given to bragging. The clippings that show him as a prima donna very rarely have anything backing them up from Favre, mostly they are talking heads trying to stick their noses up his brown eye.
Anyway man I hope to open your eyes to a different possiblity, if it doesn’t that’s on you.
Good Game mate.
Thank you, Grime
I respect your opinion. I’m sure Vikings fans are tired of this subject. Remember, though, it is new to us Saints fans. Appreciate your insight.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Take your time and get your thoughts together, Salty
I still want an answer from you.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Vikings never abandon the run
Hard to find a game they haven’t had 100 yards total rushing in…
by PurpleJesus on Jan 19, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
well, one game comes to mind
2008 Week 5 Minn @ New Orleans: Vikings, 44 yards rushing
Look out Mama, there's a white boat comin' up the river.
44 yards. The bar has been set.
Bank job in the city
Robin Hood and William Tell and Ivanhoe and Lancelot, they don't envy me.
the hard truth
The career of your purple judas ends on Sunday.
Bank job in the city
Robin Hood and William Tell and Ivanhoe and Lancelot, they don't envy me.
he's going to upstage the Pro Bowl by announcing his retirement?
That is so Farve.
Bank job in the city
Robin Hood and William Tell and Ivanhoe and Lancelot, they don't envy me.
lol
I’m not sure which you are revealing here: that you are clueless what’s happenining in the NFL the next 3 weeks, or that you skipped remedial math :)
You know what, I'll take the over too... Saints still win though. :-)
NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!
not that hard
2009
wk 4 Green Bay
wk 7 Pittsburgh
wk 13 Arizona
wk 15 Carolina
Look out Mama, there's a white boat comin' up the river.
actually
the largest difference this year is we use the pass to try and set up the run. Last year it was the opposite. Either way, we still try to run 30 times a game whether we get the yards or not is a different issue.
not relevant
44 yards on the Superdome artificial turf against the 2008 Saints defense. You in a heap a trouble, boy.
Bank job in the city
Robin Hood and William Tell and Ivanhoe and Lancelot, they don't envy me.
I agree except for
Favre making mistakes. It’s not Favre making bad decisions or throwing interceptions that has really occured at ALL this season. The most INTs he had in a game was 2 and they weren’t necessarily bad decisions. I do agree that stopping peterson has to be the #1 priority, because if a team is able to run the ball, it keeps the saints offense off the field and eats up clock, as well as gives the vikings’ defense more rest. However the passing game is more one dimensional and the saints have a better chance of defending it and causing big plays from that really good secondary.
Unfortunately for the Saints, their Run D will be truly tested this weekend, and if they can’t get to Favre quick enough, he has enough playmakers on offense to make the Saints pay during the blitz.
The Vikings have every reason to come out looking to establish the run. Keeping the number one offense in football off the field, calming their own early game jitters playing in front of a hostile crowd, taking advantage of a suspect front seven (see Hightower’s gallop), possibly taking an early lead and, above all else, getting their biggest offensive advantage (individually speaking) involved while they’re able to. If you’re Gregg Williams, Peterson absolutely has to be first priority. It doesn’t really matter how the Vikings’ rushing offense stacks up against the Saints’ rushing offense, or any other offense in the league, for that matter. They’re facing the Saints’ defense, a unit that has struggled against the run for much of the season. That’s what they’re going to be looking to take advantage of. That’s what you’re going to have to be able to stop, in order to win this game.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Jan 19, 2010 1:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ask me who the Vikings should be looking to stop first and foremost out of Drew Brees and Pierre Thomas and you’ll see that I’m both well aware of that and non-hypocritical.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
The advantage for Vikes IMHO
Is that we can BOTH crush the run AND get to the QB with just 4 lineman. Our LBs often react soley upon what their assignment is up to. If they stay in to protect, the LBs shoot for the QB. If the assignment looks to block, our LBs crash the run. The MN D is all about the d-line. If they are going, its very hard to move the ball.
by Jepp The Viking on Jan 19, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
How many times did y'all get to warner?
Cutler?
Matt Moore!
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
pretty effective, too
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
All three games were on grass
…what are we playing on this week? Oh yeah, you might want to chekc our record on that stuff.
by PurpleJesus on Jan 19, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
damn, foiled again!
If only we could get some grass to play on.
I haven’t checked my record, but I believe those games were all on the road, too.
We could go back and forth with mickey mouse stats all day
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
12-0
on turf is not Mickey Mouse. Going to be a great game. You guys have a great team and a GREAT QB. I am just hoping that we don’t try and play catch up all day. Good luck. I hope it is a classic.
You know, I'm amazed. Coach Payton would LOVE you Vikings fans.
You don’t take the cheese under any conditions. Wow! Must be the rubbing shoulders the cheese team for so long. Do you think they could have been named the Green Bay Cheese? Of course, that brings very sick images of Green Cheese way too quickly. Is it the Packers because they used to pack cheese? You guys, maybe especially the Saints fans, ought to check the fanshot I just posted. It seems that, even if you go to their home town and razz them, they won’t take the cheese. THAT’s stand up!
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
Interesting
If you analyze that…. 3-0 on the road on turf (oh my!) and 1-1 on grass at warm temps. 0-3 under 40 degrees on grass…. Where does this game fit?
...in the ROCKIN'EST dome you've ever played in.
(yours doesn’t count b/c they weren’t yelling when you offense was on the field)
NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!
All three games were on even numbered dates
…what date are we playing on this week? Oh yeah, you might want to check your record on that stuff.
lmao
I get it, but … what’s funnier, I did look at what date we are playing the game on ;)
you aren’t the CSC guy who thinks the prowl bowl is in 3 1/2 weeks are you?
Well here's my take on that.
We hit breese with a semi before the game, we pay someone off and don’t worry because after he kills Brees there is no way he’s leaving NO alive. Once he’s out It hink we can handle Pierre : )
See it’s easy when your a sociopath!
Apperntly you have not seen Mark Brunell lol
Or maybe you have and that could be a plan
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I was trying to be funny
If we had to put him in it would be are worst nightmare
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
The Cards wern't far behind in total scoring either.
but, our DEfence scores a bunch too. :-)
NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!
Agree, Vikes must establish the run
but don’t be surprised if they come out of the gate throwing. If the box is overstacked, Favre will recognize single coverages and that’s where Rice was able to burn the Cowboys.
I think it will be a great game, but I don’t see the Saints Defense being good enough to stop the Vikings, and the Viking’s D is MUCH better overall than the Saints.
+1 CP
TOP is very important to any high scoring team. You keep the offense off the field, and guess what?? They can’t score!!!! DUH!!!! We plug and chug our way to the end zone, score and then our rested defense has an opportunity to try to stop the other offense. If we allow them to score early, then we have our high powered offense back on the field to plug and chug away, chipping at their pass rushers and grinding the defense down. We have several weapons on offense that we can keep fresh, how fresh can the defense stay?? If we allow Minn to score quickly, and we answer that score with a long drawn out drive of our own, we will eventually wear down the defense and then in the 4th, we do what we do best. Score fast and score often against a tired defense.
Good analysis MtnExile
insighthful comments by all. For whatever reasons, AP hasn’t had a 100 yd. rushing game since mid-season. On the one hand this is a good sign for the Saints. On the other, as pointed out above, it could just mean he’s overdue for a monster game (ala Reggie Bush). However, I think the biggest factor in this game defensively will be Super Dome field advantage. All four of the Vikings losses came on the road. If the game were in their dome, I’d be much more apprehensive of this game. But it’s not and that’s definately a good thing..
I'd like to point out
That while AD might be rushing slightly less effectively this year, he still got his 1400 yards. What is more impressive is that he has dramatically increased his passing threat. You now have to account for him EVERY play, including passing situations. I can’t tell you how many times he’s picked up a dump off and taken it 10-15 yards…
by Jepp The Viking on Jan 19, 2010 1:24 PM CST reply actions
Peterson's most productive games as a receiver
have come in losses: 4 receptions for 60 yards against Pittsburgh; 6 for 46 against Arizona; 3 for 73 against Carolina. I suspect he was utilized so much as an underneath receiver because nothing else was working well enough for Favre.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
Was the question Favre vs Peterson, or Favre vs Peterson as a rusher?
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
I don't think it is fair to seperate the two
As AP could do either depending on the play call and opposing D.
by Jepp The Viking on Jan 19, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
And I would hope the Saints don’t separate the two. As bad as the Saints run defense has been at times, their outside containment in general has been even more atrocious. I actually think both teams could have considerable success on screens, considering the quickness of our backs, as well as the speed of our vertical game opening up those outer lanes.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Harvin out of the Wildcat concerns me, too. We did a pretty good job containing the Wildcat against Miami from a per carry standpoint, but they did score off it twice and it seemed to open up the conventional running game, with Ricky Williams having a big game on the ground. That all added up to a sizeable lead that we were thankfully able to overcome. Then again, that game was on the road, so it’s not like we lost our crowd noise advantage with the deficit. And Chad Henne isn’t exactly Brett Favre. We’re going to need to keep the heat on, both physically and audibly, throughout.
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Every RB that has played with Favre
has gotten a lot of catches. Its not new or correlated with wins, losses or opponents. Yeah, if Rice has a good look one on one, he’ll get the ball, but every game he’s played in, there are dump offs to RBs, often to move the chains.
Nothing against ya Drew but why are you attacking Salty?
Yeah he has a bit of a man crush but then so do most of you with Brees. Just because he’s happy and proud of the Vikes actaulyl having a good QB doesn’t seem like a good enough reason to take pot shots at his character.
Now me with my a-hole comments and general surliness feel free.
Salty opened the door to these exchanges
I was just trying to inject some humor; not taking pot shots at his character. Certainly not implying he’s gay….. “not that there’s anything wrong with that”, as Seinfeld once noted.
Hmmm, there was a movie...
Oh yeah, “You Stupid Man”. Yeah, yeah, not very good EXCEPT it had Milla in it!!! And, that’s all it takes.
BOOM.
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
His per touch average is up from last season. The primary reason his rushing yardage is down is the same reason Brees’s passing numbers are down … better balance on offense. The Vikings have a game-changing QB to contend with for the first time since Daunte Culpepper. That’s naturally going to affect the cumulative totals of your running back(s).
"I was not on the boat in question." -Darren Sharper
Not to mention that the game changing QB is the one calling the plays
Heaven forbid someone other than Brett should get credit for a win.
Put Harvin in the backfield
and it causes even more problems as they can go different directions and you have to account for BOTH.
Harvin has shown he’s just as effective as a runner out of the backfield. Don’t be surprised if you see some more plays with AP and Harvin in the backfield or in wildcat.
not gonna lie
Harvin scares me
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
Possible surprises
I think both sets of fans are forgetting a couple of people. I haven’t heard either mentioned so far at all, really. For the Vikes, Berrian, and for the Saints, Meachem. As has been stated a couple of times here in the comments, there are only so many defenders on the field. I kind of expect both players to have a couple big or at least meaningful plays. Both can quickly get behind a defense in single coverage if a blitz gets picked up.
Odd that we're over looking Berrian
when he was our number one receiver for most of the season. I guess that’s a good problem to have when your #1 receiver is now the fourth look.
Doesnt he drop alot of passes
I have kind of equated him to Devery Henderson of old very fast but drops alot of balls
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 19, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Berrian has had injury
to his hamstring so he hasn’t been as effective this season. He is fast but he hasn’t been much of a “big play” factor this season.
going to be alot of debate on this game. either way, i think the NFC brings home the superbowl.
I think it’ll be the Saints though of course. I’m going to just say that our starting two corners are lights out, limiting your #1 and #2 threats to mediocre gains when they do catch the ball and usually not alot of catches. After that, it’s gay and then Jenkins. Leaky there and i think that’s where the Vikings offense has an advantage. Also, our run D has been pourous at points. Looking forward to a great game!!
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
I'd agree, but from a matchup standpoint...
I’d be rooting for a Colts win if I were a Saints fan. It’s been mentioned before in this thread that the achilles heel of the Saints is stopping the run, and the ground game is what the Jets excel at (from a YPG standpoint they are first in the league).
Also, the pass defense on the Jets is sick, more than 30 YPG less than the second place team.
As a Vikings fan however, I’d feel much more comfortable matching up against the Jets than I would against Manning. Plus I feel the Vikes could deflate their ground game and force Sanchez to beat them.
We did pretty good against them earlier in the year.
(I’m actually torn on who I’d like, so I’m just thinking out loud here.)
With the JETS, if you can stop the run OR get a big lead, you’re left with Mark Sanchez trying to throw… BIG advantage Saints.
With Payton, you know what you’re getting, and it’s a tough ‘row to hoe’.
Off the top of my head, I’d say we want to Jets… but again, that’s just my initial thoughts.
NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!
And that seems to be the way to beat Favre: pressure = turnovers. Against Arizona, he threw two interceptions. Against Pittsburgh, he threw an interception and lost a fumble—and both resulted immediately in Steeler scores. Against Carolina, he threw only one interception, but had statistically his second-worst performance of the year.
Interesting analysis. I feel I should tell you, though, that actually the worst pressure Favre had was inthe first few weeks of the season, when he had no picks, and second that the interception and fumble at Pittsburgh had nothing at all to do with pressure. The interception was due to a deflection off of Chester Taylor’s hands … just one of those things that happen, not something manufactured by Steeler pressure.
At Carolina, although Favre was definitely harassed incessantly by Peppers, and indeed ti was probably one of his worst games of the year — still that was not why the Vikings lost. There were lots of dropped passes & some poor tackling. And it really was not the pressure that caused Favre to throw the pick — it was Favre doing waht favre does, throwing the ball up when that’s teh only option left in a game they would lose otherwise. Look up the box score: that pick came on a no-huddle play in the final two minutes, with Carolina up by two scores.
So while I have no doubt that pressuring Favre will certainly be a key to the Saints winning the game, I think if the plan is that this is gonna magically make him start throwing picks, you need to brush up. that is not what the 2009-2010 edition of Brett Favre has been doing. Not at all. It’s weird, I know, but it’s true.
By the way
For what it’s worth, I think both teams have a great shot at this game. I think the Vikings (my team) may have a slight edge, but 1) I don’t know enough about the Saints to feel confident in that, 2) that slight advantage may be more than compensated for by home field advantage, and 3) the “margin of error” on that advantage is probably smaller than the deviation there will be on how well your guys or our guys are to play Sunday. Ergo, it could go either way.
I’ve read a big chunk of your game thread on our game against the Cowboys, and a lot of you seem to be happy that you are facing us instead of the Cowboys. Even though I think we proved pretty decisively we are a better team than them. I’m not gonna take any disrespect from that though, I understand where you are coming from. I think you probably feel the same way about the Cowboys as we feel about the Cardinals, we have a similar history here. Although I think (and thought before Saturday) that the Saints are a better team than the Cardinals, still I was nervous about facing them, after the beat down they gave us a couple months ago. I think we could have beaten them in a rematch, especially if we were at home this time, and with their injuries … but still, there is that memory, and that doubt. So I can understand the relief of many of you that you don’t have to take on Cowboys again.
In short, I am expecting a great, and close game, and I know you guys have a great shot at beating us, and if you do, it will probably be a deserving win. I hope you feel the same about us. I think these are two great teams, and with luck we will have a classic game on Sunday that people will talk about for a long time, no mater who wins, no matter if my team loses.
In “shorter,” I am not going to act like a Cowboys fan ;)
Should be a classic
as long as the refs don’t blow the calls like the last time we played y’all in prime time.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
The Pittsburgh interception
Correct me if I’m wrong…what I remember of that is that Favre was under heavy pressure and dumped the ball to Taylor, who was probably his last option, didn’t seem to be expecting it, and wasn’t really open. When it bounced off his hands, there was a Steeler player just waiting to snatch it up.
I think Favre tends to get frustrated and make bad decisions. The pass to Taylor was a bad decision. The interception late in Carolina was a bad decision. One was a game-changer, one was not…but it seems to me they’re both symptomatic of the same ailment. If success doesn’t come easy to Favre, he gets impatient and begins to push.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
The Taylor interception was not Favres fault
Just (unusual) butter fingers by Taylor and some bad luck with the bounce.
by EasternVike on Jan 19, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
It's been the story line all year...
albeit with slightly different scenarios each week/month/game.
First it was the washed up Brett Favre was just going to be a game manager and let AP carry the load.
Next it was that Brett was going to fade down the stretch.
Then it was Brett was going to be dominated by DeMarcus Ware and the Vikings would have an early exit from the playoffs.
And so on…
In reality though… Brett Favre hasn’t been the main reason for any of the Vikings losses. In our losses it has been the Vikings defense and/or the O-Line that has checked out. If the Saints win this game it will likely be the result of a poor Vikings defensive performance rather than a poor perfomance by Brett Favre.
by EasternVike on Jan 19, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget the classic Packer fan line
“He’ll return to the old 5 INT Brett EVENTUALLY”
P.S. It’s January, old Brett is running out of time if he wants to show up this season.
The Vikings prayer
OUR FAVRE, WHO ART IN MINNESOTA.
HALLOWED BY THY GAME.
THY BLITZ MAY COME,
THY SCREEN PASS WILL BE DONE.
ON TURF OR GRASS AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.
GIVE US THIS DAY OUR POINT SPREAD,
AND FORGIVE US OUR FUMBLES,
AS WE DO NOT FORGIVE THOSE WHO FUMBLE AGAINST US.
LEAD US NOT TO INTERCEPTIONS,
BUT DELIVER US A TOUCHDOWN.
FOR THINE IS THE FUTURE AND POWER OF VIKINGS FOOTBALL.
FOREVER AND EVER,
OR UNTIL YOU RETIRE.AGAIN
by PalisadeKid on Jan 19, 2010 4:08 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
you need to post that in Gris Gris man's thread when he posts his spell
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't this kinda like
…Satan worship? I mean, come on…the guy DID play for sixteen seasons for the Packers. Suddenly you’re worshipping him?
That’s worse than if we signed Michael Vick. Which some around here would like. And which makes my skin crawl.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
by MtnExile on Jan 19, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I know M-E. How can you go from gagging on all the Farve mania for 16 years to now endorsing it?
Are Viking fans so fickle? Are their memories that short? At minimum, their pride must be a very bitter pill to swallow.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Now that's really a low blow there, Salty.
I asked you how you felt about Brett on another thread. I really hoped you would answer me. I am truly wondering about the Viking perspective. Maybe y’all have talked about the Favre topic ad nauseum on your site earlier this year. But for us Saints fans, it is something we are curious about.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
You want to know how we feel?
We hate what Favre did for the Packers.
We love what Favre is doing for us.
by EasternVike on Jan 19, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
If Favre brings a SB win to the Vikings
You can crown him King of TWO STATES instead of one
Hmm
If Favre brings a SB win to the Vikings, he may be forced to fully & finally abdicate that other throne …
I think it's a legitimate question
Seriously. No disrespect. Was it hard to do?
I’ve been asking myself: if I was in a viking fans shoes how would I feel about it? I guess my answer would be I’d be ok if it meant winning the superbowl. But it has to be bittersweet.
I like your team. I really do. I would cheer for them to win the SB if they beat us, if it wasn’t for Brett Favre. If I feel that way about him, I can’t help but wonder how a Vikings fan must feel. And would you change the way you feel if he laid one of his classic eggs this weekend and you don’t get to the Superbowl?
There is no right or wrong answer. I’m truly curious and will respect your answer.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
It would be like....
Montana going to the Saints after he left the 9ers
by Saintsfan75 on Jan 23, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Thank you EasternVike
Succinct. I can buy that.
Maybe it’s like yankees fans after they signed Clemmons. It’s even sweeter to win with Greenbay’s legend. A bonus eff you to greenbay. No doubt it is hard on GB’s fans.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Chilly's starting QB's (since he took over the team in 2006)
Super Bowl winner Brad Johnson
Tarvaris Jackson
Kelly Holcomb
Brooks Bollinger
Gus Frerotte
After suffering through all of that, he had to hire the gunslinger. The mercenary. The Pro. The…. ok, see above.
Look out Mama, there's a white boat comin' up the river.
It was I have stated it before
Read up some of my post this year and then read a post later on. It sucked but I was man enough to admit Favre was a good addition to this team. Unlike the Pack we don’t have a QB, we have a good team and no QB do you know how fustrating that is? At least in five years you’ll still have Brees. Not sure where this hate is coming from for Favre other than maybe there really is no hate, it’s just the game and people are trying to create a reason to dislike the Vikes so that they can root agasint them.
Remember loving your team doesn’t mean you have to hate the people you play against.
Saints to SB
Favre’s karma will bite him in the ass Sunday. You won’t see Brees tacking on a meaningless touchdown to pad his stats against a beaten team. It was the last hurrah of the Viking season and they knew. When the legend of this Saints team is passed down to the new generations, the two old farts they vanquished into retirement in the NFC playoffs will be just another part of the tale. Hell, Manning may decide on an acting career after Miami!
by PanheadCatahoula on Jan 19, 2010 5:26 PM CST reply actions
Ha! With all the commercials...
…I thought Manning WAS an actor who just happened to be good at football
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I was mistaken that only cowboy fans were bothered by that last TD...
and it was only a few of them at best. Even the head writer of BTB didn’t see an issue with it.
So I think that its quite humorous that a Saints fan has an issue with it.
Just cause the Cowgirls gave up after 55 minutes, doesn’t mean the Vikings need to.
by EasternVike on Jan 19, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
I think that TD was a bit unnecessary, but not uncalled for
What was COMPLETELY ridiculous was Brooking crying like a little B**** about it. This is football! Take it like a man!
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 19, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
The touchdown WAS called for
…because the Cowboys were still fighting. If there’s going to be a truce, both sides have to agree to it. If one side is still taking shots at you, you take a shot back. That’s all Minnesota did.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
I didn't say it wasn't called for, M-E
It was unecessary. The game was decided already whether the Cowboys were still fighting or not. The Vikes could of called the ol’ Aaron Brooks pass backwards play and the Cowboys would have still lost with less than 2 min and no timeouts. I think everybody agrees the TD was called for, it was the Cowboys. Bookings little temper-tantrum proved they deserved it.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 20, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
This post is getting god-awful long. I'm posting this one just to see if anyone gets to
the bottom any more.
Great job, ME.
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
I use the "Z" key to see all the new posts, so I'm here too.
NOLA transplant in DFW. I bleed Black & Gold. Saints go all the way... I BELIEVE!
Nnnnkay, I'll try that one out as soon as I figure it out.
No worries, I know what your’e talking about, just didn’t know that’s what it did.
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
I swear, every time this danged site goes quiet like it usually does about 8pm
I start worrying. Did Booby McRay tick off another cop? Did Shockey try to move a building….again? Well, and this week, did Brett have a heart attacck?
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
That's why!
I love it when something finally clicks. I’m thinking about that oh, so cool catch of Rice’s for the first touchdown. At a different point, when I was watching the game, I remember making the comment that Brett looked waaay too relieved or something about having made that score. And, someone else made the comment how, really, it was a horrible throw, if only the defender had happened to look around! Then, I’m reading Sharper’s interview about how he throws a rocket and most defenders are not used to that and can’t catch it and….bang, I don’t know, but somethow it hits. Duh! No wonder Brett looked so relieved, he realized it was a dangerous throw right away!
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
Z key
I do have to thank whoever it was that suggested the Z-key. The explanation of the z-key that comes up in that illtle window sucks. BUT, the key is GREAT! Omigod!!! That’s right. Be afraid, be very afraid: I MGIHT BE ABLE TO POST MORE!!!
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
Ah, Dan, Thanks. Duh! It was right above the post!
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dynasty - 2009 - ????
The most important Key will be
Who can run on must run situations. When the defense knows you have to run, and you can still get first downs. Thats the team that wins. Team who has the lead in the fourth quarter and can kill 6 min off the clock with some running. I see Saints spreading the williams boys in the first half, and then running on the tired front in the second half. Superbowl here we come.
First let me say
You can tell this site has an inordinate amount of thinkers and class acts compared to the usual places you see on the internet, but the postings I’m reading just scream that the prognosticators are completely insulated.
To suggest that the way to beat the Vikings is to ignore A.P. and go after Favre because A.P.s numbers are way down this year is just mind boggling. How could you not see the flaw in that throught process?
A.P.s numbers are way down because teams STILL make it their top priority to stop him, and we hear it every week, and we will likely see it again this week. If not, I feel badly for the fans because I’ms orry, if you couldn’t stop Tim Hightower, you don’t have a shot at A.P.
For all the great things your defense can do with turnovers, and especially Darren Sharper who we are very familiar with, you’re in for a significant world of hurt if A.P. gets into the secondary, because Sharper cannot tackle this man.
There’s just a whole lot of “Here’s how you become a millionaire” talk on here.. Stop the run, stop Brett Favre, stop the pass rush.. That’s like us saying "All we have to do is stop Drew Brees and not have any turnovers and we’ll win.
Please people.. show us some respect.. At any point you start predicting you’ll score 35-45 poitns, you ignore the fact that this defense has allowed 3 points in the playoffs so far against supposedly the hottest team. If we can hold the Cowboys to 3, I think we can manage to keep your team under 30.
I'm sorry,
how many rushing yards did the Cards have after that one big play? 101 yards? And of that 101 yards 70 of it was on one play? So we gave the Cards a 7 point gimmie so people would still be watching after the first quarter when the Saints scored on their first three possessions. To make the game a little bit interesting before we blew them out of the water. And the hottest team in the playoffs were the Chargers, if you believe the talking heads. And they got handed by a rookie QB with an awesome defense and awesome run game. People are STILL talking about how bad the Saints run D is. I’m serious, have you people really watched some of the games. Yeah Caddilac had his first break out game of the season, so what!!! Were we really even playing that game??
by Saintsfan75 on Jan 23, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions

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