The "Glorified Scrimmage": Bringing Matt Moore Back Down to Earth
Happy New Year to all the loyal and disloyal CSC contingent!
When the Saints travel to Carolina to face off against the Panthers Sunday we'll be able to enjoy our fifth preseason game of the season. This dressed rehearsal will be a meaningless pre-playoff game, otherwise known as the "glorified scrimmage". I assume several Saints will sit out for all or a portion of this game. Most of us are already aware of the announcement that Mark Brunell will start, and Drew Brees will not play. None of us will know the extent of the exact player rotation because Sean Payton will keep it close to the vest until kickoff and it's possibly going change on the fly based on the progression of the game. I'm not going to spend too much time speculating on who plays and who doesn't, because it's exactly that: speculation. What I will say is regardless of who plays, the Saints will be facing a young and inexperienced quarterback in Matt Moore that I think they can take advantage of and bring back down to earth.
I did say I wasn't going to spend too much time discussing who might play Sunday, which assumes I'll talk about it a bit... so here goes:You have 53 players on a roster, and you need to make 8 of them inactive on gameday. Based on injury status I think it's safe to assume that Usama Young and Pierre Thomas will both be held out, so that's 2 players you can count on being inactive. After that, you've got Jeremy Shockey, Sedrick Ellis, Jabari Greer, Lance Moore and David Thomas suffering from minor injuries that could have them held out as a precaution. That's another 5. And don't forget about Scott Shanle and Randall Gay who were both previously held out as the Saints were being careful with them post concussions. That's 9 players that could very easily miss the game, not counting the other guys listed on the injury report battling minor bumps (McCray, Sharper, Vilma, Bushrod, Dinkins, Jahri Evans, Hamilton and Kyle). So that's 17 players listed on the injury report which means the Saints will have 36 "completely healthy" players at their disposal, and indispensable guys like Marques Colston and Drew Brees may be held out anyway. So here's a few bullets on what to look for:
-- Is this game Mark Brunell's barring injury or the game getting out of hand, or does Chase Daniel figure into the rotation at QB?
-- Who will get the lion share of the carries? Lynell Hamilton?
-- Will Tracy Porter even play?
-- Will the Saints try to get Jabari Greer any snaps based on the amount of time off he's had?
-- Jamar Nesbit, Nick Leckey and Zach Strief will get a big dose of reps. Fact.
-- The Saints will not be shy about playing conservative on manageable 4th downs and running Garrett Hartley out there in field goal situations.
-- Mike McKenzie and Malcolm Jenkins will play A LOT.
Anyway, I digress, back to the topic at hand. Ever since Jake Delhomme got banged up, Carolina has been rolling with Matt Moore behind center. If you're not familiar with him, he was an undrafted free agent out of Oregon State (also played at UCLA but transferred) who first came into the league in 2007 as a backup for the Panthers. You'll remember former Saint draftee Mike Hass as a teammate in college he threw the ball to a good amount. Moore played in 9 games his first year with Carolina and threw for 730 yards, 3 touchdowns, 5 picks and a quarterback rating of 67.0. After not getting a snap in 2008, he's made the most of his chances in 2009. Through 6 games (4 starts), he's thrown for 891 yards, 7 touchdowns, 2 picks, and a quarterback rating of 98.9. Looks like he's improved quite a bit, right? The scary part is that he keeps getting better with experience.
Check out his stat line:
vs. Tampa: 14-20, 161yds, 1 INT
@ New England: 15-30, 197yds, 1 TD
vs. Minnesota: 21-33, 299yds, 3 TD's
@ NY Giants: 15-20, 171yds, 3 TD's
He's been making very few mistakes, and the last two weeks he's been making two very good pass rushing teams pay dearly when he does drop back. Without question the recent resurrection of Carolina's running game has helped Moore adjust. The key will be for the Saints' recently pathetic run defense to slow down the Panthers' recently outstanding run offense and give themselves a chance to put Matt Moore in obvious passing downs. Then, Gregg Williams can throw his different looks and wrenches at Moore and we'll see if the young quarterback can perform well. One thing is for sure: Gregg Williams has been very good this season at getting his defense to create turnovers against young/inexperienced quarterbacks. The only quarterbacks who haven't had multiple turnovers versus the Saints this season are all seasoned veterans: Jason Campbell, Tony Romo, Marc Bulger, and Jake Delhomme. Conversely, young quarterbacks like Josh Freeman, Kevin Kolb, Chad Henne, and Matt Stafford have all thrown at least two interceptions each against the Saints. This bodes well for the Saints. More good news: Carolina's star receiver Steve Smith is injured and is highly unlikely to play, while star running tandem Jonathan Stewart (achilles) and DeAngelo Williams (ankle) were both held out of practice this week. Oh, and Matt Moore happens to be nursing sore ribs to boot. So as banged up as the Saints are, and although they may be running out their ultimate skeleton crew against a team they have traditionally matched up poorly with, remember that the Panthers are hurt too. It may not be as easy for them to duplicate the recent offensive outputs they've had. The key for the Saints, regardless of who is on the field, is to force Matt Moore into mistakes. As good as he's played lately, this is a job I think the Saints can accomplish.
Give me your prediction on Matt Moore's stat line for the game. Will the Saints be able to contain his recent flurry of success? Will the Saints be able to contain the run enough to force Moore into tougher down and distance situations?
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I'd like to say no
and I’d really like to see Darren Sharper in the backfield looking for that record breaker from a rookie he knows he can read. You know he’s been in Sean Payton’s ear this week.
But sadly, no. I do not see that being a “likely” outcome. However, I don’t think it’s completely out of the realm of possibility either.
I’ve watched the last two Carolina games and I must say he’s looked pretty darn good. It’s an immense benefit having the running tandem he does, and good to have Steve Smith. But Jake “pick six” Delhomme certainly couldn’t accomplish what Matt is with the same team. It makes me think the kid has potential.
Perhaps I’m overstating the obvious, but with Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter, and Darren Sharper out of the mix, our pass defense is atrocious. Mike Mckenzie still has the savvy to make a play now and again, but he needs help in single coverage. Malcolm Jenkins is slow. You’ve all seen it, and we all know he has potential, but at this point…. he’s just slow. I predict Carolina to be fired up for this game, regardless of where they are this season. I expect the same from all the backup’s we have that will be taking the field, but I fear we will be outmatched.
I really just hope the first scenario plays out though. Either way, rest up! Playoff’s? Let’s talk about the Playoffs. Playoffs!
I think the Saints will put 8 in the box to stop the running game
and just live with if Moore can move the ball with the passing game. But, when they get to the red zone, some sort of wrinkle on defense will be thrown in that will be the key if we can hold them to FGs. I think we will still be able to move the ball on offense. I’d say let sharper play a little, especially obvious passing downs. If Greer is healthy, you might see him play a little. I don’t think Jenkins is as bad or as slow as some say. I think that will be more obvious tomorrow.
Would like to see another RB besides Reggie, Bell or PT get some carries to share with Hamilton, but I don’t think we have anyone else
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
If NYG and MIN couldn't stop Stewart with 8 in the box, how do you figure you guys can?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Different 8
Weird things happen all the time in the NFL. Don’t get cocky.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
by MtnExile on Jan 2, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right weird things
like we shut down A.P. last yr. and our D was suspect at best. Plus the weirdness of the last to wks. Car/NYG included.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever will.-Jim Mora Sr.
by metryman on Jan 2, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
boom rec'd it too
Don't pull your love out on me baby,
If you do then I think that maybe I'll just lay me down and cry for a hundred years.
boom rec'd it
Don't pull your love out on me baby,
If you do then I think that maybe I'll just lay me down and cry for a hundred years.
Ok, while you guys are relying on "weird things"
We’ll rely on talent and a team that’s been better than you in December.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
It's true, I don't deny it
It’s against the laws of nature for the Panthers to have back to back winning seasons.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Sounds like the struggle the Falcons are up against this week.
A win will give them their first ever back-to-back winning seasons.
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 2, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Your 2007 numbers for Moore are very misleading
You included games where the Panthers were down by 2-3 scores and he was thrown in late in the 4th. Obviously he had INTs and a depleted QB rating while chucking up hail-marys.
As a starter in 2007 his TD/INT ratio was 3/2, with a QB rating of 86.1, and 2 wins 1 loss. He received rookie of the week honors.
Through all his career starts he’s TD/INT 10/3, QB rating 96.7, Win/Loss 5/2.
Compare that to Brees’ 1st 7 starts TD/INT 7/6, QB rating 74.6, Win/Loss 2/5.
This guy has done nothing so far but protect the ball, win games, and out play pro-bowlers.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
No, he's not better than Brees
…but he’s better than Jake. That’s been obvious for a long time.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
Seven games in the big scheme of things is a rather small sample...
Jake is a pariah now but he has been there forever and last I checked he used to own us…
You gotta go there to come back
Not at all, and may never be
Team’s that rest starters typically don’t do well in the playoffs. Teams that play poorly in Dec REALLY don’t do well in the playoffs. I’m just trying to get you to see, that the last thing you need is to get smacked around by a UDFA newbie just before going into the playoffs.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
southtunnel....
Please don’t pretend you want the Saints to do well in the playoffs that your team won’t be in. We’ve seen your stuff on catscratchreader. If you want our team to fail, we really don’t care.
As far as Moore goes…. go sing his praises to some group that gives a rat’s ass.
by Drew-Dat on Jan 2, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I do really hope you guys do well
I like Drew Brees a lot. He’s an amazing QB, but also does a lot off the field… That’s huge. I love to see guys like that win a Superbowl. But NOT before you lose to the Panthers tomorrow. You got to understand that???
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Matt Moore Matt Moore Matt Moore
If he’s so Johnny Unitas and all, why why why did Fox stick with Delhomme until the embarrassment started attracting league attention (27 turnovers in his last 12 games)? (You know, throwing games. OK not really but it was a LONG leash.)
Classic underachiever.
rotoworld.com:
Matt Moore-QB- Panthers Nov. 15 – 9:38 am et
According to the Rock Hill Herald, Panthers backup quarterback Matt Moore “doesn’t appear serious enough about his job” to have solidified a roster spot for 2010.
Perhaps Moore’s lack of dedication explains why coach John Fox has been so hesitant to turn to him this year in spite of Jake Delhomme’s struggles. Beat writer Darin Gantt notes that Moore has all the physical tools, but he’s only gotten spot work in three 2009 games. He may not return if Fox is fired.
Don't pull your love out on me baby,
If you do then I think that maybe I'll just lay me down and cry for a hundred years.
Yes, you should pay more attention to beat writers, then what he's actually doing in real games
If Moore plays really well and beats you, you’ll just say it was because you rested some starters. That’s fine. You guys will rest for 2 weeks. Then you’ll have to play the toughest game of the season having not won a game in over a month.
I’m just trying to warn you that Stewart and Moore might put a major bruise on an already struggling team. You guys need to quit making excuses and try to win!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Hey, GO AWAY.
Troll.
Or would you prefer we go over to the Panthers blog and start talking trash that can actually be backed up by FACTS, like this very important one:
13-2 versus 7-8
:-D
Irony: An atheist Saints fan.
by GSO Saints Fan on Jan 2, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Aight, I'll take off
Thought I could get some good trash talk going in our last game of the season. Didn’t know you guys would be so sensitive about it.
But lastly, as I mentioned multiple times, and you guys ignored. Brees is a real stand up guy and great QB… And I’d love to see a guy like him get a Superbowl ring. So, I hope you get stomped tomorrow, but sincerely good luck in the playoffs!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
We already have 13, how many you have again?
We’ve earned the right to rest our starters. You’ve earned the right to bench yours.
by WhoDat_OH on Jan 2, 2010 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We already have 13, how many you have again?
We’ve earned the right to rest our starters. You’ve earned the right to bench yours.
by WhoDat_OH on Jan 2, 2010 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Try to win. What a dolt.
Nah! Lets just give it away and go home. Get real!
I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo
he's the next Dan Marino
"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking
Glorified Scrimmage
I’m sorry, I just think this will be really interesting. I remember watching Brunnel play for Jaguars, he always struck me as a warrior. The missed trick play was unfortunate but doesn’t negate hanging in the NFL for 17 years. Given past history, trading Steve Smith being out for a boatload of nicked up and/or tired starters should be about an even swap. I am guessing if Lance Moore doesn’t play, it is only because coach knows he’s ready to go and doesn’t want to put it on display. I still think the four wide-outs will be the bomb in the playoffs. I too am a fan of wierd things, and think in a no-pressure (except in the sense of, "would you like to play in this league next year? I read somewhere the turnover rate in NFL is approaching 25%) glorified scrimmage, back-ups might come out with a “nothing to lose attitude” and actually beat the Panthers at their place. It would be a bit weird but I could live with it.
by PanheadCatahoula on Jan 2, 2010 3:05 PM CST reply actions
to answer Dave's questions...
Moore will go 20 of 37 for 269 yards and 2 TDs with 1 INT and 1 fumble.
I think we’ll do well at stopping the run overall (allow less than 120 yards – well under their average) , but we’ll still get torched on 3rd downs again (they’ll convert over 50%). We have to get this figured out, though or we will not fare well in our Div. Playoff game.
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
Shop as usual, and avoid panic buying.
Maybe we could hide some of those horse hobbles
and throw them around his ankles as he runs by. Not a cause for consern. Paytons playing cards again. He has a very good hand.
not my post
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 2, 2010 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
thank you, Dave. I should have addressed my response to Andrew...
I was done in (once again) by my quick-read of “Saints-nation” as “Saintsational”
sorry, Andrew.
sorry, Dave.
anyone else want an apology from me? right now they’re free and easy!
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
Shop as usual, and avoid panic buying.
just wanted to make sure Andrew got his credit
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 2, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, you're always good about that
and I always feel stupid whenever I mis-attribute something
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
Shop as usual, and avoid panic buying.
Resting Brees is a horrible idea
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Invading Russia is a horrible idea
Resting Brees is more like trusting a toaster. It could work.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!
"trusting a toaster" ~ I like it!!! LOL
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 2, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
trusting a toaster to do what?
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 2, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Surprised but supportive
I really thought Brees would play at least two series tomorrow, but I suppose this works too. You hate to put one man above the team, but without Brees, this team has ZERO chance of winning in the postseason and after 4 years of great play for us, hasn’t the man earned a week off?
Here’s to hoping that the Pointless Bowl(yeah, that’s what I’m calling it, the Pointless Bowl) goes without any injuries, physical or otherwise.
People with high-blood pressure should consult their doctor and ask if they're healthy enough for Saints activity before rooting for this team.
i think new orleans should really try hard to win this game
you would think you would want some momentum going into the playoffs. i don’t believe in all this resting the starters stuff. i don’t remember montana or bradshaw taking time off?
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 2, 2010 10:07 PM CST reply actions
I 2nd this comment...+100
Die hard Carolina Panther Fan, repren' black and blue from southern Cali
by pantherfan95323 on Jan 3, 2010 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
arghhhh
im a bit concerned about resting starters with the way the saints played the last 4 games, i think regaining confidence with a good win, and then having the bye for rest the following week or whatever would be good. but then again, all the injuries need addressing too…..i think my head would explode if i had to be payton for a day.
"These two teams just should not play each other" ...John Madden during a 1991 Saints-Eagles game
Payton has been calm for weeks. not making excuses for poor play
He has his sights on the Diamond and will unveil his shock and awe in the post season. I trust he’s doing the right thing and the whole team has bought into his plan.
i would love to see the saints play the chargers in super bowl.
one city gets it’s first taste of a super bowl championship. plus was not brees drafted by chargers then traded early on?
i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. "unforgiven"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 3, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
not exactly
he was drafted by SD in 2nd round 2001, and then not re-signed after his first contract expired at end of 2005 season…this allowed him to come to NO as a free agent – our best FA signing EVER.
"In the end, the bread was in the pudding." -- Bobby McCray
Shop as usual, and avoid panic buying.
i wish the saints the best. 80% of the time i'm for the underdog
that is college or pro. good luck
i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 3, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions

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