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The crying continues...

Consider this my venting of having to defend the Saints over and over again. 

I have to say i have been overwhelmed with the amount of whining that has occurred about the NFC Championship game.  Living where i do, i find myself surrounded by multitudes of Vikings Fans.  Imagine yourself being dropped into enemy territory.  In this city its Vikings and then Packers as the two most dominant fan bases.  I personally know of one other Saints fan (and he is a bandwagon jumper and therefore does not count). 

I have had to deal with tonnes of complaints about the game:  the officiating, the unbelievable "conspiracy theorists" who believe the NFL has controlled the outcome of the game to make it a "feel good story" and then lastly, the comments about how much Favre was beaten up.

Last time i checked this game was called Football.  Contact was permitted (unless a direct violation of the rules).  I had gone to the Daily Norseman site to attempt to pass on my congrats for a heck of a game, since i figured the emotions by now would have settled, and i truly believed that was an amazing game (already being listed as a NFL "classic game").  At the Norseman, one of the latest posts is of a fan taking Sharper's quote about "cut off the head, and the body will die" and turning that into "the game plan was to intentionally hurt Brett Favre". 

Here is the full Sharper quote from his post (where he quotes Peter King):

Darren Sharper told me Sunday the Saints' mission against Favre was, "Cut off the head, and the body will die.'' In other words, beat the crap out of Favre and see how many plays he makes at the end of the game if you physically manhandle him. I can guarantee you that inside the Saints' facility this week, Williams will be telling his men, "See? It worked against Favre; he threw a terrible pass near the end of the fourth quarter because we beat him up all game. We can do the same thing to Manning if we abuse him.''

Now to me that is a bit of a stretch.  I think it is a given that your QB drives your offense.  And that if you disrupt that QB, and throw off his timing, or make him concerned about the hit that maybe coming, that the offense will suffer as a result.  Get in his head and disrupt his rhythm.  That's the way i take that comment. But really.  It is football.  I dont see many pass rushers getting a full head of steam and stopping short and saying "just teasing you big silly" or "tag i gots you you slippery little quarterback".  If the QB is hit, well then adjust your game plan to get him some protection.

In reviewing some of the Daily Norseman, the predominant opinion is that the Saints were cheap shot artists and dirty players.  And equally as "dirty" against Kurt Warner.  I actually heard a comment from a local that said "the Saints just hit Favre to many times and should have let up".  Are you kidding me?  This was a chance to get to the Superbowl.  Do you think that Jared Allan or the Williams boys would have gone full bore and held up at the last minute.  Extremely doubtful.  They just weren't having the same success getting to our QB as we were to theirs.  I didn't see a lot of hesitation on their part when they faced Dallas. 

Knowing how Manning plays, i really doubt (and hope) that GW doesn't blitz as often as he did in the NFC Championship game as i feel Manning would pick us apart if he did.

Here is the link to the full post and the associated comments if you care to read it.

A Viking Interpretation

This FanPost was written by a reader and member of Canal Street Chronicles. It does not necessarily reflect the views of CSC and its staff or editors.

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Good post. The wounds are still fresh over there, so it’s understandable that Vikings fans can’t accept that it was their team that had their chances and didn’t/couldn’t capitalize on them. If the outcome had been reversed and the Saints had lost, they would be over here telling us to stop whining.

I’ve mostly been staying away from the Daily Norsemen this week because I know they’re still hurting and will have a much different view of the game knock-down, drag-out fight than I do. Plus, the last thing they probably want to see over there is a post from a Saints fan.

"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 27, 2010 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

I can sympathize with the Vikings fanbase

I’m not a complete idiot. I know what its like to have your team screw up at the worst possible time when the game seemed winnable. I’m also a Cubs fan and 2003 still hurts (five outs away from the World Series). It will hurt until the Cubs finally win another pennant. This will hurt for Vikings fans until they finally return to the Super Bowl. My roommate has nothing but disdain for Viking fans after their collective response. I’m more tolerant because I’ve been on that side with the Cubs.

Now, I can look back at the 2003 National League Championship Series and remember all the great moments for my team and how we were so close. I don’t hate the Marlins anymore despite all the ache of being that close to the World Series and not getting there. Vikings fans aren’t going to like us for years and the parallels are just too eerie to ignore. It’s not really fair to us because it’s not our fault the Vikings didn’t do everything they needed to win the game. The object of the game is to score more points than the other team and they failed to do that. The Saints weren’t just going to role over for the Vikings just like the Marlins could not role over for the Cubs. You’re playing to win and that’s all there is to it.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jan 27, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Spelling fail

role = roll

Need more coffee.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jan 27, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong.

I can sympathize for the loss. I truly can. If the tables were turned i am sure i would have been devastated. My emotions were all over that place during the game. However, my approach, and maybe i am in the minority, is to look at myself and my team as to what we did wrong as opposed to blaming everything else under the sun first. You do that and you are doomed to failure.

by Grumps on Jan 27, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah... I've stayed away from DN on purpose.

It’s best just to leave them alone because anything you say will be taken as rubbing their nose in it.

I want to congratulate them on a good game too, but I’ve discussed all the penalties and “dirty hits” ad nauseum over here. I’d rather not do it in a hostile environment who doesn’t have clear heads.

If we had lost, I’d be ticked off about the officiating. I’m a little ticked off now, and we won.

"Pigs have flow! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Superbowl!!" Hear the call

by Dan Kelly on Jan 27, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

Screw it, and screw them

The game is over, we won, and the 2010 Favre Dirge is almost done. He’s a popular guy, and he’s their quarterback. What else are they going to talk about? The rest of the media have to talk about it, because everybody loves the Favre Drama, and it concluded a little earlier than they may have expected. But that talk is almost finished. There’s only one more game to look at, and we’re in it, and Favre’s not. They can cry foul, and hope for a bludgeoning of Brees next time we meet, but the game was played, and they never adjusted to our defensive strategy, which got them plenty of yards, and got Favre plenty of beatings. Calculated risk.

I hope our defense looks totally different against Manning, too. I hope it looks different from series to series, as I don’t believe a defensive package exists that can stop Manning for 60 minutes. I hope he gets hit hard, and early, but they’re going to have to pick their moments to blitz, play a lot of coverage, get pressure with four guys, do a lot of VooDoo motion at the line, and try to make unexpected plays all day, and all of that won’t work most of the time. We can only hope it works some of the time, and take advantage when it does. I think scoring early will be important, too, as the Colts seem to always play their worst in the first quarter, and it would help to get a lead while they’re still trying to ascertain our game plan.

"I do know that we have some unfinished business that we started a few years ago and we want to finish the deal."- Dulymus McAllister

by FuSoYa on Jan 27, 2010 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

LMAO! Rec!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 27, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

that gets a boom

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
I want to have sex with this moment. And get this moment pregnant. VAsaintsfan after the 2009 NFC championship game

by WVPiratesfan on Jan 27, 2010 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Saints earned it, Favre choked

Good luck guys, hopefully your front 7 don’t pound my boy Peyton the way they did Favre or it’ll be a long night for my Colts…

by etid5353 on Jan 27, 2010 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

Pardon my cajun, but i say SHUT THE F UP to any cry baby Vike fans

THE REASON YOU LOST WAS BECAUSE OF YOUR INABILITY TO HOLD ON TO THE BALL – GET OVER IT.

by StDrew on Jan 27, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

Yea i agree

And its only been a few days but i’m already tired of Colts fans dis-respecting our D.
They are another fan base that thinks we got lucky with the turn overs,Here’s a hint it’s not luck if you keep doing it week after week.
And i do believe if we abuse Peyton the same way we did Brett and Kurt it will help us

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 27, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

In their defense...

it looks like a significant number of the responses to the guy’s post are other Vikings fans disagreeing.

by GlackAndBold on Jan 27, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for the understanding

We had a good relationship before the game between DN and CSC, I see no reason not to continue it. We all understand the disappointment of losing, some of us more then others. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks, play dirty or not, the results aren’t going to change. I don’t personally think anyone was playing dirty, I think they were playing smart, but I understand that some Vikes fans are going to reach for answers to justify in their own minds what went wrong.. What went wrong is we lost, plain and simple..

You Saints fans just need to not worry about what is being said by fans that are still reeling from a hard loss, some people are stuck in the denial stage of grief and haven’t yet moved on to the acceptance part.. Believe me, I am happy that the Saints will be making their first appearance in the big game, I am happy for your fans. You just have to take what is being said with a grain of salt like what many of you are.. I hope to do my public relations part on behalf of the Vikes fans in supporting you guys in the big game. Not all of us will be willing to, but I know that if the Vikes didn’t win, and they didn’t, there was no other team I would have rather seen go to the SB then you guys..

"A furore normannorum libera nos domine!"

by jaydebull on Jan 27, 2010 11:17 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks man

I need to quit letting the minority of vike “Fans” aggravate me. Most of you guys are class and I understand the frustration.
If we would have lost, I would have been rooting my butt off for the Vikes!!! Hell, I went to USM with Brett and love him.
I hope he is back for another fun year!!!
Take care all classy Vike fans

by StDrew on Jan 27, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

No problem bro

 I’d rather see you guys enjoying your accomplishment then worrying about what others are saying. I know some people love the drama of it all, but man, all said and done, I would much rather be in your shoes and be excited about the Big Game coming up. I hope my comments are welcome over here, I want to have someone to cheer for in the SB, and it will be the Saints, and you guys have been pretty cool and fun to talk with. My wife actually wants to buy a Saints Jersey… I just pretend that I didn’t hear her say that.. heres why..

I was in Atlanta in 98 a week after we lost that NFC division game, I bought a Falcons Championship t-shirt and wore it around (painting the house etc) needless to say, after a while alot of people found it funny, after they threatened to kick my butt initially.. all I can say is I am proud of my battle scars, emotionally or otherwise… Maybe I ought to buy her that shirt she wants, she can handle herself..

Good luck all ya’ll

"A furore normannorum libera nos domine!"

by jaydebull on Jan 27, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

You're always welcome, jaydebull.

As are any Vikings fans that don’t hate the Saints for what happened Sunday. Maybe our winning was karma from when the Vikings beat the Saints in two different playoff games. One was in 2000 and the other I think was in the late 80’s. Some Saints fans still hate the Vikings because of this, as I’m sure many Vikings fans will hate the Saints for a long time because of Sunday.

You’re absolutely right in that we should be happy about going to Miami and not worrying about what others are saying about our team. Saints fans should be accustomed to the lack of respect because we’ve been getting it all year and for the past 43 years. Many people out there still view us as the Aints and will continue to do so until we win the Super Bowl, although I think that number might have lessened after last weekend. Who cares what they think? I don’t.

"I said this early on that this was a good football team, they just maybe had to have a stick put in certain parts of their body to play a little harder in certain places to where we’re able to take interceptions and score touchdowns."--Gregg Williams

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 27, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Kudos to the good ones

Well done. Please don’t misinterpret my comments. I have not read enough of the DN to have an opinion on the majority of the fans on that site. My vent was more for the person to person debates i have had to have here in Winnipeg. For some reason the Vikings are the adopted “home team” of a good deal of this city. Maybe its the cold that is making them thickheaded but not many of them share your sentiments. To those who do, no disrespect intended and disregard this post.

by Grumps on Jan 27, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Kudos to jaydebull on knowing the spirit of NFL Fandome (is that a word?).

I’ve been around long enough that every time I think of the VIkings I think that Fran Tarkenton was one of the best QBs in history never to get a Superbowl ring. Fran was/is a class act and I’m glad to see that there are Minn fans who follow that example.

Good luck in the coming year, bro.

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 27, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Ask Romo how he feels about it.

They didn’t exactly take it easy on the Cowboys with hits after the ball left his hand. In fact, if you didn’t watch either game and just saw the ESPN highlights, you’d think that Romo was the victim of more hits after he released the ball.
Anyway, like Jaydebull said, I think the majority feel it was a physical game and they respect that the Saints played a tough game. Don’t badmouth all the Vikings players because of the words of a few. I’ve read enough moronic comments from any team’s fans – including the Saints – to know that a fanbase includes the good with the bad.

by Baggs5 on Jan 27, 2010 11:25 AM CST reply actions  

I am the author of that fanpost over at DN, linked at bottom

I never intended it to be discussed here … I intentionally did not post anything like that here … but, oh well. I truly am happy for you guys, and will still cheer for you in the Superbowl, as I have posted here consistently over the last week and a half, many times.

I hope, if you do read my post, you go over it a couple times, because I realize my intentions could be misinterpreted, and you also read my clarifying comments. Hopefully you will then accept what I said there, that my intent was to address a general aspect of football that ALL teams exploit, and not single out the Saints in particular. It’s just that your defensive coach was apparently were a lot more explicit about making this his primary goal than any other team I’d heard in a long time, so it gave me the opportunity to expound on something that I’ve felt about football increasingly over many years. Maybe it’s the case that ALL teams take that approach in ALL games, but other teams don’t have people who run at the mouth as much as Darren Sharper (someone I have great familiarity with, over his entire career).

Again I apologize for any confusion over my poor choice of wording. Yes, this has been a very emotional time for me the last few days, and maybe I did not chose my words/express my thoughts clearly enough.

by puddnhead on Jan 27, 2010 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

puddnhead - I like you and we've enjoyed exchanging with you, but....

just the title alone of your post was inflamatory….. “Sharper Confirms It Was The Saints Intent To Hurt Farve”.

A more accurate title might have been, “Between Commenting on Where He Found The Best Cup of Coffee in New Orleans, Peter King Confirmed He Thinks It Was the Saints Intent To Hurt Farve”.

by Drew-Dat on Jan 27, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

When a defensive player looks at the opposing QB a few yards away, what do you imagine is in his mind?

“I’ve got to get to this guy but, gee, hope I don’t hurt him.” Nope.

The “highest” level of football I played was in high school, you know, when the scoreboards were made of wood~! As a defensive end I was salivating on every play just imagining the tip of my helmet hitting the QBs chest and making a convex pattern on his spine! It is the job of the defense to wreak havoc on the opposing QB because he is the head that means life or death to the body of his offense.

I don’t think for a moment that Favre was supprised that he was getting hit so hard and so often. He’s been around long enough to know that he is the Yang to the defensive Ying. That’s how it is and it ain’t gonna’ change.

When bad QBs get hit it’s just too bad. When good QBs get hit everyone wants a flag. The only flag Favre got was a white one.

Period!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 27, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

My answer to the conspiracy theories:

CBS actually conducted a study to see which matchup would draw the biggest ratings for the Superbowl. They concluded that the best scenario for them, ratings wise, was Favre vs. Manning. If the NFL was going to help any team in this game, then it would have been the Vikings. I’m not suggesting that anything like that happend, just that the refs were calling an intensely tight game, probably too tight in a few instances, but it was consistant.

I’d also just like to say that for the most part the Vikings fans have shown a great deal of fortitude and behaved honorably throughout the entire course of events. I know full well I would be upset if the table were turned, and I can understand why a lot of Vikings fans feel the way they do. A game of this much importance and is as close as this game was will always produce the highest of highs for one group of fans and the lowest of lows for the other. We’ve been on the other end of this feeling more than a couple of times. Heck, I think my earliest memory as a Saints fan was of Chris Carter catching a last minute TD to give the Vikings a 21-20 win over the Saints in 1994. But I digress. I just wanted to say that we shouldn’t hold anything said in a time of extreme emotion against a franchise in the long run.

"That Brees is a good quarterback." - Giants Free Safety Michael Johnson after a 48-27 Saints victory.

by VAsaintsfan on Jan 27, 2010 12:54 PM CST reply actions  

My Two Cents...

…on the feel good and the officiating.

A) Feel Good Story- If there really are Big Brothers/Wizard of Ozs pulling the strings, they would have done that during the 2006 NFC Championship game vs. Chicago Bears when Katrina was still fresh in everyones memory. If you think football is rigged, then why watch it? I don’t watch “pro” wrestling for that very reason. I certainly don’t waste my time trying to convince people who DO enjoy wrestling that its rigged and scripted.

B) The officiating- The officials had no control over Favre throwing that last interception. If he had run for 7 yards, slid and the Vikes had kicked the field goal, said questionable plays would never have happened. Meanwhile, back in Saints land, the Vikes fans would have been defending the very questionable roughing the passer calls the Saints fans would have been complaining about. Meanwhile some Saints conspiracy theorists would have been concluding that the NFL is rigged because they are clearly in love with Favre and wanted to see him exit his career on a high note.

Outside a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside a dog its too dark to read. -Groucho Marx

by themarsist on Jan 27, 2010 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

Here's my take

I liked all the great discussions we had before the game
Anything they say after it is just frustration and not worth getting worked up about.
I have talked to some Colts fans thinking we could have a decent discussion like last week
But i have to tell ya’ll they are with out a doubt the most arrogant fans io have ever come across(not including Dallas)
Maybe it’s because we all got along so well with the Vike fans last week and forgot what afc fans are like ( jets,dolphins,pats,bills) so i would give anything to be dealing with Viking fans now instead of Colts fans

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 27, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

Va Saints fan

while I generally agree wih your post-in fact mostly I specifically agree with your post. I guess the only rebuttal I have is when fans come to OUR blog/website and splay their s***. I don’t have any problem with them moaning, groaning, whining and complaining on their own site – namely DN- that IS understandable.. , I find it very disdainful for them to come here to lessen our joy, attempt to falsify our victory, and try to ruin our party- especially in light of how we have basically been the most maligned and unsuccessful franchise in NFL history. And, specifically, how they have outright said as well as insinuated how they were better and deserved a victory because (in their minds) the refs gave it to us.

So if anyone might sense a push back, a protectiveness, a bullishness, or an attempt to tell those intruders that they are full of crap, they not only would be accurate but I would tell them that anything less by a true Saints fan would be deploreable.

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Jan 27, 2010 7:01 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

"The crying continues..."

Yeah, I’ll say. The most played song in Minnesota right now? Crying Time.

“Oh it’s crying time again, you’re gonna’ leave me.
I can see that Favre away look in your eyes.
I can tell by the way you hold your suitcase,
That it won’t be long before it’s crying time.”

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 27, 2010 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not really a supporter of "Favre bashing." In fact, I'd be willing to meet him more than half way.

For instance, if he were drowning 20 feet from the dock, I’d throw him a 15 foot rope!

Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!

I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.

by Just 'Nother Day on Jan 27, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Its over....

The vikings do look like a sulking group at the Pro Bowl!!!!!!!!

by Saintsfan4life on Jan 27, 2010 11:36 PM CST reply actions  

Oh, yeah, but we're a "FINESSE" team.......

"I think we agree, the past is over" - George W Bush
"The greatest enemy of knowlege is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge" Stephen Hawking

by Philinwood on Jan 28, 2010 7:28 AM CST reply actions  

The key is that the Vikes decided to put their quarterback at risk and try to

open up the throwing game, which they did. I don’t see that this point has been noted anywhere when people are talking about how our offense sputtered. We took what we could get while protecting our quarterback and the football. The Vikes, as I’m sure PH will attest, would surely have pounded Drew into the ground if allowed. Actually, to me, our o-line performance was stunningly good. They decided to go the other way and, if it had been anybody but that crazy guy from Miss, they would have been totally destroyed in that game. But, that dude just kept jumping up! What a nut! I gotta respect him something fierce, though I sure liked our game plan better and I would not want to be the one getting pounded into the ground. This is kinda, also, what I was saying for a little while. There is old school football and there are a few who realize the game has changed and has changed with it. I guess the plan was that, unless something was broken, Brett would have two weeks to recover?

I understand where you are coming from, PH, but I don’t see how you get by it unless there is a ‘no touch’ rule on the quarterback. It’s a real dilemma for the NFL. Or, maybe it’s just a real dilemma for each team.

WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dynasty - 2009 - ????

by nofear on Jan 28, 2010 8:16 AM CST reply actions  

Favre

  I have never been a huge Favre fan . Untill I saw him in this game. Childress left nobody in to help protect him. Favre took a major bayou azz whip’n all night! Not once did he lose his cool. Never went to the sidline slinging his helmet. never gave his O-line hell. Just picked his ass up and kept going. With all the crazyness of turn overs etc. Just kept on plugging. Thats all anyone can ask of a QB. I say he is a class act and the Vikes got more than their moneys worth from him. They will be damn lucky to get him back next year.

by saints-fan-in-miss on Jan 28, 2010 8:55 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

He's insane if he comes back

But, honestly, I can’t blame him if he does. That way to end a career just has to hurt.

WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dynasty - 2009 - ????

by nofear on Jan 28, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah... even though they lost the game, I think his "legacy" was upheld/hightened by this game.

We battled against two true warriors these last two weeks.

To get hit like these guys did, and get back up and back in the game is outstanding!

"Pigs have flow! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Superbowl!!" Hear the call

by Dan Kelly on Jan 28, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I got nothing against Brett either.

I just don’t want to see him paying sitters to wipe his A$$, and feed him by spoon when he’s 50. If he stays another year and takes more of the beating like the Saints put on him, it just might happen.

I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo

by KilnBill on Jan 28, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Now THAT wouldn't be good for his "legacy"...

And sadly, if he comes back, that’s a real possibility.

"Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Superbowl!!" Hear the call

by Dan Kelly on Jan 28, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I just don’t want to see him paying sitters to wipe his A$$, and feed him by spoon when he’s 50. If he stays another year and takes more of the beating like the Saints put on him, it just might happen.

If that did come to pass, Brett Favre could possibly become the “Muhammed Ali” of the NFL. The guy who dominated the press headlines while he was playing, for both on and off field reasons, and then, after he was done, the guy whose physical decline made him the poster boy of how brutal the sport is, and thus potentially leading to its decline in popularity.

I hope, if you understand what I just said, you then understand better the context of why I was “troubled” by this approach over in my DN post. I understand why Williams did this, it was a smart gameplan … like King wrote, he’s probably saying to your team, “see it worked!” But what’s good for your team in the short run, could become bad for the entire league in the long run, if everyone start going all out to do this like your guys did.

by puddnhead on Jan 28, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

But don't you understand

All teams try to this. We just got there 1st.

I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo

by KilnBill on Jan 28, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes I do understand

I don’t know how many times I have to say that, and emphasize that I’m not trying to call out Saints specifically on this, but look at in in the big picture of the NFL. You guys were not the first to try this, no … but the Saints were the first perhaps to be so single-minded and blatant and unapologetic that this was your objective, and they did it in the most-watched non-Superbowl NFL game in 27 years.

The confluence of all those circumstances is what is making what happened in this game so prominent.

You do see/comprehend that Vikings fans are not the only ones talking about this, right? Greg Williams just got asked about it yesterday, int he context of the Superbowl, and NFL head official Pereia on the NFL Network last night essentially put you (and Colts, and every other team in NFL next year) on notice that everyone should expect more penalties to be called, by coming out and publicly stated that there were multiple “missed calls” on hits to the quarterback Sunday.

by puddnhead on Jan 28, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Those reports are GREATLY exaggerated to the point of being complete BS.

The author has taken the same “quotes” and conjecture (aka made-up BS) and suddenly applied them all to Peyton Manning this week.

The headline earlier this week said, "Williams’ goal: ‘Remember me’ shots on QB"

The headline today says, “Gregg Williams suggests the Saints want to injure Manning”

Yet, he’s using the same quote in both articles… with another one added in for today’s, to make it seem like fresh news. It’s a pack of lies.

But, if you read the article, Williams doesn’t say that.

He says, "And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again."

He’s pointing out that the media loves to stir up $^&*.

PS. If you think you’re fantastic DE’s weren’t trying to get some "remember me hits" on Drew, you’re sadly mistaken.

The media is really good at stirring up $%^* where none exists… and, apparently, the author (and I use that term loosely) of that article is a 10th degree black belt at starting $%^&.

"Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Superbowl!!" Hear the call

by Dan Kelly on Jan 28, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

You’re “troubled” by it because A) your team lost, and B) because Favre is your quarterback. Emphasizing QB pressure is not only a legitimate defensive strategy, it’s the cornerstone of an entire defensive coaching tree, whose foundations begin with Buddy Ryan. More than half of the defensive systems in place in the NFL today are based on the idea that successful harassment of the quarterback will yield positive results for the defensive unit. Your team’s defense produced a blowout against the Cowboys one week earlier with the exact same strategy. It’s not mean-spirited, it’s not poor sportsmanship, and it’s not new.

Nobody, Gregg Williams and Darren Sharper included in this, wants to see Favre eating through a straw in the coming years. Favre, like Brees, plays a position in the NFL that is attacked on every snap of football. The NFL tries to protect it’s cash cows with 15 yard penalties and stiff fines, but quarterback pressure is PART OF THE GAME. Your team was doing it, too. The Saints just came into the game with combating that pressure and protecting the QB in mind, while the Vikings played the game with exploiting that pressure by throwing over it as their plan. Both plans worked, and both plans had their predictable drawbacks. We didn’t produce a ton of yards, had to throw underneath and short routes a lot, and had to punt a lot. Your team had to deal with the QB taking a lot of shots. It wasn’t personal. It was a plan.

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by FuSoYa on Jan 28, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

And may i add to your statement

Their D coordinator Leslie Frazier also comes from the Buddy Ryan tree and did the exact same thing to Romo last week.
They just didnt get to Brees this week like they wanted to.

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 28, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeh. With ya on that.

Saw Kurt Warner retired. Guess that man slam he took in the Saints game was the last straw. Good for him . I liked Warner. Class guy and a hell of a QB.

by saints-fan-in-miss on Jan 28, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That great to hear for a couple of reasons.

One, as you say
Two, we don’t have to play him, again!

Now, if Brett retires, that only leaves Peyton as any kind of real competition to Drew in the “best quarterback” game. Ok, three reasons.

WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by nofear on Jan 28, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Like to see Warner as a back up for Brees.

 That way he would be able to maybe get to a Super Bowl and wouldn’t have to risk get’n hammered every week. Or favre for that matter. I know the idea of being second fidle may not be very inviting. Just saying

by saints-fan-in-miss on Jan 28, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

What an idea!!!!!! Cool! And, Brett's right down the road.

Of course, neither one may like playing for the team that shut them down, either.

WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dynasty - 2009 - ????

by nofear on Jan 28, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Just like running to 1st base

In baseball when you are running to first base, if you touch the bag and turn away from the field of play (aka make your turn toward the foul side of the field, right turn at first) then you are considered safe. ANY turn towards the field of play (or sometimes even just going straight and trying to turn back around) is taken as an attempt to advance and you can be tagged out. On the play where NO was hit with a penalty for “roughing the quarterback” (aka illegal hit out of bounds play) Brett turned towards the direction the play was going and not toward the “safe” side (towards the non-scoring goal-line) so the linebacker took that as he was trying to advance the ball by making a block so that the ball carrier could advance. He was treated as any other blocker would have been treated (well except by the refs!!!!!!!!)

by Comp on Jan 28, 2010 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

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