New Orleans Saints' Defensive and Special Teams Player Grades vs. Vikings
The amount of big plays were so abundant in this game, it was hard to give most of these defensive players a bad grade, despite giving up over 450 yards and 28 points. Many of them alternated with good with the bad. Still they deserve to be credited for being mostly responsible for the win. Special teams, on the other hand, was a thing of beauty.
Will Smith: B- (2.80) Smith was a very tough player to grade because the offensive line focused their efforts on making sure he was blocked on passing downs. He was chipped and double teamed, adding to that the fact that Brett Favre was getting the ball out of his hands in a hurry. Still, Smith showed tremendous effort, tackling ability and pursuit on running plays. He didn't get any hits on Favre and he wasn't much of a factor rushing the passer, but he did end with an impressive 6 tackles and forced a fumble.Bobby McCray: C+ (2.04) McCray was mostly on the sidelines during running plays, and the Saints brought him in in instances where he could pin his ears back and go after Favre. He finished with 2 tackles, used his frame and wingspan to deflect a pass, and he was able to hit Favre once. He also got flagged for a 15 yard penalty for blowing up Favre after he handed the ball off on an end around. Part of me wanted to penalize his grade severely for getting flagged, and part of me wanted to give him a pass for roughing up the opposing quarterback for the second straight week.
Jeff Charleston: C (2.33) Charleston was mediocre despite a good amount of playing time, especially on running downs. He finished with one tackle, and was able to put a nice little lick on Favre at one point. He's a passable situational end and nothing more.
Remi Ayodele: B- (2.37) He was involved in the running game and showed more effort that he did earlier in the season. As the games have progressed, I have to applaud Ayodele for his effort. He finished with 5 tackles and was involved in the tackling piles. Still, too many times did he get pushed around allowing Adrian Peterson to get into open space. Give him credit for recovering a fumble that the Saints desperately needed inside the Vikings' 20.
Sedrick Ellis: B (2.72) With the heavy rotation happening on the defensive line, I think Ellis was on the sidelines way too often. When he was in, he didn't make a big play, but he was aggressive. He finished with 6 tackles, most of them a result of finishing plays and helping his teammates. He never gave up on plays and he was quick to finish things off when Peterson was thrown off balance. He also got a decent amount of push up the middle.
Anthony Hargrove: B- (2.39) Hargrove was easily noticed on the plays he did make, but he was also responsible for some major running lanes that Peterson benefited from. He did get great pressure on passing plays, and once almost broke Favre in half. He finished with 2 tackles, including one for a loss.
Scott Shanle: B+ (2.67) Shanle was all over the field. He was decent in pass coverage, though he was victimized a handful of times, but his strength absorbing blocks, his pursuit on running plays and his tackling was top notch. He finished with 10 tackles.
Jonathan Vilma: B (2.92) Vilma wasn't as involved in stopping the run as Shanle. Peterson made him look silly a few times, slipping through his tackles or blowing past him completely. Vilma was most effective with his pass coverage on this day. He defended two passes and intercepted another. He was mostly responsible for covering Visanthe Shiancoe and he did a good job for the most part. Despite his occasional woes against the run, he did finish with 5 tackles, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery.
Scott Fujita: B- (2.75) Fujita was so effective blitzing against the Cardinals, I was disappointed he wasn't sent more often against Favre. He still managed to get one pretty physical knock down, though. He finished with 5 tackles but he wasn't overly impressive. Too many of his tackles were broken. Give Fujita for coming up with a fumble recovery on a bobbled handoff between Favre and Peterson inside the Saints' 10 right before halftime. The Saints dodged the bullet despite a costly Reggie Bush fumble thanks to that.
Jabari Greer: B- (3.33) He had 8 tackles and 2 defended passes. Favre attacked him early and often. In fact, Favre was never afraid to go after him. The results were mixed. His high tackle total is a function of how much action Greer got. It certainly wasn't his best game. He made some terrific open field tackles and completely whiffed on others. He was beaten on a touchdown pass to Sidney Rice, but he also neutralized him overall.
Tracy Porter: B+ (3.09) Porter was arguably the toughest player to grade for the Saints because he was responsible for the biggest plays and the biggest breakdowns. His interception at the end of the game was almost as big as Hartley's make. The Saints were up against it and he came up with a huge pick at the most crucial of times. That play alone gets him the defensive MVP, in my eyes. He also had a very head's up strip from behind catching up to Adrian Peterson inside the Saints' 10 yard line, resulting in another absolutely crucial red zone turnover. So you could argue he saved the Saints from 7 points there, and the game winning field goal at the end. He finished with 8 tackles and a defended pass. Like Greer, he was attacked often and had mixed results. His biggest mistake was a justified pass interference call in the end zone on Bernard Berrian that gave the Vikings the ball at the Saints' 1 yard line. He had his hands full with Berrian and he was giving up way to much underneath. Still, you just can't ignore the big plays he came up with.
Randall Gay: C+ (2.64) Gay had terrific coverage a number of times that still got victimized. It was weird because at least 2 or 3 times, I thought to myself "wow, that's pretty solid coverage by Gay", only for a Minnesota receiver to come up with a sick catch in traffic. Hard to blame Gay for those, but the bottom line is it apparently wasn't good enough. He finished with 3 tackles.
Darren Sharper: B+ (2.90) Sharper was the most steady and consistent Saint on the night. He never allowed a big play over the top, he was physical, he was sure in his tackles, and he played smart. Sharper never made the big play like Vilma or Porter did, but he was the most solid defender on the night. Twice he was sent in on safety blitzes that he timed perfectly, and he pulverized Favre. Talk about laying the wood. I'm surprised Favre actually got up from one of them. He led the Saints with 11 tackles and was all over the field. Quite frankly, Peterson would've potentially had a 200 yard rushing day if he didn't make solid back end tackles.
Roman Harper: B- (2.70) It was a mixed effort for Harper, too. Per usual, his pass coverage was a little suspect. Specifically, he allowed a big third down conversion at an important stage when he was completely burned by Shiancoe. It's a bad sign, if you ask me, when your strong safety can't run with a tight end. Still, he was physical in the box. He missed a couple tackles, but Peterson was extremely slippery. Harper still managed 7 tackles and a forced fumble.
Garrett Hartley: A (3.09) Hartley was perfect on his 4 extra points, and he hit the game winning 40 yard kick in overtime that sent the Saints to the SuperBowl. The kick would've been good from 60, as it was right down the middle and cleared the crossbar by a mile. Kickers don't get put in a higher pressure situation, and that was a big kick to make. As many kicks as we've seen missed this year at the pro and college level, I have to admit I was bracing myself. That's a big time kick under the more dire of situations. Hartley forever placed himself in Saints history with that make. Make no mistake about it, that was a SuperBowl kick.
Thomas Morstead: A (3.00) As much credit as Hartley is getting and deserves, perhaps the most overlooked player on the Saints in this game was Thomas Morstead. Forget special teams player of the game, I think Thomas Morstead has a case for the Saints' PLAYER OF THE GAME. He was that good. Did anyone see that 63 yard punt he completely obliterated? Not only is his leg strength unique, he also gets tremendous hang time. He set up his coverage units nicely, and the Vikings' return units never threatened remotely. He averaged 51.3 yards per punt off of 7 punts, with 4 ending up inside the Vikings' 20 and no touchbacks. Those stats are unbelievable. That's crazy good. His net average was 49.16. 49.16 for crying out loud!!! Off 7 punts!!! It takes players an entire career to punt a game like that together, and Morstead did it in his rookie season, in the NFC Championship. I can't speak highly enough about this guy or the difference he's made. He's without question the Saints' rookie of the year. No one else is even close. The scary part is that he's gotten better and better as the season progressed. Hopefully he'll be the Saints' punter and kickoff man for a very long time. Speaking of kickoffs, they were mostly good and deep, but he did have a couple of short squib/line drives. Luckily none of those turned into a disaster, but I wonder if they were on purpose? That costs him the A+, but make no mistake when I say that he's my Saints' player of the game.
Courtney Roby: A- (2.84) Special teams on the whole were fantastic. Take away Bush's fumble and the whole unit deserves an A+ for the production they came up with. Not much is being made out of their performance in the media, but I really thought it was the difference in the game (arguably more so than the turnovers). Roby was rock solid on coverage, forcing both fair catches and Percy Harvin / Darius Reynaud into redirecting their returns to lanes that led to nowhere. On his returns, Roby never went down to the first hit. He showed good speed and tackle breaking ability. He was able to rip one 61 yard return, and he averaged 28.6 yards per return off 5 tries. He got banged up, but hopefully he'll be ok for the SuperBowl because he's an integral part of what the Saints do. I'm glad we have him. What were we thinking cutting him prior to week 1? We're extremely fortunate no one snatched him up.
My Defensive Player of the Game: Tracy Porter
My Special Teams Player of the Game: Thomas Morstead
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I think you're wrong on McCray
His hit shouldn’t have been flagged: Favre handed off, then got in the way of a defensive player pursuing the play. That makes him a blocker. McCray did what he should have done; and I’m sure the fact that it was Brett Favre induced him to put a little extra mustard on the hit. Big deal…there’s no such penalty as “roughing the quarterback.”
If someone’s grade gets reduced for that play, it should be Pete Morelli’s.
BURN THE BLACK PANTS!!!!
by MtnExile on Jan 28, 2010 6:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Let's see if gets fined for the low hit later on...
But it was almost comical to see Hargrove bouncing on top of Favre at the end of the play…
You gotta go there to come back
by bondcrash on Jan 28, 2010 6:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It was a clean hit and should not have been flagged. Favre was in his way. What was McCray supposed to do? If Favre wants to stand in between the runner and a Defensive End then he deserves to get lit up. There isn’t really a polite way to move a guy out of the way when you’re playing football.
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by VAsaintsfan on Jan 28, 2010 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but the NFL doesn’t I saw on NFL networks the head official explaining why this was flagged. He said because Farve was still in the pocket, he was still viewed as a QB meaning same rules apply to late hits. I still think that rule sucks because to me the run was headed in the opposite direction from McCray and Farve was between him and the runner so basically he’s a blocker. He hit him to get him out of the way and pursue the runner in my opinion.
by narco301 on Jan 28, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all that summarized here
And your long-time curse hurts
But what's worse
Is this pain in here
I can't stay in here
by stujo4 on Jan 28, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More interesting
Was the article a below that where Fran all but says he is sick of Farve.
by maybetoday on Jan 28, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McCray gets an A
Whether that hit should have been flagged or not is immaterial. That hit hurt Farve. I have to believe that the pain he felt from that hit was in the back of his mind when he threw the 4th quarter INT instead of jogging forward 5 yards setting up a field goal. He was scared to take another big shot.
by saintsdevotee on Jan 28, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mixed feelings about McCray's hit on Favre
I see what you’re saying about Favre being a blocker. Then, I think about Brees getting hit on a double end around when he doesn’t have the ball and isn’t involved in the play anymore. We would all be crying for the penalty and we’d be ticked off if we didn’t get it. On McCray’s defense, he was just then getting off his block when Favre came his way and might not have known but that’s still not an excuse. I will have to say though…that was a brutal hit. McCray’s making everyone remember him during the playoffs.
Superbowl bound!!!...I know! do you?! Go Saints!!
by skinnykinney on Jan 28, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With all the penalities pouring against the defense
I thought the NFL was skewing the game to get Favre to Miami. There were some real bullshit calls however the refs redeemed themselves in extra time when it really counted.
If it weren’t for this defense we would have lost the game because our offense didn’t do anything in the 2nd half. So for me they get a collective A.
Check this out, we are already being written off by analysts…
http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/nfl/hE3sJOCnTqry4BxGsAl_J0LpWSj16xTm
Don’t you just hate Clark Judge…
by Swidub on Jan 28, 2010 7:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Clark who.... lol
Whatever they say is irrelevant… but CBS looks particularly biased after that attack on Payton last week…
You gotta go there to come back
by bondcrash on Jan 28, 2010 7:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shanles
shedding of blocks is a thing of beauty. i can remeber a screen pass with 2 OL in his face and he got around both of them to make the tackle. if special teams werent so great he would be my player of the game
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by sernycrusher on Jan 28, 2010 7:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Vikings got most of their yardage because they had a long field
for most of the game and that was because of Morsteads punting. The kid kept them inside their 20 on each punt. We had a shorter field on most of our possessions either by fumble recoverys , interceptions or Kick of returns. That particulae game showed how important special teams can be to the outcome of a game. We now see why Payton chose a punter in the draft………………He never ceases to amaze me and prove Deon Sanders wrong time and time again.
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by saint-sly on Jan 28, 2010 7:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like you saying...
…the recipe for racking up tons of yardage is to consistently start with poor field position….wow.
by TigerPaw on Jan 28, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing we're not trying to rack up yardage. ;-)
"Pigs have flow! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Superbowl!!" Hear the call
by Dan Kelly on Jan 28, 2010 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No..........During the Viking game we mostly had a short field while
the Vikings had a long field due to great punts and kickoffs. To travel the lenght of the field on every possession creates a lot of yardage (and a defense that could not stop them) but the Saints had two kick offs that started around mid field and three fumbles and an interception that was also around our 40 or 50 yard line. Saints did not have to travel s far to score. The Vikings started all their possessions at or inside their 20. Special teams won that game for us. (And a couple interceptions) At the end of the game the Vikings had 475 yards of of offense. We had 275 yards and the time of possession was in the Viking favor.
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by saint-sly on Jan 28, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Sean We Trust! rec'd
(And, good punting is another reason ‘yards against a defense’ is a bad rank. If our punter and punt coverage weren’t as good, our opponents would have shorter fields and fewer yards.)
"Pigs have flow! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Superbowl!!" Hear the call
by Dan Kelly on Jan 28, 2010 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vilma
Maybe a B+ for switching the coverage on that last play?
by Brian.Corbett on Jan 28, 2010 8:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Voted for Vilma,
but I gotta say, McRay is a little underrated.I know he’s been stamped with the rep as headhunter ,but man that guy can lay some wood.With the retirement of Warner( Don’t pull a FarFrayVar)and possibly FarFrayVar(fingers crossed)I’d like to think he may have had something to do with it.
I'll be your huckleberry- Doc Holliday to Ringo
by KilnBill on Jan 28, 2010 8:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
One thing about Mccray though. He landed some fierce hits on Warner and Favre! The defense fought like no other!
by Jricky70 on Jan 28, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best Defensive player was AP dropping the ball
This is my first post since the game, it was so disheartening to even watch that game as a vikes fan that I just couldn’t talk or read about football until now. 5 NFC Championships lost, just terrible. That game wasn’t even fun to watch any bit with how terrible the Vikings played. The fact they were in it the whole game and took it to OT was just salt in the wounds. I kept asking myself if this game was EVER going to end, I wanted to be put out of my misery. I literally think of this game a bad nightmare that I’ll remember the rest of my life.
I don’t hold the refs responsible for this game at all. I think there happened to be a lot more close calls in this game than there normally are in a football game, and enough of them went both ways that it’s a moot point. The reason the Vikings lost was their own inability to hold onto the football. Some Vikes fans blame favre’s INT in the 4Q, I don’t. The guy shoulda never been in that position in the first place with the 12 men in the huddle penalty (after a god damn timeout), and even then he was doing what he thought was right to get in field goal range to give his kicker a better chance than 55 yds with 1 play left. Favre threw 2 INT’s, only 9 INT’s all season. I hold nothing against him.
Putting the ball on the ground? That’s just inexcusable. These men are professionals and they completely lacked professionalism. The core responsibility of their job is to hold onto the ball, and this team has shown a complete lack of respect for protecting the it. #1 offender is AP, this guy has his head up his a$$, he’s too high on himself, thinks he’s above mistakes (AP: You can’t fix a problem by just thinking about it and saying you fixed it). He tries to fight for meaningless inches after the first down, and all you have to do is tap the football and it flies out like a cannon ball leaving a cannon. For someone they say has a deathgrip handshake you’d think he could hold onto the ball. It’s not inability, it’s lack of focus and discipline. Now his terrible approach has spread to other players on the team like a plague. He needs to get his act together or I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the bench and letting Chester Taylor fight for his 3 yards a carry. Chester can run for 1200+ yds in a season, and I’m comfortable letting Harvin or someone else getting the other 800. Any other RB in the league would be benched, I don’t think AP should get special treatment. He’ll never learn his lesson unless he realizes he won’t play if he sucks this bad.
Congratulations to the Saints, I’d wish you luck but I put a G on the Colts -6.
by cdubs on Jan 28, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sir - it was as tough as it gets
And good luck you guys next year – find a good QB if Favre retires and you are good to go
Bring the wood
by bondcrash on Jan 28, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for being a good sport
Unfortunateley the same cannot be said for many of your fellow Vikes fans. I understand their frustrations with 5 NFC Champ game losses, but the blogosphere is full of hateful Katrina rhetoric, allegations of dirty play by “thug” Saints defensive players, and crazy officiating conspiracies. It’s unbecoming a proud franchise like MN.
by cptbags on Jan 28, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone using "dirty" as an excuse
isn’t a true Vikings fan and doesn’t know that much about football. The Facebook world is covered with posts about dirty play from 90% WOMEN….I have yet to meet a woman who knew even close to as much about football as me.
Katrina rhetoric is childish, and you’ll always have complaints over officiating. I think it could’ve been better, but if we have half the turnovers in that game, Vikings easily win and the refs aren’t even an issue.
QB situation will be interesting, I just hope it’s not TJoke taking the snaps in september, unless of course he learns to impersonnate brett favre.
by cdubs on Jan 28, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here's the thing about the turnovers
it wasn’t as if the ball just mysteriously popped out. They weren’t acts of God, most of those TOs were forced. Yes there was the inexplicable AP/Favre exchange in the red zone, but the rest were forced by the Saints D that has focussed on that all year. To suggest otherwise is just plain wrong.
"It's probably going to be nuts around here for a little bit" - Drew Brees
by SaintBevo on Jan 28, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meet my girlfriend
I go to her about stats and formations and FA and such. Constantly wins in her many fantasy football leagues etc etc. The ultimate lady who can cuss like a drunken sailor during a game and she loves all games regardless of who is playing. To bad she is a Broncos fan. But like she said to the Vikings fans who are pissy “shake the sand out of your vagina and quit whining, its football for gods sake”.
by maybetoday on Jan 28, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Greer covering Rice on that TD Pass?
On Football Outsiders (the audibles article) where they post the emails they send during the games, one of them said that the Vikings had to move Rice to the inside to get away from Greer.
by Big McLargeHuge on Jan 28, 2010 9:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't Greer.
Rice sat in a hole in zone coverage, next to Shanle. Greer might have been the next guy over, but Shanle was the nearest defender, and Greer was definitely not manned up with Rice on that play.
"I do know that we have some unfinished business that we started a few years ago and we want to finish the deal."- Dulymus McAllister
by FuSoYa on Jan 28, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Shanle could have made a play on the ball
Shanle was in good position to make a play on the ball either stepping in front to intercept of at least getting a hand out there to deflect it. I know that reaction is not instantaneous, but I wish he could have been a little more heads up on that play. Solid otherwise all day though.
by narco301 on Jan 28, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He definitely reached out for it.
It was just a good pass into a tight zone. Shanle was the unlucky slow linebacker who happened to be individually victimized by it.
"I do know that we have some unfinished business that we started a few years ago and we want to finish the deal."- Dulymus McAllister
by FuSoYa on Jan 28, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have got to be EFFING kidding me
(Porter’s) interception at the end of the game was almost as big as Hartley’s make.
Here’s the deal: Porter has to be the MVP of the game. The game was too close to call, could have gone either way. He stripped Berrian in the 4th quarter (Vilma recovered teh fumble. The game is tied, Favre is leading the drive for the game winning field goal in the final seconds of regulation. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO MAKE A BIG PLAY. Porter alertly sees Favre in gunslinger mode and makes the game saving interception. That’s a big play, HUGE.
And maybe it’s bigger to me (don’t know if I’ve admitted this yet). I was sitting down, about to cry. Suzjo4 demands to know what my problem is, I tell her they’re in field goal range, Longwell does not miss, this game is over. She barks at me to have some faith and get my ass UP, so I do and….. INTERCEPTION!!! That was embarrassing. Tracy Porter had more faith than I did. Tracy Porter didn’t give up. Tracy Porter stepped in and saved the game while I stood there sheepishly.
You can see the analysis of this on the Saints website or here
B+ my ass, I give him an A.
And your long-time curse hurts
But what's worse
Is this pain in here
I can't stay in here
by stujo4 on Jan 28, 2010 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tracy Porter also got victimized all day by Bernard Berrian, and on one BIG one by Shiancoe. Don’t get me wrong, he saved our asses when his number was called, but he also contributed heavily to our asses being out in the wind. In my mind, his ass-savery on his two forced turnovers(the pick, and the beautiful strip in the redzone a few possessions earlier) are what saved an otherwise below-average coverage day for him. He’s still the hero, but he doesn’t deserve a higher grade for his play throughout the game.
"I do know that we have some unfinished business that we started a few years ago and we want to finish the deal."- Dulymus McAllister
by FuSoYa on Jan 28, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just, you know, my opinion.
"I do know that we have some unfinished business that we started a few years ago and we want to finish the deal."- Dulymus McAllister
by FuSoYa on Jan 28, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget the atrocious pass itnerference
to give the Vikes a 30 yard penalty and the ball at the one
by saints-nation on Jan 28, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atrocious???
Good Jesus1000 people, these are good wide receivers. The corner is trying to keep up or catch up, can’t see the ball and has to make a decision: Let him catch it for the TD or interfere and take the penalty at the 1 and hope for the best.
You fans are spoiled and I don’t know how you got that way, I know you’re not watching that guy in Oakland every week. You should reconsider how you evaluate a corner.
Tracy Porter is the poop. We are damned lucky to have him. Contrast with Randall Gay. Ok then, you’re welcome.
And your long-time curse hurts
But what's worse
Is this pain in here
I can't stay in here
by stujo4 on Jan 28, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think we're very lucky to have Porter.
Never did I say we weren’t.
by saints-nation on Jan 28, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tracy Porter also got victimized all day by Bernard Berrian, and on one BIG one by Shiancoe.
You may have noticed that these two guys caught quite a few passes this year in games that the Saints did not play in. You can’t judge a corner by how many passes he allows to be caught or not. Unless he’s that guy with the unpronouncable name out in Oakland. Big difference between Fred Thomas, Jason David, Mike McKenzie, Jabari Greer, and Tracy Porter, in that order, IMNSHO.
otherwise below-average coverage day for him.
Let’s see, I’m not allowed to call you a moron. Or an idiot. How else can I reply to this? Sir, your judgment is in serious question.
And your long-time curse hurts
But what's worse
Is this pain in here
I can't stay in here
by stujo4 on Jan 28, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let me clarify
You can’t judge a corner by how many passes he allows
Well that didn’t come out right. I guess I meant that zero pass receptions allowed should be the goal for a corner, but he’ll hardly ever achieve that goal, it’s perfection. To expect him to play at that level in every game is ridiculous.
And your long-time curse hurts
But what's worse
Is this pain in here
I can't stay in here
by stujo4 on Jan 28, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're an idiot and a moron
just kidding. You’re entitled to your opinion, and I think your points are good. Tracy made some very big plays in the game. I did give him the defensive player of the game, so obviously I thought he made some plays. I’m also not going to turn an eye on the mistakes he made just because he won us the game. I think A or A+ is reserved for a flawless performance. Porter didn’t have a flawless performance. He had a few game changing/winning plays, mixed in with a few plays I thought were not so good. My grades aren’t based on being a spoiled fan, or expecting perfection, but just calling it like I see it on the field. Saying he deserves an A for making the plays that had the biggest impact on the game is a different school of thought from grading his performance on a play by play basis. I didn’t think he deserved an A. Just calling it like I see it. I don’t give a player an A when I think they made some critical mistakes. I agree with you that Porter’s big plays more than made up for it… but I don’t think it’s fair to say I’m a spoiled fan. If all of our players were getting B+ across the board, we’d be blowing people out every week.
by saints-nation on Jan 28, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can call me an idiot if you like, but Porter still gave up a lot of plays. I’m not saying let’s dump his ass and promote Gay, but I was under the impression these posts were about grading player performances. I thought his performance was below par for him, except for a few huge plays. Maybe I need better schoolin’ to keep up with a man of your insight, but in my huckleberry world, a corner who gives up several drive-sustaining third-and-long catches can’t score an A+, no matter how great his receiver is(Bernard Berrian is NOT great, BTW). The handful of game-saving plays saved a bad grade, but don’t make a perfect grade. That’s just me talking, you understand. I didn’t even bother to see what RotoWorld or PFT had to say about Porter’s play, so you can tell how “out of the loop” I am.
"I do know that we have some unfinished business that we started a few years ago and we want to finish the deal."- Dulymus McAllister
by FuSoYa on Jan 28, 2010 3:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
FuSoYa
I think you and I are on the same page here…
by saints-nation on Jan 28, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
STILL complaining
The Vikes fans are still fuming. It’s fun to watch…
by cptbags on Jan 28, 2010 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The 1st INT on Favre
the hit was definintely an illegal one and it was a bad non-call. However it’s no excuse as to why the Vikings lost that game.
by cdubs on Jan 28, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your amigos seem content with vilifying the Saints as some dirty, cheap-shot-taking bunch of hooligans who bullied their way past the clean-cut gentlemen and scholars of the Vikings franchise. Granted, they’re doing it on their site now, which is a refreshing change of pace from earlier in the week, but still, the ridiculous pussery and high-horsemanship, from my fortunate vantage point, looks like (to borrow from Belichick)“a lot of talk coming from a team that just lost another game”. But now you’ve got Mike and Mike(Florio and Pereira) on your soapbox, too, so that must make it all true. Why don’t you just plan a street fight with Brees when he comes to visit next time? We’ll play again in 2010, so, you know, there’s always next year.
I know you’re not starting anything here, but you were such a ****(feel free to fill in those blanks however you see fit) last week on this site, I don’t mind telling you how I feel about it.
"I do know that we have some unfinished business that we started a few years ago and we want to finish the deal."- Dulymus McAllister
by FuSoYa on Jan 28, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the NFL, not the NBA.
playing “dirty” is just another word for playing physical. Football is a dirty sport. Besides, I don’t care how we got in, I just care that we’re in baby!
by saints-nation on Jan 28, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
watching from the stands...
it felt like we were being completely jobbed by the officials. After watching the game later, my opinion changed of a couple of the penalties. We could have easily (and probably should have) been called for a personal foul for the low hit on Favre during the 1st pick, but IMO that was the only roughing call that was correct AND THEY DIDN’T CALL IT. The one thing you can count on in the NFL is crappy officiating. Get ready for a bucket of BS calls on Payton
"It's probably going to be nuts around here for a little bit" - Drew Brees
by SaintBevo on Jan 28, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"jobbed"? And not the good kind either!!
"Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Superbowl!!" Hear the call
by Dan Kelly on Jan 28, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Up to the end of the game
I respected and actually liked their fans. After wandering around on the DN site I see they are no different from the Cowgirls and NY teams. How is it that Saints fans are such a different breed? We piss and moan over certain calls and such but have our brothers and sisters to reign us in, reminding us that its just how it goes, it rough, etc. These guys seem to feed off each other and went from being “wow you are good fans, if it happens, go Saints” to “I hate the Saints wait until next year”. Granted I would be hurt and defensive and touchy if the roles were reversed but from experience I know I wouldn’t lose all common sense. I’m let down by the fans of the team, save for a few guys/gals that have come over here and been good people. In the end, we had people saying they would jump on our bandwagon if our time comes yet turned a 180 because they didnt like how our time came. I’m sorry you don’t like that our DC wants to play smashmouth football and I’m sorry you are all butt hurt. But not enough to regret our Saints winning and doing it by playing rough, FAIR, good football in an ugly game.
by maybetoday on Jan 28, 2010 9:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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